Did anyone notice yesterday's thread about NASA fakes has been deleted? Are those who posted in it going to be assassinated? Asking here rather than making a new thread because I'm lazy and this thread sucks.
It relies on the mountain of assumptions and has 0 way of proving it. its just a thought experiment and feelsgood for people because they can think that every risk that has a chance to intently kill them and instantly not kill them will make them survive because their clone in another universe will always take the deathblow instead of you. From your perspective you would live very lucky life, from others perspective you would die 99% of the time. Its moronic theory where mathematicians (not scientists) try to imagine philosophical stuff and then coating it in sauce of scientism. It is about as valid as ISIS soldiers getting 20 angel virgins in afterlife.
Here's a fun thought experiment:
Assume that the soul does not exist and that the universe will always be able to support life (no heat death). Assume that death can be reversed by restoring the constituent components of a persons body to the state they were in prior to death. For instance if you were incinerated to ashes and smoke you could theoretically be revived by restoring every atom etc of your body to the state it was in prior to the incineration. After someone dies there is a non-zero chance that such a reversal will occur due to sheer dumb luck. This chance is astronomically low but in a universe without heat death you have infinite time. Therefore as time approaches infinity the odds that this will happen approaches 1. Thus when someone dies in such a universe they would wake up in a reconstituted body at some point in the future. Of course this raises some interesting questions like how much of you needs to be reconstituted for your stream of consciousness to resume? Given that amnesia exists it doesn't seem like memories are required. Do you even need to be "human" to resume consciousness? What happens if you did the incinerator thing but a copy of your body was also made? How does your stream of consciousness know to resume in the original (assuming that that would even happen)?
dat shit werks in any eternal and repeating (pulsing) universe. doesn't matter what happens until the structure to support you becomes possible. looking back at us, we need some billy years to be possible.
what starts becoming weird is the idea that you don't need to even be perfectly atomically accurate. yesterday you were different from today. that implies any of those arrangements would result in that you. same is valid for any other you arrangement. even if you don't remember it, doesn't mean there isn't an elon musk equivalent of you in any universe that supports it. this is where it starts to get fuzzy for me, and my intuitions (even the crazy ones) go to shit.
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Infinite monke theorem is one helluva drug. Perhaps we've already had this conversation - infinitely many times, in fact.
here's another freaky angle. when we get to understand how the brain with its neural networks encodes shit, like identity/memories etc, and we get control over (re)building it, then we could theoretically build a elon musk equivalent of you. not him literally, just some memories tied to who you think you are. building that would be a literal you who thinks he's elon musk, some of his memories, tied with yours, just enough to really make you think you are him. you'd be him in a sense, actually.
in that sense, we could "kidnap" versions of you from those other universes, but here. with the mention that of-course nobody will give a fuck here that you think you are elon musk. we have another one here, you're basically "snatched" from your universe to here. because that's exactly how it would feel for you. weird
me
and this becomes insanely weird, the moment we can actually and practically do it, as in have full control over building someone from scratch. seems like something weird happens the moment we get this ability.
the same like something (really) weird happens whenever you will scan your brain:
the moment of scan you create a sort of seed for that you. that information can spawn other you's from that moment in time. this goes a bit into the quantum immortality bit, as it allows for a ultimate successful copy to go forwards. if every time you fail you get recreated from that seed, that seed will eventually spawn a version of you which "makes it".
but this implies that whenever you get scanned, your immediate future has a chance for any of those versions, you don't get to surely go back home after being scanned. you could quite possibly "jump" in any of those version, as far as "your consciousness"/pov goes, which becomes weird as fuck. since it increases your chances of existing, by a fuckton, but also you lose conrol over what happens next, which of the versions collapses for (You) immediately after getting scanned.
in the same sense, if we build an elon musk version of you, from fucking scratch, whenever we build you you will feel like you have been randomly snatched from your universe into this one. for all you cared you went to sleep and woke up here. supposing the whole thing was some weird experiment done in secret and you wouldn't know... and that would technically be doable, apparently.
so, where did the elon musk you come from? and does that mean that THAT can happen to you at any point from your existence, being snatched up by some scientists from another universe if they decide to build exactly you?
Intrestranding.
This got me thinking about another thing - if our world is, in fact, some sort of a product of infinite monkey theorem, then what about measurements? After all, if atoms/"basic blocks" can with a bit of luck spontaneously arrange themselves into arbitrary structures, then perhaps they can arrange themselves into a structure that "knows" the outcome of every experiment (Laplace's demon)?
This, of course, is a purely philosophical question.
dat shit werks in any eternal and repeating (pulsing) universe. doesn't matter what happens until the structure to support you becomes possible. looking back at us, we need some billy years to be possible.
what starts becoming weird is the idea that you don't need to even be perfectly atomically accurate. yesterday you were different from today. that implies any of those arrangements would result in that you. same is valid for any other you arrangement. even if you don't remember it, doesn't mean there isn't an elon musk equivalent of you in any universe that supports it. this is where it starts to get fuzzy for me, and my intuitions (even the crazy ones) go to shit.
Infinite monke theorem is one helluva drug. Perhaps we've already had this conversation - infinitely many times, in fact.
Yes. Doesn't it make a terrible amount of sense? Measurements cause information loss therefore you're going to live forever.
Did anyone notice yesterday's thread about NASA fakes has been deleted? Are those who posted in it going to be assassinated? Asking here rather than making a new thread because I'm lazy and this thread sucks.
It wasn't a bad thread till your stupid ass showed up.
Good thing quantum shitposting is also real and OP is enjoying his thread in a universe where I never replied.
It relies on the mountain of assumptions and has 0 way of proving it. its just a thought experiment and feelsgood for people because they can think that every risk that has a chance to intently kill them and instantly not kill them will make them survive because their clone in another universe will always take the deathblow instead of you. From your perspective you would live very lucky life, from others perspective you would die 99% of the time. Its moronic theory where mathematicians (not scientists) try to imagine philosophical stuff and then coating it in sauce of scientism. It is about as valid as ISIS soldiers getting 20 angel virgins in afterlife.
A mechanism for how quantum immortality could work:
No and it's a sign you probably aren't psychologically capable of accepting the implications of your own ideology.
which is the bigger fraud, quantum immortality or simulation hypothesis
tranny thread
it isn't as outlandish as it sounds. we will be able to do something similar with tech. pretty soon in a sense
Here's a fun thought experiment:
Assume that the soul does not exist and that the universe will always be able to support life (no heat death). Assume that death can be reversed by restoring the constituent components of a persons body to the state they were in prior to death. For instance if you were incinerated to ashes and smoke you could theoretically be revived by restoring every atom etc of your body to the state it was in prior to the incineration. After someone dies there is a non-zero chance that such a reversal will occur due to sheer dumb luck. This chance is astronomically low but in a universe without heat death you have infinite time. Therefore as time approaches infinity the odds that this will happen approaches 1. Thus when someone dies in such a universe they would wake up in a reconstituted body at some point in the future. Of course this raises some interesting questions like how much of you needs to be reconstituted for your stream of consciousness to resume? Given that amnesia exists it doesn't seem like memories are required. Do you even need to be "human" to resume consciousness? What happens if you did the incinerator thing but a copy of your body was also made? How does your stream of consciousness know to resume in the original (assuming that that would even happen)?
dat shit werks in any eternal and repeating (pulsing) universe. doesn't matter what happens until the structure to support you becomes possible. looking back at us, we need some billy years to be possible.
what starts becoming weird is the idea that you don't need to even be perfectly atomically accurate. yesterday you were different from today. that implies any of those arrangements would result in that you. same is valid for any other you arrangement. even if you don't remember it, doesn't mean there isn't an elon musk equivalent of you in any universe that supports it. this is where it starts to get fuzzy for me, and my intuitions (even the crazy ones) go to shit.
More crazy pls you def got a cute mind.
here's another freaky angle. when we get to understand how the brain with its neural networks encodes shit, like identity/memories etc, and we get control over (re)building it, then we could theoretically build a elon musk equivalent of you. not him literally, just some memories tied to who you think you are. building that would be a literal you who thinks he's elon musk, some of his memories, tied with yours, just enough to really make you think you are him. you'd be him in a sense, actually.
in that sense, we could "kidnap" versions of you from those other universes, but here. with the mention that of-course nobody will give a fuck here that you think you are elon musk. we have another one here, you're basically "snatched" from your universe to here. because that's exactly how it would feel for you. weird
me
and this becomes insanely weird, the moment we can actually and practically do it, as in have full control over building someone from scratch. seems like something weird happens the moment we get this ability.
the same like something (really) weird happens whenever you will scan your brain:
the moment of scan you create a sort of seed for that you. that information can spawn other you's from that moment in time. this goes a bit into the quantum immortality bit, as it allows for a ultimate successful copy to go forwards. if every time you fail you get recreated from that seed, that seed will eventually spawn a version of you which "makes it".
but this implies that whenever you get scanned, your immediate future has a chance for any of those versions, you don't get to surely go back home after being scanned. you could quite possibly "jump" in any of those version, as far as "your consciousness"/pov goes, which becomes weird as fuck. since it increases your chances of existing, by a fuckton, but also you lose conrol over what happens next, which of the versions collapses for (You) immediately after getting scanned.
in the same sense, if we build an elon musk version of you, from fucking scratch, whenever we build you you will feel like you have been randomly snatched from your universe into this one. for all you cared you went to sleep and woke up here. supposing the whole thing was some weird experiment done in secret and you wouldn't know... and that would technically be doable, apparently.
so, where did the elon musk you come from? and does that mean that THAT can happen to you at any point from your existence, being snatched up by some scientists from another universe if they decide to build exactly you?
Intrestranding.
This got me thinking about another thing - if our world is, in fact, some sort of a product of infinite monkey theorem, then what about measurements? After all, if atoms/"basic blocks" can with a bit of luck spontaneously arrange themselves into arbitrary structures, then perhaps they can arrange themselves into a structure that "knows" the outcome of every experiment (Laplace's demon)?
This, of course, is a purely philosophical question.
Infinite monke theorem is one helluva drug. Perhaps we've already had this conversation - infinitely many times, in fact.