Improving Appalachia without Destroying It
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>mom I posted it again
What do you want to attempt to destroy in Appalachia?
I specifically said the opposite of that.
I hate naggers.
Stop planting ching chong trees.
stop planting pines they change the soil acidity which makes it impossible for native plants to grow and those native plants feed and shelter the native animals so they're fucking the whole ecosystem by clear cutting the hard wood and replanting pine.
I hate conifers!
Old growth appalachian forest tends to have patches of pine and then the rest are mixes of ash, maple, oak, poplar, hickory, etc.
The largest native Appalachian tree (the American chestnut) has already largely been driven to extinction by the Chinese blight. Most people have never had an American chestnut, and they were prized as the best chestnuts globally.
That change alone already majorly devastated the ecology as it wiped out a major food source for turkeys and many other animals. It also fucked over appalachian homesteaders, who became dependent on corn and grain for hog feed after the chestnut was wiped out. One single mature American chestnut tree could sustain a homestead with its productivity.
We called it “Christmas in July” the way the chestnuts would bloom white along the ridges in July (the chestnut preferred the ridge tops and peaks).
Man that pic could've been taken less than a mile from me. It's sad to see what's happened. Walking through the woods around here is like rediscovering an ancient civilization. It's as if everyone vanished 100 years ago and it's been sinking into the ground ever since.
>rediscovering an ancient civilization. It's as if everyone vanished 100 years ago and it's been sinking into the ground ever since.
Tartaria is actually in Appalachia.
Dude I found an old fucking barn that was made out of solid unhewn logs a foot and a half or more in diameter. Two stories high. There aren't even any trees that size nearby. Easily 150 years old and still in terrific shape. No sign of rot whatsoever.
It really makes me believe some part of Appalachian history is being intentionally obscured. Everyone seems to have mass amnesia. Maybe a punishment from the almighty?
near Cumberland Gap.
>Maybe a punishment from the almighty?
The spirit of the land. The mountain speaker.
In southern VA there's fields worth of old tobacco houses that have been lost to time. People keep moving in and tearing them down. Near me there's a river that has an old dilapidated mill and wheel. Landowner is a good guy ain't doing anything to it.
What happened to Appalachia is it was designed and populated by a culture not fit for today's economy. It worked fantastic in the late and early 1800s and 1900s respectively. Well enough at least.
I just want to decompose in peace, away from the rest of this God forsaken world.
But I think you could restore it to a modernized version of what it was in the late 1800s and early 1900s without of course raping the land for timber and coal as much.
Only problem is the rest of the country. People are going to move it just happens. They move from the place their parents shit up and shit up some beautiful rural country. Then their kids leave cause it's shit, bring the same shit ideals as their parents and grandparents, and shit up some other fine country. The only thing helping Appalachia is its total backwater vibe. I like it this way. I like it shitty like this. Because it keeps people out. I want to retain what we have and die with it. So what if we're poor and uneducated. Fuck this country. I ain't never needed anything outside the county I'm in. I don't need much either but what I do need I don't need from nobody outside.
Everytime someone makes some development, some city slicker urban planner comes in, etc, they always destroy everything. They ruin generations of communities. Children turn into homosexuals.
Not trying to come off as a dick but I don't want nothing nobody's selling. Cause everything we've been sold before has been bullshit.
Cars were devastating to the area. Everyone just drove away and never came back.
I wanna see Hensley's Settlement without having to pay the forest service, get them to unlock the gate and drive me up, but I also don't want to have to hike 8 miles and climb 2000 vertical feet to get there either 🙁
Come on anon, you can do it. It'll be worth it. I've made the climb up the mountain and so can you.
Chestnut tree wood. They are mostly gone now, used to be all over.
Chestnut trees were essential the giant sequoias of the east. The lumber was perfect and takes nearly forever to breakdown. It is obvious why they were killed by israelites bring blight in from China then into Brooklyn.
Near Cumberland? Dude... The falls, the gap... I want to go back.
>Between 1904 and 1940, some 3.5 billion American chestnut trees, the giants of the Appalachian hardwood forest, succumbed to a fungal blight called Cryphonectria parasitica
Appalachia was full of giant chestnut trees, the wild hog population fed exclusively on chestnuts making the tastes amazing and far superior to Iberian pig
they clear cut the forests regardless of the type of tree
Wrong. There’s a reason appalachia is actually still forested.
Of course some of it has to do with the fact that it was settled by Scottish refugees from the British Land Acts. These Acts destroyed the forests so utterly that the capercaillie (European turkey) went extinct in Britain… along with everything else except for sheep and deer.
In any case, at least a substantial number of the pioneers knew about how corruption destroys people’s ways of life. The forests, mountains and glens are more critical to the survival of our ancestors than the empty planes.
The chestnut tree wasn’t just prized for its girth, but for the rot-resistant properties of its wood. Those old cabins made from chestnut aren’t going to rot anytime soon. The loss of the chestnut really destroyed a lot of Appalachia in a way that it hasn’t recovered from.
So much so that I almost wonder if the Chinese blight wasn’t some kind of conspiracy.
Luckily there’re still pawpaws and sassafras. The fed bans sassafras, but it’s healthy and the fed has always been illegitimate.
What? Almost every inch was clear cut between 1880-1920. Much of it has been logged regularly since then. Some parts of Appalachia literally have not recovered and remain bald, called balds, sods, or turned into fens.
Almost every old growth forest in the upper south was destroyed by yank carpetbaggers
>hurrdurr we won the war
>now we are going to destroy all of God’s creation! That’ll teach you for thinking we were wrong!
You got it right that clear cutting was especially a post-war problem. But it affected Virginia, WV, and Kentucky the most. It did start to taper as they got into NC and Tennessee. NC still one of the oldest old growth forests in the world. If you know you know. We don’t broadcast it too much because trash will want to come destroy it.
anyone who wanted money from their land harvested timber
no, almost all of it was clear cut
you can tell
Appalachia is a big place some areas were clear cut others were selectively harvested leaving trees like black walnut alone
>The fed bans sassafras, but it’s healthy and the fed has always been illegitimate.
they took us to WV as a kid and they made us Sassafras tea and had us chew the sweet root that we found in the wild.
only the fresh root from a sapling are safe to consume, old dried root from old trees are hard on the ol' liver
its still bullshit that they made it illegal to even research
i mean sure you could go through a lot of effort to make it into MDA but its not worth it
jesus, I didn't realize how big they were. Why the fuck can't we make GMO chestnut trees? What the fuck?
yea you only need to fell one tree to build a few houses and barns
The people that built that barn were run out for defying the israelite. The ones that remained moved into cities and let extended family drift apart.
Go to the local library and look for the historical land ownership docs, alot of those families went south towards the Mississippi delta and cotton farming or got in on the land grabs on the plains.
what county are you in?
Get out we don't want or need you. Every paved road is a road I don't want. I swear to christ everytime I see some out of stater move in somewhere near me and start cutting shit. Leave it. Leave in general. Don't bother with us we got it.
I'm gonna move in even harder now. I'll bring my cousins and we'll sing our songs all night long, your daughters will want to spend time with us and eventually your grandchildren will have Hispanic names.
Idk but it's the most beautiful place in the world. Truly wonderous, hundreds of miles of dense Forrest, largely unexplored in some parts. Best vibes around
It only makes sense that one day it will be gone. Population growing like crazy
OP, quit posting this same goddamn thread and go get eaten by cave chuds. Immediately.
it doesn't need to be improved. its a place for White people that love nature and life.
100% you don't even pronounce Appalachia correctly.
It's appa-lay-sha as someone who lives, has an east tennessee broque accent that is literally the only way it's pronounced. It's like calling Louisville anything other than lou-a-vull. It's fucking wrong.
Are a fellow LouAnon?
Negative fren I am a TNanon
app-pull-(a as in ate) shuh
Kind of fucking accent is that?
I dunno that's how I always pronounce it in my head.
seems like a country accent to me
I wish you and your people all the best, Appalachanon. I promise to never bother you and never vote for a federal politician that will, for what little that is worth to you.
its pronounced "go the fuck back where you came from"
The easiest way to improve nature is to leave it alone and bar it to humans
to late for that
its over run with invasive boar, kudzu and foreign beetles
aren't goats the cure for invasive vines?
Also saw a LOT of invasive vines that were taking down power lines in some places on my last drive through some hollers.
great now we'll have invasive goats
i'm pretty sure most of the brambles aren't native either but im cool with them
Are goats really that invasive? I saw SO many chickens last time I was visiting, and some, but not nearly as many goats and sheep. They didn't seem to be everywhere.
Morning glory heavenly blue grows fast. Hard to get it established in colder climates.
Every rural and Appalachian area i've been to is filled with White people, but they are usually obese and depressed. Why the fuck are they like this?
>t. NE Ohiofag
because no one has come to fix Appalachia yet but that is changing!
why do they always blame the politicians and never the corporations that actually stole all their money?
>and never the corporations that actually stole all their money?
Who do you think signed off on selling the land, you stupid little nagger?
Hint: It was politicians.
I mean not really it was large landowners who sold it to lumber companies and railroads and mining interests. But of course you NEVER blame the aristocracy or corporate interests, only government, because you are brainwashed and that's how the companies who rape appalachia want you to feel so they can keep getting away with it.
They (or, we) are a conquered people and have been for decades. It'll take generations to make things right and it'll only happen by the grace of God.
god isn't real
Because you live near Thompson county that is filled with nothing but menonites, carnies, and farm people.
We're depressed because for nearly 140 years they have been desperately trying to destroy our culture and heritage to the point that all there is is alcohol, food, and tobacco left. No one wants you here to fix anything because every single time you've tried to you've merely made it worse.
Maybe there's a new way to fix it that won't make it worse.
There is, stay the fuck out.
no, that actually helps
I can only speak as a WV anon, but the few reasons are can offer you are
-They're taking our coal. It has been the lifeblood and livelihood of our people for generations. We aren't educated, we know that. So we do what we know, used it for prosperity, and that is being villainized.
-Our families have left. We are, or used to be, a deeply traditional people. We rely on each other and a high trust society for our comfort and prosperity. Our children have been pushed out of state to pursue jobs and education that should in theory offer them a better quality of life. It offers them more money, sure. But their quality of life is dubious at best. Meanwhile ours decline because our children, and our future, is being ushered away and the ones that stay are being peddled drugs or peddling said drugs.
-A lack of God. Again, we are a traditional people and used to be a reverent people. Our churches are crumbling as the old guard dies off. It's that same old guard that is to blame for not training up a newer generation to replace them. They change their messaging and yield in their faith to appeal to a group of young people that made up their mind long ago to abandon this place at the first oppurtunity. Covid showed as that most churches are eager to close shop at first chance instead of banding together as a community and bolstering the family unit with faith and love.
We are a people ravaged by poverty and apathy. Our children are being lured away by globohomo and empty promises. We're turning our back on God and our way of life.
We're a good people, we're just tired. It's been a long road and we can finally see the end. Most of us have chosen to keep driving, hoping to see what we've lost over the horizon.
>everyone is out to get us we did nothing wrong
If you read all of that and that's all you took away from it, that's fine.
I'm glad you're one of the ones globohomo has on its hook, because you're not welcome in my lake.
I mean yeah, it's just you blaming everyone else and having no ideas other than just "stop oppressing me!"
Anon asked a question and I offered an answer in an attempt to further the conversation.
So far all you've offered is a bad attitude and a questionable interest in goats.
it doesn't matter what I say, you view anything as a threat, you are totally brainwashed into supporting the point of view corporations and conservatives want you to have, that is that some conspiracy of liberalism is what is keeping you down and there's no way out so you should just accept your overlords
anyone who starts rambling about globohomo plots is not capable of a rational discussion
homosexual jannies, missed another one
they ass raped the deserts out in Arizona. Too many LULZ fags and their toys!
are the stories true about ayy lmao activity in those mountains?
dont invite a norb invasion
SW VA is the best part of Appalachia. I don't live in it but I'm like 10 mins away. If you want to get to the mountains, come to SW VA as long as you are white and not poor.
my whole point is that appalachia should be a local/regional travel destination specifically for low to middle income families and folks
all the steep +5,000ft mountains are in west Carolina , it gives a different feel the the rolling hills
>only numbers matter
difference in terrain, climate
you get to far north and you lose some of that sub-tropical rain forest feel in the summers and that crisp mountain peek in the winter and it all turns into the grey north
I wouldn't have a problem with it if it wasn't for the hard drugs. Fucking meth and opiates are the devil incarnate. They lead good people to terrible lives. Alcohol too in some cases.
Paid wendigo tours
Cave goblins, the Smokies have goddamn cave goblins.
Clear out the people.
America has plenty of natural beauty and interesting wildlife. The problem is the people.
Get rid of the people. Leave behind the Amish, a few other groups like some fanatical Catholics.
Allow these groups to restart civilization from small farming communities. In a few centuries Appalachia will be repopulated.
It's a forest
You improve it by removing all manmade trails and structures
no, exactly the opposite
non of those trail are man made they are all animal trails that people also started using because the underbrush is to thick its the only way to get through
reminder during the civil war more soldiers died from the terrain (mostly thorny brambles)
i was just on a trail the other day that was clearly man-made
the switchbacks were in terrible shape, covered in leaves, branches, muddy, and at some points I had to sit and slide down them not to fall off a steep hill.
You are definitely right about some trails, but many are not that. Especially the ones to access fire towers (and there are many of those).
Among the best trails, I’ve found, are bear trails though. They go to the best berry patches and nice tucked away streams. And they maintain them through the blackberries and bramble whilst the manmade trails get overgrown.
The fire trails ruin the nature too much and I don’t prefer to camp around them. I have before though, in southern Virginia, because Virginia just has more of that sad, developed shit than better places.
Of course the worst is when there’s a fucking highway disrupting it, like in Alabama, going the Cheaha to the AT.
w-wanna show me where the best berry patches are?
Why do you keep making this thread Mr. Rabbistein?
Looks comfy. Wooden furniture in the woods deteriorate very fast. Here they don't even try to maintain them just rebuild every 5 years.
I prefer those plastic composite benches. They are comfier to sit on.
>microplastics in the clean mountain source waters
Begone israelite filth. It’s not hard to make wood furniture that lasts outdoors. Burn the parts that make contact with soil, smoke the rest, and linseed it.
If you care enough to sit your fat worthless yankee ass down then you’d care enough to give it a coating of oil every now and then. Certain hardwoods are better than others.
I just mean the plastic ones hurt my butt less to sit on. Also some of the benches on that trail that were not broken were hilariously almost falling off the side of a cliff and I would not sit on. It's just sad to see stuff abandoned and not loved. I think more people would flock to see it if it were in better shape and it wouldn't take much to re-cut switchbacks, build better signage, re-build benches, and put in new fire towers that are easy for visitors to climb where the old ones once stood (or still do but are too damaged to climb).
Why not just blow the top off of every mountain to see what's inside?