Indians went to Australia around 2000 BC


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Why does nobody talk about this?

Like I understand this sounds unbelievable at first glance, but the genetic evidence is damning. There was a significant pulse of (south) Indian genes into Australian abbos 4000 years ago, which left the Australians with up to 11% Indian ancestry.

Another correlation is the introduction of the dingo dog into Australia. Fossil evidence (coincidentally?) puts the earliest Dingo fossils at around 3800 years ago.

>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/genomes-show-indians-influx-to-australia-4000-years-ago/#:~:text=Some%20aboriginal%20Australians%20can%20trace,from%20India%2C%20a%20study%20suggests.

>https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/902319

Scientific papers:
>https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.12219

>https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1211927110

This last paper here ^ has all the genetic data if you guys want to look for yourselves.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    But his told me they was primitive...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can walk or sail on logs from india to australia walali. (The route takes you to indonesia (islands where fused back then), to then papua. and finally to australia which was also the same landmass as australia back then. Tasmania was also a fused landmass.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        As papua*

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >islands where fused back then
        source? This was supposed to have happened around 2200 BC or so. At this point, most of Eurasia was in the bronze age and the Indus Valley Civilization had already declined due to climate change and drought. This also corresponds with the South Indian megalithic/iron age cultures that popped up

        >Tasmania was connected to mainland Australia by a land bridge for thousands of years. This allowed the Aboriginal peoples who lived in these regions to travel back and forth. About 12,000 years ago, sea levels rose and separated Tasmania from the Australian mainland.
        Tasmania was connected way before this happened. I think your chronology is off bro

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    At best, it's interesting that Indians might be responsible for spreading blonde hair into Australia but it's not some major history-altering event, is it?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >spreading blonde hair into Australia
      There is no blonde hair in australia, only melanesia. And the gene for blondism in melanesians is totally different from the one in Eurasians

      That being said, its history altering in some ways because the authors seem to believe that Indians introduced the Dingo, some tools, and maybe pottery. But this contact must have only been with the north western abbos and nobody else

      The 19th century abbos are dravidian theory vindicated yet again.
      Also that one guys 3 waves of migration into australian thoery has some more substantial evidence maybe?

      >The 19th century abbos are dravidian theory vindicated yet again.
      Doesn't that theory claim that Dravidians/AASI are brothers with abbos? If anything these recent genetic papers suggest insanely large genetic distances between south Indians and australians.
      My question is this: How the FUCK did Harappa/ASI Indians manage to sail so far? Sure, the Indus Valley Civilization had sailing technology and routinely made it to the Levant for trading without much trouble

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My chronology was wrong. Anyway.

        >My question is this: How the FUCK did Harappa/ASI Indians manage to sail so far? Sure, the Indus Valley Civilization had sailing technology and routinely made it to the Levant for trading without much trouble
        Who says they sailed directly there? For all we know they could have immigrated through insulindia and then got wiped out by the austronesians but to be fair we might find some traces of them in the people of timor then. Have any studies been made regarding that?

        >islands where fused back then
        source? This was supposed to have happened around 2200 BC or so. At this point, most of Eurasia was in the bronze age and the Indus Valley Civilization had already declined due to climate change and drought. This also corresponds with the South Indian megalithic/iron age cultures that popped up

        >Tasmania was connected to mainland Australia by a land bridge for thousands of years. This allowed the Aboriginal peoples who lived in these regions to travel back and forth. About 12,000 years ago, sea levels rose and separated Tasmania from the Australian mainland.
        Tasmania was connected way before this happened. I think your chronology is off bro

        My chronology was very off. I vstly overestimated who close we are to the last glaciation.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Or maybe we can jump off the timorese middle man and just say they sailed from souther Java into australia although idk if their ships could make such a jump, I'm not an expert.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Or maybe we can jump off the timorese middle man and just say they sailed from souther Java into australia although idk if their ships could make such a jump, I'm not an expert.

          >For all we know they could have immigrated through insulindia
          possibly. I could believe that they made a lot of stops at the island. However, they didn't interact or mix with those people much.

          So if they stopped in Timor for a bit, that would make sense but we have no evidence yet. And the genetic evidence suggests they didn't mix with Timorese.

          >then got wiped out by the austronesians but to be fair we might find some traces of them in the people of timor then. Have any studies been made regarding that?
          Not sure.
          All I know is, they didn't find any Austronesian/Negrito admixture in the Australian abbos, only Indian admixture. In other words, the Indians who made it to Australia were basically just Indians and not mixed with anyone else. Which is surprising to me.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            strange.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >inb4 indians and australian abbos are literally the same, thats why the genetics show up like that

    1. The paper specifically says that the gene flow was unidirectional
    2. AASI and Australians separated 40kya according to genetic evidence
    3. Papuans/Negritos who lived much closer to Australia didn't contribute any gene flow, since their genetic signatures are totally absent from the samples. This means the Indians who made it to australia went directly from India to Australia without mixing with any Sundaland people

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Old and shitty study. It was probably some Negritos that contributed to both South Indians and Australian Aboriginals.

      I don't buy it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > It was probably some Negritos that contributed to both South Indians and Australian Aboriginals.
        The study explicitly refutes this statement. just read it. They looked at Negrito genes and ran DNA assays to see if they contributed to Indians or Australians. Believe it or not, negritos and australians and Indians are not genetically related, as all 3 separated from each other many thousands of years ago and never contacted each other until (apparently) 2200 BC

        The question isn't whether this happened, but how and why.

        >outdated
        It's from 2013 lol what the fuck do you want

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's an old study. They also claim that dingo are closely related to Indian dogs, which is also not true. Dingos are most closely related to Guinea singing dogs.

          Yeah, for genetics 2013 is outdated.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's bullshit then?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I dunno, see:

              Aboriginal PCA.

              Some of them are obviously mixed with some Eastern source. CAI and WPA are from North Australia and even ancient sample from Cairns (CAI) seem to be mixed.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Austronesians?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 19th century abbos are dravidian theory vindicated yet again.
    Also that one guys 3 waves of migration into australian thoery has some more substantial evidence maybe?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    australia to become a superpower by 2030

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aboriginal PCA.

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