if the Union had x4 the population and x2 as many troops then why tf did it take them nearly half a decade to beat the South?

if the Union had x4 the population and x2 as many troops then why tf did it take them nearly half a decade to beat the South?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read about McClellan, he said all the the worst decisions of the early war were from Lincoln and Congress telling the army what to do

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those were all McClellan’s failures

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        uh huh
        that's why he wanted to use the navy to land a large invasion force in richmond but lincoln and congress demanded a costly land war that started with their loss at bull run right outside of the capital

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Are you saying Lincoln and Congress *didn’t* give McClellan his peninsula campaign fantasy? And that McClellan *didn’t* blow it completely after failing to take advantage of the numerous opportunities that came his way? That he *didn’t* then cry about “muh reinforcements” and get btfo’d not only by some painted logs, but a canal lock that he was too retarded to measure?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, a YEAR after the start of the civil war you stupid nagger, his attack on richmond was supposed to be the FIRST action the army made, not piddling around virginia and losing skirmishes and morale for a year

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >come on bro just send thousands of city-raised, greenhorn boys who aren’t used to firing rifles let alone marching miles at a time straight into the heart of Confederate territory on a water-born path that the rebels will have to be outright blind not to see and entrench in preparation of while we leave the capitol utterly exposed bro come on wtf
              There’s a reason no one seriously defends McClellan’s war record

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >McClellan’s war record
                what does that haver to do with congress and Lincoln wasting a year piddling around virginia?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who was it that was in charge of the men doing this “piddling”?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                McClellanfag will probably be leaving the thread shortly

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The north had a larger number of farms than the south and grew way more foodstuffs. The south’s economy was based on a small number of plantation owners growing cash crops that were worked by slaves rather than yeoman farmers

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                that's not even close to being true, a majority of meat was farmed in the south

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It is, both in terms of absolute acreage and in the number of farmers

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's not true. I don't know why you'd lie about something so petty as if to try and squeeze out some semblance of rhetorical victory out of this thread

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Seethe more

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                where's meat production?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                That statistic includes pastoral land as farmland

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                okay where's meat production

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.census.gov/library/publications/1864/dec/1860b.html
                The rebel states lagged way behind the combined loyalist states. In any case, beef wasn't going to make up for the massive disadvantage in actual war material and logistics.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If they're 30% of the population and providing 30% if production across the board then they're not "lagging behind" on anything. I know you're a nagger and can't read graphs but this is just pathetic.

                Also livestock value isn't meat production. New England had transitioned into mostly milk production and wasn't producing as much meat and milk cows are valued much higher than meat cows. But of course a nagger that can't even read graphs wouldn't know the nuances of civil war era economies

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like cope with no data to back it up

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Also new england had a bunch of sheep for wool production. You can see that they were producing massive amounts of cheese and wool, but they were comparatively producing less red meat than the south. Thanks to Northern subsidization of railways to the midwest new england's agriculture collapsed and they had to go with "cash crop" animal farming with wool and cheese. Yuo can still go into new england and see where old cattle fields were turned into grain fields or abandoned during this period, and also the building of stone sheep fences that still stand dating to this period.

                But you wouldn't know that because you're a seething anti-white homosexual that posts retarded drivel all day

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >words words words
                I see a lot of rationalizations and seething about being genocided because you heard a Kendrick Lamar song on the radio, but no evidence to bolster anything you have to say

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Here's a picture since you can't read

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not an argument

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You being a retarded homosexual that can't read and posts graphs he doesn't understand and links to things that don't support him is a pretty good argument

                kill yourself

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah how dare I back up my assertions with evidence instead of posting feels over reals drivel

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                man you really are an illiterate jigaboo huh?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry, I don’t take the words of revisionists at face value, you need to do your research like anyone else who wants their opinions to be respected

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                prove to me you can read

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Post something worth reading first. And back it up with evidence because I know you’re not debating in good faith

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                what's 2+2 lebron

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >get a chart posted
                >keep insisting you won even though it proves you wrong
                >start malding about Negroes
                When they start whining about blacks you know you've already won

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                how much is a quarter ounce of a weed now ledarius?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Two nights with your sister and a throatfuck for your mom, so about two quarters

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Great comeback

                If you want mine you'll have to scrape it off your sister's womb

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you're literally an early 2000's joke website

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're literally the worst shitposter that I have ever encountered. I tell you I fucked your sister and mom for two quarters and you don't even have a clever comeback beyond calling me a basketball American as if that ever did anything but establish how deeply buck broken you are.

                When you finally kill yourself the only thing your family will feel is relief

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                you post jokes that are ripped straight from early shitty 2000's joke websites and I'm the shitposter?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. Sorry the truth burns, retard.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                sure, you done throwing a tantrum?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >southern chivalry: clubs verses arguments

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hey I'm not the black coming here and pretending to read

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, Cletus. If either of us is more likely to have negro admixture in his DNA, it’s you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                why do you pretend to read

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you proud of not reading?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I read everything you post but apparently you don't. Is that a "black" thing?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                An animus, like the one existing in the West today, of anti-White suspicion, discrimination, alienation, and plain hatred does fit the UN definition of a genocide established in the 20th century.
                The only question is where will (You) go when Whites defend themselves?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine being black and coming here to discuss history and as soon as the topic veers off your safety net anti racist faux narrative of history you start spamming incoherent nonsense about how you want all white people dead and how you want to physically shit on them like some weird fetish

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What point are you trying to make exactly? They had a backwards economy that was blown out the water by the productivity of the loyalist states and could not keep their troops adequately equipped, fed and supplied and lost the war. Trying to claim the rebels were winning a burger gap with the north or whatever is the most pathetic lost causer copium I've encountered to date, and that's saying something living in the south.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >local anti-white spammer anon claims the south didn't produce any agricultural products compared to the north
                >they produced more red meat than the north
                >post this
                >anti white sperg goes on an hour and a half tirade about god knows what

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, you're that samefagging yankee lost causer who devolves into insults about black people and accusing southerners of being carpetbaggers in every thread while being a northerner. YWNBAS

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>anti white sperg goes on an hour and forty minute tirade about god knows what

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >>>anti white sperg goes on an hour and forty-five minute tirade about god knows what

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                This, the south struggled with terrible rations and malnutrition culminating in full blown bread riots as the war went on because you can't eat tobacco and cotton.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >South was the land of naggers, mulattos and poor whites who were happy to be cucked by their plantation aristocracy
                No shit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            they certainly didnt give him what he asked for.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              How so?

              McClellanfag will probably be leaving the thread shortly

              kek

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't forget that McClellan had really fucking green troops in spring 1862. The officers and men were not quite able to do what was being asked of them.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        McClellan was bad, but Congress was absolutely stupid when trying to run the war by committee.

        https://www.jstor.org/stable/20149029

        > Generals established lines of retreat, per standard military procedure to make sure that the army isn't cut off and surrounded.
        > Congressional radicals chimp out and accuse the general of cowardice.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Congressional radicals
          No shit. The Radicals were a minority of autists that even Lincoln couldn’t stand to deal with

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lincoln was in power because of radicals, if he didn't see eye to eye with them it's because he was too much of a pushover for the job

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              0/10 bait harder

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/nqbM8l7.jpg

      if the Union had x4 the population and x2 as many troops then why tf did it take them nearly half a decade to beat the South?

      McClellan was a retard who was always convinced that the Confederacy outnumbered him, despite it being the opposite, and sat on his ass hemming and hawing, because he was scared to death of fucking up his divinely ordained mission to save the Union.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      West did they tell the army?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What*

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The mods are literally trannies and deleted half the thread
      https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13728951/#13728951
      Literally everyone replying now is mentally retarded

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Northern elites wanted anything but a war. They could have prevented the Civil War by cracking down in the South before secession and nipping it in the bud. They could have steamrolled early on in the war if they took the initiative or fought like they wanted to win

    Instead they refused to exercise federal authority to prevent secession in the first place and played entirely defensively in the early war because they were all best friends with the Southern elites and kept thinking they could appease them into simmering down without having to shoot any of their school pals or cause any economic disruption.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >there's seething greasy atheists for McClellan
        where did you find this absolute trash

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        no? this happened a lot. the regular army officers were mostly Democrats, many of them openly admired the South and slavery and even considered its society superior to the North's. they didn't really want to fight their old army colleagues from the South either.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        As Bruce Catton put it, Porter was the first casualty of Edwin Stanton's attempt to buck break the officer corps and compel them to fall in line with the administration's goals for the war.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        John Reynolds also had some less than kind opinions of Lincoln.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Initial reluctance to fight and the Southern elites' generally better education in strategy and greater desperation to fight.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The American South is very big (about the size of Mexico, and larger than any European state sans Russia) had poor infrastructure, and fought on the defensive. That meant conquering it would inevitably take a long time although the Union made some early mistakes that didn't help its cause.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Correct answer.

      Rather, McClellan was cautious and fought as if he was outnumbered. Daring desperate guerilla tactics on the part of the Confederacy made him think that they had more men than they really did, so he never committed his full forces to an assault to protect him from getting routed and utterly defeated. Retarded homosexuals with no understanding of how retrospect blinds them will realize that he could have smashed his units against the Confederate's units until both were dead and he'd win by default but that's not how wars are fought. It wasn't until Congress and Lincoln got Grant in charge (who was personally indebted to the whig/republican party for his position, he almost got passed-over for the war) that Grant started "smashing units together". Now if the Confederacy really did outnumber the Union in forces then Grant would have been defeated, but since they didn't he won. He proceeded recklessly with little value of human life, hurdling wave after wave at the Confederacy at behest of his owners to prevent any possibility of armistice. Their true goal was to prevent armistice so there wouldn't be a peaceful recognition of the rival state, that's why they hated McClellan because he didn't fight with desperation.

      Even a contemporary would've known that half or more of the rebel states population was enslaved and therefore not available for recruiting soldiers, and that the rebel states had a lower population overall than the loyalist states and a major disadvantage in manufacturing and logistics.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >pic
    While the Union Army did buy a Gatling gun or two towards the very end of the war I don't think they actually used them. In fact I don't think Gatling guns were used in any significant capacity until the Spanish American war.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lincoln bought 16 in the first year of the war and the Union used them several times in battle.

      They weren't wonder weapons but they were effective against cavalry, which led to their use in the wars against the Seminole Indians during the Indian Wars

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Inept leadership until Grant took over.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rather, McClellan was cautious and fought as if he was outnumbered. Daring desperate guerilla tactics on the part of the Confederacy made him think that they had more men than they really did, so he never committed his full forces to an assault to protect him from getting routed and utterly defeated. Retarded homosexuals with no understanding of how retrospect blinds them will realize that he could have smashed his units against the Confederate's units until both were dead and he'd win by default but that's not how wars are fought. It wasn't until Congress and Lincoln got Grant in charge (who was personally indebted to the whig/republican party for his position, he almost got passed-over for the war) that Grant started "smashing units together". Now if the Confederacy really did outnumber the Union in forces then Grant would have been defeated, but since they didn't he won. He proceeded recklessly with little value of human life, hurdling wave after wave at the Confederacy at behest of his owners to prevent any possibility of armistice. Their true goal was to prevent armistice so there wouldn't be a peaceful recognition of the rival state, that's why they hated McClellan because he didn't fight with desperation.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he was cautious except for that one time he haphazardly thew his army at a force he outnumbered 3 to 1 causing heavy casualties among his own his own men and allowing the enemy to make an orderly withdrawal

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Actually it was the other general that was reckless
          Literally one of the only things said about grant was his recklessness, grantfag

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        So, McClellan's tactics were only sound by virtue of his complete misunderstanding of both the political situation surrounding the war and the operational status of his army vs the ANV? You realize this just makes him retarded, right?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why would Congress and Lincoln tell the commander of their army who didn't owe them anything and already thought they were retards he had to fight the war like a retard because they wanted no breathing room for armistice. He'd probably resign on the spot

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you have a reading problem or a thinking problem?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Do you? Why would the Union tell their general that doesn't like them their goal was to do something as dishonorable as never recognize the confederacy

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >He proceeded recklessly with little value of human life, hurdling wave after wave at the Confederacy
    Will this meme ever die?

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s not a meme, kid. Keep coping.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It’s not a meme, kid. Keep coping.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    t wasn't because we had the population. Its because the majority of the "slaves" did nothing. We have a culture of "I won't support it till it's done or my way" and that was the problem. This war was inevitable. And we lost over half a million of our people in those years.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of bad things happened to fuck up the war in Virginia including but not limited to political meddling. The Western armies were pretty free to do as they wanted without the White House constantly living in fear that one wrong maneuver would leave Washington DC exposed to the Confederate army.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    anyone arguing about the Eastern Theater of the civil war is a midwit, the entire point of the Army of the Potomac was to more or less fix the Army of Northern Virginia in place while the actual war was won in the West. This was the Anaconda Plan which was extremely successful once the Navy was grown to the extent where it could effect a blockade of the Rebel ports

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the Western armies were way tougher guys.

    >hard-ass farmers used to extreme weather, riding, shooting, and marching long distances
    >versus soft city boys from the Northeast

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Southerns ask for sources
    >Get sources
    >continue to ask for more specific sources on increasingly pedantic things
    >no one records these things
    >Southerns declare victory and bitch about negroes and Mexicans
    The memes are all true

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if you read and know about history you're a white supremacist from alabama
      get real

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if you're a pedantic homosexual who constantly shifts goalposts you bitch about blacks and Mexicans because you desperately need to signal that you have no argument and no bitches, you MUST defend da Souf in every thread
        Thanks for clearing that up, dipshit. We already knew but you guys love to point out the obvious.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >make claim
          >claim is wrong
          >BUT I POSTED THE 1860 CENSUS THAT PROVES ME WRONG THAT MEANS I'M RIGHT IF YOU DON'T AGREE WIHT ME YOU'RE A NAZI
          >all this over meat production
          how would you gauge this person's IQ? I would say less than 85

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >strawman when he gets flustered
            You're done

            You lost

            You get nothing. You are nothing. And the only way that your ugly children will succeed you is that they'll achieve even less.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >lose argument
              >s-strawman
              okay bye

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You will never be a real Southerner. You have no home below the Mason-Dixon, you have no southern accent, you have no southern culture. You are a Yankee twisted by racist imageboards and Paradox games into a crude mockery of America's perfection.
            All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Southerners mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your Confederate LARPing behind closed doors.
            Southerners are utterly repulsed by you. Hundreds years of cultural evolution have allowed Southerners to sniff out Yankees with incredible efficiency. Even Yankees who “pass” seem uncanny and unnatural to a Southerner. Your BMI is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk redneck to think you're a local, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, bland cooking.
            You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, that the south will rise again, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like kudzu, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
            Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss sobbing while clutching a bag of microwaveable grits. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone in your northern town and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a Yankee is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a grave that is unmistakably a Yankee's.
            This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is just one of the ways McClellanfag argues when he knows he can't win

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Quit talking to yourself

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >sure, you done throwing a tantrum?

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    At this point it’s more sad than funny, the temper tantrum southerners throw when you tell them they can’t keep importing and breeding their pet africans in our ountry. I bet they’re all big sports fans now too.

    Dixie culture is centered around _____

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dixie culture is centered around exploiting naggers, Yankee culture is centered around dying to give them rights lmao

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Observe the two brain cells of the southerner attempting mental gymnastics. Fascinating to watch such a struggle against reality. He doesn’t even realize america wouldn’t have those problems if southerners didn’t import all of them in.
        >fills room with rats
        >wants to fill every room in the house with rats
        >wtf no
        >”HURR ARE YOU SOME SORT OF RAT LOVER”

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >keep rats in cages for scientific testing and other forms of exploitation
          >some fat retard in a navy blue uniform dies for the right to free them from cages and sleep amongst them on the floor

          Smug yankoid nagger lovers can't into analogy kek

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >can't read
            >can't read graphs
            >can't analogy
            >can't breathe
            is there anything blacks can do?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Steal

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >steal bike
                >have a heart attack

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My state banned the import of slaves in the 1700s you fucking smoothbrain

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >retarded homosexual attached his self worth to when his state phased out slavery
              actually sad

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dixie culture is centered around exploiting naggers, Yankee culture is centered around dying to give them rights lmao

      Observe the two brain cells of the southerner attempting mental gymnastics. Fascinating to watch such a struggle against reality. He doesn’t even realize america wouldn’t have those problems if southerners didn’t import all of them in.
      >fills room with rats
      >wants to fill every room in the house with rats
      >wtf no
      >”HURR ARE YOU SOME SORT OF RAT LOVER”

      >it's white people throwing temper tantrums
      Can you point that out in this thread?

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