If he was such a fraud, why havent they found the body?

If he was such a fraud, why haven’t they found the body?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    what a stupid fuicking question by a moron. Do you know what fraud means? He never existed mouth breather. Jesus was an allegory for the sun plagiarized from the Vedas Krishna

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      look the goalposts were moved just as I suspected they would be

      • 2 years ago
        bodhi

        >how could something that never existed be found
        >REEEE YOU ARE MOVING THE GOALPOSTS
        fricking imbecile

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You know there are extra-biblical accounts of him, right? From people who didn’t believe he was god and thought he was just some guy? The historical figure absolutely existed.

      • 2 years ago
        bodhi

        this is nonsense propagated by delusional Chriustcuk frauds. There is no such thing and the ONE thing was presented as such -some letter from Pontius Pilate- turned out to be a fraud. You have zero sources for this because it is a lie

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          >All serious historians are agree that Christ existed.
          No they dont you mouth breathing fricktard. Post any evidence, we will all wait you fricking moron

          [...]
          >Not just that, even the israelites who hated the Christians with all their soul until to this day never denied their existence.
          >look this group of morons hates this group fo morons THIS MEANS SOMETHING
          you are apex tier levels of moronic

          >how could something that never existed be found
          >REEEE YOU ARE MOVING THE GOALPOSTS
          fricking imbecile

          sup c**t? I had no idea about the issue or what scholars think, but you must be wrong in some way the way you reply

          Please refute pic related, I want to know the truth

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Pic from Wikipedia page for Jesus

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            All this shows is that there is a scholarly consensus that a historical Jesus existed, which isn't actual evidence for the existence of Jesus unless you want to argue purely from the authority of theologians who would rather smugly dismiss all criticism of the consensus as "unserious" than actually argue for their position.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      take your meds schizo

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus was an allegory for the sun plagiarized from the Vedas Krishna
      scholars agree he lived, moron

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Consensus doesn’t determine the truth. If it did, then obviously Christianity is false.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    this is a point that can unite christians and muslims

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If he was really the son of god, why does he need humans to propagate his gospel? Couldn't he just simultaneously appear in the mind of all mankind and tell them to worship him?

    >inb4 muh free will

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This, verily. Revelation to all peoples of the world many, many thousands of years ago, since before recorded time, at least. Unless UniversalGod is actually racist and only likes certain ethnicities. And doesn't mind waiting for the missionary/conquering activities of the correct religion.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        God does what He does for a reason. If someone doesn't hear it's for a reason. Picrel.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Prove to us that the Bible is "god-breathed", whereas other religious scripts aren't.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Answer the same challenge for your religion

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm agnostic, forever searching.
            The thing is, you're quoting scripture as if it's 100% certified from God. You can't know that, unless you are a god-like being who was there with those making the claim (to know if they were representing God's mind).
            You will have the same attitude to religious claims of faiths you don't follow.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm a different anon then

            God does what He does for a reason. If someone doesn't hear it's for a reason. Picrel.

            .

            Why can't a deity make known to people after an event the words about it are true?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Quite. Look at the schisms of Christianity. Any help from above? Nope!

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >implying people didn't get help from above
            >implying church schisms were just because of scripture disagreements
            Not a very agnostic analysis

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Implying agnostics are wide-eyed ingenues who can't be sceptical about man-made religious politics.
            You're interpreting Help From Above as a secret message sent to the hearts of a particular denomination saying, "Don't worry guys, you're the true faith." Each denom claims all the others are wrong.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Each denom claims all the others are wrong.
            This is false. Atheists and agnostics have been saying this for as long as it's been convenient to generalize but, minor soteriological differences aside, most Reformed Christians don't claim Protestants are generally wrong about anything important. The average Southern Baptist doesn't know what separates him from a Quaker or Presbyterian, and while Synergists may consider themselves to be Baptist or Anabaptist, Monergists consider the question to be entirely unimportant.
            It's a web of confusing terms and questions, but most are indifferent to the existence of other denominations. One may be a standard Roman Catholic and the other a Thomist Catholic, but both are Catholic and neither would denounce the other.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Fair enough - I stand corrected, up to a point.
            But the multiplicity of confessions must mean that there must be substantial differences betwee many of them. Some I think are just going to be administrative/geographical: the church of A, B, C, etc. across different European polities.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >But the multiplicity of confessions must mean that there must be substantial differences betwee many of them.
            Yes, but that's far from all denouncing all. It's more that a few key beliefs exist and, by virtue of being mutually-exclusive with each other, the denominations contradict, and every positive claim one makes in favor of a certain belief that defines their denomination simultaneously denounces the other through that principle.
            If you claim Object A is a polygon, then you are passively saying anyone claiming Object A is round is lying.
            Then there are points where one denomination went out of its way to condemn another one explicitly and definitely (Council of Trent, Catholicism-Calvinism) such that the other denomination is forced to passively condemn the former by continuing to exist.

            The important things in denominations are the mutually-exclusive beliefs that define them. The number of real denominations are then reduced to only a few, which we recognize because of their permutations.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >But the multiplicity of confessions must mean that there must be substantial differences betwee many of them.
            Yes, but that's far from all denouncing all. It's more that a few key beliefs exist and, by virtue of being mutually-exclusive with each other, the denominations contradict, and every positive claim one makes in favor of a certain belief that defines their denomination simultaneously denounces the other through that principle.
            If you claim Object A is a polygon, then you are passively saying anyone claiming Object A is round is lying.
            Then there are points where one denomination went out of its way to condemn another one explicitly and definitely (Council of Trent, Catholicism-Calvinism) such that the other denomination is forced to passively condemn the former by continuing to exist.

            The important things in denominations are the mutually-exclusive beliefs that define them. The number of real denominations are then reduced to only a few, which we recognize because of their permutations.

            Look up the YouTube channel Ready to Harvest if you want to know what the actual differences across denominations really are.

            https://www.youtube.com/c/ReadyToHarvest

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He does. See the case of Paul.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >If he was really the son of god, why does he need humans to propagate his gospel?
      He doesn't. Even Paul notes how silly the idea of Evangelism is ("By the foolishness of preaching"). It's just that it's the ordained method for the spreading of the gospel, since God's elect will be guaranteed to be saved through it.
      Basically, there are a lot of ways it could work, and God thought this one was the most entertaining.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        God plans missionaries and for people to convert others. He may have planned that missionary to visit India 200 years ago.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >God plans missionaries and for people to convert others
          Yeah, to get the ones he placed ahead of time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >since God's elect will be guaranteed to be saved through it.
        False. Jesus speaks of rejecting those who thought they were in the good books and who even performed miracles and exorcisms in Christ's name. Evangelism does not guarantee salvation.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >False. Jesus speaks of rejecting those who thought they were in the good books
          Doesn't work as an objection. The elect don't know they're elect, and it has nothing to do with performing miracles. Do your research.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Predeterminism is poor doctrine.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Predeterminism is poor doctrine.
            The doctrine of election is purely scriptural. You can object to God's work, but don't bother us.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Where's the body of literally any historical figure of 2000 years ago? What kind of stupid fricking criteria is that? There's graves from last century that get forgotten and buried over.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what are you talking about kuffar the tomb of muhammad PBUH is under the green dome next to the empty sarcophagus of Jesus ibn Maryam

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        next time you try to larp as a muslim, just know that he is called Isa in Islam, not Jesus

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Nah they say Jesus too but u rite in this case cause he said ibn Maryam instead of son of Mary

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they remembered his words.

  6. 2 years ago
    bodhi

    [...]

    >All serious historians are agree that Christ existed.
    No they dont you mouth breathing fricktard. Post any evidence, we will all wait you fricking moron

  7. 2 years ago
    bodhi

    [...]

    >Not just that, even the israelites who hated the Christians with all their soul until to this day never denied their existence.
    >look this group of morons hates this group fo morons THIS MEANS SOMETHING
    you are apex tier levels of moronic

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't there a book or movie where they do, and it results in priests committing sudoku and shit?

    Anyway, I lean toward the hypothesis that they just threw his body in an unmarked, most likely mass grave like everyone else, and the whole bit about Pilate allowing some wealthy israelite to take his body and bury it himself was fabricated. Even Paul doesn't mention that bit, nor the bit about him appearing to Mary and other women first.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Probably because it got thrown into a mass grave and the attending legionnaire forgot to put an identifying bracelet on it.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    exactly because it was a fraud

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You know bodies rot right? How would we even know the body was his if we found it?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If Jesus was real then most likely he was grave robbed and his actual grave will never be found.

      They haven't even found Alexander's grave despite so many records of it so I don't know what OP is aiming at.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think we could just from the bones themselves. To this day we've only found like three or four remains of possibly crucified individuals, one of whom was a israelite named Jehohanan, and we only know this because said remains were in an ossuary with that name in it.

      It might be suggestive if we were to find remains of a body around the Jerusalem area with not only signs of crucifixion (nails or holes where nails might've been on the heels, mostly) but also (assuming this happened and wasn't made up by the author of the Gospel of John) a stab wound around the rib cage, but even that wouldn't be enough (same thing could've been done to any random old frick getting crucified). I think it'd have to be accompanied either by an ossuary bearing Yeshua's name (like that fake ossuary that made the rounds years ago) or the inscription saying KING OF THE israeliteS or whatever it actually said, though I doubt such a thing could've survived the rotting process through the millennia. So yeah, it's almost impossible.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Can christhomosexuals use anything other than Talmudspeak pilpul?

  13. 2 years ago
    DoctorGreen

    >If X was such a Y, why haven’t they found the body?
    find the flaw.. or not.

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