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>our tank is best
Moran's, it's an artillery war, tanks don't mean shit.
And good luck selling leopards after the world sees how shit they are.lmao
> You say Germoney's crap sucks so you must be Krautphobic
German tanks are garbage just like everything else Germany has developed since the end of WW2. The arms industry is just a nepotistic money racketeering scheme to siphon taxpayer money into elite financier pockets, and they have to develop some crappy overpriced toy to have something to show for the money. The worst sector affected by this is avionics.
At least Russians and the USA know how to build shit that's made for war.
if that's true why did the Panzerhaubitze 2000 turn out to be the best mobile artillery currently in service
Because it’s not true and Russians lie 24/7
> 1 Pzh 2000
> 17 million a pop
> will buy you 11 units of 2S19
Again, expensive, modern toys, even if the Pzh beats the Paladin as an exception, any howitzer is useless if all your other stuff can't support it decently. Btw the M1299 is highly likely superior to the Pzh2000
That's not a Leopard though thats a CV90
Yeah, as cute as it is, it's just a battle taxi.
The Bofors autocannon does have buckshot rounds meant for fighting helicopters, they could be used for clearing the sky of drones. A mechanized punt gun.
Let's see your tanks, mick.
Tanks are obsolete nagger, it's like wearing knights armour against rifles
i dont think ive heard a single reputable person claim these tanks are invincible and somehow going to win the war
>not a single reputable person
Maybe not, however lots of less-than-reputable people have
>i dont think ive heard a single reputable person claim these tanks are invincible and somehow going to win the war
They're constantly been shilled on here, in the media, by neocon vermin like Lindsey Gayham, etc. But the idea isn't to have Ukraine win, by to kill as many goyim as possible.
look at the main pic of the current /uhg/ containment thread. It's the Bayraktar shit all over again.
You're part of the problem if you don't have uhg and chug in your filters list
All one has to do to disable an Abrams is fly a suicide down, preferably top down into the BIG ASS ENGINE. Pretty sure bright astronomy lasers can FUCK the optics all the way up too
Time for another potato famine. You fags aren't even in NATO
No one wants your trash overpriced cars. and now no one will want your Scheiss panzers kek
the cars really do suck. BMW drove themselves off a cliff with those maintenance requirements + subscriptions (and their fucking hood latches wtf?)
A cannon on wheels will probably never be truly obsolete. Its all in the amount and how they are used. Admittedly I don't know how they are best used. Breakthroughs, I am told, but that seems unlikely in this sort of war. A tank breakthrough would be met by massive air support, I assume.
> A tank breakthrough would be met by massive air support
Artillery, mines/IED's, obstacles and Top down suicide drones aimed at the engines/hatches/optics. The tanks probably won't make a difference and all that shit is getting reverse engineered the second the Russians find one stuck in the mud
So why did multiple countries already purchase and use our tanks?
What tanks did Ireland build?
>Globlomo slaves suddenly buying their shit between each other
Boi even pooland decided to replace shitty leopards with some korean crap
>globohomo slaves
Ah yeah, better to be isolationist and suffer brain drain and have shitty everything like you.
Your retarded buzzwords don’t make something automatically bad you know
they did purchase your stuff, but not anymore. Poland is shifting towards Abrams and K2s and soon enough all the countries that have donated their Leopards will more than likely switch to Abrams given the back-channel talk between said countries and the US. Moreover, even the Leopards that you did sell haven't really made their way to their buyers (see Hungary, who still hasn't received their 40+ Leopards) because Rheinmetall is literally struggling to build them. Your entire MIC is in freefall, you're so cucked that your gov spent 8 billion on a fleet of f-35s.
Your tanks were already shown up by untrained Isis with IEDs lad. Imagine what a proper army will do
Ireland has no military industry
>ISIS
>untrained
>IED
Untrained people don’t build IEDs. How many Leopards were blown up? How did the Russian tanks of the Iraqi army fare against ISIS?
Where is ISIS now?
>20.000 threads about tanks being useless
Kek, so they’re gonna be very effective
>it has a ramp
oh no no no
they sent soviet tanks first, westoid tanks come as cover only
*in offensive
Giving this stuff to Ukraine is like handing a laser rifle to a child soldier. Might be able to fire it once before getting it stuck just in time for an artillery shell to melt the crew inside.
>it's an artillery war, tanks don't mean shit.
On the contrary, tanks are the most resilient to artillery fragmentation
Still, the supertank myth is probably going to take a big blow. Tanks attrite, because it's their job to go into the line of fire. That's why they're given all that armor and that big gun
>On the contrary, tanks are the most resilient to artillery fragmentation
Not direct hits, modern shells can be laser or radar guilded, tiny drones can lase the tank.
>Moran's, it's an artillery war, tanks don't mean shit.
yeah that is why we already send Panzerhaubitze 2000 at its time one of the best of the world and perfect for fighting russkies
cope more, ivan from venezia oblast
>venezia oblast
do they not teach you flags in ukraine?
it'll easy be 100+ leo's at the end of january. and then they'll really start to ramp these numbers up
>and then they'll really start to ramp these numbers up
lmao how? Disregard the rest of the meme European countries that literally do not have any arms industry left whatsoever apart from small arms munitions and artillery shells, but even Germany and France are struggling to replenish their own stocks. How on earth could they restart their arms production to the point where they could build more than a couple of dozen of tanks a month? Seriously, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, especially now considering that the US is actively trying to sabotage both the French and the German MIC.
>In the artillery field their annual production capacity of Rheinmetall was slightly over 100,000 pieces a year, the Expal addition bringing this figure to over 350,00, more than trebling the potential output.
100.000 pieces a year? That's how much the russians and the hohols fire each week, for fuck's sake.
>Guys it looks like the vest streak is going to end. Someone needs to send me 10 leopard tanks before this stream ends or we're going to break the vest streak. I need it guys, I have bills due tomorrow.
ebegging 101
Correct.
Everyone knows Tanks are on their way out, especially vs future "serious" adverseries like China etc, that very serious about guided artillery, drones, A.I. etc
So we might as well "use them" throwing them at Russia.
If anything, this might be the last chance for all of that equipment to be used for something.
Tanks are "on their way out" for more than a hundred years now
True. I actually know they still have their uses, insofar they have a nice infrantry screen around them and are used as essentially "Plz remove this building there" fire support rather than running ahead like a retard.
I am just inverting the argument that "if" they really think they are on their way out, then we literally Have to use them All right now. Else would be a waste.
the /k/ucks, migrant redditors and nafo shills blew their loads earlier than usual
the problem is they have invested so much energy into their belief that this western wunderwaffe will turn the tide of war that when their inevitable kursk happens and their panzers are burning in the fields the tears will be legendary
I fucking hate this shit NONE of us think it's a good tank it's a fine tank for killing sand naggers every single US flag I've seen has said they aren't that great. You fags are just prepping to spam the one or two tank kill wembs you'll get it's infuriating I know every fucking one of you slav bastards are going to to rant nonstop
>lol wonderwaffe destroyed weak hato weak hato are you demoralized yet?!?!
I'll tell you right now I don't care I don't expect much from them, Ukraine will still exist that was my cope at the start of the war and it is my cope now.
Please enlighten us with your military qualification
>Moran's
youngfags need to leave. the age limit for pol should be 21.
The Leo 2's have hull ammo storage with was surprising to me. I figured it would all be stored in the turret under blow out panels like the Abrams.