If he was such a fraud, why haven’t they found the body?
If he was such a fraud, why havent they found the body?
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what a stupid fuicking question by a moron. Do you know what fraud means? He never existed mouth breather. Jesus was an allegory for the sun plagiarized from the Vedas Krishna
look the goalposts were moved just as I suspected they would be
>how could something that never existed be found
>REEEE YOU ARE MOVING THE GOALPOSTS
You know there are extra-biblical accounts of him, right? From people who didn’t believe he was god and thought he was just some guy? The historical figure absolutely existed.
this is nonsense propagated by delusional Chriustcuk frauds. There is no such thing and the ONE thing was presented as such -some letter from Pontius Pilate- turned out to be a fraud. You have zero sources for this because it is a lie
sup cunt? I had no idea about the issue or what scholars think, but you must be wrong in some way the way you reply
Please refute pic related, I want to know the truth
Pic from Wikipedia page for Jesus
All this shows is that there is a scholarly consensus that a historical Jesus existed, which isn't actual evidence for the existence of Jesus unless you want to argue purely from the authority of theologians who would rather smugly dismiss all criticism of the consensus as "unserious" than actually argue for their position.
take your meds schizo
>Jesus was an allegory for the sun plagiarized from the Vedas Krishna
scholars agree he lived, retard
Consensus doesn’t determine the truth. If it did, then obviously Christianity is false.
this is a point that can unite christians and muslims
If he was really the son of god, why does he need humans to propagate his gospel? Couldn't he just simultaneously appear in the mind of all mankind and tell them to worship him?
>inb4 muh free will
This, verily. Revelation to all peoples of the world many, many thousands of years ago, since before recorded time, at least. Unless UniversalGod is actually racist and only likes certain ethnicities. And doesn't mind waiting for the missionary/conquering activities of the correct religion.
God does what He does for a reason. If someone doesn't hear it's for a reason. Picrel.
Prove to us that the Bible is "god-breathed", whereas other religious scripts aren't.
Answer the same challenge for your religion
I'm agnostic, forever searching.
The thing is, you're quoting scripture as if it's 100% certified from God. You can't know that, unless you are a god-like being who was there with those making the claim (to know if they were representing God's mind).
You will have the same attitude to religious claims of faiths you don't follow.
I'm a different anon then
Why can't a deity make known to people after an event the words about it are true?
Quite. Look at the schisms of Christianity. Any help from above? Nope!
>implying people didn't get help from above
>implying church schisms were just because of scripture disagreements
Not a very agnostic analysis
Implying agnostics are wide-eyed ingenues who can't be sceptical about man-made religious politics.
You're interpreting Help From Above as a secret message sent to the hearts of a particular denomination saying, "Don't worry guys, you're the true faith." Each denom claims all the others are wrong.
>Each denom claims all the others are wrong.
This is false. Atheists and agnostics have been saying this for as long as it's been convenient to generalize but, minor soteriological differences aside, most Reformed Christians don't claim Protestants are generally wrong about anything important. The average Southern Baptist doesn't know what separates him from a Quaker or Presbyterian, and while Synergists may consider themselves to be Baptist or Anabaptist, Monergists consider the question to be entirely unimportant.
It's a web of confusing terms and questions, but most are indifferent to the existence of other denominations. One may be a standard Roman Catholic and the other a Thomist Catholic, but both are Catholic and neither would denounce the other.
Fair enough - I stand corrected, up to a point.
But the multiplicity of confessions must mean that there must be substantial differences betwee many of them. Some I think are just going to be administrative/geographical: the church of A, B, C, etc. across different European polities.
>But the multiplicity of confessions must mean that there must be substantial differences betwee many of them.
Yes, but that's far from all denouncing all. It's more that a few key beliefs exist and, by virtue of being mutually-exclusive with each other, the denominations contradict, and every positive claim one makes in favor of a certain belief that defines their denomination simultaneously denounces the other through that principle.
If you claim Object A is a polygon, then you are passively saying anyone claiming Object A is round is lying.
Then there are points where one denomination went out of its way to condemn another one explicitly and definitely (Council of Trent, Catholicism-Calvinism) such that the other denomination is forced to passively condemn the former by continuing to exist.
The important things in denominations are the mutually-exclusive beliefs that define them. The number of real denominations are then reduced to only a few, which we recognize because of their permutations.
Look up the YouTube channel Ready to Harvest if you want to know what the actual differences across denominations really are.
He does. See the case of Paul.
>If he was really the son of god, why does he need humans to propagate his gospel?
He doesn't. Even Paul notes how silly the idea of Evangelism is ("By the foolishness of preaching"). It's just that it's the ordained method for the spreading of the gospel, since God's elect will be guaranteed to be saved through it.
Basically, there are a lot of ways it could work, and God thought this one was the most entertaining.
God plans missionaries and for people to convert others. He may have planned that missionary to visit India 200 years ago.
>God plans missionaries and for people to convert others
Yeah, to get the ones he placed ahead of time.
>since God's elect will be guaranteed to be saved through it.
False. Jesus speaks of rejecting those who thought they were in the good books and who even performed miracles and exorcisms in Christ's name. Evangelism does not guarantee salvation.
>False. Jesus speaks of rejecting those who thought they were in the good books
Doesn't work as an objection. The elect don't know they're elect, and it has nothing to do with performing miracles. Do your research.
Predeterminism is poor doctrine.
>Predeterminism is poor doctrine.
The doctrine of election is purely scriptural. You can object to God's work, but don't bother us.
Where's the body of literally any historical figure of 2000 years ago? What kind of stupid fucking criteria is that? There's graves from last century that get forgotten and buried over.
what are you talking about kuffar the tomb of muhammad PBUH is under the green dome next to the empty sarcophagus of Jesus ibn Maryam
next time you try to larp as a muslim, just know that he is called Isa in Islam, not Jesus
Nah they say Jesus too but u rite in this case cause he said ibn Maryam instead of son of Mary
> On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they remembered his words.
>All serious historians are agree that Christ existed.
No they dont you mouth breathing fucktard. Post any evidence, we will all wait you fucking moron
>Not just that, even the israelites who hated the Christians with all their soul until to this day never denied their existence.
>look this group of retards hates this group fo retards THIS MEANS SOMETHING
you are apex tier levels of retarded
Isn't there a book or movie where they do, and it results in priests committing sudoku and shit?
Anyway, I lean toward the hypothesis that they just threw his body in an unmarked, most likely mass grave like everyone else, and the whole bit about Pilate allowing some wealthy israelite to take his body and bury it himself was fabricated. Even Paul doesn't mention that bit, nor the bit about him appearing to Mary and other women first.
Probably because it got thrown into a mass grave and the attending legionnaire forgot to put an identifying bracelet on it.
exactly because it was a fraud
You know bodies rot right? How would we even know the body was his if we found it?
If Jesus was real then most likely he was grave robbed and his actual grave will never be found.
They haven't even found Alexander's grave despite so many records of it so I don't know what OP is aiming at.
I don't think we could just from the bones themselves. To this day we've only found like three or four remains of possibly crucified individuals, one of whom was a israelite named Jehohanan, and we only know this because said remains were in an ossuary with that name in it.
It might be suggestive if we were to find remains of a body around the Jerusalem area with not only signs of crucifixion (nails or holes where nails might've been on the heels, mostly) but also (assuming this happened and wasn't made up by the author of the Gospel of John) a stab wound around the rib cage, but even that wouldn't be enough (same thing could've been done to any random old fuck getting crucified). I think it'd have to be accompanied either by an ossuary bearing Yeshua's name (like that fake ossuary that made the rounds years ago) or the inscription saying KING OF THE israeliteS or whatever it actually said, though I doubt such a thing could've survived the rotting process through the millennia. So yeah, it's almost impossible.
Can christhomosexuals use anything other than Talmudspeak pilpul?
>If X was such a Y, why haven’t they found the body?
find the flaw.. or not.