Is it ever explained why old testament God is seemingly way more cruel than new testament God?

Is it ever explained why old testament God is seemingly way more cruel than new testament God? Did Jesus change him or something?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How?
    All Jesus talks about is hellfire

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Lord forgive the guys who brutally tortured me
      >Meanwhile OT God summoning bears to maul kids because they called a guy bald

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Kids
        """Youths""", if you know what I mean.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Men those times were brutal and didn't understand any language other than pure brutality

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you think this has changed you're under a spell.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The God of the old testament is the tribal God of the israelites, the God of the new testament is the platonic One

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      if the god of the old testament is a brutal war god then explain to me why it "imposed"/created the sabbath and the ten commandments

      a brutal war god would be all about the left hand path, not about mercy and caring about who are dispossessed

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It seems to me that the God of the old testament is seen as a king, in the way kings were, or at least were expected to be, at that time period. He required obedience and absolute loyalty, He enacted justice and created laws and punished those that broke them harshly, He cared for his people, protected them and ensured they lived a prosperous life as long as they obeyed Him and were loyal, and finally, He destroyed the enemies of His people, annihilating them violently.
        Doesn't that sound like a bronze age king to you?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          romans just took taxes without giving anything back, thats the history of humanity and empires.

          kings who do nothing and demand everything.

          god gave you the earth and all its resources, he makes fruit grow and water fall down from the sky, he gave you the sun to keep this place running "forever"

          do you see the difference?, why are you still bowing down to humans and their governments, why are you still being part of the usury that is the economic system, why are you still allowing israelites to control the world through the banking system without saying a thing?

          its easier to blame "god"

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What the fuck are you talking about? Take your damn meds

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >comes to /his
              >cant even comprehend what he reads nor post anything insightful related to the topic of the thread
              >hurrr take ur meds
              great post

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                ???????? Your reply was just schizo rambling barely related to what I wrote

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                god has strict laws but you cant expect an "un-initiated"/non baptized person to really understand what god is

                let me put it this way: if you knew god then your heart wouldnt be made of stone... so why punish people if the root of the problem is other?

                punishment should come after theyve been baptized

                this parable was added later but it perfectly represents the case:

                2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.

                But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

                9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

                11“No one, sir,” she said.

                “Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

                It seems to me that the God of the old testament is seen as a king, in the way kings were, or at least were expected to be, at that time period. He required obedience and absolute loyalty, He enacted justice and created laws and punished those that broke them harshly, He cared for his people, protected them and ensured they lived a prosperous life as long as they obeyed Him and were loyal, and finally, He destroyed the enemies of His people, annihilating them violently.
                Doesn't that sound like a bronze age king to you?

                seems to me like your reply had nothing to do with MY post and was rather you jerking off saying "HEH, im so intelligent... god was a bronze age king, take that" and now you dont know what to reply so you just go the "hurr meds" route

                look at you, you keep replying instead of saying ANYTHING of worth to this thread, you only crave (you)

                wow, you got someone to reply to you on an anonymous imageboard

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Literally take your fucking meds. My post is very related to the topic of the thread, your post is rambling about "kings who do nothing and demand everything.", which had nothing to do with what I posted since I said God was supposed to be the ideal king, then you go full schizoid about israelites and banking which have absolutely nothing to do with my post or the topic of the thread. You're the one farming (you)'s here.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >rambling about "kings who do nothing and demand everything.", which had nothing to do with what I posted

                >It seems to me that the God of the old testament is seen as a king, in the way kings were
                can a king make a tree grow?, can a king make it rain?, can a king cause storms?, can a king submit you if you dont allow yourself to be submitted?

                youre a retard and youre clearly playing dumb or are just really stupid.

                >He required obedience and absolute loyalty, He enacted justice and created laws and punished those that broke them harshly
                got doesnt require shit from you, he made everything

                why would he ask anything from you?

                life is not about what god can do for you but rather what you can do for god.

                he was never seen as a king for he is more than a king, equaling him to a king would be like equaling him to a human.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No reading comprehension? Yes he was a God, so he had powers, but he also fulfilled the role of a king as I explained.
                >why would he ask anything from you?
                Literally the entire old testament is filled with God demanding exclusive worship, sacrifice and obedience.
                >he was never seen as a king for he is more than a king, equaling him to a king would be like equaling him to a human.
                In early judaism God was very akin to a human and a king, much like his pagan equivalents, only later on he became more disembodied and all-powerful.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >source:

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously? Look at any serious historian on judaism, fuck, just do a google search on it
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Judaism

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                i already cited psalms

                you realize that theyre older than your "judaism"?

                im using scripture, youre using wikipedia. theres no point in replying to you.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, what use is there for serious scholarship? We should believe everything the bible says

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah, what use is there for serious scholarship?
                you have no knowledge of the topic itself, how would you know what is right or wrong?.

                >trust the scholars, that way you dont have to read the source material nor investigate yourself 🙂
                yikes, this is the level of LULZ

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you think that isaiah was literally listening to "god" when he said

                >7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

                lol, what a retard.

                he is making a continuation of what moses tried to introduce into their culture. whats the principle of the sabbath?, whats the principle of deutoronomy 23?

                >Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest.

                why did he create those things?, what was the motivation behind that?. emulating god.

                this conversation is way beyond you and your tone makes me not want to tell you anything, if someone else comes up with a good question ill reply

                You are making no sense. Judaism originated from canaanite polytheism, with time their beliefs changed, God became a disembodied, all powerful, all seeing, eternal being who created and maintained the world instead of just a super powerful human-like being. The bible is a collection of centuries old texts and even older oral traditions, so what you see is a mix of things and the attempt to retcon old practices and beliefs so it all makes sense as a whole.

                Any schizo can 'investigate' and come up with a bunch of idiotic conclusions, I'm not saying we should blindly trust scholars, but they have much more credibility than a random LULZ schizo who keeps talking cryptic nonsense.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You are making no sense.
                >source:

                >God became
                >source:

                great post

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You are a fucking retard. I'm done talking to you. Literally read anything on biblical textual criticism.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >noooo you have to read my academia approved non hebrew biblical textual criticism... doesnt matter if they dont really understand what the text is about, you just have to read it okay
                uh oh, youre making a fool of yourself again sweaty

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally the entire old testament is filled with God demanding exclusive worship, sacrifice and obedience.
                PSALMS 50
                A psalm of Asaph.
                1The Mighty One, God, the Lord,
                speaks and summons the earth
                from the rising of the sun to where it sets.
                2From Zion, perfect in beauty,
                God shines forth.
                3Our God comes
                and will not be silent;
                a fire devours before him,
                and around him a tempest rages.
                4He summons the heavens above,
                and the earth, that he may judge his people:
                5“Gather to me this consecrated people,
                who made a covenant with me by sacrifice.”
                6And the heavens proclaim his righteousness,
                for he is a God of justice.
                7“Listen, my people, and I will speak;
                I will testify against you, Israel:
                I am God, your God.
                8I bring no charges against you concerning your sacrifices
                or concerning your burnt offerings, which are ever before me.
                9I have no need of a bull from your stall
                or of goats from your pens,
                10for every animal of the forest is mine,
                and the cattle on a thousand hills.
                11I know every bird in the mountains,
                and the insects in the fields are mine.

                12If I were hungry I would not tell you,
                for the world is mine, and all that is in it.
                13Do I eat the flesh of bulls
                or drink the blood of goats?

                14“Sacrifice thank offerings to God,
                fulfill your vows to the Most High,
                15and call on me in the day of trouble;
                I will deliver you, and you will honor me.”
                16But to the wicked person, God says:
                “What right have you to recite my laws
                or take my covenant on your lips?
                17You hate my instruction
                and cast my words behind you.
                18When you see a thief, you join with him;
                you throw in your lot with adulterers.
                19You use your mouth for evil
                and harness your tongue to deceit.
                20You sit and testify against your brother
                and slander your own mother’s son.
                21When you did these things and I kept silent,
                you thought I was exactly like you.
                But I now arraign you
                and set my accusations before you.

                now shut the fuck up.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What is that supposed to prove? That israelites retcon the old stuff as their beliefs change? We already know that

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you think that isaiah was literally listening to "god" when he said

                >7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

                lol, what a retard.

                he is making a continuation of what moses tried to introduce into their culture. whats the principle of the sabbath?, whats the principle of deutoronomy 23?

                >Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest.

                why did he create those things?, what was the motivation behind that?. emulating god.

                this conversation is way beyond you and your tone makes me not want to tell you anything, if someone else comes up with a good question ill reply

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    god has strict laws but you cant expect an "un-initiated"/non baptized person to really understand what god is

    let me put it this way: if you knew god then your heart wouldnt be made of stone... so why punish people if the root of the problem is other?

    punishment should come after theyve been baptized

    this parable was added later but it perfectly represents the case:

    2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.

    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

    11“No one, sir,” she said.

    “Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because you have been gaslit into thinking religion is about morality. When you come across some story in the Bible your first thought should be "what pattern of reality is being revealed here?" rather than "what does this tell me about how I should live?" I'm not saying that the Bible has nothing to do with morality, but morality is something that's downstream. First and foremost the Bible is about revealing the nature of reality.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where can I read more about this?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Someone has already posted a Jonathan Pageau video in this thread. He's someone who's trying to revive the way ancient people viewed the world and how they would have read Christianity. He really is your best entry point here.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_dJUCl1OiU
        >Kids
        """Youths""", if you know what I mean.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      pic related

      It's the nature of reality, praise Yahweh!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        me likes when jesus killed everybody with his flood except a handful of israelites

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mt 19:8 = The actions of God in the old testament are concessions made to a wicked population.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      thats a bad interpretation, you havent really read the old testament and are just repeating whatever you heard. for example:

      Ezekiel was said to be already active as a prophet while in the Land of Israel, and he retained this gift when he was exiled with Jehoiachin and the nobles of the country to Babylon.[16] Josephus claims that Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia's armies exiled three thousand israelites from Judah,[17] after deposing King Jehoiachin in 598 BCE.
      Rava states in the Babylonian Talmud that although Ezekiel describes the appearance of the throne of God (merkabah), this is not because he had seen more than the prophet Isaiah, but rather because the latter was more accustomed to such visions; for the relation of the two prophets is that of a courtier to a peasant, the latter of whom would always describe a royal court more floridly than the former, to whom such things would be familiar.[18] Ezekiel, like all the other prophets, has beheld only a blurred reflection of the divine majesty, just as a poor mirror reflects objects only imperfectly.[19]

      According to the midrash Canticles Rabbah, it was Ezekiel whom the three pious men, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah (also called Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the Bible) asked for advice as to whether they should resist Nebuchadnezzar's command and choose death by fire rather than worship his idol. At first God revealed to the prophet that they could not hope for a miraculous rescue; whereupon the prophet was greatly grieved, since these three men constituted the "remnant of Judah". But after they had left the house of the prophet, fully determined to sacrifice their lives to God, Ezekiel received this revelation: "Thou dost believe indeed that I will abandon them. That shall not happen; but do thou let them carry out their intention according to their pious dictates, and tell them nothing".[20]

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        lmao so god can lie now?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          if thats what you think the text says then go along with that, i have no intention of educating someone so stupid. my post is not for you, you can see it but you cant understand it. just like you can see the sun but you cant touch it, knowledge and logic are something out of your reach.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stricter policy was necessary to protect the bloodline that the messiah would come from, as well as needing to uphold the covenant with the Hebrew people. After the Messiah came, there was not such a need for actual physical protection. The promise of the Messiah was fulfilled. The Hebrews did become a great and mighty nation. The promises were carried out, and that was that. After that, it was time for some rest, until the appointed time to return, which is obviously, glaringly close.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christ advocates for the exact opposite punishment as proscribed in the Old Testament. Back then the punishment for adultery was death but Jesus, as with so many other things, changes it.
    >And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
    Again, Christ openly contradicts the instructions seen in the Old Testament. First there were many unclean foods, and now there are none.
    >And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time.
    The answer to this riddle isn't for most to know, but it's not as obscure as you might think and, despite the confusion of the Gnostics and other groups, it doesn't lead to a heretical place; though they were on to something.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe because we changed

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    God is slowly revealing his nature from the beginning, man is getting to know him, with Jesus being the full revelation of truth. Relative to human culture at the time of antiquity, in regards to the old testament, God is beyond civil. This is an era of absolute savagery, with ruthlessness being commonplace, where practices such as infanticide are rampant. God is ironing out order among barbarians, slowly reeling them into the life of the spirit. We were just to slow as a species to catch up. When Christ comes, God deems our understanding worthy of evolution and so we witness the the true and full nature of divine love.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I should add from the beginning writers are intrepreted via the spirit, it is only when Christ arrives that they have full unequivocal clarity onwhat God is like, becuase he reveals it himself, beforehand much is lost in "spiritual translation" which is fine, God knew we were slow.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Did Jesus change him or something?
    Gospel of John states no one has ever seen God. John was Jesus's student. Perhaps Jesus really was on a mission to right the ship that gets rocked by tribalism and cruelty preventing human advancement.

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