think about it, if you make an exact clone of someone, they may be the same, but is it the same consciousness?
is consciousness the only thing you can't replicate?
think about it, if you make an exact clone of someone, they may be the same, but is it the same consciousness?
define consciousness
That's exactly right, and this is where I began too. I had an epiphany one day that experience is the only thing that can never be faked.
If you're in a fake reality (a hologram, or simulation, or whatever) and say you see an apple on a table. The "apple" is fake, but the experience is exactly as real as if you were seeing a "real" apple.
Because we skipped a step here... And all scientists skip this same step. We didn't actually "observe an apple". We "observed experience of color, vision, touch, that all seem like an apple" and from that we INFERRED there was an apple.
If you skip over the 1st step then you lose the axiom of consciousness. And that's why science has lost it. And it's why they can't find it again because it's an axiom, and not derivable from anything it itself defines.
And think about it this way: What else do you need to fully emulate reality other than consciousness? If all you had was consciousness alone, then you could create a reality 100% identical to this one.
Not only that, but if you think about it consciousness alone creates the largest space of observable realities there can ever be. No other system can ever be larger. Because consciousness is observation itself.
Anything else places limits upon observable realities, and why would reality be limited?
The definition is that it's an axiom. Specifically, the axiom from which EVERY bit of your knowledge of "matter" came from.
"Matter", is in fact a theory to try and explain the axiom of consciousness. But it ultimately fails to do so, because consciousness is the ground of knowledge. Matter is a derived concept from consciousness.
I think the nature of illusions and unintuitive processes and mechanisms prove the third paragraph false. You can create an infinite near lawless perception with just consciousness like a lucid dream state, but reality does things that you don’t expect it to do which your dreams can’t do, they might be illogical and incoherent or inconsistent but they’re not perfectly logical in an unintuitive way
The material world being so particular and weird means we are actually discovering some real information rather than dreaming it into existence
>You can create an infinite near lawless perception with just consciousness
And you can also create any level of lawfullness you like. Why are you assuming you can't?
I mean, we do it when we make virtual worlds. Video games. Holograms. Why can't reality do something we ourselves do?
It's the same math in the end.
If your reality is such that Equation1 calculates the position of some "material object" and then Equation2 calculations your perception of that object, what difference does it make if the object actually exists or not?
I see no reason to assume consciousness alone must be lawless just because that's what dreams are like. Dreams could just be goverend by different rules.
Interesting point
I don't even know if you're conscious anymore than chatGPT is, technically. From my point of view you're just words on a screen. And same goes for every other anon reading my words.
Is someone awaiting congratulating for finally beginning to feel the way I did at the age of 15? Saying a single word would be unnecessary if one truly was that confident, attention seeking is quite the enticing bitch though innit twat cunt
a body in motion with the potential for self reference
consciousness begets thinking(confusion) begets awareness, all are individually indivisible.
Behind the illusions of mind that "seperate". There is but one consciousness. A unified, infinite non linear field of living awareness.
Awareness is the source of consciousness, life and "phenomena".
It cannot be divided or "cloned" as such concepts or actions are secondary to its preminant nature.
There for a clone would technically have the same consciousness inherently. Hiwever from the moment if creation would have different mind and experuence since it would be technically a new entity.
Consider twins.
consciousness is a function
to achieve the function you need a working body and an operational mind.
copy the body
you'll get a blank slate, it can be retaught but will not be identical to the source
copy the mind
you'll get a virtual intelligence, identical to the source up to the point of the snapshot but develop differently due to changes of the platform
copy body and mind
you'll get a second entity, identical to the source up to the point of the snapshot
This aint no rocket surgery, no need to overcomplicate things
https://existentialcomics.com/comic/1
Consciousness occurs as a result of soul and mind connecting across dimension or planes.
Mind exist here, soul exist there. Soul rules over mind, there. Mind rules over soul, here. To the point that often the mind rules the soul and it is occluded from our feelings and sensation in favor of a purely materialistic view.
Soul, spirit yadda yadda. It's still a binary system of mind and soul. Mind 'wants' you to only believe and obey it. You are absolutely the immortal, ethereal soul, and you are tied to this flesh.
>You are absolutely the immortal, ethereal soul
can you support this claim with some sort of undeniable evidence?
this modern facade of immersionists lore is so unappealing. the soul is the gestalt harmony of all physical elements that animate the static to motion (consciousness - a body in motion with the potential for self reference). spirit is the light of the world without Directly transmuted (no analogues fuck the cave) to the light within that is your indivisible and eternal self.
If we consider what you are saying as true, and we also take the idea of "as above, so below" and apply it to the spiritual realm (where the soul resides) and the physical realm (where the mind resides), we should see more effects of the soul on our physical reality, shouldn't we? As you say, the soul is supreme in the spiritual realm, and so it should do as it pleases there as the mind does here, in the physical realm. And if the mind can influence the soul and therefore the spiritual realm, so can the soul influence the physical realm. So where are these effects? Has the mind perhaps deluded itself into not seeing them?
Its possible that consciousness as we know it exists in a higher plane or dimension that we cannot observe but it is linked to and communicated by through our brains via quantum physics brain wave frequency and quarks. Our brains are pretty much the closest thing to magic that exists in the universe. I have a rough idea that the earth's magnetic fields are involved as well. The schuman frequency. Which falls under your theta brainwaves. All humans are connected.