Is it true Yamnaya and Corded Ware were descended from the same father?

Were Yamnaya and Corded Ware just brothers? descended from the same father?
Then that means Corded ware are the ones responsible for the european spread, not yamnaya

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    yes they are asiatic rapebabies

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is this how nordcucks are coping with the Southern Arc paper?

      good morning saar

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, it is a meme pushed by people who worship yamnaya for some reason despite them being completely irrelevant. The two groups were genetically very similar but had different Y-DNA haplogroups which is why there are countless descendants of late corded ware’s R1a-M417 rather than yamnaya’s R1b-Z2103 as they were indeed responsible for the spread.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >father
    They had a common paternal ancestor that lived thousands of years earlier, so not really. Also later Corded Ware had R1a haplogroup which branched off from R1b some 20,000 years ago.

    At the same time both groups were genetically very similar. We are talking about patrilocal clans of semi-pastoral groups living somewhere in East Europe. Their cultures were related and interacted with each other.
    Both probably came from Sredni Stog, but one group became mobile pastoralists and domesticated horses - Repin/Yamnaya, while another expanded to Central Europe - Corded Ware.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    if you go back far enough, sure, but that's thousands of years, and specifically to a point we don't know much about, mostly cause of lack of samples

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    corded ware and yamnaya have similar yet separate r1b clades which points to a common ancestor not direct descendant. They came from EHGs. Which had a higher rate of blonde hair, blue eyes and pale skin than that of modern Europeans. Sintasha are directly descendant of Corded ware and would be the ones who eventually spread r1, swastikas, chariots, to the farmoids of south Asia.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      isnt that a funnelbeaker?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It is. He's also wrong about EHG.

        It's probably the same guy that posts the same incorrect crap in every thread because he desperately wants the Eastern tribes to look like his le epic Nordics.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Do you think Corded Ware looked like this?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            VGH… MY ANE FATHER…

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            I really wish there was some comprehensive guide to all this, you are contradicting each other just like the shitty memes i posted.

            I look like [...]
            so im very likely not related to you southerners and have no personal stake in the matter

            whether tall brunettes raped blonde farmers or tall blondes raped brunette farmers.

            Cant i just get some comprehensive data with conclusions instead of moronic memes?

            btw i shouldve asked, does anyone know what kind of ancestor is likely for someone who looks like this, aka me? Im guessing eastern hunter gatherer is the most likely?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He is a Saami with about 15% East Asian ancestry.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            btw i shouldve asked, does anyone know what kind of ancestor is likely for someone who looks like this, aka me? Im guessing eastern hunter gatherer is the most likely?

            Lol, it is not 15%, it is 25%.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Baltic/Finnic/ANE ancestry to look like that specifically. EHG had a sharper look in their features. This guy [...] was mostly EHG

            [...]
            Lol, it is not 15%, it is 25%.

            hmmmm i doubt im saami, they were short asians, and im 2 meters tall,

            maybe i inherited some features from my grandmother on my mothers side, she looked kinda finnic, but my father is a Geat from southern sweden, so he is definitely descended from corded ware.. hmmmmm. I think im gonna purchase the ancestral whisper dna test
            https://www.ancestralwhispers.org/

            just to see, im probably a mutt

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Baltic/Finnic/ANE ancestry to look like that specifically. EHG had a sharper look in their features. This guy

            https://i.imgur.com/InXNpr1.jpg

            Were Yamnaya and Corded Ware just brothers? descended from the same father?
            Then that means Corded ware are the ones responsible for the european spread, not yamnaya

            was mostly EHG

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Is this how nordcucks are coping with the Southern Arc paper?

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There are new samples from Bronze Age Greece.

    It does seem like some Northerners came at the end of Early Helladic period.
    There's another Logkas like sample from Theopetra with 40% Yamnaya ancestry.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      G23; 2335-2140 BC; Theopetra, Greece; I2a2a-L701>Y5606>Y87044

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is so interesting, even with the few samples we have. Last year or so I would have thought most of the I2 and E there came later. Now it seems J2a/G2a/I2/E were more common in bronze age Greece and then R1 became more common in the Eastern Med after, maybe in groups like Dorians.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          There's zero E1b1b in any ancient Greek samples. Including the new ones.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Many R1b were there in the Bronze Age, no one E1b was there at this time.

            Perhaps I'm misremembering the table posted here. I remember seeing an E and an R1b in that table but could be wrong. I expected far more of R1 among Mycenaeans.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            R1b shows up in Myceneans. I'm sure there are two or three R1b samples from the Nestor Palace, but they are from later period, apparently after its collapse.
            There are also R1b classical Greeks from Himera.
            The currently published samples are very diverse when it comes to Y-DNA.

            Excluding pre-Myceneans there's J2a (most common), J2b (unpublished), G2a, R1b (different subclades, not Z2103 as others expected), T1a and even two L.
            No E1b1b yet, though.

            Most common J2, G2a, R1b.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Many R1b were there in the Bronze Age, no one E1b was there at this time.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        WHG chads

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    is that john frusciante?

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't corded ware just yamnaya that adapted to the sedentary lifestyle?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      more like a variant of yamnaya whose children became blonde when they fricked the funnelbeaker women in the eastern european forests, and those children then proceeded to continue the koryos warband tradition by taking over the rest of europe

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They even had the opposite phenotypes, neither early nor later Corded Ware can be included in the Steppe racial sphere, but they both, and the earlier even more, are included in the Old European racial sphere.

      Do you think Corded Ware looked like this?

      It is. He's also wrong about EHG.

      It's probably the same guy that posts the same incorrect crap in every thread because he desperately wants the Eastern tribes to look like his le epic Nordics.

      Corded Ware looked like the modern Mediterranean race, Yamnaya looked like the modern Alpine race.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        every other video has a different version of things, seems opinions are fluctuating wildly, Ancestral Whispers doesnt have a single Corded Ware Reconstruction.

        And the EEF, some posters claim they were blonde blue eyed and some claim they were swarthy anatolians,

        Why does this entire field of study have to be infested by identitarians? its fricking annoying to search for information about it and receiving mixed information

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >every other video
          Do not see videos, read papers or at least Wiki.
          >doesnt have a single
          It has some, but their reconstructions are not scientific exactly. Anthropologists considered they were Nord and Med races.
          >they were
          The Southern ones (Italian, Iberian, Greek, Ukrainian) were mostly swarthy with some fairs, the Northern ones (German, Baltic, Scandinavian) were mostly fairs with some swarthy. But the second ones were a minority of farmers due to climate.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            best site to read papers? i am just interested in knowing what the frick happened back in the day, dont feel like spending hours learning how to read autistic haplo-charts

            Why is there memes of both

            did this happoooon?

            and my pic, they contradict each other, fricking annoying

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >best site
            See:

            No. Farmers were more fair even than Corded Ware, Yamnaya was absolutely swarthy without one blond.
            [...]
            It's over, starter pack:
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5441797/
            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29174893/
            https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247

            >pic
            It is a I1-sissies' coping, this even dumber than the previous one.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What does I1 have to do with anything itt moron? MRCA of I1 only appeared after Indo-Europeanization it seems and no one knows where it came from. Even most modern I2 in Europe comes from the Steppe BVLLS

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            The only EEF that wee blonde in any significant number had substantial EHG/ANE admixture.

            I really wish there was some comprehensive guide to all this, you are contradicting each other just like the shitty memes i posted.

            I look like

            Do you think Corded Ware looked like this?

            so im very likely not related to you southerners and have no personal stake in the matter

            whether tall brunettes raped blonde farmers or tall blondes raped brunette farmers.

            Cant i just get some comprehensive data with conclusions instead of moronic memes?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You'll have to sift through actual research papers which contradict each other even more as the years pass by for that anon-kun. Why not just give haplotism an honest shot? It's far more fun and credible than something as shaky as population genetics.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            oh god no, i had to read research papers my uncle posted about bird flu because of reasons,
            and i was bored out of my mind within 30 minutes. Id rather just wait until some major find unravels the truth of the matter if i cant get something out of IQfy

            >one Funnelbeaker sample
            Post the source. G25 shows no EHG or SHG in them.
            >just one
            This population was the source of farmer ancestry for most Europeans.
            [...]
            >whether
            Most likely short blond farmers raped tall dark herders.

            >Most likely short blond farmers raped tall dark herders.
            now we have a real threeway discussion lmao

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >threeway
            Nope, WSH clearly were dark, no doubts about it excluding trolling. The question is about the source of Alpine (the shittiest) race: it was either WSH or EEF, but now we have more evidence to the first view.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Also by "dark" he means slightly darker than modern Europeans with brown and sometimes red hair before the bronze age.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            lol yes i know, the yamnaya were dark, not strange when you live on the steppe and your mothers are caucasus hunter gatherers.

            I am pale as a ghost with brown hair when i live in my hyperborean home above the arctic circle (uuggghhh)

            yet when i went on vacation to crete my skin turned brown like a greek and my hair changed color from dark brown to blonde. and then reverted when i went home like a chameleon.
            I wonder if that feature is something that existed for the eurasians of ancient times

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Am ginger (day walker) and my hair turns more blonde in the sun. It's proof that god loves whites tbh

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >brown and sometimes red hair
            Only dark, with sometimes Arab-tier skin tone.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, brown is dark moron

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Brown is brown, dark is dark. Are you an imbecile?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >top right map
            how come coastal moroccans have lighter features than most of iberia and italy

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            goths

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Now castizos and mestizos are breeding Anglos Americans. It’s like the world has come full circle. Regardless if a SA Hispanic man or Anglo American man breeds they still end up paternally European.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No. Farmers were more fair even than Corded Ware, Yamnaya was absolutely swarthy without one blond.
          [...]
          It's over, starter pack:
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5441797/
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29174893/
          https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247

          The only EEF that wee blonde in any significant number had substantial EHG/ANE admixture.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >pic
    Russel Brand looking good there

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Are you serious anon? Their facial hair and broad "northern" look is about all they have in common. Maybe a Nordic Russell Brand who had been eating trenbolone sammiches since birth.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yamnaya spoke PIE, Corded Ware spoke a descendent of it that could have been the anscestor of the "north western" IE languages, Germanic, Italic, Celtic atleast. not sure about Balto-Slavic. also keep in mind that the corded ware people would have been partially mixed with yamnaya and earlier groups

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    deboooonk these memes please

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      did this happoooon?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No. Farmers were more fair even than Corded Ware, Yamnaya was absolutely swarthy without one blond.

        deboooonk these memes please

        It's over, starter pack:
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5441797/
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29174893/
        https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          no conclusions in the papers you linked
          and the video linked in the op and this "deboooonks" the yamnaya being the ones who went into europe

          how are anatolian farmers fairer than steppe nomads from the black sea?

          why do these autistic memes even exist if the opposite is the reality?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >anatolian
            Not Anatolian already, Polish and German, there had passed about 4000 years. But Anatolian farmers were fairer too but it is because Yamnaya had no one blond sample.
            >why do
            Because we do not know the relationship between swarthy broad-headed Yamnaya and fair long-headed Nordic Corded Ware.

            Upper left is literally me.

            >t. short-headed short-faced Alpine

            [...]
            The only EEF that wee blonde in any significant number had substantial EHG/ANE admixture.

            Even Funnelbeakers had only WHG admixture.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Only one Funnelbeaker sample I'm aware of has had only WHG admixture with little to no SHG admixture. Most funnelbeakers had EHG from SHG on top of additional EHG admixture.

            Plus this is just one EEF population you're talking about.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >one Funnelbeaker sample
            Post the source. G25 shows no EHG or SHG in them.
            >just one
            This population was the source of farmer ancestry for most Europeans.

            [...]
            I really wish there was some comprehensive guide to all this, you are contradicting each other just like the shitty memes i posted.

            I look like [...]
            so im very likely not related to you southerners and have no personal stake in the matter

            whether tall brunettes raped blonde farmers or tall blondes raped brunette farmers.

            Cant i just get some comprehensive data with conclusions instead of moronic memes?

            >whether
            Most likely short blond farmers raped tall dark herders.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Upper left is literally me.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Were Yamnaya and Corded Ware just brothers? descended from the same father?
    Yes, both have eastern eurasian / basal australo-mongoloid Y-DNA.
    >Then that means Corded ware are the ones responsible for the european spread, not yamnaya
    This is common knowledge.

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