If Jesus supposedly wasnt crucified and was in fact raised into heaven according to Islam.

If Jesus supposedly wasn’t crucified and was in fact raised into heaven according to Islam. Why do the disciples never mention this?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Islam is a cult created by a pedo goat fricker.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Muhammad didn't exist. Islam was created at least a century after he allegedly lived by Arab conquerors to cement their empire.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He wasn't a goat fricker, he was a based milf AND dicky enjoyer.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because Islam is fake and gay
    >After my many sufferings and great martyry / I rise again transfigured, of all blemish free

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >If Jesus supposedly wasn’t crucified

    ???They believe that???
    Why? That feels like such a strange thing to *not* explicitly believe in. Because I could at least understand not attributing spiritual or religious significance to it, but denying the whole exchange seems odd. What's the basis for this? What's the reasoning? This is the first time I've heard of this.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, damn clue but yeah it’s very odd since Muslims also believe in the second coming and the virgin birth

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It made its way from gnostic sources into the quran so they're forced to say so
      https://legacy.quran.com/4/157
      4:157: And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

      Gnostic sources include
      >“This, then, is the cross that has united all things by the Word, and marked off the transient and inferior, and then compacted all into one. But this is not the cross of wood which you will see when you go down here, neither am I he who is upon the cross,” (Acts of John, Chapter 99)11
      >“He did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them. For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, he transfigured himself as he pleased, and thus ascended to him who had sent him, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all,” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book I, Chapter 24, Section 4).

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I assume that it has to do with Allah being merciful and saving his devoted prophet from that fate. As another anon said, there was probably also some lingering influence from the gnostics.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      the Koran also curiously includes some well known apocrypha as well, like Jesus' childhood in Egypt

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do the disciples never mention this?
    Jesus didn't exist and nobody who allegedly knew him wrote anything down.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If He didn't exist, why do the talmudians hate Him so much? Why don't they hate on the tooth fairy for example?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't follow that if a character in a story isn't liked then he must be real.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do the disciples never mention this?
    The Bible was written long after they died. They didn't even write what's in the Bible.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because the modern bible is corrupted by followers of Paul that wanted to hide the truth

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Source?

  7. 1 year ago
    sage

    >Why do the disciples never mention this?
    This is how I know you haven't read the Bible, shill
    Muslim here

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You mean the same bible that says Christ died and was resurrected

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >You mean the same bible that says Christ died and was resurrected
        Ok. The Bible where Jesus never says "worship me"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus is God, God made flesh. Do you want to start with the classic Mohammedian cope of God not entering the world ( contradicted by the qurans tale of Musa and the burning bush?
          If you want Biblical justification then there is plenty

          " If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? "

          But let me guess, the Bible has been corrupted and God intentionally tricked everyone for 600 years...which goes against the directly revealed nature of God from the prophets. Iblis is the great deceiver, his nature is deceit. God by his nature is incapable of lies.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus is God,
            Thanks, no need to read further. Hopefully for you, Jesus lets you into heaven. Or are you already going there because you believe in him?

            You're right, because Islam is a shitty fanfiction written by an ancient Joseph Smith/L Ron Hubbard that involved piecing together different religions and sects that mohammed ( being an uneducated pleb ) didn't understand. The Holy Spirit is mentioned in Genesis far predating Christianity. You being uneducated in the source texts that form your Arabian Moon Goddess worship faith does I suppose make you a lot like mohammed. The perfect Muslim, heart open to Iblis, heart closed to Allah.

            I know who you are. You're tubby that lies and shills every fricking thread

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Thanks, no need to read further.
            What's the point of starting Islamic threads here when almost every single Muslim simply runs away like their b***h leader mohamet running away from the meccans when challenged. Tougher to defend Islam when you don't have a mullah telling everyone not to question the word of God.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >b***h leader mohamet running away from the meccans when challenged
            Muhammad conquered Mecca without bloodshed, you insecure, tiny dicked, pigskinned, lying wienersucker

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >mohamet
            You're a fricking spancuck!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Or at least a euro. That explains a lot

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The Hegira is literally the founding cuckoldry myth of Islam. Running away like a b***h because you can't actually defend your " faith " as it's built on mohamet, the one deceived by Iblis in the exact manner warned against hundreds of years earlier by the church fathers and the tanakh.

            Jesus isn't God any more than I am

            Christ is the Messiah and mohamet is on his knees right now deep throating Shaitan in jahim.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            JESUS
            >JESUS
            JESUS
            Jesus has nothing to do with you. You can't even talk to people in real life. English isn't your first language, this is all just practice for you, isn't it?
            Jesus is God. Kek

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Hostia un maricón

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why can you not defend Shaitans toilet slave? Why do you resolve to insults instead of addressing the points.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sí eres un puto español
            Ya lo sabía
            Go worship your Jesus and insult his brother, Christcuck. Jesus(pbuh) has nothing to do with filthy ignorant Christcucks that blaspheme in his name

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's a good thing the quran repeats that God has no son every 3 lines, otherwise you might have to actually learn something about your faith which in turn would weaken it.
            God does not fear truth for he is truth, Iblis demands the blood of those who abandon him for God.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's good for you. Now answer my question. Or do you just wanna make yourself feel good?
            I'm not fricking leaving this thread

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What question? I don't speak Spanish if that's what you mean

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >He says that he is God multiple times
            Give me a few examples. Not stretching the "son of God" but saying "I am God"

            You keep saying Jesus is God, and you represent him by insulting other religions that don't insult Jesus
            What are you doing? Other evangelicals focus on the stray. You're hell bent on taking down Islam yourself, like a stuck schizo
            So you really think you're making the world a better place in Jesus name?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus is God, God made flesh. Do you want to start with the classic Mohammedian cope of God not entering the world ( contradicted by the qurans tale of Musa and the burning bush?
            If you want Biblical justification then there is plenty

            " If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? "

            But let me guess, the Bible has been corrupted and God intentionally tricked everyone for 600 years...which goes against the directly revealed nature of God from the prophets. Iblis is the great deceiver, his nature is deceit. God by his nature is incapable of lies.

            >" If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

            Now I know this requires a bit more thinking than verses from the quran. There really should be a Bible for Muslims in the style of the quran that repeats simple points 100 times to make it crystal clear without any need for thought or question.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >There really should be a Bible for Muslims
            It's called the Quran, shit for brains. Why don't you make another version of the bible for us? Jesus will tell you what to say, if you BELIEVEEEEEE
            I'm still here, c**t. I won't tire out, inshallah

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus tells us to believe him, Mohammed tells us to believe him. Taking away the divinity of Christ, he is a coherent well documented historical figure supported by the prophecies and both Christian and non Christian accounts. Meanwhile in order to believe the word of Mohammed you have to adopt the position that God would intentionally deceive his people ( something only Iblis is capable of, as it is the nature of Iblis ) and that he did and every single other source is incorrect, but Mohammed who backtracked on the “ word of God “ and changed it as it suited him was correct and honest. The problem with Islam is that in order to believe Mohammed you have to reject the God of Abraham that revealed himself to the prophets.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >God would intentionally deceive his people
            I understand that this is a point of frustration for you. But I'll give you an argument, and a verse that compares Jesus to Adam. And people deceive their own kids all the time, imagine the kind of lies you'd tell Alexa (a human creation)
            Jesus is an important figure here on planet earth. Outside of our solar system, would random planets and galaxies be expected to worship the Father, or Jesus? Would nebula whatever a trillion light years away wonder about Jesus, or Muhammad, or any of us? Or would it just answer to the ultimate Lord anyhow?
            We revere Muhammad and Jesus for the same reason. They carried a message to us that wouldn't have reached us if God didn't allow it

            >In God’s eyes Jesus is just like Adam: He created him from dust, said to him, ‘Be’, and he was.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >And people deceive their own kids all the time, imagine the kind of lies you'd tell Alexa (a human creation)
            And I'm not saying this is the green light for deception. But God will not force the truth upon someone that wants to go to the magic show
            Besides, Jacob deceived Esau and took his birthright for a bowl of soup in the Bible, so why is it bad in the Quran, but not the Bible? Joseph falsely accused his brothers of being spies so he could let them deceive themselves into giving him Benjamin, like they threw him into a well earlier

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Of course God doesn’t force truth upon anyone. He exists as truth and any who reject him reject him of their own free will, given to them by God.
            As for your second paragraph, I specifically kept it limited to God, to avoid diving into all the times Mohammed lied. Which wouldn’t be productive. Let’s try and keep it to the nature of God, because if we can agree on that the rest falls into place.

          • 1 year ago
            sage

            >all the times Mohammed lied
            Now you're beginning to piss me off.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus isn't God any more than I am

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Mark 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
          Jesus doesn’t seem to mind people worshipping him

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus doesn’t seem to mind people worshipping him
            Did he tell you that?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He says that he is God multiple times in the New Testament so yes he’s fine with worship unless you believe that we should not worship God.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >He says that he is God multiple times
            Give me a few examples. Not stretching the "son of God" but saying "I am God". If it's multiple times, give me a couple of examples

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”
            >John 14:8-10 Philip says to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us”. Jesus says to him, “Am I with you[a] all for so long a time, and you[b] have not known[c] Me, Philip?— the one having seen Me has seen the Father. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? I am not speaking the words which I am saying to you[d] from Myself, but the Father abiding in Me is doing His works.”
            So when will you be converting

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >So when will you be converting
            Is that your endgoal? We all know it's you and another dumbass. You with your high school debate class bullcrap, and him with his constant copy pasta
            Muslims already consider ourselves Christians. We also consider ourselves the closest to the 12 sons of Israel, and to Moses

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Muslims already consider ourselves Christians.
            And in case you think I'm just arguing and debating you so I can get first prize, here's my source

            >O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
            Helpers here is Ansar. It shares the same root as Nasara, meaning Nazarenes

            >{Moses said} "And ordain for us that which is good, in this life and in the Hereafter: for we have turned unto Thee." He said: "With My punishment I visit whom I will; but My mercy extendeth to all things. That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and practise regular charity, and those who believe in Our signs;-
            Turned to thee in Arabic here is Hudna, which shares the root with Yehud, which means israelite

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Well then as follower of our Lord you should have qualms accepting his divinity

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    "For if the righteous man is God's son, he will help him,
    and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries.
    [19] Let us test him with insult and torture,
    that we may find out how gentle he is,
    and make trial of his forbearance.
    [20] Let us condemn him to a shameful death,
    for, according to what he says, he will be protected."

    [21] Thus they reasoned, but they were led astray,
    for their wickedness blinded them,
    [22] and they did not know the secret purposes of God,"
    Book of Wisdom 2

    "they pierced my hands and my feet.
    17All my bones are on display;
    people stareand gloat over me.
    18They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lotsfor my garment.

    19But you,Lord, do not be far from me.
    You are my strength;come quicklyto help me.
    20Deliver me from the sword,
    my precious lifefrom the power of the dogs.

    For he has not despisedor scorned
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
    he has not hidden his facefrom him
    but has listened to his cry for help." - from Psalm 22

    "And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain." -- Quran

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >"they pierced my hands and my feet.
      >17All my bones are on display;
      >people stareand gloat over me.
      >18They divide my clothes among them
      >and cast lotsfor my garment.

      So you're saying the speaker of Psalm 22 was crucified

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No because he didnt die: "He has listened to his cry for help,"

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The speaker was crucified and yet still heard, so raised from the dead
          quran is wrong since it says "they slew him not nor crucified him"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            u can interpret it that way too, i just wanted to show the source wasnt from gnostics or doceticists or whatever

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            except it is objectively from the gnostics if you compare sources, especially considering how many other gnostic sources are used in the quran. the man in psalm 22 cannot be crucified and his cry heard unless he was raised from the dead. your religion is false unfortunately

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The man in Psalm 22 cries to be saved from death, specifically, hes already suffering. But i acknowledge this can both apply to the resurrection or him not actually dying

            Forget about Christian sources, there are non Christian sources that confirm the historicity of the crucifixion as well. The only way Islam has managed to survive for so long is that its followers are intentionally taught to ignore any contradictory or questionable stances. Islam completely falls apart under scrutiny, which is why it is obviously not the truth, let alone the word of God.

            "But it appeared so unto them" -- the Quran verse in question

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The Quran isn't reliable as source as it directly contradicts itself, and as early Islamic history itself attests, it is not the Quran of Mohammed. The warriors who had memorized the Quran had died out post 633 and Islam consolidated the many different version of the Quran still remembered by Muslims into one text arbitrarily without divine guidance.
            The historicity of the Quran is enough to disprove it, but it's much more effective to actually point out the contradictions. Muslims flee as soon as you begin pointing out the bullshit as they are taught to not engage or question any of those sections.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What the frick is this pseudo-intellectual shit? Your "contractions" are water being in conflict with dust
            You're a dumb frick, and it doesn't matter how polysyllabic you get

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Quran is a random retelling of various israeli, Christian, Gnostic, mythology writings. Once you read it you notice it's all picked up from random places around the area.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      monotheism and developing civilization in a nutshell

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Most of those stories can be traced back to obscure prophecies in the Bible

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Forget about Christian sources, there are non Christian sources that confirm the historicity of the crucifixion as well. The only way Islam has managed to survive for so long is that its followers are intentionally taught to ignore any contradictory or questionable stances. Islam completely falls apart under scrutiny, which is why it is obviously not the truth, let alone the word of God.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Islam completely falls apart under scrutiny,
      Islam never said that 3 is 1, morono

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're right, because Islam is a shitty fanfiction written by an ancient Joseph Smith/L Ron Hubbard that involved piecing together different religions and sects that mohammed ( being an uneducated pleb ) didn't understand. The Holy Spirit is mentioned in Genesis far predating Christianity. You being uneducated in the source texts that form your Arabian Moon Goddess worship faith does I suppose make you a lot like mohammed. The perfect Muslim, heart open to Iblis, heart closed to Allah.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >there are non Christian sources that confirm the historicity of the crucifixion as well.

      Tacitus and Josephus reports are worth less than dog shit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Talmud, Pliny, Suetonius, the letters of Tiberius ( Roman emperor ) to a Parthian king, among others. Also more recent discoveries like the Dead Sea scrolls corroborating the state of the region at the time. This isn’t anywhere near all of them, the historical record for Jesus and his death are crystal clear even if you argue he isn’t divine.
        The problem of course is that this either means that Mohammed was lying, or God intentionally deceived his faithful followers for hundreds of years, which goes directly against the self revelation of God in regards to his nature. Shaitans essence is deceit, God is truth.
        I shouldn’t have insulted your faith earlier, but Mohammed was truly a bad man who twisted the previously given word of God. You believe in the same one true God of Abraham, but you have been given a corrupted reflection of him.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          "The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satanworks. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wondersthat serve the lie,10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing.They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

          11For this reason GOD SENDS THEM A POWERFUL DELUSIONSO THAT THEY WILL BELIEVE THE LIE12and SO that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Is this supposed to be a gotcha? The second paragraph is linked to the presupposition of the first paragraph which states that these people freely rejected the truth.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Same applies to the israelites who rejected the truth, God made them believe that Jesus died, so they thought he couldnt be the Messiah

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No he did not. It was prophesied far before Jesus ( probably most clearly in Isiah 53 ) that the Messiah would be rejected by the majority of the world, but he would suffer and die for the entirety of the world regardless.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No he did not. It was prophesied far before Jesus ( probably most clearly in Isiah 53 ) that the Messiah would be rejected by the majority of the world, but he would suffer and die for the entirety of the world regardless.

            In case you are interested.
            2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
            and like a root out of dry ground.
            He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
            nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
            3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
            a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
            Like one from whom people hide their faces
            he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
            4 Surely he took up our pain
            and bore our suffering,
            yet we considered him punished by God,
            stricken by him, and afflicted.
            5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
            he was crushed for our iniquities;
            the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
            and by his wounds we are healed.
            6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
            each of us has turned to our own way;
            and the Lord has laid on him
            the iniquity of us all.
            7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
            yet he did not open his mouth;
            he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
            and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
            so he did not open his mouth.
            8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
            Yet who of his generation protested?
            For he was cut off from the land of the living;
            for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
            9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
            and with the rich in his death,
            though he had done no violence,
            nor was any deceit in his mouth.
            10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
            and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
            he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
            and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. (1/2)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No he did not. It was prophesied far before Jesus ( probably most clearly in Isiah 53 ) that the Messiah would be rejected by the majority of the world, but he would suffer and die for the entirety of the world regardless.

            [...]
            In case you are interested.
            2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
            and like a root out of dry ground.
            He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
            nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
            3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
            a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
            Like one from whom people hide their faces
            he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
            4 Surely he took up our pain
            and bore our suffering,
            yet we considered him punished by God,
            stricken by him, and afflicted.
            5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
            he was crushed for our iniquities;
            the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
            and by his wounds we are healed.
            6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
            each of us has turned to our own way;
            and the Lord has laid on him
            the iniquity of us all.
            7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
            yet he did not open his mouth;
            he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
            and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
            so he did not open his mouth.
            8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
            Yet who of his generation protested?
            For he was cut off from the land of the living;
            for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
            9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
            and with the rich in his death,
            though he had done no violence,
            nor was any deceit in his mouth.
            10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
            and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
            he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
            and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. (1/2)

            11 After he has suffered,
            he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
            by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
            and he will bear their iniquities.
            12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
            and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
            because he poured out his life unto death,
            and was numbered with the transgressors.
            For he bore the sin of many,
            and made intercession for the transgressors.
            (2/2)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I shouldn’t have insulted your faith earlier,
          >but Mohammed was truly a bad man who twisted the previously given word of God.
          You simply cannot keep yourself from what you do. Apologize for something while you continue to do it. And you will never stop, like a gambling addict

          Say, "Hey, disbelievers. I do not worship what you worship. Nor do you worship what I worship... To you is your religion, and to me is my religion"

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity is an incredibly simplistic cosmology that even the dumbest and most intellectually challenged can grasp. However, it was still too complicated for the poo skin peoples of the east. Therefore in his infinite wisdom, Mohamed created Islam, and even more dumbed down and simple version of the cosmology so that the message of god could reach those cursed and disabled peoples who wouldn't be able to understand any other way.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hello Satan. I have to say that you are moronic as you have clearly never heard about the chain of being, middle Platonist influence on the NT, and Gnosticism. Please, go frick yourself. 🙂

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Orthodox Christians also pray like that even so there was only one occasion where Jesus prayed by prostrating

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Catholics also do this, but usually it’s only seen among the priests. Not bowing like the Muslims do, but a full on to the ground prayer.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, that's called going to sleep. He's even got a pillow! awww

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and he was helped up and down from that position as well...because it's a fricking 70 year old man

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Has he thought of not making himself suffer needlessly? Besides, his sins are forgiven anyways...

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Besides, his sins are forgiven anyways...
            That's not how it works. And gay people are not excluded from God's love and care. Treating them with a firm love ( the concept of love being intrinsically linked to truth ) that lets them know that they are also children of God, but that their urges are sinful and debased. This is no different from the teaching of God to unmarried men and women, we are not to even look upon each other with lust.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >And gay people are not excluded from God's love and care
            The next pope will extend God's love and care even more, to transgenders and then to pedophiles. Oh, and transgender kids

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >transgenders and then to pedophiles. Oh, and transgender kids
            God already loves them and has loved them. He loves all his children deeply, even those deceived by Satan and the door to their repentance and union with his is left open. Whether or not they repent and follow the word of God is up to them. But to claim that God does not love them is ridiculous.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >But to claim that God does not love them is ridiculous.
            Who has said that besides you? Transgender kids are great!

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Classic Muslim, can’t argue theology so he resorts to attacks. Your YouTuber Muslim bros didn’t prepare you well enough.

    • 1 year ago
      sage

      >Classic Muslim, can’t argue theology so he resorts to attacks
      And what the frick have you been doing, you dumb blind troony c**t?

      >I shouldn’t have insulted your faith earlier,
      >but Mohammed was truly a bad man who twisted the previously given word of God.
      You simply cannot keep yourself from what you do. Apologize for something while you continue to do it. And you will never stop, like a gambling addict

      Say, "Hey, disbelievers. I do not worship what you worship. Nor do you worship what I worship... To you is your religion, and to me is my religion"

      >>but Mohammed was truly a bad man who twisted the previously given word of God.

      >all the times Mohammed lied
      Now you're beginning to piss me off.

      >>all the times Mohammed lied
      You're not worth the (You)s you get, white trash

  13. 1 year ago
    sage

    Guess what, lard ass? Every time you start your shit, and then throw away any truth you don't like and repeat your fricking insults, I'll go ahead and do what needs to be done, God willing

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    sage

    And never will the israelites or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I don't disapprove of you. I am stating that the man who founded your religion lied to you and mislead you for his own gain. Misrepresented God in order to convince uneducated pagans to join his armed conquest.
      Muhammed is not God, Muhammed is not a prophet. Pray to Allah, pray using the old prayers, not the Iblisian mockery of Islam. Venerate the one true God above all and ask for revelation and he will move your heart in sincerity.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What's ironic is that those statements are true for you and not for me. Do you know about the council of Nicea?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Bruh your Islamic facebook pics only work on uneducated Muslims who haven't touched the Tanakh or Old Testament. Genesis literally open with the Holy Spirit. I have read the Quran, you should do the same with both the Tanakh and the Bible. At the very least so you can learn more about the origins of your faith.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I asked if you know the council of Nicea. Kvetching about my pics or my prophet is NOT an answer

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I asked if you know the council of Nicea.
            No shit? The picture is false, the idea that the Christian cross, the fish, The Holy Trinity etc were instituted at the Council is literally just an uneducated take on history. Maybe read some Athiests historians about the history of early Christianity if you want some " unbiased " sources.

            Also, I've been giving you specifics from your own book. You've only been twisting the one verse you were able to fully read, into an insult
            You're a terrible fricking follower of Christ
            What's the fricking council of Nicea?

            >Also, I've been giving you specifics from your own book. You've only been twisting the one verse you were able to fully read, into an insult
            >You're a terrible fricking follower of Christ
            Ah yes, taking the word of God for what it is constitutes twisting to you. But Mohammed walking into a cave and coming out claiming to have spoken to an angel that told him actually everyone has been wrong this whole time, all the texts and faiths have been corrupted, and my contradictory revelation, which he backtracked and changed to suit him is the word of God.
            It's just incredibly weak. At the end of the day any person who studies Islam or reads the Quran runs into the same problem. The problem of Mohammed being an obvious grifter on par with Joseph Smith ( but Smith knew scripture better than Mohammed did )

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >literally just an uneducated take on history
            Why don't you go meet me on the "Muhammad didn't exist" and "Jesus blah blah blah" threads?
            Nothing exists. All history that you don't know is false
            But again, it's not false. You worship the sun, and you don't even care. Keep compensating

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Frick off Satan, no room for you here

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Frick off Satan, no room for you here
            That's why you're a coward. There's room for Satan, he's a creature of God

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Correct, and he chose to separate himself from God for all eternity and wage war on his creation. His reward is eternal damnation, the reward of his followers is eternal damnation. Begone.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Also, I've been giving you specifics from your own book. You've only been twisting the one verse you were able to fully read, into an insult
            You're a terrible fricking follower of Christ
            What's the fricking council of Nicea?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I am stating that the man who founded your religion lied to you and mislead you for his own gain. Misrepresented God in order to convince uneducated pagans to join his armed conquest.
        This is literally Constantine, and you are the pagan

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    Sun worshipper. You worship the same trinity every other pagan worshipped, but you're lower than them
    Because they KNEW they were pagans, and didn't go around calling Monotheists pagans. The fricking compensation

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity 2022
    Let's see what happens 10 years from now

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > Anglican
      > Christianity

      kek, Anglicanism is literally the closest Christian sect spiritually to Islam. Also created by a man who wanted to leverage religion for temporal gain.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Anglicanism is literally the closest Christian sect spiritually to Islam
        You're gonna need to explain this one, Plato. Or is lying just a habit of yours? Are you antisocial?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It’s very simple. Mohammed created Islam to gather an early following and then used his following to further his own temporal gains. The King of England wanted to divorce his wife and remarry a new woman, the church said no because you cannot remarry after swearing in front of God and inviting him into your union. So the King of England said frick this and made his own religion. That is Anglicanism. From the very first moment it was corrupt. Seeing its fruits now is not a surprise.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So again, they're wrong just because they don't believe what you believe

            >then used his following to further his own temporal gains
            Why am I getting the feeling you've been spoonfed this phrase? You keep repeating the exact same phrase...

            >the church said no
            > the King of England said frick this and made his own religion.
            And this is the same as a merchant that was respecting in his tribe receiving Revelation regarding a religion he knew almost nothing about how?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >So again, they're wrong just because they don't believe what you believe
            No, Muhammed is a liar because his we have a full historical record disproving his claims. The King was also wrong. He didn't claim to receive divine revelation, he simply latched onto Protestantism so he could ignore the teaching of the unbroken holy church as he pleased. That's why he made his own faith rather than adopting another Protestant faith.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >because his we have a full historical record disproving his claims
            What record is this, exactly? And you've lied in saying
            >I have read the Quran
            >My belief is Vedanta (in a previous conversation. Your "sealed heart" conversation)
            >Muhammad is a liar (Which is an insult, especially to a prophet)
            Give me proof

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Islam claims the corruption of old texts/faiths. The historical record exists that objectively disproves this claim. Muslims are unironically on American Evangelical levels, God putting dinosaur bones into the ground to trick/test us kek.

            >>My belief is Vedanta (in a previous conversation. Your "sealed heart" conversation)
            Had to google this but are you implying im an Indian?

            >Muhammad is a liar (Which is an insult, especially to a prophet)
            Before I do, do you believe that the word of God is perfect and unchangeable?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The historical record exists that objectively disproves this claim.
            Literally all historians and normal, non-schizos disagree with you when you say the Council of Nicea never happened. They also almost all disagree with you that the Quran has been "objectively disproven", except some fringe writers which exist everywhere

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > post facebook boomer tier muslim pic
            > state that the facebook tier pic is making shit up
            > YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCIL OF NICEA HAPPENED

            lmao

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Wait, you think the council of nicea only exists on pictures that get uploaded to Oyish? Meanwhile you spout off your nonsense that always reminds me of my high school days?
            Dumb c**t

            https://www.britannica.com/event/First-Council-of-Nicaea-325

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I am legitimately stunned. Are you fricking Somalian. Your reading comprehension is absolutely abysmal even for a Muslim.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You're saying the encyclopedia is also wrong? And now I'm Somalian, and MY reading comprehension is bad?
            Of course you're stunned, homosexual. This conversation is training for you, and a pastime for me
            Lick my butthole

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Good luck on the next boat raid Captain Abdi

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So the council of Nicea happened in 325, 300 years after your Christ that you worship. Before that, he was a created being.
            Constantine the Sun Worshipped reformed your religion for you, paganboy
            Keep idealizing yourself, when you've always been a culture of cuckolds. Lucky, you're the exception. What you don't know is that some people do read this, and one of them may actually know his shit
            Fricking high schooler

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Thankfully for me, anyone who can access this website can also access a search engine to read the historical record for themselves. Islam falls apart under scrutiny. God is the truth and fears no scrutiny. You didn't represent your religion very well, can't really imagine that anybody on the fence/neutral came away thinking more of Islam after reading your writing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Thankfully for me, anyone who can access this website can also access a search engine to read the historical record for themselves. Islam falls apart under scrutiny. God is the truth and fears no scrutiny. You didn't represent your religion very well, can't really imagine that anybody on the fence/neutral came away thinking more of Islam after reading your writing.
            You're learning well, my little Christcuck AI

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Again, gospels date earlier than Council of Nicea.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Again, gospels date earlier than Council of Nicea.
            Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post? What are your grades in school? D-?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            idiot, the literal thread is about gospels (OP says: why apostles never mentioned this)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            God, how can someone be this motherfricking stupid?

            >Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            >Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            >Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            >Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            >Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            >Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post
            Did I mention the gospels anywhere in that post

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            either you are blind or you are trolling me

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            OK, where does OP say "gospels"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            again, are you trolling me?
            >disciples never mention this
            only record of disciples we know are gospels and later new testament books. unless you know some other book...

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >only record of disciples we know are gospels and later new testament books. unless you know some other book...

            OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            >OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            >OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            >OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            >OK, where does OP say "gospels"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine this guy coming out of a cave and telling you an angel just told him that all other religions are wrong/corrupt. And then you believe him lmao. Only in Moon Goddess Arabia.

            Jews are more fun to argue with. Byeee

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Flee Iblis, flee the children and word of God.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't leave the thread, homosexual. There's just no more to this conversation. You've been BTFOd, and all you can do is grasp at straws

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You've been BTFOd
            Words whispered by demonic tongue can only speak lies. Once again, thank you for making a fool of yourself, your actions, though indirect may even cause another to follow Jesus and be saved.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Literally all historians and normal, non-schizos disagree with you when you say the Council of Nicea never happened.
            he never said that tho, what he said was Muslim idea of "Council of Nicea wrote Bible" is wrong. Muslim believ that Council of Nicea wrot ethe whole Bible is schizo-tier and hiatorical gospels (including apocrypha) show otherwise
            >But, Nag-Hammadi!
            These ocrypha gospels also claim Jesus was not human and was a divine spirit, do you believe that also?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Buzz off, buddy.

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    Can you /misc/ monkey atheist's frick off and go shit up another thread. The theists are trying to have a discussion.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The vast majority of this thread has been me and Peter the Apostle over here

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    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >look look! islam is based!
      Hellenistic paganism was also masculine, they disregarded womens' rights and homosexuals (dubbed as male prostitutes) were equal to slaves therefore had no rights. And I hate pagans. Soz this might give you some clue about my reactions.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >And I hate pagans.
        That's funny. You are one
        Sun worshipper

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Stop claiming we are Modalists.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care what fancy ism you come up with to cope, dumbass
            The problem with Muslims is they don't follow their religion closely enough
            The problem with Christians is they're addicted to copium, and they worship the Sun. And they worship 3 Gods

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >That's funny. You are one
          >Sun worshipper
          I love how Muslims switch from "Jesus is real because he is prophet" to "Jesus is fake!!! He is baal, zeus, sun, helios, sol, mithra!!!". Either this is mask off or they are inconsistent.
          Also, Muhammad got his teachings from Hanif (monotheist pagans of Arabia).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus is fake!!! He is baal, zeus, sun, helios, sol, mithra!
            Why did you write that up yourself? Why not quote me if I said it, you lying coward?
            Put words in my mouth

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Why did you write that up yourself? Why not quote me if I said it, you lying coward?
            >Put words in my mouth
            because thats what Jesus myth theorists use and you stole that meme from them. Notice the "realistic Jesus" meme you used in the pic.
            Also you called us sun worshippers. you ultimately called Jesus, sun. Similar to Jesus myth theosts do.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >because thats what Jesus myth theorists use and you stole that meme from them.
            Oh, it's another one of your labels. I get it

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >uses same pic as Jesus myth theorists
            >uses the "Jesus is sun" rethoric from Jesus myth theorists
            >gets mad when someone calls him a Jesus myth theorist
            ok

            >only record of disciples we know are gospels and later new testament books. unless you know some other book...

            OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            >OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            >OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            >OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            OK, where does OP say "gospels"
            >OK, where does OP say "gospels"

            again, is there any othe rbook than gospels that have records of Jesus from the disciples?

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    It's funny how the Muslim can literally only argue through objectively false boomer facebook pics. Then when you press them on the specific errors they will do everything to dodge the question. The spirit of Iblis makes his home in the heart of the Muslim in this thread.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      My dick makes its home in your ass

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine this guy coming out of a cave and telling you an angel just told him that all other religions are wrong/corrupt. And then you believe him lmao. Only in Moon Goddess Arabia.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do the disciples never mention this
    They do mention Jesus being raised to heaven to sit at the right of the Father.

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