If you don't like Jazz, you don't like music at all.
Jazz is the soul and essence of real music. It encompasses every aspect that makes great music and no other genre is as rich in melody and harmony and as complex than Jazz.
If you don't like Jazz, you don't like music at all. Jazz is the soul and essence of real music.
Jazz stopped innovating before rock did. Sad.
True, mostly.
Complete and utter musical and historical brainlet.
What do you mean? It never stopped innovating, it just left the big stage and the spotlight was shining somehere else.
Most braindead fart sniffing comment i've read all day
Not true and also "innovation" is a meme. Literally just play gud.
>also "innovation" is a meme. Literally just play gud.
supremely based
Innovation is the only meaningful thing in music. You are supposed to push the music forward not just learn to be a good craftman
no one wants to hear that shit
>supposed to push the music forward
is progress always one-way?
>Innovation is the only meaningful thing in music
If you don't care about music.
Rock is less culturally relevant now but still exists whereas Jazz is just completely dead.
>doesn't know about the vgm jazz revival/explosion
Jazz being featured in your le epic heckin anime kinos is actually an amazeballs sign that it's desd/irrelevant as are the pop Jazz covers you hear ocassionally as background music. There actually is a rock or at least metal underground with some degree of experimentation still. If Bochi The Rock and shit they use for truck commercials where the only truly living forms of rock then it would be comparable ig.
i hate weeb culture too but denying the existence of the jazz underground is retarded
Ok grandpa, here's some prune juice with your meds
He is your age if not younger, obviously.
Y'see the kids, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage. With their hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin' so they don't know what the jazz, is all about, y'see?
the only music in rap is sampled jazz from real musicians. Quackin crazy ya cant put that together
read it in Coleman Hawkins' voice
don't worry man, at least i got your reference. wasn't completely lost.
i cant remember if this was from simpsons or family guy
people who say this always listen to the lamest jazz, the "jazz club rainy night vibes" youtube playlist-tier shit.
>"jazz club rainy night vibes"
Nothing wrong with that. I do listen to the classic GOATs too though. Bill Evans, Oscar Peterson, Joe Pass, Miles Davis, Coltrane, Duke Ellington...you get the idea.
The list goes on, of course.
I love every artist you mentioned but you're a retard. Classical is better than jazz in nearly every way musically. melodically, harmonically, even rhythmically. i'm sorry but as good as out to lunch or that fucking mingus album are they don't hold a candle to anything like beethovens 3rd symphony, mahler's 2nd or various other examples of pure musical genius.
Nope. Jazz is the natural evolutionary next step of Classical music.
It's always about outside factors and what makes money. The general quality of music peaked somewhere before Jazz. There is little about Jazz that could make it inherently better.
>First going from Baroque to Classical, common people can afford to hear music and as a results music gets dumbed down to a single voice to appeal to them.
>In the Romantic pianos become affordable and everything has to be written for them to sell scores. At least the average person was more educated too.
>Shitty microphones and records are invented and music has to be simplified to sound good on them so you get Jazz. The concepts of harmony also have to be expanded to make something palatable.
>Once there are better microphones in the 50s, Jazz is displaced.
but jazz of the 50s, 60s, 70s is insanely rich - alive
>jazz with dumbed down harmonies is rich
the harmonies get complex through execution and group artistry, brainlet
>and the list goes on and on
Not true. You agree but the history of music dictates otherwise. Stupid whore.
how do you even make a sound on the trumpet reeeeeeee
Press your lips tightly together, but not super tight, and make farty/elephant noises into the mouthpiece
Youre welcome.
it's way harder than it looks
Brass instruments are a disgusting abomination and you will never convince me otherwise.
ok good to know
May i try.
Although i disagree with op and jazz is literal shit, brass has just been overrated. Brass pieces, Specifically Brahms symphonies and his famous German requiem, are beutiful pieces of music. But uncultured people keep using brass, especially the trombone, do the slide fart noises and call it jazzy and cool when it sounds like fuck and shit. You can even use anything by john Williams as proof of brass being perfected of a longing tone which is what it was meant to be
>melody and harmony
Only harmony
swing has all the melody in the world but that's because it's basically classical/tradpop music
changing the scale at every single note is not harmony, it's annoying nonsense
>he can't hear key changes
Your mistaking your hatred for harmony when its actually the shitty blues scale ( a scale with a fucked up 3rd that sounds ‘jazzy’)
but enough about 20th century classical
I love jazz so much, but this is just not true. There is music that "encompasses every aspect that makes great music" and "is rich in melody and harmony" and "complex" in almost every genre. It's got nothing to do with the genre of music and everything to do with the skill and prowess of the musicians who made the music.
refer to
so you know who you're dealing with before proceeding further.
the average jazz tune has more chords and complexity and richer harmony than an average rock/pop tune...that's a simple fact
if you take the average and proliferate it, you will see that jazz on average is way richer and musical than any other genre
which makes sense because jazz is a celebration of music in its purest form
>which makes sense because jazz is a celebration of music in its purest form
that would be classical
nope...classical music is puritan stuff...too stiff, too theorethical, no improvisation
they tried to fuse classical music with jazz and it failed
More brainlets. Improvisation is a part of classical musical history.
yeah but your typical classical nerd player is proudly utterly incapable of playing/improvising without sheets telling them what to play
yeah and your typical jazz nerd player is proudly utterly incapable of not regurgitating the same two charlie parker licks for 2 minutes straight
If this is the case how are musicians who do both in both cases received
what?
only in the same way that "singing" is a part of metal
damn you really managed to avoid saying a single true thing, i'm impressed.
>they tried to fuse classical music with jazz and it failed
There are several extremely good third stream albums both from the side of European classical composers leaning into jazz (Claude Boilling's Flute/Cello trios, Kapustin etudes) and jazz musicians leaning into classical (plenty of Mingus, Fabrizio Cassol's A love supreme)
So much complexity to be either pure self-indulgent or snoozefest
Ya like jizz?
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jizz/
The classical larpers who don't even listen to music have already arrived lol
yeah so they can have fun with the jazz larpers already present kek
I will listen to it if non-bluesy Jazz exists.
blues left jazz in the late 60s the came back for a little while in the '90s and left again
so the vast, vast majority of jazz, then?
Hep cats, are you mayhaps referring to Jizz music?
Which aspects make great music?
I only like gypsy jazz
Do you also like wearing a flat cap and suspenders
post one gypsy jazz song not by django
although this is a smartass answer, it's pretty good so you win
This is why i still come here
I like fusion.
it's a shame that most modern fusion sounds so bland, hell even the rippingtons have more sovl than snarky puppy
Damn right.
Jazz is only made with the intent of being jazzy; cerebral and impressive though it may be, there are limits to the artistic ideas and intentions that can be expressed in the genre. Pop music is more interesting
These threads (along with the classical ones) are always so embarrassing. Y’all come off so arrogant, narcissistic, and self-indulgent. Don’t you ever get bored trying to push your pseud opinions as facts on the internet to people who don’t care? It’s gotta be the same couple of people who have been making these same threads over and over again every couple days for the past decade. I refuse to believe that there are truly so many dorks out there in the world who unironically think like this and get off on feeling superior to people because they think they’re favorite genre of music is objectively “better” or “core complex/intelligent”.
I find people who don't like jazz just haven't listened to a lot of music
Aka plebs
>jazz has the best heckin melodies, this white upper class faggy berkeley graduate youtuber told me s-ACK
Jazz is the great filter that separates the musically minded from the poser
Jazz is not music.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_music
>t.
but you can't FORCE jazz, that's against every inherent principle
The insecure elitism of the current year jazzist is hilarious to behold.
>If you don't like Jazz, you don't like music at all. Jazz is the soul and essence of real music
No other genre elitist would make such a claim. Jazzists make the claim whether they realize it or not because:
1. Jazz is le black and such unbelievable hyperbolic praise of anytime black people do something marginally passable is just part of American culture, and because blacks and their doings are off limits for criticism the jazzist is feels safe in making such an absurd claim, protected by proxy by the black card.
2.Jazz is hard and requires a lot of harmonic learning to participate in which gives the jazzist an inflated ego, and the fact that most people don't like the music only reinforces this - "you don't like it because you don't get it! it scares you! You're homophob - I mean jazz phobic!"
3.Retards like Wynton Marsalis have a chip on their shoulder and have actively encouraged 1 and 2.
4.Wynton Marsalis is black which creates a feedback loop between 3 and 2 leading to white simps like OP being utterly entranced and feeling that their opinion cannot be assailed.
All improv focused, fart smelling diminished chord harmony influenced jazz is a failure. THere's good modern jazz but it's all more composition based and willing to break out of the porta potty smelling harmony of mid 20th century jazz. No one likes your shit. Get over it.
>THere's good modern jazz
like what? because the last good jazz i've heard is at least 10 years old by now
I count 10 years ago as modern. Tigran Hamasyan, Richard Spaven, always watching out for what Pat Metheny does though he hasn't done anything really good in a long time, Glasper, Portico Quartet is ok, some small band I found on Spotify called Fuutsubushi. I'm not that into it because good stuff is so rare and hard to find but it's out there.
hamasyan and glasper fucking suck
>Tigran Hamasyan
ok i was skipping around because nope but that djent section, damn
djent is dogshit
thats sounds like something carmella soprano would listen to for a day to be quirky
2:29 to 2:39 is one of the best examples i have ever seen of what other people hear when they listen to jazz
This is the logical conclusion to fusionshit, if you like Bitches' Brew etc. you can't complain about this.
Almost anything released on Criss Cross, Pi Recordings or Steeplechase.
Just give some recs, homosexual
The new Tyshawn Sorey trio is good, the David Binney records from last year are good, the new Michael Formanek record is good, Noah Preminger's put out some good stuff, the Parks/Brewer/Harland records from last year are good etc.
Also a lot of good releases of older recordings on Steeplechase, can really recommend the Johnny Griffin one from last year.
>Jazz is le black and such unbelievable hyperbolic praise of anytime black people do something marginally passable is just part of American culture, and because blacks and their doings are off limits for criticism the jazzist is feels safe in making such an absurd claim
Big band was as multiracial as it got tbqh. Here absolutely white as milk band and singer.
>Here absolutely white as milk band and singer
figures 'cos these cats were bland af. they didn't have a patch on Duke or Ella.
>cats
>ESL typos plus reddit spacing
what a godawful combination
There is no way you got this triggered over low-tier bait
you know Ella Fitzgerald recorded this twice (once with the Ink Spots, and later in one of her 50s "Songbook" albums) but neither of them are as good as this version
In fact Kitty Kallen rerecorded her version in 1963 but that one isn't quite as good as the original, mainly because the band sounds like TV commercial music. Also she sounds more self-conscious than in the original recording.
>cruise ship genre
i like jazz
Rivers of what?
Nihil
no you dont
Its called classical music, you retard. Find me Jazz like this.
great songs, love schoenberg, love scriabin, loved the last song, retard take on jazz tough.
What do you mean? I didn't give my take on Jazz. I like jazz. I just don't think it gets as complex as classical, especially modern classical. Also none of those are "songs" bimbo.
Although I'll say that probably most of /classical/ hates jazz and I think that's perfectly consistent, but elitist as fuck. I can't imagine not needing a break every now and then.
jazz is apex human creativity
apex humanity really
damn this thread got a lot of replies
>damn this thread got a lot of replies
i don't know why but the past couple months, there's been a huge uptick in jazz discussion on this board. you rarely see a single thread dedicated to jazz on here, and even then it rarely gets more than a couple dozen posts. even the jazz general is kinda doing okay lately.
LULZ is healing.
my pleasure. can't all be comfy prog discussions, and there's so much to go on with jazz
>implying you're single-handedly keeping jazz discussion going on the board
yes, that's the joke, i guess.
thank god there's other dudes doing better effortposting and posting recs, but jokes aside, i just know i'm a large part of those bumps.
not something to be proud of, though
Defend this.
On god