I'm using an AI to see if it can help with speeding up the research process and it keeps saying that the turtle ship had iron on the hull but whe...

I'm using an AI to see if it can help with speeding up the research process and it keeps saying that the turtle ship had iron on the hull but whenever I look up pictures of it there's no iron on the hull, only on the top, what's right here?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There are multiple iterations of the turtle ship and none of them have platings on the hull.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This was the AI's reply.

      It is possible that the pictures you are seeing of the turtle ship do not show any iron on the hull because the iron plates were attached to the wood using iron nails, and these plates were covered with a layer of paint or other protective coating. The iron plates on the hull of the turtle ship were designed to provide protection against cannon fire and other types of attacks, and they were thick enough to absorb the impact of cannonballs. However, these plates would not have been visible once they were attached to the wood and covered with a protective coating.

      In addition to the iron plates on the hull, the turtle ship was also equipped with a roof that was made of iron plates and was mounted with several cannons, which could be used to fire at enemy ships. This roof was designed to look like the shell of a turtle, and it was covered with spikes, which were designed to prevent enemy sailors from boarding the ship. The iron plates on the roof of the turtle ship would have been visible, and they may be what you are seeing in the pictures you are referring to.

      Overall, the turtle ship was armored with iron plates on both the hull and the roof, and these plates were designed to provide protection against enemy attacks. However, it is possible that the iron plates on the hull are not visible in some pictures due to the protective coating applied to them.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >However, these plates would not have been visible once they were attached to the wood and covered with a protective coating.
        That is moronic. Painted metal will still look like metal.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Well, the AI has a point, but I think it is misinterpreting the reinforced cannon "windows" (sorry ESL lmao) as iron hull plating, simply because it doesn't really make sense:
        >protective coating and iron nails
        I don't know why iron nails should indicate hidden iron plating, also iron was treated against rusting with an acid treatment also used to harden iron body armor, not wood paint.
        >against cannon balls
        The Japanese didn't even use naval artillery for the most part, even then, applying more iron to the top part of this thing would absolutely make it Vasa itself into the ocean

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This may be a stupid question but cut me some slack since I'm new to the topic of history.

          Is it known when the Japanese started using naval artillery and is it known when they started using cannons if they ever even did?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Around the middle of the 15th century.
            >http://gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2019/04/taiho-japanese-cannons-and-artillery.html#:~:text=A%20Japanese%20breech%20loaders%20cannon,guns%20had%20been%20made%20locally).
            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_of_Japan

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Anon some designs don't even have the spikes at all let alone the metal plating. Non of the contemporary commanders or chroniclers mention anything about metal plates.

        >cannon fire
        The most common type of Korean artillery (Korea was suffering from lack of saltpetre production) was similar to the hand held O-zutsu the Japanese used. Asides from the uncommon breech loaders, neither Korean or Japanese artillery actually had ship sinking capabilities so in the end it wouldn't even matter.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    My theory is, that the ship is supposed to be just barely over the water line, like the USS Monitor, and therefore only needs iron plates on top of it. Especially considering that the Japanese navy barely used cannons, it makes sense to assume that the iron hull was mainly used to deflect boarders and flaming arrows, while the cannon decks were made out of wood for ease of usage, lighter weight and cost savings (keep in mind that iron was expensive as shit before the 1800's)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >My theory is, that the ship is supposed to be just barely over the water line, like the USS Monitor
      You are even more moronic than the AI...

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm using an AI to see if it can help with speeding up the research process
    There’s your problem

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's just a test, not saying it works or not, just trying it out.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I mean yeah but the AI can’t discern truth from fiction, it listens to the loudest voice in its training data. It’s useless for research until it has the ability to discern reliable and unreliable data.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, everywhere I look mentions nothing about iron on the sides, guess it was just on the top, thought so.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    *16th century

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Metal plates on ships? You know those were invented in 1860s America, right anon? RIGHT???

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah about that...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ironclad_Gloire

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What happens when the AI becomes smart enough to guide people's "research" in directions that benefit it?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Good things. Ironically people are trying to stop it though.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Actual korean here. Its likely there were no iron on the turtle ship. There is no mention of iron on any korean records. The record of iron comes from samurais who lost the battle. Its likely the samurai wanted to make korean ship OP as possible to explain there looses. It was co opted by korean in the 1960s to get foregin envesment on shipbuilding

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