Is it true that some people never gain self-awareness?

Is it true that some people never gain self-awareness?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Being aware that you are unaware is the first step to becomining aware.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I still find it unbelievable that some people don't

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        hearing your voice is for losers, it limits your thinking speed to the speed of your voice. If you think of concepts it¡s much easier because you just have to recall them instead of recallind the words, forming the sentences and sounding them in your head

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but it's hard to tell who, it can be easy to think someone is an npc from the outside, usually though if you sit down and talk to someone for 10 minutes you can get a decent idea

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      PCs have it harders, because they spend more time in morbid self-reflection, as well as daydreaming. NPCs unironically do more in the world, and live better lives.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So the NPCs are the real PCs and the PCs are actually NPCs

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          no, NPCs are like bots that perform the same repetitive action over whereas PCs hate "grinding" and tend to get distracted because they actually have souls

          it is a virtue to work hard, but if you're working hard for CEO Bergsteinwitz you are NPC

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Cope as much as you want but living a better life and doing more with the small amount of time you've got here seems more like playing the game than daydreaming and morbid self-reflection.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Life isnt really about success, its about attaining wisdom and teaching it to the next generation. So working hard is good, but if you dont pass anything on you have wasted your whole life for creature comforts

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Giga cope

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            enjoy your life consuming goyslop with your furbabies while I take risks and chances for something more then, I don't really believe you have no soul, but you certainly act like you don't have one

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You're acting like you're something special. I don't believe you are.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Whose going to succeed if all a generation does is pass the baton to the next?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            People who succeed in life have much more wisdom than those who just sit there navel gazing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            There are different degrees of self-awareness.
            IQfy is full of moronic normies who think that "internal monologue" means anything; it doesn't.
            Self-awareness has more to do with sensual perceptions and the rate at which you process data.

            ADHD is not a virtue. Low pain tolerance, low stress resilience is not a virtue either.
            IQfycels are largely failed normies who attempt to twist this into "I am le super special misunderstood genius snowflake wahhhh".

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That seems extremely unlikely to me. Wouldn't p-zombie brains have noticeably different structures?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Even PCs spend most of the day in a state not using internal monogluge, lets say 50% of the day you use, 50% of the time you don't. The only difference is that NPCs use it 0% of the time, which is kind of weird for an PC to fathom, yet we ourselves aren't constantly using internal monologue and can see how it can be more of a drag than anything else at certain points.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Seems like a meme. I don't see any logical connection between people imagining apples and being self-aware. If you go to sleep do you stop being a conscious sapient being?

        I talk to myself all the time in my head

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >If you go to sleep do you stop being a conscious sapient being?
          You become unconscious for that moment. Or maybe sub-conscious.
          >I talk to myself all the time in my head
          then you are a PC

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Self awareness is not necessarily tied to the internal monologue.
        I usually use internal monologue only with the first two or three words of each sentence in my thoughts. Consciously finishing all these sentences helps me think more systematically, but it certainly doesn't make me more self aware.
        This whole obsession with internal monologues is just the 4chin take on "90% of people fail this test!" and other similar bullshit.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I am intellectually and morally superior due to having internal monologue, without which independent thought is impossible because...
        One of the worst contemporary "my side good your side bad" memes, way too easy to see through.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All people are kind of self aware. However I consider some people to be animals (to be hiperbolic) regardless because they kind of behave like heard animals more than I do a lot more.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    some seem to develop it later than others at least. African children for instance reportedly take up to 7 years before they can recognize themselves in a mirror, compared to the normal age of a bit over a year. i wouldn't be surprised if some people never gained it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >frican children for instance reportedly take up to 7 years before they can recognize themselves in a mirror,
      so what do they think the figure in the mirror is?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        someone else, presumably. just like other animals without self-awareness do.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Do they notice that the mirrior is 2d, doesn't talk back, and mimics their motions?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            they just stood there and stared at it.
            >The aim of the research was to document evidence of early MSR across cultures, using a shorter
            and simplified version of the mark test. We found significant cultural variations across the seven
            cultures. The first experiment shows that only 2 out of 82 18- to 72-month-old Kenyan children
            manifested self-oriented behaviors toward the mark, most of them freezing while staring at their
            specular image. This result is in sharp contrast with the multiple studies reporting that by 20 months
            of age, 60% to 85% of Western middle-class children pass the mark test (Amsterdam, 1972;
            Bertenthal & Fisher, 1978; Lewis & Brooks-Gunn, 1979).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Even my dogs figure out that the animal on the tv isnt real after they look behind the tv a few times. Are dogs smarter than black kids?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        i once seen a dog attacking the figure at mirror and bumping its head into it like
        >BOINK!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >le African children mirror meme
      This has never been proven, at least afaik. The study i see most people post to prove this explicitly states the African children don't "fail" in the sense that western children fail the test (laugh, treat their reflection as another person, etc.), and that it's likely a product of their culture that shuns children acting without the guidance of a parent or other authority figure

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        of course they had to come up with a cope, but it's been replicated in vanuatan children and they controlled for such factors to determine it was indeed a lack of self-recognition ability (though they also gave a possible parental cause for their delay)
        >Consistent with previous cross-cultural research, ni-Vanuatu toddlers passed the MSR test at significantly lower rates (7%) compared to their Canadian counterparts (68%). Among a suite of social interactive variables, only mothers’ imitation of their toddlers’ behavior during a free play session predicted MSR in the entire sample and maternal imitation partially mediated the effects of culture on MSR. In addition, low passing rates among ni-Vanuatu toddlers could not be attributed to reasons unrelated to self-development (i.e., motivation to show mark-directed behavior, understanding mirror-correspondence, representational thinking). This suggests that differences in MSR passing rates reflect true differences in self-recognition, and that parental imitation may have an important role in shaping the construction of visual self-knowledge in toddlers
        regardless it shows that it's not as much of a given as we may think

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe people with literally 50 IQ

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    http://www.jaronlanier.com/zombie.html

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I find the distinction between self-awareness and the lack of it odd, because it's simply an extremely personal term used to describe the experience of living. It's simply not something that can be actually be estimated because the result purely relies on the perpective of the person measuring it. For real though, some people just prefer filling their heads with thoughts about whatever is the "current thing" and gets them farthest in casual conversation over actual self-reflection. Self-reflection can give people a bad feeling about themselves and isn't immediatly if ever rewarded, which is why people often choose to not do it.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    That's ableist.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      > fake smiles, broken speech, poor reaction time, staring off randomly, doing things without thinking, depression
      That's just autism. We have a situation where autist think normies are the npcs, and normies think autist are the npcs.

      where do you draw the line between autism and depression

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Depression is a symptom of autism.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        One may appear as the other. Being depressed while autistic turbocharges the symptoms of both.
        t. sperg

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There's just varying depths of introspection and meta-cognition, nobody has ever become truly self aware.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Not that that's even possible.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >nobody has ever become truly self aware.
      what about da buddha?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        thats budai not buddha

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    > fake smiles, broken speech, poor reaction time, staring off randomly, doing things without thinking, depression
    That's just autism. We have a situation where autist think normies are the npcs, and normies think autist are the npcs.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    a person cannot find himself both inside or outside the action at the same time.
    why monks are so slow and all their movements are simple but with intention.
    self awareness is a constant recenter.
    humans water like mind is ment to drift.
    to resist against this
    and build something in place.
    you must remain centered.
    know who you are
    know what you are doing
    know why you are doing it.
    but once you do it.
    you must commit.
    and provide for any contingencies if you can.
    awareness of environment still has its isues with misintrpretation.
    and people develop centertain types of awarenesses about themselves or others
    how these line up with or shape reality may vary.

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