Why are Iron Man's Villains complete dogshit? He's been around for decades and his villains don't have any iconic stories. Not even the MCU could breathe new life into his rogues gallery.
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Why are Iron Man's Villains complete dogshit? He's been around for decades and his villains don't have any iconic stories. Not even the MCU could breathe new life into his rogues gallery.
Well there's Demon In a Bottle and errmm, uhh, Armor Wars!
Ah shit, he's back.
Is this a Tommy thread
Why, are these threads always about Iron Man? Why can't we talk about other hero's villains? Like wonder woman or daredevil?
There were a few about Spider-Man villains, but they were even dumber than these.
Because Stark's villains suck but he's better than WW and DD. I don't even know who Diana's rogues are, at least Matt has Bullseye and Kingpin.
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Let's talk about Ant-Man's villains
No this is an Iron Man thread, go make your own Ant fag thread.
Whirlwind, Crosshair, Egghead, Ultron, and Jane's lawyers.
Egghead has been dead for 35+ years, man.
So bring him back or make a new one.
Nah, let him rest. He had a good send off.
Egghead came back at least five years ago, during the same Ant-Man comic that introduced the gay Indian version of Giant-Man. It was during the time early rumors for the Ant-Man sequel had Egghead and Whirlwind as the villains.
>gay Indian version of Giant-Man
Oh wow
*Janet's lawyers
Forgot mental illness.
There's also the most secret foe. The Orkin Man
For Pym is himself and for Scott is alimony kek
Wonder Woman and Daredevil have shit villains too, what's your point? I'd argue most heroes have largely bad villains with the exceptions of Spider-Man and Flash who have probably the most consistently good and/or entertaining ones top to bottom. Even Batman is pretty top heavy with the quality dropping off pretty badly. The Legion is the only other thing I'd say has consistently good villains but that's a team and not a solo hero.
Isn't kingpin. A daredevil villain?
Yes, but sometimes DD shares him with Spider-Man.
And Punisher.
Are you a retard? Why do you think?
Lol, wtf is Kamen Rider doing there?
Idk if you're joking, but that's Beetle.
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> Beats the shit out of Ironman.
Based Eletric Human Warrior of Justice, Stronger!
Hey get that power rangers autism outta here
So how would you guys go about revamping Stark's rogues or adding new one's?
Because Iron Man is a character who really only works as part of an ensemble and isn't strong enough to carry things on his own.
He got his own comic that did it's best ever sales figures during a period where he hadn't been a part of The Avengers since the 16th issue.
What comic was that?
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That was almost a decade ago.
Name me 20 must read Iron Man solo stories that aren't Demon in a Bottle, Armor Wars or Extremis. Name 15 of his rogues--ones that are largely exclusive to him--and explain why they're not actually shit.
I don't think anyone really has a clue how to properly write him in a way that's actually consistently interesting.
Three must reads alone is reason enough to make a character great. Most don't even have one.
And how are Stark's sales doing now?
>and his villains don't have any iconic stories
Iron Man Haunted is god tier & makes the Mandarin sympathetic like Mcu Thanos.
Well MCU Thanos was absolute SHIT, so
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You just haven't read any!
Hammer was one of Stark's only good villains and he's dead now.
Good one, anon. I also enjoy Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, and Titanium Man. Whiplash can be fun too.
Honestly Tony is now a technological demigod and his villains never updated their powers to keep up with him.
Because Stark's villains are outdated. They're all just commies or businessmen in armor.
Stark just needs better writing to revitalize his villains.
>Muh muh writing!1!1!!11!1!1!
No Stark is just a shit character. He's been around for decades and he still doesn't have stories on par with Spider-Man's or Batman's. His rogues compliment him because they're dogshit too.
>Inb4 the MCU
Oh Mr. Quipster? Yeah, no.
>outdated
>revitalize
Yellow Peril and Red Scare are back in the menu, they never needed updating.
What?
He means the Chinese and Communism. The American rogue's gallery
Oh.
No, they're outdated. It's time for Stark to get new rogues or revamp his current ones.
It's hard to do that when Marvel is constantly making Tony his own worst enemy.
No? Communism is still trying to be a problem, and China, North Korea and Russia are back at trying to start shit. Old is new again, baby.
They tried to reinvent in the movies and it was all shit.
I don't want to see Iron Man fighting Communist again, when he did that his stories were shit back then and they'll be shit now. We already have Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man, we don't need Chinese Iron Man or North Korean Iron Man.
They didn't try hard enough in the movies because Marvel is lazy.
No, if they were lazy enough they'd just adapt older stories an the MCU wouldn't suck as bad as it did for many years now. Look at how they tried to reinvent the wheel in Iron man 3.
IM 3 was dogshit because they tried revamping the Extremis Story, adding in Hartley and fucking over A.I.M. Not to mention Tony turned into a quipster and magically got over his PTSD.
The PTSD was overplayed because it didn't improve the story, it's not a thing the character had in the comics. They twisted Mandarin and then RE-TWISTED him and turned AIM into an unremarkable enemy, when you'd expect an epic showdown with his most famous villain to try to peak the trilogy. I never even much cared for Extremis.
Well let's see, we have
>Le bald businessman In a suit
>Old businessman
>Old Businessman's daughter
>Businessman's daughter, who's crazier than her mother
>Red soviet commie in a suit
>Green Soviet commie in a suit
>Corporate saboteur with gadgets
>Corporate sabotuer with powers
>Le Laser man
>BDSM man
>Communist Unicorn man
>Chinese man with magical rings
>Remote Controller
>Businessman's evil son with a vendetta
>The Super powered Godfather
>Super powered Godfather's daughter, with a mask
>Giant alien Dragon
>Alien Robot
>Le shitty Mr. Freeze
>Le bug man
>Le bee nerds
>Le giant head
>Le radical fire communist
>Le military armor man
>Le man who can melt metals
His rogues fucking suck.
And Flash has
>Flash but Evil
>Flash but Evil 2
>Flash but Death
>Le guy with Cold gun
>Le guy with Hot gun
>Le guy with Magic Wand
>Le guy with Mirrors
>Le guy with Boomerang
>Le guy with Flute
>Guy that spins
>HARAMBE but Evil
You can make anything sound stupid describing them like that
Who said that Flash has a good rogues gallery?
Ok, how about Batman's?
>short gangster
>Clown gangster
>Guy with al capone puppet
>Autistic guy with a puzzle obesstion
>Plant lady
>Clown girl
The only ones worth a damn are Bane, Mr. Freeze, Riddler, Hugo Strange, Ra's, Ivy, Clayface and Killer Croc. Everyone else sucks. I'm tired of the mobsters and I'm sick of Joker. I hope Joker, permanently dies one day.
Oh and Scarecrow's good too.
You're missing another 2 evil flashes.
Godspeed and Savitar, 4 if you count Jay's evil flash or Inertia because of Bart's time as the flash.
I think the point is more "Iron Man's villains are other businessmen and communism". Even describing the Flash's rogues gallery like that is shows that their convention comic book villains.
>I think the point is more "Iron Man's villains are other businessmen and communism"
And why it that a problem? Ironman is not the Flash or Batman or Spider-man. There is no real standard on what type of villains all heroes should be facing.
Iron Man's rogues need a little more diversity in them. I don't want to read about him constantly fighting Businessman or Communist. Commies haven't been relevant for years. He should be fighting evil geniuses, scientist, robots, rogue governments and dictators.
>Commies haven't been relevant for years
China. Now that I think about, it's kinda strange there isn't a Chinese Iron Man villain who isn't just a cheap Chinese rip-off.
Just what we need, more knock off Iron Men as if we don't have the Russian versions and a whole arc dedicated to that idea.
Why would China’s communism be something Iron would have to fight? Trade wars? Doesn’t sound very good fit for a superhero.
You can't imagine that Some Chinese company and by proxy the CCP wouldn't want to steal Stark blueprints?
You realize we're in a real life tech race/war, right?
We're currently in the perfect set up for spy stories.
We already had that it was called Armor Wars and the Iron Monger Saga.
Punisher- War Machine showed that even no name eastern european nations in the middle of a civil war have acess to ironman armor, The chinese must have their own ironman suits for decades.
>Some Chinese company
So it's just another greedy capitalist company stealing IPs
>and by proxy the CCP
How would it be by proxy CCP specifically? Why would it benefit them to want to steal Stark's plans? China is way past the point where they just copy others, they have a very booming tech industry. You just want to recycle old story ideas and replace Russia with China without really any good justification for it.
Russia already did that with Titanium Man and Crimson Dynamo.
The only way you could do a good story about US vs China tech race is about how China is doing its own thing and excelling while US is frankly failing to keep up, instead of trying to revive outdated "US #1, damn commies trying to steal our secrets" storylines.
Well it would require Iron Man writers do something besides TONY IS A FUTURIST, SEE HE BUILDS A BIGGER ARMOR AND GOES TO SPACE.
Marvel really should have revamped Firebrand when a villain like that would be more relevant.
>HARAMBE but Evil
lol'd
Nit picking homosexual.
Butt hurt Iron homosexual.
Iron Man needs a science fiction writer.
No, he needs a spy thriller writer. Most of the silver age/Bronze Age Iron Man are about Commie spies and corporate espionage. Classic Iron Man is James Bond in a 50s B-movie.
I don't want a James Bond Iron Man, I want a Iron Man that deals with evil scientist, robots, cyborgs, and high science concepts. Iron Man has a lot of potential, to reduce him to James Bond in a suit of armor is pretty limiting.
I, don't see why he can't do both?
He can still battle Super-spies, and mad scientists at the same time.
Yeah, he can do both.
Bump.
Superior Iron Man is pretty good.
SSI is overrated. It's like making Superman evil.
Don't start with that shit.
Agreed, I'm tired of Stark being portrayed as a villain. When are we going to get a heroic Stark, that changes the world through his technology and being Iron Man!
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>When are we going to get a heroic Stark, that changes the world through his technology and being Iron Man!
Never due to status quo. Shit like this will be forgotten.
>Who said that Flash has a good rogues gallery?
Everyone but you
His rogues are also shit.
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>YOU! Comics sales are down the shitter and we need a fresh, new villainous face for Iron-man to fight next issue. Shoot!
He could fight an evil genius that builds powerful Robots! Think Dr. Wily but in Marvel!
"the developers" robots capable of quickly clearing large swathes of land
tony needs to find out who's behind them before they level the city.
A group of technophobes that want to destroy all of technology, because their afraid of humanity becoming obsolete.
A giant dog-like creature that eats money and metal
Rust Man
Tax Man
World Economic Forum Uses Twitter and Reddit in a Cancel Tony Stark Campaign Man
Real Life Physics Man
>iconic stories
Shut up you stupid casual. You can count the number of big 2 characters who have "muh iconic stories" in one hand. Iron Man's villains are fine, his book has just sucked for most of the last 20-25 years and nobody wants to use his villains anymore.
Butthurt homosexual Iron Man's rogues are complete dogshit.
Like always, it’s an issue of writers not being interested in developing villains to fit Tony beyond “he’s hired to rob Stark industries”,or whatever. Blizzard is an ice villain, how hard is it to make him appealing? Ice gimmick is very solid power set even against Iron Man.
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Because Tony has evolved beyond villains like Blizzard. He is really a step down for him like Superman spending a whole issue stopping a purse snatcher.
Yep mandanrin died to punisher in 2018. Spawn had better villains than this. Wonder Woman had cheetah,ares,and circe
How the fuck did Mandarin get killed by Punisher of all people!
I'm guessing Marvel just treated him as a "problematic" embarrassment they wanted to get rid of, Iron Man's own book hasn't even used him since Fraction's run tried to reinvent him as Kim Jong-Il.
Well he got used in the mcu
The MCU is hot garbage. It went to shit after the first Avengers movie.
>dissing on Ant-Man
ANTS in your pANTS
>Talking about Ant fag
Leave. This is an Iron fag thread.
Tony's villain's are desperately in need of an upgrade or de-power Stark.
If the Flash can fight Captain Cold it shouldn’t be s problem to make Blizzard a competent villain against Iron Man. If he can’t do it alone, just do team ups with Melter or whatever.
Because Iron Man works better as a villain. He's basically Marvel's Lex Luthor.
Nah that is doctor doom and Norman Osborn iron man is batman
Osborn is Luthor if he had The joker has a split personality.
>Osborn is Luthor
DIE, BENDIS, DIE
Well that's the stale taste of legacy comics, keeping yourself to a designated timeline allows for appreciation of characters. Unicorn, Melter, Mandarin are heavy hitters in those stories, feels authentic, telling yourself these characters have an ending (by the way, my Marvel timeline ends around the Fantastic four wedding, good enough for me!)
The MCU has been afraid to use his villains since forever. They changed Stane, it was still ok because who'd think there could be multiple Iron Man movies, and Justin Hammer was ok-ish, that's it.
>I never actually read any of the 70s-early 90s run: The Post
Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, Controller, Mandarin in Enter The Mandarin, Dragon Seed, 95-100, Fraction’s run, and Revenge of the Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo III (I wouldn’t count Anton as a villain), Guardsman 1 and 2 (who were brothers and had a connected arc), Living Laser, and Madame Masque are all good on the top of my head if you actually read the stories.
I forgot Ghost and Spymaster.
You can do that with literally any rogues gallery, genius.
>le evil businessman in Goblin suit
>le mad scientist nut tentacles
>old man with feathers
>guy who likes hunting
>guy in fishbowl helmet
>Spider-Man but le bad
>guy with electricity power
>le Goblin but now orange
Stark's rogues are still trash. Peter has better villains than him but he has the best rogues gallery out of all the marvel characters.
>Make point about shitty argument
>B-but they’re still shit!
Good job.
Alright. Convince me that how Stark's rogues aren't complete trash and I'll admit I'm wrong.
You forgot:
>the human vibrator
>killer flamenco dancer
>guy in a monkey suit
>guy in a bear suit
>guy in a rhino suit
>guy in a scorpion suit
>guy in a kangaroo suit
>really hot guy
>flatheaded mob boss
>sandy guy
>wet guy
Stane and Hammer are dead. Controller is MIA, Mandarin is dead. LL and Masque are MIA. I've already read the stories and they're ok at best. There's nothing iconic about Stark constantly fighting businessmen and a Chinese caricature. LL and Masque are interesting but no one's done anything with them.
It’s weird, I don’t remember you ever referenced that the villains had to be current. No modern writer has actually used them in forever because they never read any runs, that’s a cheap goalpost.
There's nothing iconic about Iron Man fighting businessmen in power armors. LL has no iconic stories and neither does MM.
>He's been around for decades
He wasn't relevant until the latest two