If God is real, why does bad things happen?

If God is real, why does bad things happen?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

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    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're assuming evil exists apart from that which God defines to be evil.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        gibberish

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >What God defines as good is good
          >God defines himself as good
          >Therefore, he is good

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            gibberish

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        God defined shellfish and mixed fabrics as evil but not slavery. He apparently found working on the Sabbath to be an evil worthy of death but was fine with mass slaughter of baby and infant boys and taking the virgin girls. Nice arbiter of good and evil you've got there.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Shellfish make you sick. Mixed fabrics are extravagance. Sabbath is so you don't fall into materialim and spend some time with your family.
          Mass slaughter wasn't actually carried out. More of a "motivational speech". Those people live to this day. Only people who stuck to their evil ways were actually killed.
          And what's wrong with slavery?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >i wouldn't mind being a slave
            uh huh
            You've shown your hand too soon, troll-kun.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >tranime
            Concession? Accepted.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >can't defend my argument
            >attack the person behind it
            No, my fine feathered friend, I accept yours.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >parroting
            >n-no you!
            Do you see?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > extravagance is bad
            > not spending enough time with family is bad
            > owning another person as property and beating them isn't bad
            Christian "morality" folks.

            > Mass slaughter wasn't actually carried out. More of a "motivational speech".
            Except the Bible says that it was carried out. So you're just coping to avoid admitting that your god is sadistic and cruel. Or maybe you're fine with people omitting parts of the Bible they don't like, in which case we can throw most of it out.

            Slavery was common all throughout history. It didn't involve beating people to death. It was pretty much what wagies do today. Less stressful if anything since there wasn't much to do. There's only so much you can do on a farm.
            Mass slaughter wasn't carried out. Slaughter was carried out. God's instructions were carried out. When we say, "Give them hell", we don't really mean torturing all of them for eternity, we mean that we should give our adversaries a stiff challenge. Same concept here. The people supposedly genocided were even present in later Biblical narratives.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >i wouldn't mind being a slave
            lol
            lmao, even

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Would you really suffer as a slave? A couple hours a day on a farm?
            Slavery only started being exploitative once trade entered the picture. When they were expected to produce a surplus. Otherwise, how is any different from ordinary farm work?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I wouldn't mind being a slave
            These simple words have totally mindbroken you, I can tell.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I am a slave to Jesus, to God, to the Holy Spirit. What's the issue if I render unto Caesar what is Caesars? I should say it's bad because some racists in America gave slavery a bad name?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I wouldn't mind being a slave
            These simple words have totally mindbroken you, I can tell.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Slavery was common all throughout history.
            So what? So was murder and rape and mass slaughter of civilians during warfare. Are you going to defend those too? Your god actually ordered a fair bit of that stuff, so ignore the question because you might actually start defending it.

            > It didn't involve beating people to death.
            I didn't say "beating to death," I said beating. Unless you think beating to death is the only time beating another person is immoral. Is "Biblical slavery wasn't bad bro, you couldn't beat them to death!" your argument? Lmfao.

            > It was pretty much what wagies do today
            Except without the buying and selling human beings as property and the inability to leave the job. Nice dishonesty there.

            > Mass slaughter wasn't carried out.
            You are directly contradicting the Biblical narrative, which explicitly states that it was. Are you saying that the Bible was wrong about that?

            > Slaughter was carried out. God's instructions were carried out.
            God's instruction to slaughter all the infant and baby boys? God's instruction to take all the virgin girls for themselves (I wonder why).

            > When we say, "Give them hell", we don't really mean torturing all of them for eternity, we mean that we should give our adversaries a stiff challenge.
            Except that's just an expression. The Bible explicitly states that the massacres were carried out, and also states that Moses was mad at the soldiers for sparing the women and boys. Numbers 31 is not an expression you dishonest jackass, it's a narrative of an event. Same with the other abhorrent Biblical massacres.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >murder and rape
            Not allowed in the Old Testament.
            >beating
            You specifically can't beat your slaves.
            >buying
            What would this buying and selling imply? Just a change of master. Acting like this is some crime against humanity.
            Wagies have to continue to do their job. They can't just leave. Slaves could also buy their freedom if they wanted.
            >mass slaughter
            The Bible wasn't wrong. It wasn't stating it literally to begin with. What it meant was that the enemies were vanquished. If it were literal genocide, how'd the same people be there centuries after?
            >infant, virgins
            How is this a bad thing exactly? What would you do with virgin girls and infant boys after conquering your enemy exactly?
            >expression
            Yes, it is an expression. Otherwise, how'd there be people left after? You can say war in general is bad, but this happened over a long time. Many wars and "massacres" are to be expected. If I listed every single massacre each country has committed in war, it'd be far worse. You're reading history and history is messy. That doesn't mean it's evil.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >What would this buying and selling imply? Just a change of master. Acting like this is some crime against humanity.
            >Wagies have to continue to do their job. They can't just leave. Slaves could also buy their freedom if they wanted.

            >I wouldn't mind being a slave
            These simple words have totally mindbroken you, I can tell.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            My point is that slaves DIDN'T buy their freedom for the most part. They were perfectly content to live as slaves. The ones that did were entrepreneurial types who in modern times wouldn't become wagies either.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I wouldn't mind being a slave
            These simple words have totally mindbroken you, I can tell.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >You specifically can't beat your slaves.
            Lmao do you copers not even read your Bible? This is such pathetic larp that I find it difficult to find words to describe it. Like holy shit, dude, this is only the second book of the Tanakh.
            >When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The Covenant Code provides a potentially more valuable and direct form of relief, namely a degree of protection for the slave's person (their body and its health) itself. This codification extends the basic lex talionis (....eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth...), to compel that when slaves are significantly injured by their masters, manumission is to be the compensation given; the canonical examples mentioned are the knocking out of an eye or a tooth.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah thanks for mentioning that. If you cause any permanent damage while beating up your slave, the slave is free to go. You need to be careful not to do any permanent damage while beating up your slave if you don't want to lose valuable workforce.
            Great fricking moral argument, anon. You're really outdoing yourself.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Literally knocking out a tooth. That basically means you can't do anything to slaves at all. What sort of beating can you give that even a tooth won't be knocked out?
            Why even bother beating slaves? It seems like a pretty strange thing to do in the first place.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, that passage is specifically there to outline what sorts of beatings are fine and what sorts of beatings are not. You can repeatedly punch your slave in the stomach, backhand them in the face, beat their back with a rod etc etc.
            Stop being such a pathetic pussy and admit that the slavery among iron age Israelites wasn't a good thing™, or bite the bullet and admit that you don't care about slavery.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You can, but why would you? You could still go to the Sanhedrin and get manumission for repeated or unncessary beatings.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >uuuuh ok the laws allowed totally awful treatment, but what if the israelites didn't actually practice it?
            You're a pathetic spineless blob of slime. Disgusting.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It DIDN'T allow awful treatment. Plus treating slaves awful would be a bad idea. They might seek to escape, they might retaliate. There's lots of things that can go wrong. Why start shit when you don't want to get hit?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It literally did. Stop lying for Christ you disgusting piece of shit. And "uuuh it might not be a good idea to treat your slaves badly...." is not an argument.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Laws only define the LIMITS of accetpable behavior. They don't determine what the average person's behavior is. The average person wouldn't mistreat their slaves. Certainly not in ancient Israeli society. Why are you leaving out the Golden Rule? How can people who abide by the Golden Rule not also love their slaves as themselves?
            Lying for Christ is perfectly fine. Anything for our Lord and Savior. Though I'm not currently lying or being facetious.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You literally lied a couple posts up saying that you couldn't mistreat your slaves, you walking pile of manure. Now you're just coping with the fact that the moral laws are shit by saying that maybe the people behave better than the law requires. And golden fricking rule? The golden rule in the Torah only applies to israelites, moron.
            Disgusting lying shit for brains homunculus.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You CAN'T mistreat your slaves. I'm saying if you follow the Torah in full, you won't mistreat your slaves to begin with. Taking part of the law and taking it as a prescription is riduculous.

            >I ask God to reveal his plan for me in my dreams. That way, I know what to do the next day. Whatever he tells me, I follow.
            You homosexuals really need to stop himoring this trog.

            What's a trog?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You CAN mistreat your slaves, moron. Show me where in the Torah does it say that you can't mistreat your slaves.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Define "mistreatment".
            >The strangers who reside with you shall be to you as your citizens; you shall love each one as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am your God.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The "strangers who reside with you" are not slaves, moron. They are free men who follow local law.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I know. But if you are being nice with them, you'd be doubly nice to people who live with you, no?
            How can you follow
            >You shall love your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
            But also mistreat your slaves?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >uuuuh the israelites totally must've treated the slaves well because... they were just too nice
            I'll be honest, I don't think (You) read the Tanakh. The entire narrative is the Israelites acting like total prick with Moses and Aron trying to keep them in line and Yahweh sperging out and constantly murdering thousands of them. This is the sort of narrative that gives you confidence that the Israelites didn't make use of the fact that beating up their slaves was permitted? Are you moronic?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Also, "punished" here means the death penalty. So, if the slave succumbs to injuries, then there is no DEATH PENALTY. Punishment in the form of manumission is still there.

            I dont know any jesuses. I know Yeshua the gnostic Christ

            Jesus is Yeshua.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeshua was a gnostic teacher

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You're arguing like a vegan. You're talking like they do with "killing" animals. Yes, war is messy, but it still has to be done. Defending your people isn't evil. Seeking a home for them isn't evil. Letting them be run over is evil.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You're arguing like a dishonest piece of shit. Nobody said that war is bad, of course sometimes wars have to be fought. Slaughtering young children after they're captured is not a part of "defending your people" or "seeking a home for them."

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What would you do with young children? Sell them into slavery? Keep them chained up? What's your plan and how is it better than God's Plan?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >God makes scheming
            Lmao

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > they had no choice but to massacre infants and babies bro!!!!

            Maybe raise them like any other young child? You seriously think the only option here was to slaughter children? It's amazing what perverse ideas religion can poison an otherwise decent person's mind with. Fricking remarkable.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They think theyre gonna be recompensed for such ideas

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If you raised them, you think they wouldn't grow up to kill you? Wouldn't you want revenge against someone who killed your parents? Not just your parents but the parents of everyone belonging to your race? Is it more just to kill them later with losses on your side or to take care of the problem before it gets bigger?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Besides the fact that a good deal of young children wouldn't understand or even remember what they had seen, justifying child slaughter because in the future, hypothetically, maybe they might one day want to take revenge is wholly unjustifiable.

            Just to be clear, you do realize you're trying to justify mass child slaughter and the almost certain sex slavery of surviving young girls, correct? What the frick is wrong with you?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why wouldn't they remember such a thing? Say some African tribe and slaughtered your entire town and you were raised by Africans. You wouldn't put two and two together and realize what happened?
            It's also not "sex slavery". What should you do with girls? Kill them as well? Leave them to the elements? Girls are less likely to be a risk than boys so they can be left alive. This just proves God's mercy in that he prohibits unnecessary killing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm starting to be happy that satanist israelites are running the world and not you.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Jews believe in the Old Testament. In fact, they exclusively believe in the Old Testament.

            Yeshua was a gnostic teacher

            And what did he teach?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            To reject joobah

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Englightenment is a difficult process. It took me a while to accept God's teachings as well. I was an atheist till I discovered God in a dream while camping.

            To reject joobah

            Why? God is good.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No he isnt people are preferring the rule of satanic pedos to yours for a reason

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I discovered God in a dream
            We're done here.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            personal expierence is ten thousand times more valid than all the writings of a thousand scientists

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Why wouldn't they remember such a thing?
            Do you remember what happened when you were two years old? Are you this fricking stupid? And this "slaughter children because they might do bad stuff in the future" opens a lot of dark, dark doors that you're too moronic to realize.

            > It's also not "sex slavery". What should you do with girls? Kill them as well?
            "The only options are to massacre them all or be taken by soldiers like trophies!"
            Are you stupid? Read your own fricking holy book, the wording quite clearly state that they were to be taken by the soldiers "for themselves." What exactly do you think that means? That they were gonna play tag?

            > This just proves God's mercy in that he prohibits unnecessary killing.
            Yeah, stabbing those male babies in the face was totally necessary. Absolutely abhorrent, thankfully as time goes on this type of gullibility and stupidity is fading.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's not about age. You're clearly not being raised by your parents. And it's not just two year olds. 8, 10, 12 year olds would remember. They would tell the 2 year olds. There would obviously be a rebellion. How is this difficult to understand?
            As for the women, they HAD to be taken in as wives. What do you expect should happen? That they be abandoned? Sold as slaves? Sent to brothels? Marrying them to Israelites was by far the most just option. God's is the source of all wisdom, is he not? He is the source of all justice, is he not?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > kill children because they might do something bad in the future
            Christian "morality," folks.

            > As for the women, they HAD to be taken in as wives. What do you expect should happen?
            Let them live amongst the Israelites as they pleased? Maybe not force them to marry the soldiers who just slaughtered their fathers, mothers, and siblings? Are you this moronic?

            > God's is the source of all wisdom, is he not? He is the source of all justice, is he not?
            No evidence for either of those things, and nobody who orders the slaughter of children and forces women to marry the killers of their families is "just." What a reprehensible human being you are, it's a good thing adherence to religious nonsense like this is declining.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            WDYM might do? Would you not avenge your parents? It's either deal with the problem then and there or wait 10 years so your people can be killed as well.
            >live amongst the Israelites
            That's exactly what they did. Virgin girls were expected to be married off so that's what happened as well. We're not talking about the modern Israeli dating scene. Girls were supposed to be given to men as brides.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So the children of the losers of a war should just be slaughtered because they might harbor resentment in the future? German children should've been mass exterminated in 1918? Are you fricking insane?

            Leaving that stupidity aside, why didn't God just snap his fingers and have them drop dead? Why didn't he say the word and have them simply vanish? Why did soldiers have to stab and slice and crush and maim? Is god sadistic? It certainly seems like it given all the death and destruction he orders and does himself. Did he have more or less of a good time seeing these ones die than David's young son?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This is not society as it was at WWI. Imagine if EVERY SINGLE GERMAN MALE were killed in battle. The question is what you would do then. Modern wars are not wars of extermination. They're one army versus another. Plus some collateral.
            Because they had to be taught to obey God. God gives us instructions that we follow. Every night before going to bed, I ask God to reveal his plan for me in my dreams. That way, I know what to do the next day. Whatever he tells me, I follow.
            I try to, at least. Even I'm not perfect. I try to pray for punishment. That he might gouge out my eyes, stab me in the heart, and other such things so I am not led astray from fulfilling his plan.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I ask God to reveal his plan for me in my dreams. That way, I know what to do the next day. Whatever he tells me, I follow.
            You homosexuals really need to stop himoring this trog.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I ask God to reveal his plan for me in my dreams. That way, I know what to do the next day. Whatever he tells me, I follow.
            You homosexuals really need to stop himoring this trog.

            I didnt even read the next part after that. Woah Nelly.
            Hope some FBIfriends are watching this fella.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Except we know what happened as a result of Germany's defeat in the First World War: the Second World War (which was far, far worse). People at the time knew that it was only a matter of time before another devastating war would bubble up. Completely exterminating the population of Germany would've prevented that future war and suffering. By your own fricking logic you utter moron.

            Let's say Russia were to win their current war in Ukraine. The resentment and anger of Ukrainians after their heavy losses and destroyed, occupied country might lead to another war in the near future, one that could possibly escalate into nuclear war and the destruction of the human species. By your own moronic, abhorrent logic Russia should annihilate the entirety of the Ukrainian people (except the women of course, take them for sex). This is the disgusting shit your worldview justifies.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            My man, this guy is,literally Paul Bettany in The Da Vinci code. I appreciate the effort but he's beyond saving.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            These are premordern tribes with a hundred or so people. Not modern Germany with 80 million people. The dynamics are entirely different.
            But yes, if Germany were somehow the Promised Land, it would justify exterminating or exiling all German males. Isn't that what happened with the eastern parts of Germany after WWII?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >These are premodern tribes with a hundred or so people.
            12,000 soldiers were mustered up by Israel to engage in the campaign. You think the Midianite population was 100? Lmfao.

            And what does the population matter? Is it moral to stab babies in the face and take little girls as forced wives if the population of their people is low? At what population does it stop being moral and evolve into an atrocity?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Modern wars have MILLIONS of casualties. WWII was like a million reenactments of the incident with the Midianites. What exactly is the difference?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > WWII was like a million reenactments of the incident with the Midianites
            So... there was even more destructive potential amongst young Germans to take revenge in the future. Your logic was that killing young children was okay because in the future they might take revenge. That applies on a far, far larger scale to 1918 Germany. So how exactly does your logic not hold? By your own logic, you would've been in support of the slaughter of tens of millions of people in Germany to prevent their rage from bubbling up and causing another war. This is the twisted logic you use to defend Biblical barbarity.

            And again, why did God have to send soldiers to drag children crying and screaming from their beds to be slaughtered by swords and spears after watching their families suffer the same fate? Why didn't he snap his fingers and give them all aneurysms? Why did he command Israelites to do the same Bronze Age barbarity that everybody else in the area was also doing?

            Could it be that god is just made up and used to justify their barbarity the same way all ancient people did? No, he must be the only god to actually be true amirite

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            There's a difference between your entire race being wiped out and a portion being wiped out. Germans also couldn't take revenge unless they wished to be wiped out entirely. The circumstances were completely different.
            As for why we had to do it ourselves, we have to do everything ourselves. We are the executioners of God's plan. We are his soldiers. We can choose to follow or not to follow him. This is why a personal connection with God is so very necessary.

            >uuuuh the israelites totally must've treated the slaves well because... they were just too nice
            I'll be honest, I don't think (You) read the Tanakh. The entire narrative is the Israelites acting like total prick with Moses and Aron trying to keep them in line and Yahweh sperging out and constantly murdering thousands of them. This is the sort of narrative that gives you confidence that the Israelites didn't make use of the fact that beating up their slaves was permitted? Are you moronic?

            The Tanakh takes place over thousands of years. It isn't them being constantly disobedient. Whatever disobedience they had was very human. We face many of the same sorts of disobedience even today.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >There's a difference between your entire race being wiped out and a portion being wiped out
            Huh? What does that matter? Their defeat after four years of death and destruction created resentment that led to another, even more destructive conflict?

            So is your argument now that it's only moral to slaughter children after you've wiped out their entire families and people? When exactly is child killing moral, in your view?

            And again (and don't dodge the question this time), why did God send soldiers to stab and spear babies and children after they saw their families butchered as well? Why didn't he just grant them painless deaths? Is he sadistic?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Child killing is moral when you have no other choice except to kill children.
            Because we are his EXECUTIONERS. That's why he chose us to serve his will.
            He is snapping his fingers and seeing things done. We are the means through which God's will is executed.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >when you have no other choice except to kill children.
            Except there were other choices, for the very least for some of them. If we were to accept your stupidity for a second, at the very least the two year olds could've been spared. If the older children were killed, there'd be no one around to tell the younger children what happened and you could raise them as your own. So even your moronic cope still leaves gross immorality on the table.

            > Because we are his EXECUTIONERS. That's why he chose us to serve his will.
            Except he didn't always send his "executioners" to do child killing when he was in the mood for child killing, he sometimes did it himself. If you absolutely must kill children, why do it in such a barbaric way? Why not use your god powers to kill them instantly and painlessly? Why let ancient soldiers do it?

            Probably because your god doesn't exist, was made up by those ancient people and then used to justify their barbarity and conquests just like any other ancient people did back then. The idea that only your god exists and that only the child killing of one particular group of people was okay is absurd. You're a joke.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >two year olds
            Again, it's pretty obvious when you see that there are a lot of orphans of the same race and everyone has adopted children that something definitely happened. The adults also weren't totally genocided so they could just come back and spread that information. Rebellion would inevitably arise.
            >barbaric
            What is barbaric about execution? God did things when he wanted to prove a point. Such as with Sodom and Gomorrah. They are still at the bottom of the Dead Sea. A sign for the ages.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > Again, it's pretty obvious when you see that there are a lot of orphans of the same race and everyone has adopted children that something definitely happened. The adults also weren't totally genocided so they could just come back and spread that information. Rebellion would inevitably arise.
            Ridiculous cope. Is defending child slaughter a hobby of yours?

            And again you dodged the question of why god conveniently had the soldiers do the slaughter during the conquest instead of doing it himself quickly and painlessly. He allegedly created the universe, you’re telling me he couldn’t have used some of that magic to take out some children painlessly?

            > barbaric
            > “What’s barbaric about stabbing and spearing children after killing their families? What’s barbaric about forcing the girls whose families you’ve just butchered to marry you?!”

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Those "children" would be seen as future military personnel. They aren't seen as children to beign with. What is your alternative?
            Even for marrying the girls, what is your alternative? That they remain unmarried virgins? Just acting indignant isn't an argument.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Again, raising them like you would any other child. If in the future the adult versions of themselves look like they’re gonna cause problems, deal with it then. Maybe ask god for them to accept you as a new family. Anything but slaughtering children. Are you insane? You need to be on medication.

            And your whole “rebellion” idea is fricking moronic. Do you think that the slaves the Israelites held didn’t want to revolt? The Hebrews hated their Egyptian captivity and apparently didn’t rise up. You think they would be incapable of keeping an eye on the children they were raising? You think a mass meeting of only the children you took from the Midianites and a gathering of weapons would’ve gone unnoticed? Are you moronic?

            > what is your alternative? That they remain unmarried virgins?
            Why not? Why not have them do some sort of less intensive labor that a man wouldn’t typically do? Have them make clothing?

            Why are the only options “mass slaughter and forced marriage”? Are you a barbarian?

            You‘re a repugnant person. You’d literally believe that the actions of Adolf Hitler, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Epstein, etc. were morally good if your god commanded it. Just total lunacy. Seek help.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >family
            God himself instructed that they be killed. What would be the point of bargaining? One can bargain with God, but the final instructions obviously were to kill. So, they were killed.
            >rebellions
            The israelites didn't have that many slaves to begin with. If for every israelite, there were multiple slaves, there definitely would have been a risk.
            >virgins
            Why do you think them making clothing is somehow preferable to having them be married and having a family? If I were a girl, I'd prefer to be married than make clothing or whatever.
            >hitler, bundy, epstein
            ANYTHING God commands is just. If God commands it, I would do it. But that depends on having a trusting connection with God. Do you have a trusting connection with God? You don't trust God because you haven't tried speaking to him with the loving devotion of a devoted slave.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > ANYTHING God commands is just. If God commands it, I would do it.
            Literal ISIS logic. But lemme guess, when god tells you do something horrific it’s fine, when they claim their god told them to do the same horrific thing it’s bad? Save it, this same nonsense has been said a million times and every time it’s been bogus bullshit from a schizophrenics who sincerely needs help or a psychotic sadist who wants an excuse to commit atrocities.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not ISIS. I speak to God the Father and seek the mercy of Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
            No, if others do it, that is also part of God's plan. My role is to play my role. If God instructs me to kill them, I will.
            But I have to go now. I need to start with work now. I'm from the Netherlands, by the way.
            God is just. God is good. May God punish the wicked and reward the just. May my back be broken and my eyes gouged if I ever disobey God's Plan.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Check yourself into a psychiatric hospital.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Beating up your slaves in slave owning societies is very human too. If the Israelites were as kind and chill as you wish they were, Yahweh wouldn't constantly murder them by the thousands since the exodus.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's why laws existed against beating slaves. That doesn't mean it was the norm.
            Laws exist against mugging. Mugging is also human. Doesn't mean everyone goes around mugging.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Stop lying you spineless slime. The laws permitted the Israelites to beat up slaves as long as they didn't cause permanent damage.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >That's why laws existed against beating slaves.
            You could beat your slaves as long as they didn't die within a few days you dishonest hack. If they lost a tooth or an eye they were to be set free. If I beat the frick outta you but you didn't die and didn't lose a body part, there's no punishment.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And why exactly would you go around beating your slaves? You can't do permanent damage. Permanent damage includes scarring. So, you could do what? Punch their stomach? Why even do such a pointless thing?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Permanent damage includes scarring.
            Making shit up again. You're a pathological liar.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Have a read from the israelites themselves.
            https://www.israelivirtuallibrary.org/slavery-in-judaism

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Ctrl+f scar
            >0 results
            Lying. For. Christ.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >It is permissible to work the slave hard; but while this is the law, the ways of ethics and prudence are that the master should be just and merciful, not make the yoke too heavy on his slave, and not press him too hard; and that he should give him of all food and drink. And thus the early sages used to do – they gave their slaves of everything they ate and drank themselves, and had food served to their slaves even before partaking of it themselves…
            >Slaves may not be maltreated or offended – the law destined them for service, not for humiliation. Do not shout at them or be angry with them, but hear them out, as it is written [Job 31:13–14]: 'If I did despise the cause of my man-servant or maid-servant when they contended with me, what then shall I do when God riseth up? and when He remembereth what shall I answer?'" (Yad, Avadim 9:8; and cf. YD 267:17). In another context, Maimonides says of the laws relating to slavery that they are all "mercy, compassion, and forbearance": "You are in duty bound to see that your slave makes progress; you must benefit him and must not hurt him with words. He ought to rise and advance with you, be with you in the place you chose for yourself, and when fortune is good to you, do not grudge him his portion" (Guide 3:39).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You've got one vague quote from Job and then shit from the Mishneh Torah and fricking Maimonides? You don't know jackshit about your religion, which is especially funny given how much of a schizo you are about it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not a israelite. I don't follow israeli law. israeli law is only relevant to me as being from the Old Testament. The argument being made here is that God in the Old Testament is unjust. That's all I'm trying to disprove.
            As for Maimonides and Mishneh Torah (which is part of the Talmud), those are the sources of israeli law. What exactly makes them invalid?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Maimonides lived in the 12th century AD you mong. He has no relevance to the shit that allegedly transpired during Moses's time.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Hi anon, I'm Czech and I can give you some lessons in ethics that you didn't learn from your desert demon friend Yahweh.
            The German minority living in Sudety was always going to be a political issue, but we tried to make it work. When it didn't, we forcibly relocated them to Germany after the war. We didn't murder them or their children. We let those who could prove that they stood against Nazism during WWII stay.
            But still, it is considered one of the darkest part of our country's history. One of the worst things we did is absolutely nothing compared to Yahweh's routine commands.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Similar things happened to the Moabites and Ammonites. They weren't all ltierally killed one by one. That's just a manner of speaking. Triumphalism.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Did the Israelites stab the baby boys in the face or did they not? Did the Czechoslovaks stab baby Germans in the face after the war or did they not?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Czechoslovaks didn't HAVE TO. There was a German nation right next door willing to accept Germans who wouldn't later retaliate. If you let them go free, they'd later seek revenge.
            Don't neo-Nazis justify retaliation even to this day? You think if Germans started remembering their history, they wouldn't burn your country to the ground?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            We didn't genocide the Germans and yet they're not genociding us. Anon, I think your system for determining what happens in national conflicts is kind of shit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >and yet they're not genociding us.
            Actually, they did. This is hell, and you are being used to train a low level demon in the art of making people miserable and annoyed.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You genocided them from a part of their original homeland, right? You admitted that yourself.
            They aren't doing anything now because significant resources have been expended to keep the peace in Europe. If there was a state of anarchy in Europe, Germany would definitely have taken revenge.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So what you're saying is that if it weren't for the Marshall plan, we should've murdered all German men, women and boys on our territory and taken the girls as plunder. Top notch morality.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If Germans were likely to attack you again and again, why not? What would you have done instead?

            Stop lying you spineless slime. The laws permitted the Israelites to beat up slaves as long as they didn't cause permanent damage.

            Permission is not recommendation. You can even beat your children.
            >Do not with- hold discipline from your son; if you beat him with a rod, he will not die.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Did we do this during any other war where we had no assurances? No, because it's fricking immoral.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What are you even saying? That civilians were never killed in European conflicts?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            bad faith post

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Show me where Bohemians murdered all men, women and boys from a country they were at war with and then took the girls as sex slaves.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You'd have lots of small incidents like these. I don't know about Bohemia specifically but war brides were pretty common throughout history. You can probably find many such incidents with Romans.
            Killing men in premodern society just meant killing military personnel. All men were military personnel in the tribal era. It's just that one-on-one confrontations are no longer a thing. A war is many battles, not just one big battle.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >men sometimes took war brides, this is the exact same thing as murdering all men, women and boys and taking all the girls as sex slaves
            So you have nothing. Good job, you've once again proven that you're full of shit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You want me to dig up dirt on Czechia? What's the point. But here you go:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Czech_Republic

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ok now read those entries, you absolute moron, and tell me if that applies to what we're talking about. Hint: it doesn't.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yo, I'm not an expert on Czech history. How do I know what Czechs did or did not do. Point is when you SETTLE an area, there are bound to be conflicts with the people there. Did israelites go around randomly killing people beyond the Promised Land? No. Why not? Because God didn't tell them to. Slavs did the same when they settled in Czechia.
            Apparently, this happened:
            >Slavs settled in Bohemia, Moravia and Austria sometime during the 6th or 7th centuries, and "assimilated the remaining Celtic and Germanic populations".
            So, where are these Celts today? Where even are the Germans? Obviously, something similar to the israelites did also happened here. As did most places with modern homogenous settlements. The only places where it didn't happen, society would be multiracial and multicultural.

            Maimonides lived in the 12th century AD you mong. He has no relevance to the shit that allegedly transpired during Moses's time.

            He's providing a commentary based on his understanding of the Tanakh and the Talmud. Slavery was also a thing then as well.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >So, where are these Celts today? Where even are the Germans?
            They're us - we're Celtic/Slavic/Germanic mutts. The Slavs didn't just murder everyone like the Israelites did. That's the difference that you seem to be missing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            How? Isn't your haplogroup or whatever connected to Slavs? That does mean there was much the same going on.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >muh haploautism
            I should've known that you're this sort of c**t.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Every night before going to bed, I ask God to reveal his plan for me in my dreams. That way, I know what to do the next day. Whatever he tells me, I follow.
            >I try to, at least. Even I'm not perfect. I try to pray for punishment. That he might gouge out my eyes, stab me in the heart, and other such things so I am not led astray from fulfilling his plan.
            Why didn't the thread end here? This man is, in a very real sense, not sane.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Dude, he's literally staked ETERNITY on his terrible opinions. He will never budge on anything significant. He can't. The stakes are too astromically high for him.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The problem is that when you literally base your entire psyche and life trajectory on some bullshit, you have to ride it all the way into the ground in order to stay sane.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >God makes scheming
            Lmao

            Say you just went into Afghanistan and killed all the adult males in Afghanistan. Now what do you do with the women and children?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Multiply brad and whine

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So? The children would still grow up to kill you.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But why did I kill anyone you Psycho

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Where are you supposed to live? Nowhere?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not sure if I follow, you want a local gnostic to defend yahweh?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What's a local gnostic? Yes, Jehovah is God. Whatever he commands is just.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ah yes, this piece of desert is mine and mine alone, God said

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He did say. What other place would you advise them to move to? Persia? Egypt? Should they get slaughtered by the horse tribes of Anatolia? The Promised Land was promised for a reason. It is the perfect dwelling place for israelites.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lmfao. I promise you a parir of rocks if you follow me. Holy rocks anon

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Jews didn't go on genociding everyone did they? They only took what God instructed them to take. At the time, everyone else was going around slaughtering anyone they wanted. Only God's chosen following God's instructions didn't get into unnecessary slaughter.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Jews are the least of my worries. Your inprisonment in the throes of dimerge tho

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Christians became God's Chosen following Christ Jesus so the same logic applies to us now. So, it's relevant. Very relevant.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I dont know any jesuses. I know Yeshua the gnostic Christ

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            > extravagance is bad
            > not spending enough time with family is bad
            > owning another person as property and beating them isn't bad
            Christian "morality" folks.

            > Mass slaughter wasn't actually carried out. More of a "motivational speech".
            Except the Bible says that it was carried out. So you're just coping to avoid admitting that your god is sadistic and cruel. Or maybe you're fine with people omitting parts of the Bible they don't like, in which case we can throw most of it out.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Also, it wasn't owning another person. They just happened to work on someone's property. If they didn't work on that property, they'd just have to work on someone else's property. It's not as if the diverse career options that exist today existed then. Slaves hardly ever revolted. Did you ever stop and consider why?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >i wouldn't mind being a slave
            KEK
            E
            K

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Also, hardly anyone could even afford slaves in the first place. Slave markets were also not common. Most were just POWs. I'd rather be a POW in someone's house than in some modern jail.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I wouldn't mind being a slave
            These simple words have totally mindbroken you, I can tell.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            Haha, le epic troll. You know what I'm saying is true. Why deny it? Christian morality is the greatest morality. God can never do evil.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I wouldn't mind being a slave
            These simple words have totally mindbroken you, I can tell.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        God didn't create good or evil he just manifests immaterial forms into material reality and animates them. Since good and evil are inanimate, entirely immaterial forms with no material manifestation they're not dependent on God at all and are actually above him in some sense. God's perception of what's good or evil isn't more valuable or correct than a human's perspective.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >good and evil are inanimate
          How are they inanimate? Good and bad are classification of material happenings. They're not things in themselves.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >They're not things in themselves.

            That's the point. They're not material things, they're immaterial ideas. You can call something good or evil but you can't manifest the idea of evil or good into a physical form and animate it. All god does is manifest and animate the forms from the immaterial realm, since good and evil can't be manifested or animated, only thought of, that means they're not dependent on God, they exist independently of him in the immaterial world of forms, which means his classifications of what's good or evil on material things isn't any more true or valuable than a human's, because God doesn't have any power over the immaterial forms, he only has power over their material manifestations. God can't create new forms or destroy existing ones, his power is only the ability to manifest and animate the forms, he can't change or define them.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They're not immaterial at all. Good is a list of things God defined as good. Evil is a list of things God defined as evil. With your logic, good becomes something separate and transcendental to God. But as God is that which is transcendental, you're just saying God is Good in a circuitous way. We know God is Good, so we must discover God in order to discover Good. And for me, God is Christ Jesus.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >They're not immaterial at all
            You already admitted they are immaterial when you said "they're not things in themselves". Ideas are immaterial, some ideas have material manifestations, they can be manifested and animated, some ideas are strictly immaterial, they can't be manifested or animated into a material form. God isn't "that which is transcendental" he is the thing that manifests and animates the immaterial forms which exist independently of him. Ideas that are strictly immaterial aren't dependent on God, God can't change, redefine, destroy, or create new immaterial forms, he can only manifest them into the material realm and animate them in the material realm, ideas that are entirely immaterial are in some sense higher than God. God isn't "good", if you had to pick one word to define God it would probably be "consciousness" not "good". The immaterial world of forms contains all possible things, good and evil and everything else, God's power is the ability to manifest and animate the forms from the immaterial realm into the material realm, so his character can only be ascertained by looking at how he chooses to manifest and animate the forms. God could have built any kind of world that he wanted, he could have manifested any forms and animated them however he chose to. God's nature and character is defined by the world that he created, not be any particular immaterial form.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Good isn't an idea! It's a list of things God said is good. Evil isn't an idea either. It's a list of things God said is evil. We are Christians first, not Platonists first.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like heresy to me.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil, I the LORD do all these things” (Isaiah 45:7)

          Aight, good to know christianity is false at least.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ok, but if God is le real? Why do bad things le happen?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's a test to see if he'll torture you or not.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because you deserve it.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bad things only happen to heretics and unbelievers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Which one of those was Jesus?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Heretic, technically. As judged by other heretics. He is God's Son, however. So, he voluntarily submitted to corrupt authorities so they may prove their corruption.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If God said murdering your children is good jesuits would stab their sons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I would if God instructed me to do so. Isn't that what the binding of Isaac is all about?

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You forgot to include the details of the hypothetical God supposedly being all knowing, all powerful, and all good.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Gnosticism

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    When I was 13 I started praying every day for god to make my penis bigger. He didn't. Either god is not real, or he wants me to have a small dick in which case frick him.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He sure gave you the shortest stick on the draw

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    allright gaytheist how about I ask you this? what is the eveolutional advantage of the male g spot? woulden't it be more benefiacal for population numbers if the vag was the only pleasure spot?

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Christcucks, why don't you just kill your baptized baby? Seems extremely egotistical not wanting to sacrifice your life to guarantee that they get into heaven

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      ayo new religion just dropped

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing new about it, it's just the logical conclusion of Christianity. If getting into heaven is the ultimate goal of every christian, you'd want to do everything to guarantee that your child does. I.e. kill them while they're still innocent

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Simple. That isn't what God instructed us to do. God instructed us to raise our children, not kill them.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah bro totally! God also instructed to give away your entire wealth and follow him, and yet here we are lmfao.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm devoting all of my wealth to fulfilling God's plan. So is my wife. We only have a small apartment, some clothes, and a few electronic devices. I tried to give up more but that just makes me weak and unsuitable as a soldier of Christ.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Actually I'm starting to think you are a master troll.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm devoting all of my wealth to fulfilling God's plan. So is my wife
            >We only have a few electronic devices
            >I tried to give up more but that just makes me weak
            Kek every time. Every christcuck thinks they're doing just enough 🙂

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            We do as much as we can. So should you. Do you go to Church? What denomination are you?

            Actually I'm starting to think you are a master troll.

            I can't really prove I'm not a troll. No one can. You just have to assume I'm not and carry on with the conversation. Everything is a joke when it comes down to it. Cosmic Trickster, etc.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This hinges on the notion that God is all powerful which the Bible does not even state.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >If

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Polyester shellfish

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If the light exists why is there darkness?

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