I'm not a religious person, but lately, I've been considering pretending to be one.

I'm not a religious person, but lately, I've been considering pretending to be one. Being part of a religion can come with several benefits, such as having a supportive community, networking opportunities, and a sense of belonging.

However, the thing is, I don't believe in any of the actual religious stuff. I'm not sure if pretending to be religious is the right thing to do. On the one hand, it seems like it could be beneficial for me to have those connections and support. But on the other hand, I don't want to be dishonest about my beliefs.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >convert to judaism
    >acquire shekels from goyim
    >win win

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Converts are actively looked down upon by most israelites
      There's no hope for the goyim, maybe if you convert and breed a Khazar femoid your kids, or more likely grandkids, will be accepted

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Our world was not an accident. It didn't randomly happen

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      that video is dumb
      matter always existed. the universe always existed. things just changed. naturally, the things exist in a way that allows life to exist, otherwise it wouldn't
      no need for any "god" to exist for that to be true

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But they don't
        Biology adapts, evolves
        Physics does not.
        The laws of physics that determined our universe 0.1 seconds after the big bang went off are the same physics that we have now, and we will have 0.1 seconds before the world ends.
        The laws of physics are consistent in ways biology is not, if you pick up an object and let go, it always falls to the ground, it's not like humans who sometimes do their homework or animals who sometimes eat even when they're not hungry. It happens every time
        We don't find errors that would be challenging but not impossible. We never accidentally cause nuclear reactions because we hit something and accidentally split an atom. Nobody ever falls through the floor because electrons stop repelling matter correctly.
        Physics is consistent and works

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >or would that perhaps uncover a very illegal bioweapons program?
          before that
          always was the same
          and it's not evidence of a creator or deity

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand what you are trying to say.
            Please rephrase

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            the fact that all sorts of things exist in a very "perfect" way - so a very, very miniscule change would prevent all life from existing, does not support at all the claim that "God" is real or that this universe was created by a god
            it's just the way it is and always was
            the universe didn't get created

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Fine tuning and intelligent design arguments yeah. They say designs always have a designer, but designers also always leave a mark like a signature or logo

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            they also don't explain how this "god" exists and can do things without existing in a place and taking up space

            his "mark" would be designing everything in such a way that it looks like it happened via natural causes, so as to suggest he doesn't exist at all

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Right, nor do they explain why god can be creationless while some unconscious particle or force cant have the same quality

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >it's just the way it is and always was the universe didn't get created
            Why isn't the universe more chaotic if it came into being by chance?
            We can see digital worlds, ones that are procedurally generated, those worlds have all kinds of flaws we do not observe in our reality

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Why isn't the universe more chaotic if it came into being by chance?
            just because that's how it is

            >We can see digital worlds, ones that are procedurally generated, those worlds have all kinds of flaws we do not observe in our reality
            how are there not flaws in our reality?
            it's full of flaws
            and you could say those creations are not flaws and actually do exactly what they were designed to do, the designers just screwed up

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Give me some flaws in our physics system

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Give me some flaws in our physics system
            the issue is that it can't be "flawed" because reality is the baseline of "correct' therefore it must be correct, no matter what it is, because all reality is truth

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Why isn't the universe more chaotic if it came into being by chance?
            The universe is extremely chaotic

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The universe is intelligible
            If the universe was not intelligible, science would be impossible

            What is science? It's making a hypothesis, experimenting, and observing the result.
            If every time you experimented the results were different, the world would be chaotic, and the results of experimentation would be unintelligible

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This "argument" works for any infinite hypothetical universes that would result in sentience.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >physics exist therefore god
          >shitting, farting, homosexualry and flies that lay eggs in your brain exist therefore not god

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I am just pointing out there is a different between Biology, which adapts through evolution, and Physics which is consistent and unchanging.
            I was pointing out that the physics of our world has none of the hallmarks of poorly configured physics we see in digital worlds, and this is evidence of fine tuning

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >this is evidence of fine tuning
            no it's not. it's evidence that reality is real. that's literally it
            there are certain aspects of reality, the universe, that just are. these things don't change. there are no "errors" because an "error" would, in this case, be defined as something that can not exist
            because there isn't a "purpose" behind the existence of reality. it simply exists, and always has

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why does reality perform well instead of poorly?
            My theory is fine tuning. Yours is it just happens to be that way? it's a coincidence nobody is accidentally splitting atoms and an a nuclear reaction is difficult to sustain?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Thats just an argument from ignorance. We dont know, therefore god. Why not just say you dont know instead of inserting some nebulous thing that doesnt even answer the question?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, it's not ignorance. I am claiming our physics was fine-tuned

            Our world was not an accident. It didn't randomly happen

            I am trying to argue that this could not have happened by chances. It's like a thousand switches were all in the correct slots
            I would compare the odds to two planes full of computer parts crashing into one another, and coincidentally assembling a fully functioning computer

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It quite actually is an argument from ignorance fallacy. Youre claiming(not demonstrating with evidence) that the universe is fine tuned because it appears that way to you and other religious people. No actual evidence that seperates it from random chance. Like if a cup was knocked over, and there were mouse droppings around the cup, it would be reasonable to assume a mouse knocked the cup over. You havent shown any mouse droppings in this assumption

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If the universe had a beginning, then it must have had a cause. However, the cause of the universe cannot be something that exists within the universe because that would mean it was caused by something else, and the cycle of causation would go on infinitely. Therefore, the cause of the universe must be something that exists outside of the universe, or something that is not caused itself.

            This uncaused cause is often referred to as the "first cause," and it is posited by some philosophers and scientists that this first cause is the universe itself. In other words, the universe is a necessary existence because it exists necessarily and cannot be otherwise.

            One way to think about this argument is to consider the concept of mathematical truths. Mathematical truths, such as 2+2=4, are considered necessary truths because they exist necessarily and cannot be otherwise. Similarly, some philosophers argue that the universe exists necessarily and cannot be otherwise.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I am just pointing out that shitting is evidence against fine tuning.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah i just tried that, and while the people were really nice and really liked me, i just couldnt get past some of the moronic delusional beliefs. Worth a shot though, maybe you arent as hard headed as i am

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Most religious people don't believe most of it either, don't think about it, or "reinterpret" it, honestly.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't believe almighty being actually exist
    So? You can be secular practitioner of religion
    >Anon, how...
    Easy.
    Even if supernatural doesn't exist, bunch of people believe in it making it as real as people's thoughts and those influence their actions making them important.
    So in that sense God is real, just not in a way devout believers think.
    On top of that, as you noticed, many religious practices are beneficial to society, so you can still partake in them.
    If someone asks about God, just be diplomatic and respond that you don't know, so you're there just in case.
    Should do the trick.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >However, the thing is, I don't believe in any of the actual religious stuff.
    >But on the other hand, I don't want to be dishonest about my beliefs.
    Then unironically study NDEs and realize that there actually is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. While the Bible and the Qu'ran convinces few people and are outdated, the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife.

    Here is a very persuasive argument for why NDEs are real:

    It emphasizes that NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and when people go deep into the NDE, they all become convinced. As this article points out:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

    >"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."

    Since NDErs are representative of the population as a whole, and they are all convinced, then 100% of the population become convinced that there is an afterlife when they have a sufficiently deep NDE themselves. When you dream and wake up, you instantly realize that life is more real than your dreams. When you have an NDE you immediately realize that life is the deep dream and the NDE world is the undeniably real world by comparison.

    Or as one person quoted in pic related summarized their NDE:

    >"As my soul left my body, I found myself floating in a swirling ocean of multi-colored light. At the end, I could see and feel an even brighter light pulling me toward it, and as it shined on me, I felt indescribable happiness. I remembered everything about eternity - knowing, that we had always existed, and that all of us are family. Then old friends and loved ones surrounded me, and I knew without a doubt I was home, and that I was so loved."

    Even ultraskeptical neuroscientists are convinced by really deep NDEs.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >study NDEs and realize that there actually is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die
      NDE is you tripping
      i had one myself
      zero evidence of an afterlife
      if you take a lot of drugs you'll know

      >"Among those with the deepest experiences 100 percent came away agreeing with the statement, "An afterlife definitely exists"."
      i had a NDE and didn't feel that

      >NDErs are representative of the population as a whole
      nope. most of the population is religious anyway

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      do other animals have an afterlife?
      do chimps? dogs ?cats? bugs? trees?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >NDE
      >near death experience
      >NEAR
      Let me know when they resurrect someone thats been dead for 30 years and interview them

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Lets all pretend we believe mythology so it never joins the other mythologies in death of obsolescence.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've shared the same sentiment OP. There is a huge religious community here (8 churches within walking distance) and I've considered just pretending to be religious to get in with a community.
    The story I plan to use is that my family used to be religious, but through some hardships I stopped believing in God, but realized how my belief in God gave me a purpose in life, Ever since this rediscovery I've felt like my bond with God has grown stronger. The trials and tribulations I was put through were merely a test of my faith, for which I do not want God to think I gave up on Him.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is funny how christians will go into defining the god into existence with a healthy dose of sophistry and obfuscating through complex phenomena that aren't explained yet or are difficult to explain. Meanwhile the reason they believe in god is because my aunt died and i felt something during the funeral and now i feel gods presence in my brain.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You think acting moronic all the time is worth these "benefits"?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    op just join a club of some sort or a volunteer organization. same shit minus religion

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Or you could stop being doubleminded and just convert to a religion you genuinely believe in.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >a religion you genuinely believe in
      there isn't any

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds like a personal problem, then.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          is there a religion that accepts the theory of evolution in general, and also there's no afterlife, and isn't ethnicity-based?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >is there a religion that accepts cultural lies and doesn't force you to grow as a person and doesn't challenge your false pretenses of the world
            No and you're not going to get anywhere in life by being a midwit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            evolution is real though
            also there's no reason to believe in an afterlife

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ignoring the child in the room saying it is god and speaking like adults for a moment. That made me realize that physics are "fine tuned" within the bounds of their own internal logic. There could be millions of worlds with completely different fundamental interactions we call physics like 5 dimensional words where none of those constants even exist. The whole concept of fine tuning is absolutely meaningless by that token among others.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So have I, I'm basically a practicing monk already, I don't drink, don't have sex I am completely selfless because I'm suicidal, but I fear that It will be weird being a 20year old alone, I'm not religion and am somewhat stringently opposed to it, If my family finds out they arent going to like it given they are strongly atheistic. Also I think that religious stuff can just be a bit cringe.
    And even if everything goes to plan and I meet a girl am I going to be stuck keeping up the facade of being a Christian.
    I suppose if someone had advice on where to get into Christian shit where there's a high likelihood of meeting 18-20year old girls then please give me the advice, I suppose I could volunteer, I think a lot of the group opportunities are going to be either kids or pensioners.
    I live in a town in England for context, if people have any ideas for places to meet Christian girls please tell me.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Lying about your intentions isn't a great way to get ingratiated into a community if you want it to last. Also, >Being part of a religion can come with several benefits, such as having a supportive community, networking opportunities, and a sense of belonging
    You're only ever going to "belong" if your intentions are genuine. If you're looking to convert or willing to see what a religion is about then that's different but don't "pretend" to be a part of something you're not, and the people there will call you out on being secular sooner rather than later. It sounds like you want the fellowship that religious communities offer without having to deal with any of the actual mental work involved with being a part of a religion, and in that case you should just join a club or convention or something related to interests you actually have instead of being a charlatan.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I thought similar and concluded that I want to live in a world of honesty (Not possible because I can't change people) so I would rather not behave like every other homosexual and do things dishonestly. Religion may help, but I feel like even that is a lottery to find a girl. And its like you said, I as well don't believe in it. I believe in its structure, certainly, but not the religion and worship.
    So I choose to live alone and honest.
    Frick this world btw.

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