Were Yamnaya and Corded Ware just brothers? descended from the same father?
Then that means Corded ware are the ones responsible for the european spread, not yamnaya
Is it true Yamnaya and Corded Ware were descended from the same father?
Were Yamnaya and Corded Ware just brothers? descended from the same father?
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No, it is a meme pushed by people who worship yamnaya for some reason despite them being completely irrelevant. The two groups were genetically very similar but had different Y-DNA haplogroups which is why there are countless descendants of late corded ware’s R1a-M417 rather than yamnaya’s R1b-Z2103 as they were indeed responsible for the spread.
They had a common paternal ancestor that lived thousands of years earlier, so not really. Also later Corded Ware had R1a haplogroup which branched off from R1b some 20,000 years ago.
At the same time both groups were genetically very similar. We are talking about patrilocal clans of semi-pastoral groups living somewhere in East Europe. Their cultures were related and interacted with each other.
Both probably came from Sredni Stog, but one group became mobile pastoralists and domesticated horses - Repin/Yamnaya, while another expanded to Central Europe - Corded Ware.
if you go back far enough, sure, but that's thousands of years, and specifically to a point we don't know much about, mostly cause of lack of samples
corded ware and yamnaya have similar yet separate r1b clades which points to a common ancestor not direct descendant. They came from EHGs. Which had a higher rate of blonde hair, blue eyes and pale skin than that of modern Europeans. Sintasha are directly descendant of Corded ware and would be the ones who eventually spread r1, swastikas, chariots, to the farmoids of south Asia.
isnt that a funnelbeaker?
It is. He's also wrong about EHG.
It's probably the same guy that posts the same incorrect crap in every thread because he desperately wants the Eastern tribes to look like his le epic Nordics.
Do you think Corded Ware looked like this?
VGH… MY ANE FATHER…
btw i shouldve asked, does anyone know what kind of ancestor is likely for someone who looks like this, aka me? Im guessing eastern hunter gatherer is the most likely?
He is a Saami with about 15% East Asian ancestry.
Lol, it is not 15%, it is 25%.
hmmmm i doubt im saami, they were short asians, and im 2 meters tall,
maybe i inherited some features from my grandmother on my mothers side, she looked kinda finnic, but my father is a Geat from southern sweden, so he is definitely descended from corded ware.. hmmmmm. I think im gonna purchase the ancestral whisper dna test
just to see, im probably a mutt
Baltic/Finnic/ANE ancestry to look like that specifically. EHG had a sharper look in their features. This guy
was mostly EHG
Is this how nordcucks are coping with the Southern Arc paper?
There are new samples from Bronze Age Greece.
It does seem like some Northerners came at the end of Early Helladic period.
There's another Logkas like sample from Theopetra with 40% Yamnaya ancestry.
G23; 2335-2140 BC; Theopetra, Greece; I2a2a-L701>Y5606>Y87044
This is so interesting, even with the few samples we have. Last year or so I would have thought most of the I2 and E there came later. Now it seems J2a/G2a/I2/E were more common in bronze age Greece and then R1 became more common in the Eastern Med after, maybe in groups like Dorians.
There's zero E1b1b in any ancient Greek samples. Including the new ones.
Perhaps I'm misremembering the table posted here. I remember seeing an E and an R1b in that table but could be wrong. I expected far more of R1 among Mycenaeans.
R1b shows up in Myceneans. I'm sure there are two or three R1b samples from the Nestor Palace, but they are from later period, apparently after its collapse.
There are also R1b classical Greeks from Himera.
The currently published samples are very diverse when it comes to Y-DNA.
Excluding pre-Myceneans there's J2a (most common), J2b (unpublished), G2a, R1b (different subclades, not Z2103 as others expected), T1a and even two L.
No E1b1b yet, though.
Most common J2, G2a, R1b.
Many R1b were there in the Bronze Age, no one E1b was there at this time.
is that john frusciante?
Aren't corded ware just yamnaya that adapted to the sedentary lifestyle?
more like a variant of yamnaya whose children became blonde when they fucked the funnelbeaker women in the eastern european forests, and those children then proceeded to continue the koryos warband tradition by taking over the rest of europe
They even had the opposite phenotypes, neither early nor later Corded Ware can be included in the Steppe racial sphere, but they both, and the earlier even more, are included in the Old European racial sphere.
Corded Ware looked like the modern Mediterranean race, Yamnaya looked like the modern Alpine race.
every other video has a different version of things, seems opinions are fluctuating wildly, Ancestral Whispers doesnt have a single Corded Ware Reconstruction.
And the EEF, some posters claim they were blonde blue eyed and some claim they were swarthy anatolians,
Why does this entire field of study have to be infested by identitarians? its fucking annoying to search for information about it and receiving mixed information
>every other video
Do not see videos, read papers or at least Wiki.
>doesnt have a single
It has some, but their reconstructions are not scientific exactly. Anthropologists considered they were Nord and Med races.
The Southern ones (Italian, Iberian, Greek, Ukrainian) were mostly swarthy with some fairs, the Northern ones (German, Baltic, Scandinavian) were mostly fairs with some swarthy. But the second ones were a minority of farmers due to climate.
best site to read papers? i am just interested in knowing what the fuck happened back in the day, dont feel like spending hours learning how to read autistic haplo-charts
Why is there memes of both
and my pic, they contradict each other, fucking annoying
It is a I1-sissies' coping, this even dumber than the previous one.
What does I1 have to do with anything itt retard? MRCA of I1 only appeared after Indo-Europeanization it seems and no one knows where it came from. Even most modern I2 in Europe comes from the Steppe BVLLS
I really wish there was some comprehensive guide to all this, you are contradicting each other just like the shitty memes i posted.
I look like
so im very likely not related to you southerners and have no personal stake in the matter
whether tall brunettes raped blonde farmers or tall blondes raped brunette farmers.
Cant i just get some comprehensive data with conclusions instead of retarded memes?
You'll have to sift through actual research papers which contradict each other even more as the years pass by for that anon-kun. Why not just give haplotism an honest shot? It's far more fun and credible than something as shaky as population genetics.
oh god no, i had to read research papers my uncle posted about bird flu because of reasons,
and i was bored out of my mind within 30 minutes. Id rather just wait until some major find unravels the truth of the matter if i cant get something out of LULZ
>Most likely short blond farmers raped tall dark herders.
now we have a real threeway discussion lmao
Nope, WSH clearly were dark, no doubts about it excluding trolling. The question is about the source of Alpine (the shittiest) race: it was either WSH or EEF, but now we have more evidence to the first view.
Also by "dark" he means slightly darker than modern Europeans with brown and sometimes red hair before the bronze age.
lol yes i know, the yamnaya were dark, not strange when you live on the steppe and your mothers are caucasus hunter gatherers.
I am pale as a ghost with brown hair when i live in my hyperborean home above the arctic circle (uuggghhh)
yet when i went on vacation to crete my skin turned brown like a greek and my hair changed color from dark brown to blonde. and then reverted when i went home like a chameleon.
I wonder if that feature is something that existed for the eurasians of ancient times
Am ginger (day walker) and my hair turns more blonde in the sun. It's proof that god loves whites tbh
>brown and sometimes red hair
Only dark, with sometimes Arab-tier skin tone.
Yes, brown is dark retard
Brown is brown, dark is dark. Are you an imbecile?
>top right map
how come coastal moroccans have lighter features than most of iberia and italy
Now castizos and mestizos are breeding Anglos Americans. It’s like the world has come full circle. Regardless if a SA Hispanic man or Anglo American man breeds they still end up paternally European.
The only EEF that wee blonde in any significant number had substantial EHG/ANE admixture.
Russel Brand looking good there
Are you serious anon? Their facial hair and broad "northern" look is about all they have in common. Maybe a Nordic Russell Brand who had been eating trenbolone sammiches since birth.
Yamnaya spoke PIE, Corded Ware spoke a descendent of it that could have been the anscestor of the "north western" IE languages, Germanic, Italic, Celtic atleast. not sure about Balto-Slavic. also keep in mind that the corded ware people would have been partially mixed with yamnaya and earlier groups
deboooonk these memes please
did this happoooon?
No. Farmers were more fair even than Corded Ware, Yamnaya was absolutely swarthy without one blond.
It's over, starter pack:
no conclusions in the papers you linked
and the video linked in the op and this "deboooonks" the yamnaya being the ones who went into europe
how are anatolian farmers fairer than steppe nomads from the black sea?
why do these autistic memes even exist if the opposite is the reality?
Not Anatolian already, Polish and German, there had passed about 4000 years. But Anatolian farmers were fairer too but it is because Yamnaya had no one blond sample.
Because we do not know the relationship between swarthy broad-headed Yamnaya and fair long-headed Nordic Corded Ware.
>t. short-headed short-faced Alpine
Even Funnelbeakers had only WHG admixture.
Only one Funnelbeaker sample I'm aware of has had only WHG admixture with little to no SHG admixture. Most funnelbeakers had EHG from SHG on top of additional EHG admixture.
Plus this is just one EEF population you're talking about.
>one Funnelbeaker sample
Post the source. G25 shows no EHG or SHG in them.
This population was the source of farmer ancestry for most Europeans.
Most likely short blond farmers raped tall dark herders.
Upper left is literally me.
>Were Yamnaya and Corded Ware just brothers? descended from the same father?
Yes, both have eastern eurasian / basal australo-mongoloid Y-DNA.
>Then that means Corded ware are the ones responsible for the european spread, not yamnaya
This is common knowledge.