I'm losing a lot of irl trans friends for expressing how I feel about the modern trans movement.. I am very skeptical of the constant validation of self-ID and pronouns, and believe that transbian hons are giving us a bad optics
Should I stand for my beliefs and concerns, or hide them so I don't become a pariah of the local LGBT community?
Honestly if you're this retarded it's probably well-deserved
optics is a meme and you rightfully deserve to be alone. youre no better than a terf for gatekeeping, infact youre worse. a homosexual in friendly clothing
You’re not wrong, but should practice more sympathy. You can support your transbian hon friends whilst privately admitting they’re bad optics. Maybe steer them in a better direction
homosexuals like you are killing our movement, gatekeeping is necessary. If you’re a theyfab or an AGPHon who is only transitioning because it’s trendy or their new fetish, you aren’t trans and should never be allowed to associate with trutrans people. If you disagree with this, go back to twitter or Reddit where you can ruin those sites and make trans people feel more isolated than they already are.
>homosexuals like you are killing our movement, gatekeeping is necessary. If you’re a theyfab or an AGPHon
All people who transition are trans.
People who don't transition aren't trans.
Theyfabs are not trans.
Hons (even transbian ones) are trans.
Again how will you enforce this? Are you just seething or do you actually want to do something?
>I'm losing a lot of irl trans friends
>believe that transbian hons are giving us a bad optics
dawg. you are the one with "bad optics" by acting like a sociopath
i know how it sounds but having friends is much more important that caring about optics trust me
ultimately even though you're kinda right you can't actually change how things are, you can however swallow your pride so you can have company and be less miserable
Hotel Derek awaits. Your creamy butthole awaits. I'll bring the cream.
stop being a retarded lib caring about optics
denying that bad optics isn't a thing harming our community right now just makes you delusional. the people trying to get medical transitions locked down are literally using the "all trans are valid!!11!" idiots as a reason why meds should be restricted to 18+, they think we're all like that
why are people in this thread defending transbian hons thats so disgusting
what has this board become...
The only hope for this board is to make it inhabitable for gross AGPs and non dysphorics
This board is our first target, a small step in fixing the broken trans community.
That said I don’t think simply being a hon warrants this, or rather I think the term hon should be divorced from someone who simply does not pass. We should offer an olive branch and help them pass
Wrong, we need to go against the grain right now. Our movement as we speak has been infiltrated by attention seeking alt theyfabs and AGPhons who grow whole ass beards and feel more comfortable at a drag show, we need to separate them from actual trans people with gender dysphoria.
>Our movement as we speak has been infiltrated by attention seeking alt theyfabs and AGPhons
you cant see it but im staring at you in disbelief right now
sis you sound so insufferable like oml
like i get what you're saying and i dont think youre wrong, but you dont seem to understand that change doesn't really happen at this level? like you screeching at your friends doesnt matter bc our "movement" is decided by much more complicated forces that arent in our control. you dont get to decide what cultural or religious values society has or the way the economy is heading or biases or what toxicity think tanks wanna spew out there for everyone to read. all this is doing is making you seem like an unlikable person to be around! its not gonna change anything!! and i know it sucks but like, get used to it sis. get that male energy out of you bc you're never gonna change the world like the leader of the tranny revolution or anything sksjsksk
we're victims of the time we live in but you dont have to make it worse for yourself
>like you screeching at your friends doesnt matter bc our "movement"
No one is screeching at anyone’s friends, in fact I told OP specifically to have a little sympathy for her friends. However, what I am saying is we need to actively reject the notion you can be trans without dysphoria, and that starts with individuals and grows with small communities
its because of those twitter accounts that post /tttt/ memes on twitter and the reddit protest
tru trans are agps that do it because they want to, not because they do as a treatment for a mental illness
you're not special for being ill, if you start from that then there's no point to be proud to be trans, it's like being proud of being on chemotherapy, and let's be honest, you are not cis women, and in the mind of all men that will be with you in the bedroom you will be trans, the only thing you can do about it is hide it from them and be dishonest, and maybe that's why you seethe so much about transbians, unlike you they are honest
>people who chose to go on chemo are more valid than people with cancer who go on chemo
you are a retard. and im not proud of being trans. trans acceptance should be about changing our perception from having cis people think we're weird men to having them think we are intersex women. it's not about pride, but survival and integration.
imagine making your life about seeking acceptance and fitting in the stereotypes of people who have always harmed you or at best never gave a shit about you, you are like the house negro from back when slavery was a thing, utterly fucking pathetic
>you are a house negro for having dysphoria
cis people have only harmed me because they dont understand what i am. if they understood us, they would be accepting. good optics and education about dysphoria is better than pride and rejection of cis people
people that harmed you did because they were piece of shit people, if someone wanted to understand you they would seek to do so, just like everyone that wants to understand something does
and since everything is about optics to you, standing next to these ''fetishistic fake transbian agp hons'' would be beneficial to you too because of the contrast, unless you both look really similar
they dont want to understand me, that doesnt mean they never did / never will. chuds arent orcs, they arent born evil. if society viewed transsexuals as they are or just didnt talk about them, our acceptance would skyrocket. also even if OP is a lookist, im not. i think its about behavior. i dont stand next to them not because they are ugly but because we dont really have anything in common. im not proud to be trans, in fact id give just about anything to be cis.
(you) are gross
gross because im a tranny and you found this from the front page or gross because you're a tranny and im actually fighting for a brighter future for us and you would rather stew in misery and assume half of people will always hate you
no they wouldn't. they just find you disgusting
disgust is learned. while being trans is gross, its no grosser than plenty of other medical conditions that dont get you shunned from society. they're disgusted by us because they dont believe being trans is medical, they think its a fetish or a chocie.
What's more important to you: your friends or your principles? That's an easy one for me but only you can make that choice for you.
keep fighting for actual transsexuals, its our only hope of surviving the catastrophic cultural backlash occuring right now
dont listen to the hons youre completely right.
i mean this in the sweetest way op but youre kinda big time dumb if you put political opinions before your friends, like i know thats what you were told to do as a boy n stuff but you really really need to learn to zip it and keep those thoughts to people who already kinda agree with you. Stop trying to go against the grain!
be normal! please! im begging you
that's gotta be shooped right?
chocolate ketchup sauce? what kinda sick fuck...
you wouldnt eat the choctup?? ngmi bestie.. ngmi....
im so curious what it would even possibly be like. something like chocolate with little bits of dried tomatoes sounds feasible yet awful
>i mean this in the sweetest way op but youre kinda big time dumb if you put political opinions before your friends
You think on the level of a dumb beast and are incapable of understanding or acting on higher principles. Kill yourself, you dumb monkey.
This is why I only have cis friends. I just rant about tranny issues and they pretend to listen and then we smoke weed :333
when you let people you don't like dictate your principles
You are 100% correct in your beliefs, stay strong because theyfabs and agp freaks are going to get us all killed if we don't stand up for it. Ive literally be banned every trans space because I speak the truth. The affirmation model of trans Healthcare should be abolished immediately and gatekeeping should be brought back
gate keeping is bad. Yes their are fake trans and without dysphoria who aren't tru trans but like any gatekeeping we implement against them transitioning will be used against us like it was in the past Which is the whole reason we switched to care models like informed consent. In addition to right to modify your body how you want.
Also tragically some of the ugly hons are tru trans with dysphoria and had the misfortune of late transition and bad genetics as horrifying as that is.
how is gatekeeping bad?
the reason we switched to informed consent was because trenders couldn't take no for an answer. same for non-ops.
dms-v says primary and secondary sex characteristics cause distress. not either or. and.
some smarty pants was like hey: let's include non-ops and non-binaries and eunuchs. we could make so much more money. welcome to wpath. you wanna get a whole new hospital wing? just comkit insurance fraud. put tits on non-ops that only want ba. cut off trender tits. money in the bank. pimpin' ain't easy. that's what they did and continue to do and their why. oh ffs is totes medically necessary, hon. get you some lip fillers for those dick sucking lips. they don't give a fuck about the integrity of the practice. they care about riding the money train all the way home. they don't care about you, they care about your wallet. what's inside? blue cross is the new blue amex.
gatekeeping is good as it maintains a stable populous. not gatekeeping opens up the flood gates and has brought us where we are now. passing (something that was so important to trans women because they so desperately long to be accepted naturally as their cis equivalents without outside interference) has been invalidated and people are shamed for striving for it by the trans community at large.
bad actors are undermining and ruining the community.
Also. We are getting clocked more and more since everybody knows us. Wish maybe is a necessity but in the short run made us even more vulnerable than 15y prior.
>how is gatekeeping bad?
The real question is how are you so dumb.
The only way to enforce any consistent medical gate is through long term examination (at least 6 mos) by an MD.
If you instituted that right now it would instantly bottleneck trans care with wait times approaching infinity, the vast majority of trans people would be cut off and would be FORCED to diy with no supervision.
This is actually a more effective way to de facto bad transition covered by insurance which is why it is being rolled out in britain and soon in US red states like missouri and tennessee once their hopes at getting total bans are eventually shot down.
I get that you're trying to be strict with other trans for your own good but what your proposing is catastrophic, retarded and literally just a way to discriminate against us. When you force dysphorics to shoulder 100% of the medical costs of their own transition due to your unreasonabke and harsh views you are really screwing over those peoples lives to appease people who don't actually know anything or care about trans people, including you.
So although well intentioned you're being a pickme homosexual and should think this through.
>This is actually a more effective way to de facto bad transition covered by insurance which is why it is being rolled out in britain
I'm from the UK and I haven't heard about this. What is it?
Well in all fairness trans healthcare through the NHS has always been shit but the main goal of the new centre right conservative governments in northen europe is basically to keep numbers of trans people low and the bill to taxpayers low.
Then their next move will presumably to crack down on DIY and criminalise that under the same protect the children rhetoric.
So what's being rolled out in the UK? What's it called so I can research it
Well i was referring to the process of establishing the regional centers after tavistock closed in terms of what's being rolled out as i think a lot of observers feel that this process has been done in bad faith and far too slowly, but as i understand it getting transition related care covered through the NHS requires being evaluated by a specialist whereas in america a regular GP can screen you and perscribe HRT generally. I suppose the balance of what i've heard is that the plan of the conservative and labour parties is to handle the trans issue by just making it practically impossible to do through the NHS. It's a more savvy approach to cracking down on trans that american conservatives haven't gotten round to proposing yet.
>just making it practically impossible to do through the NHS
We have free and private healthcare in the UK, so I guess it's just going to be private now.
A more ethical gatekeep, less pathologizing and regid should could back.
imagine using the LULZ memes seriously irl.
Be compassionate, but don't compromise your beliefs and principles. Thr cringry agps and theyfabs you can't stand are people too and you should unironically feel basic human compassion for them despite their weird shit, but don't cuck yourself for other people by being too scared to speak your mind unless its a matter of safety.
This is what happened to me, I compromised my beliefs because I had good friends who fell under some of these categories. You can be compassionate without compromising though.
This used to be my opinion, that was until AGPTube started arguing gender dysphoria just doesn’t exist at all. That was like a metaphorical bullet grazing past my head, take away the medical diagnosis and healthcare providers will start seeing HRT as cosmetic care and suddenly it’ll be way less accessible to people who need it all because some non dysphoria fake trans could feel special for a bit
thats fair. It's definitely weird talking to some trender nonbinary types who've described dysphoria as being lost in life or not fitting in and I'm just biting my tongue because that isn't even close to the literal hell it is. But also i think they should still be allowed to they them themselves or hrt femboys should still be allowed hrt.
Always stand up for your beliefs. You're right.
as a trans person myself i say fuck those people
anyone whos willing to stop being someones friend just because of their views isnt the type of person you would want to hang around in
ofc if you were a dick about all that stuff 24/7 thats different, but if you just said your opinion about the subject or that you dont think someones trans or whatever, then i dont see why anyone should give a fuck
if youre going to change your political views, it should never be because of peer pressure
Down with patriarchy bro
I will fuck the everloving shit out of you.
stay blackpilled brother
dont let the hon menace intimidate you
you're in the hugbox site, every dumbfuck rightoid is allowed to speak their dumbfuck terminally online opinions without being challenged
u should always stand up for what u believe in. ppl who leave cuz of it werent riding w u anyway. also, ur right.
once theyfabbing/enbylarping becomes big cringe again, your actual trans friends will still be there for you. I live in fucking PORTLAND, and I've even started to be more open about my transmeddy-trutransy beliefs. if you are cautious and only talk about this shit to ppl who seem cool, you'll find you're in much less of a minority than you probably expected. I despise all cis appropriators, personality-less interlopers, and perverts (read 99.85% of all nbs) dealing in bad faith, and I believe they need to be excised from actual trans communities and spaces like the necrotic tissue they are.
I should clarify, your friends will still be there for you, if this fucking human dross doesn't get us all killed first
that rrly gives me some hope for the future...
how are you this delusional? do you think cringe queers is unironically what's fueling the freaks calling for trans genocide instead of koch bros. money or are enbies your special interest except for hatred
imagine being this on Twitter. I missed the part where I said rightoids are blameless angels, b. like cringe "queers," they are all just cis ppl who hate us, one group wants to actively destroy us, while the other wants to silence us and define all aspects of our culture and beliefs as "problematic." believe it or not, actual trans ppl face multiple threats from multiple angles. but keep up trying to shout us down KYOOTIE, it will just make more of us hate you. 🙂
i don't have a twitter account, the thing you described isn't happening, the closest actual phenomenon to what you're describing that i can think of are some obnoxious twitter radlibs but you're just as much of an obnoxious lib as they are. you're delusional if you think there's an actual conflict of interest between nonbinary people and binary trans people, we're the same exact thing because gender is made up and so is the problem you've invented. learn some fucking materalism
don't do the fucking smol bean shit when you're putting your transphobe hat on, have some respect for the position lmao
>gender is made up
lmfao. this is what I mean. you could have just said "I'm your enemy" and typed way, way less
you're so dumb, you're acting like a child kek
do you think matt walsh cares if you personally police every tranny in existence? he's still going to kill you after he realizes the millionth ywnbaw won't convince you to stop transitioning, we're not even at the stage where transphobes are acting like they just want the heckin' sane and wholesome trannies to transition, they're being openly psychotic and bloodthirsty. everyone who supports trans rights in any capacity also supports nonbinary people. you could spend all that energy you spend posting on becoming a less annoying person
>you could spend all that energy you spend posting on becoming a less annoying person
the irony. also i'm not talking about some made up trans genocide, schizo, i'm talking about real things that are currently affecting the world. American states are openly pushing bills that deny trans people access to healthcare and the supporters of said bills adopt the bad optics/falseflaggers as evidence to justify passing them. The UK, where I am from, is currently trying to put forward an amendment to the equality act that basically prevents us from having legal protections from workplace/medical discrimination (which for most areas also effectively amounts to a med ban). It's not about kowtowing to the right, it's about proving their ideas wrong. Ideas that people like you push to them daily.
>ideas
KEK
ok sis, keep fighting the good fight. i'll support you with at least 2 more posts
? weirdo.
prob time to stop engaging with this freak who still thinks we're on Tumblr nine years ago. I hope them's inevitable detroon works out well for thaey
it's genuinely difficult to tell if they mean what they're saying or if they're just flags though. if it's the former i want to try to help them understand why what they're doing is wrong and if it's the latter, well i guess i got played.
>American states are openly pushing bills that deny trans people access to healthcare and the supporters of said bills adopt the bad optics/falseflaggers as evidence to justify passing them.
this doesn't happen. republicans don't say "all trans folx are heckin valid uwu" to justify these bills that harm trans people, they just use the same Think of the Children shit they've been peddling for decades. You're schizophrenic if you think this is the cause of twitter theyfabs.
>blames the boogeyman these people use instead of them for passing these bills
who are you to complain about these things? you clearly wish you were them
Theyfabs are TERFs that see themselves as genuine allies
>cringe "queers," they are all just cis ppl who hate us, one group wants to actively destroy us, while the other wants to silence us and define all aspects of our culture and beliefs as "problematic." believe it or not, actual trans ppl face multiple threats from multiple angles
Correct. they make it harder and harder to articulate out thoughts to outsiders
>Tranner: HRT is known to produce this and this effect, so trans women...
>Theyfab: Ackutkally, some trans women don't transition
>Tranner: We face hostility even within the queer and trans community (transmisogyny)
>Theyfab: Ackutkally as an AFAB, let me tell you that I also experience transmisogyny. Even more than binary trans women.
>once theyfabbing/enbylarping becomes big cringe again, your actual trans friends will still be there for you. I live in fucking PORTLAND, and I've even started to be more open about my transmeddy-trutransy beliefs
Can confirm. Key thing is:
- Focus on how non-transitioners (theyfabs) have very little skin in the game, while often promoting subtle transmisogyny ("le AFAB le AFAB le AFAB") and speaking over us
- Avoid appearance/liberty-based attacks (e.g. being ugly or having green hair)
>point out transmisogyny
you do realize that this isn't what trufags advocate for, you're not going to suddenly convince someone to hate enbies and become a transmed
once they start seeing cis women (theyfabs) exhibiting this behavior constantly, they will absolutely become more receptive to transmed ideas. It just takes one never-hrt theyfab to lecture a 6' 3" hon about how being sad about not passing is transphobic violence to get that hon to start thinking "What does binary trans identity mean to me?" Then we fucking got her, boys.
IT'S OK TO BE BINARY (ACTUALLY) TRANS
meeting people who are annoying isn't automatically going to make you subscribe to a set of insane ideological positions unless you're terminally online
Invalidating someone's trauma and making their legitimate victimhood seem like violence = just bean a lil annoying.
Starting to think you're a tranner who's flagging, you're such a stereotypical they/they-apologist
as an MtF, i used to id as non-binary (hrt). i stopped doing that as i realized more and more that this word nowadays means, 90% of the times, "cis woman who thinks she's very progressive while speaking over trans people"
caring about 'optics' 24/7 is dumb, the only people who are hurting us are actual transphobes, not hons or whatever, just get real...
they sound like any theyfab you'll encounter irl. If you actually shut down or undermine any of their points, they just resort to insults. gives the same vibe as a cis woman telling incels to just be cool and have sex, since that's basically exactly what's happening here
lovely how the gatekeepers itt can't even agree on where to draw the line
i think that you need to try to understand the opposition
a lot of your opinions are based on idealistic principles. but we have to live in the real world, not an ideal fantasy land.
self-id and informed consent exists because many doctors weren't even taught to deal with trans issues and have no business diagnosing it. yes we'd rather a world where trans people can get more legit diagnoses and crazy cis people are excluded, but thats not going to happen.
Same with all the bad optics or w/e. yes, it'd be beneficial for our rights if everyone was a 10/10 straight trans woman. but that simply isn't possible. you don't wake up overnight as a pretty girl. everyone is going to look bad sometimes, everyone will be a little cringe growing up. transphobes don't care how much you're trying. and optics don't matter when a lot of what drives transphobia is religious fervor or political distraction. they will find our worst examples regardless of how hard we try, and they will lie to make their points.
you don't have to agree with all this but you should realize why other people are upset with you. try to apply your principles to actionable plans and express those instead.
Yeah being a pick me to please folks who will never accept you is absolutely a reason for others to distance themselves.
Chuds view you no different from the hons. You aren't special. You aren't one of the good ones. You're just another tranny for the firing squad for them.
Lol i remeber you shitting on me for literally no reason in a thread where i was trying to get info on Brianna Ghey when that happened.
You're a fucking gaslighting cunt lol
>optics
>lesbophobia
>why can't everyone be hot?
Dude like if all trans people have to be attractive and appealing to have rights its over. There will always be unpassibg uggos to laugh at.
you deserve to lose your friends (ꈍᴗꈍ)
Fighting other legbutts and queers about what kind of gender they are and who has dysphoria and whose fault it is is wrong and stupid.
Fighting conservative christian chuds who actually hate us and spew hate online and work tirelessly against all of us to bully us all out of existence and take away rights is the corrext path.
Other trans or NB theyfabs or whatever are not your enemy. Conservative cis people are your enemy.
they want to be the opressor
>NB theyfabs or whatever are not your enemy. Conservative cis people are your enemy.
They make queer spaces hostile to trans women, while acting like they're the most oppressed trans minority.
Oh i agree with you but they aren't going to take youngshits awsy fron their parents and put them in detransition camps like your average pol tard will. One is a mouse that poops on the floor of your kitchen the other is a grizzly bear that will maul you and split your skull open.
gender abolition is a much bigger enemy to transsexuals than gender roles are.
You are a retard. What do you have to gain by saying "le rape hons". What do you want done? How are you gonna stop them? Are you gonna establish a medical institute that had the authority to tell people's whose trans and whose not? What's the punishment for being not trans? Are there gonna be clock secret police? If you don't have more to say then "x thing bad and scary" them don't say anything. Why does everyone these days think their political opinions matter so much? Especially when they are so superficial.
I dont hate afabs or fembies or whatever but i do find this one fembie i know really fucking annoying. They have like no personality outside of being woke and smoking pot and whenever I have a decent convo with someone they'll but in with the most inane and annoying shit ever. I could go on but they're just so fucking annoying