If god exists and is all knowing we have no free will. If it's not all knowing, it isn't a god.
If god exists and is all knowing we have no free will. If it's not all knowing, it isn't a god.
If god exists and is all knowing we have no free will. If it's not all knowing, it isn't a god.
God is an anthropamorphzation of natural law. Gods punishments are natural cinsewuences to bad decisions.
Its *like* theres an all knowing god following you around giving you hangovers and emptying your bank account because youre a fuckhead.
Yeah about children dying from cancer or getting raped ? What was their bad decisions in life, huh ?
That's on the parents who were supposed to protect them, not ingesting a bunch of shit while their in the womb and then letting them be injected with whatever the hell doctors want to put into them after they are born.
If you did a bunch of evil crap in previous lives. Like killed and raped . You earned a pretty bad karma , and may reincarnate as a child dying from cancer . You are always getting what you deserve.
If someone raped in a past life wouldn't they be in hell? Aren't children innocent? Hey maybe all these aborted babies were past rapists eh?
Dysgenic cancer prone genetic trash shouldn't be breeding. That's "god's" (nature's)lesson.
the consequences of the sins of others
>but thats not fair!
why do you think its sinful then? of course inflicting cruel circumstances to others, either directly or indirectly is a bad thing
Not insulting the content of your post, but what in the hell happened with your phone's auto-fill option with the word 'consequences'?
The rules of the universe as it operates are God's law. All religions are an attempt to determine how men should follow God's law. The notion that one can receive miracles by seeking his favor is the oldest grift. It just happens to be the guys asking for money who claim they can help you get on God's good side. What a Cohen-cidence!
>. It just happens to be the guys asking for money who claim they can help you get on God's good side
In US, the overwhelming majority of Church money goes on schools and hospitals. Anyway, the Book of Job is a deconstruction of the pagan idea of miracles for god's favor. Christianity says that you will face difficulties in life, but this all will be rewarded afterwards.
well, fuck me with that image being accidentally picked. At least nothing major is there.
>God is an anthropamorphzation of natural law
It works on the inside too. It's the spark or breath of consciousness and the basis for everyone's subconscious, and exists on a sort of shared dimension that is beyond this one. The one you peek at when you dream, and the one your thoughts project from and onto.
A picture on a hard drive can't see itself. But you can see pictures stored in your brain. There's something else going on "inside" your head that probably isn't inside at all, but perpendicular to this dimension. Take the flatland pill.
>cinsewuences
*circumcision
hubba hubba.
thats not her
Would not an all-powerful, all-knowing being be capable of relinquishing said power and knowledge for a certain predetermined period of time?
Checkmate, atheists.
No. Him knowing the future at any point makes the future exits and be fixed.
no it means he exists outside of time, which is a creation.
It doesn't matter. If he knows the future, the future exists.
>the future at any point
Not at any point. And time also exist only relative to our planet (days, nights, sun etc).
The Creator isn't a mater, you can rather call him an informational field. An all encompassing information recording field.
He's learning matter through us and through you. That's why free will exists.
>He's learning matter through us and through you.
SOURCE?
Not if he's 4d and we are 3d or something to that effect, nagger
What are you talking about? Him kniwing the future creates one 100% determined future. The mere act of knowing destroys any choice.
If you a record a soccer match and watch after it has ended, do you say the players have no free will since the outcome is already determined?
Of course he would say that moron, he doesn’t believe in free will.
WOULD.
brap
Clara is the best
The other day I learned that women actually agonize about something called "hip dips"
It's something 99% of men don't even notice whatsoever. Clara has them. She's probably one of the hottest bitches on the planet. Womeme lmao
have you considered that you might be a dissociated piece of him and as such a co-writer?
How is this relevant?
it gives you free will and as God is the sum of all keeps his omnipotence
If god's all-encompassing, the question doesn't matter.
Been there
a butt with two assholes and a ballsack sipping tea...
clearly, there is a god.
it's not love if you're a robot
there's no free choice without sin
There is no free choice because with one true future no choice exists.
God knows the beginning from the end. Only in your 3d brain is this a static concept. Maybe God is more dynamic than you can comprehend
And maybe you're a dipshit who makes zero sense
It's actually the opposite. Infinite choices always exist.
Think of it not 0 and 1, but the result can be anything between 0 and 1.
Irrelevant. All knowing god knows which of the all possible futures is the correct one that will happen.
It isn't irelevant. Your math is completely wrong. You are thinking everything is 0 or everything is 1.
I am telling you that it is a PROBABILITY.
Not 0, not 1. But anything between 0 and 1 (or 0% and 100%).
DOESNT FUCKING MATTER YOU LOW IQ DUMBFUCK BECAUSE GOD KNOWS ALL POSSIBLE OUTCOMES REGARDLESS OF THE PROBABILITY!!!
You are an idiot who doesn't bother to make sure his beliefs make any sense. You might as well worship a Flying Spaghetti Monster with your painfully shitty reasoning abilities...
>Flying Spaghetti Monster
That meme is actually about God.
I'm happier than you will ever be in your entire miserable life, so who cares. Enjoy your "high iq" it seems to serve you so well lmao
No retard. God doesn't know EVERYHTING 100%. It isn't 1 , again.
Literally read what PROBABILITIES are. They are not 0 and 1. They are a % between 0 and 1.
>probability of event A is 50%
>probability of event B is 99.999%
etc.
There ISN'T any 0 and 1. Everything is probability and everything can be affected by something.
>God doesn't know EVERYHTING
Source?
Define "God". Let's start with this.
If god doesn't know ALL, he is not ALL KNOWING and thus not a god.
Define "all knowing", and on what "level". The words we used to describe a deity thousands of years ago may not mean the same thing in common language. To what level of "knowing" would he need to rise to at which time his level of knowledge would be considered "god like" to us? The threshold is probably far lower, while still being profound. Grow up, caps lock maniac.
knows.
all.
You are playing with semantics.
Yes, Creator isn't 100% all and everything knowing. And yes, you are part of the creator and he is learning through you.
Does he know that the sun will rise tomorrow and 3 years from now ? Yes.
Does he care if you do some x or y or z? not really. But since this is an informational field , everything that happens and is True will also be recorded.
Him caring is irrelevant. He knows.
The Crusaders were Kabbalah magicians, that's why they wanted ~~*Solomon's temple*~~ so badly. The Crusaders also led thousands of Europeans to their death for nothing.
Seljuk turks prompted the first crusade when they took the areas south of the bosphorus and sacred alexandrios I into petitioning Urban II for reinforcements. He then made a rousing speech to the clergy of Europe, promised penance for any involved, and such was the crusade. The crusaders themselves were mostly just territoriality ambitious normans.
Animals don’t have free will
Humans are animals
Humans don’t have free will
????
Humans came up with God
????
How do you have free will if you were born a dumbass?
What the fuck kind of table/chair height ratio is that? You sit as high as the table top?
It's clearly eastern europe, the same furniture has been in that apartment for 80 years, it's basically a mueseum and not intended to be actually used
The sad part is is that it IS used, because the person living there is too poor to afford new furniture. Having lived in socialist squalor their whole life, even when the eventual “free market” comes they are too old and closed-minded to realize that it wouldn’t be expensive to buy a new chair and table. They’re raised on simple food bought from the store when it was still locally produced but now it’s all foreign markets - so they keep consooming the same shit (the concentrated juice carton comes to mind)
oh no, why don't they consoom and buy your shitty "organic produce" that will all prove to be carcinogenic in 20 years anyway
she's just a big girl
God knowing what you will do before you choose to do it doesn't negate your free will. Your argument is flawed
It does tho. By definition.
Read this:
No it doesn't midwit.
>God knows every choice you'll make before even creating you
>Knows if you'll reject Him and get sent to Hell before even creating you
>Creates you anyways
You are a dumbfuck. It absolutely negates free will.
Bullshit. It matters when he already knows your ultimate eternal destiny before creating you but creates you anyways even if you make choices that lead you to Hell.
>God is all knowing
Thus he knows all "infinite things". You are a retard.
Can’t read.
If you start talking about infinite you kind of run into a problem. If he is infinite we are literally zero to him.
Less than an ant to us. Do we concern ourselves with the emotions of ants. But that’s not even close. Ants are finite. We are less than an amoeba to an infinite being. Do we concern ourselves with the Chemical signals of cells. NO.
If there is infinite intelligence it CATEGORICALLY doesn’t give one single fuck or even notice us. We wouldn’t even consider us alive.
Sorry
I agree. Like people smarter than me I imagine manifested world to be something like a bubble popping inside infinity. Bubble having some limits itself, causes manifestation inside of it to be limited, therefore possible to be described in our terms. We cannot even pretend to imagine to be able to say anything about whatever is outside the bubble, we do not understand infinity
Come to think of it. It wouldn’t even consider a galaxy spanning civilisation as being alive. If the universe is finite, which it is, it wouldn’t even register the universe worthy of attention.
The being capable or interested in creating such an insignificant thing as a universe would be nothing to this infinite being.
Your God (the one that cares about you or lays down natural law or whatever) is zero compared to this hyper god.
And worship it or not it doesn’t matter your lifetime and the lifetime of the universe are less than a blink of an eye
Infinite is big!
He should have prevented it if he knew.
That is an assertion of what you feel is morally right versus wrong though, not a refutation of free will.
I didn't say it was. It's still true.
foreknowledge of the outcome of free choice doesnt mean no free choice, slaphead.
It literally does.
>Someone can knowwhat i will do
>Therefor i didnt choose to do it
Retard pole
I like how OP refuses to respond to you and the other posters who have said the same thing because they know their argument is retarded
Huh? If god knows the one true future, he knows what you will actually do. Are you guys dense?
Him knowing what you will do is not the same as him making you do something, it's still your free choice when it comes down to it. Stop trying to put blame and others for your own bad choices.
So he knows all choices you will make before even creating you but gives you "free will" knowing those who will reject Him and go to Hell before even creating them but creates them anyways. Holy fuck you are STUPID.
So he should just create those who will serve him, thus making free will pointless. Look man, I'm real sorry you were forced to go to Sunday school as a kid, but take it out on your parents not us.
This moron is still stuck on "god didn't make you do it". NO FUCKING SHIT RETARD. No one's saying that
That's literally what the thread is about ya dummy :p
You're impossibly retarded. Please shoot yourself
Truly profound, thank you for commenting.
It's the same fucko as he created this world, no?
Guess how I know
If God designed you in a way that you will do something, how can he punish you for doing what he specifically intended you to do ?
God knows that we have free will. duh
>God is all knowing and doesn't give a fuck what happens
FTFY
Not my problem the thread
nobody asked for your opinion
Wrong, God (not Christian, but generally) is paradox. It transcends. If there are infinite things to know, they can never be known, but if there is infinite time, capacity, and ability to know them, they must be known. Cannot, and just be. Paradox.
As regards free will. You have it, and you don’t. It’s a matter of perspective.
I'm a gamer. I know what make a God a God very well. Why aren't you?
when exactly do you know you've changed/made up your mind? Did you know all along the choice you were going to make? Or were you surprised to find out how you ultimately chose to settle the question?
Doesn't matter what I think. The god knew what I'm going to do before I was born.
>Doesn't matter what I think. The god knew what I'm going to do before I was born.
because you are he and he is you. you'll always know what you'll always do
They moved the boy's dead body to make an easier photoshoot? Good thinking.
God exists. God is all-knowing. There is no free will. God could become anyone and do anything. God is everyone, doing everything. God is the nagger who murders with a handgun. God is the one being murdered. God is also the gun. God is the witnesses to the crime. God is the video camera. God is the policemen who capture the nagger. God is the court and judge. God is the prison that the nagger gets sent to.
God imprisons God's self for doing bad things that God knew not to do, but did anyway, because God can do anything and is not to be controlled or manipulated, above all - but this makes God mad, and God believes in righteousness, so God punishes God for doing the bad thing.
This is a litmus test for false gods attempting to become god. The source of creation doesn't need to abide by the creator's laws. The true God is infallible and never creates nor provides contradiction. But, if God were to leave behind an explicit set of instructions or rules, and something saw those rules, and thought they could usurp God by following the rules of how to be God, then they'd end up making a retarded nonsense reality (like this one).
But, the true God would still have knowledge of that being pretending to be God, and the true God could choose to punish that being, or to completely ignore that being, with the true God always being self-aware that true God could just instantaneously fix even an entire universe's worth of problems if the true God felt like it, undoing all harms; so the true god could just perpetually be watching the false god's attempts at making the world; and the true god rationalizes to not be doing anything wrong by allowing all this shit to occur because the true god could fix it at any point. So, even the true god must be false for even allowing harm and misery in the first place; or was otherwise originally manifested through harm and misery as a building process to the production of such a "true god", mislabeling harm and misery as necessary to ascension
OP just because I know you are a homosexual doesn't negate that you choose to suck dicks.
What compels regards like you to take the time to write something this retarded, solve the captcha, and post it?
It isn't retarded. It is a refutation of his assertion in the site's vernacular.
Her gear don't go with her crib
God is dreaming the Creation.
>”I fell asleep after masturbating to pics of dead Palestinian children and had a dream that I was sucking off my rabbi, therefore God is dreaming”
You’re a braindead subhuman, israelitenagger
>God gives you free will
>But God is all knowing
>It implies that he can see the future (yes)
>When he gives you "free will" he cannot not know what you are going to do with your free will
>He gives it to you anyway
>Knowing EXACTLY what you will do with it up to your smallest half conscious thought
Also
>When human do good thing is because God designed good thing for us to do
>When human do bad thing is free will, God made us but he didn't know bad thing would happen but no he knew but no it's your fault
I always avoid threads about Christianity because I don't want to cause divide among whites but yeah, this is the point that makes it impossible for me to believe in it. I still love you, christbros
>When he gives you "free will" he cannot not know what you are going to do with your free will
Why do you believe this is true? Just because he knows the path you will choose doesn't mean you didn't make the choice still.
If he knows, there was no choice to be made there. Choice implies that you can pick the other option.
You always *can,* but you probably wouldn't.
Some people will salt their teas instead of putting a sugar lump in them when given the choice.
A person having an immutable preference for one thing over the other doesn't mean that they never had a choice, merely that they will always choose a certain way.
Just because you think that you have a choice doesn't mean you really have it.
Who are you? Who do you think you are?
Do you think you are just a body?
Or a soul/energy being.
You (as a soul / energy being) makes a choice.
Your body (a suit you are controlling) and suit's ego thinks you have no choice.
Choice does indeed mean an option but choice is not the same as free will. Free will is the ability to form an intent for an action. The different outcomes isn't required for free will only the ability to form an intent.
The all knowing God gave you free will and also knows the choices you will make after he gave you said free will. It is both you unevolved npc.
Think in ands not ors
Think Better
>God knows every choice you'll make before even creating you
>Knows if you'll reject Him and get sent to Hell before even creating you
>Creates you anyways
FUCKING LOW IQ DUMBFUCK RETARDS. YOU BELIEVE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU BELIEVE.
How do you "know" what I believe? I'm just stating a fact. If you strike a match, and you observe the flame, you watch it start, grow, and consume the fuel and burn out. It happens quickly, you know what will happen, and how quickly it will happen, and to you, each time you observe this it's pretty much the same. Now, on a microscopic level, there are differences in-between how each match acts, and for each individual match, their entire "lives" are spent as a flame, from "birth" to "death". They did not set themselves in motion, but they do consume what is there, and "live" for their "time". Each the same, but slightly different, again, on a level so small that you, the observer, would hardly notice. To the match, it has "lived" a unique existence, and returns from where it started. I would compare our relationship with "god" to that of a man who strikes a match.
Your greentext is correct. But you appear to be too low IQ to understand that doesn't negate freewill. You are confusing your emotional reaction to God's action as proof there is no free will.
>mutt heathen doing mental gymanstics
>having any impact on God
You understand nothing dumb mutt.
If god can do anything (is almighty) then he can give you free will and be all knowing at the same time. If he can't do that he's not almighty and therefore not god
“If 1 can”t also be 0.75 then it’s not 1”. Nice pilpul. God is the subjector and placer of all. Misapprehension of “free will” is a delusional side affect of your relativity from the absolute.
>midwit Polack doing mental gymnastics in his commie block shitty apartmant after stuffing himself on pierogi and beer is relevant to God
Arrogance of a homosexual, arrogance that blinds you.
>commie block shitty apartmant
Another delusional Balkanoid who thinks he's an American
Isn't it way more arrogant to claim that you can understand God ?
The line between arrogancy and confident.
If you are wrong, you are arrogant.
If you are right, you are confident.
You are put before a red ball and a blue ball and have to choose one. You choose the red ball. If all events prior to choosing that red ball, every bump of every atom from the beginning of the Universe were precisely the same and you were to choose between the red and blue ball 1000 times, you'd choose the red ball every time. Thus, free will doesn't exist. If anything were to alter your choice, as long as every event leading up to that choice were precisely the same, that's out of your control and also not free will.
Imagine existing outside of time, where birth and death would be meaningless, and irrelevant. If you existed outside of time, but could observe time, you could see all at once, and so words like "predict" and "know" would also be irrelevant.
Your brain isn't there, yet. It could get there, or maybe it can't, but your ideas of what could be, and the limits therein, aren't even wrong, they're so far away from the "truth".
I just can't believe how fucking stupid christcucks are
it obviously means free will doesn't exist and everything is an exercise of God's morose and morbid addiction to testing the limits of everything by providing for itself unlimited varieties of potential interactions, inputs, outputs, and outcomes; rather than just existing as "one".
Is that your girlfriend?
Where’s the soup??
>I can tell the future
>Therefore I control literally everything that happens
So if you know there's going to be a football game next weekend did you cause that? Your foreknowledge of that event is the only reason that event will take place? Everyone involved bent to your will by you knowing what was going to happen?
You make stupid arguments and should feel stupid.
Complete retard alert
You are retarded. It's not about him "knowing" for the sake of knowing, it's that your "choices" lead to Hell. If he knew every choice you'd make before even creating you and knew you'd go to Hell anyways, why'd he create you? That's not the work of an "all loving" God.
If he didn't create those people, it would defeat the purpose of free will in the first place.
Bullshit. "Free will" could have been the choice between vanilla or strawberry icecream not eternal damnation...
Boo hoo cry about more lmao
stop worrying about free will. it isn't actually real. the notion of it exists as a lie, and you're supposed to be smart enough to determine truth from fiction, to understand a reason for why any lie is told.
Through this context though, a part of God (someone else) lied to you (another part of God), about free will existing, when it doesn't actually exist.
So the question is, why would God lie?
>when it doesn't actually exist.
OK
>and you're supposed to be smart enough to determine truth from fiction
And how will you do that if things just happen to you, you need free will to do that
ontologically there is a perceptive assumption that free will might exist from any humanly point of view, such as your own, because you did not yet have access to enough information to see otherwise.
As exposure to existence, circumstances, and events accumulate through merely living, any have the potential capacity to start identifying patterns which might suggest foreknowledge is necessary to achieve outcomes, extending that to assumptions of foreknowledge about non-human events such as when and where exactly any given lightning bolt would strike. In that context, it would need to be known for it to have occurred, but certainly it weren't known or predicted by a human.
Reapplying that logic to human events, such as one's own apparent choice of whether to have breakfast or skip it and eat a big lunch later, can become codified that such a choice was predetermined by the entire life of events which preceded it, the least of which had ever lead to you living in that specific home, having been raised in a society of easy access to food, or determining how much expendable money you'll have later on to afford a big lunch. So every choice you make in the now and into the future is predetermined by everything that had already happened.
You got the choice between going to the party, eating & dancing as much as you want or nothing at all.
Can't complain that you're not at the party having fun when you refused the guidelines couplee with the invitation.
>So if you know there's going to be a football game next weekend did you cause that?
You're missing the picture completely.
If you know the game will happen it means nobody has the agency to make it not happen in any way, everything is pre determined.
If you knew what each player will think at every moment of that game it means they have no choice but to think that.
You're going to think what you think. Someone having foreknowledge of your thoughts or actions doesn't remove your free will.
I would like to take this opportunity to say I don't believe God is all knowing, all powerful, and I know for a fucking fact that he isn't all loving.
How about you soiboys stop falling for ~~*modern Christian*~~ talking points and do a little research yourself?
>Someone having foreknowledge of your thoughts or actions doesn't remove your free will.
No, but if you only have one possible outcome it means you have no free will.
There's nothing stopping you from making a different choice expect yourself. If you knew I was gonna rob a bank before I did it would that mean it's no longer my own choice?
>If you knew I was gonna rob a bank before I did it would that mean it's no longer my own choice?
You keep missing the point, you can agree or disagree but you haven't yet understood what I'm talking about and you just repeat that like a broken record.
>If I knew that the bank is going to be robbed
>And if I knew you'll rob it
>And if I knew there is NO WAY that something else could happen, like you NOT robbing the bank
That would mean that you never had a choice to change your mind, so it's all scripted.
If you HAD a free will, I could only "know":
>The bank might or might not be robbed
>He might or might not rob it
So if you had the free will I wouldn't be able to tell the future
>Inb4 but that doesn't mean you decided for me
Kek
>That would mean that you never had a choice to change your mind, so it's all scripted.
You have it backwards. The knowlege of something happening in the future exists because it is a choice that will happen. It doesn't exist because it's "predetermined"
Your premise relies on the idea "you can't make the choice you don't choose" which is illogical. That makes free will impossible even if God doesn't have foreknowledge.
A premise which already decides the argument is a quesiton begging fallacy.
>The knowlege of something happening in the future exists because it is a choice that will happen.
If you have a choice then you have at least 2 possible futures and more, therefore it's impossible to know the future other than listing possible outcomes which are many.
If the future is known and there is only 1 outcome then EVERYTHING is scripted including your "choices".
You sound like, waaaahhhh I don't wanna be responsible for myself and own up to my own decisions, waaaaaah it's God's fault!! :'( he literally gave me know choice!!! Waaaaahh!
What a retard
What a tranny fag
>If the future is known and there is only 1 outcome
Illogical. There can't be more than one outcome. You are just rephrasing "you can't make the choice you don't choose" which is illogical and makes free will impossible even if God doesn't have foreknowledge like I said
My argument stands.
But there isn't no way anything else could happen, I could always choose to not rob the bank at any time. God knows what choice we will end up making but that doesn't rob us of the ability to choice for ourselves. Idk how many more times it can be explained, just say you don't like the answer and go away.
>I could always choose to not rob the bank at any time.
Then god wouldn't know the future in terms of "the bank will be robbed" but only "the bank might or might not be robbed, depending on anon's decision". Since he knows it WILL be robbed, it means you only had one option and an illusion of a choice.
You know what sure man, go ahead and go suck that cock, it was predetermined and make sure you swallow that load because that's the only possible outcome. Have a good one.
>No, but if you only have one possible outcome it means you have no free will.
Think of it as a simulation of independent behaviors that calculates itself on your eyes in a second.
For you, you immediately know what everyone is going to do, because you see it as a printed result before your eyes.
But from the inner perspective of the simulation that has ran itself for a second, everyone still was doing their own choices for ages.
God sees the entire history of the universe just by looking at it. But from the perspective of our point in time, we still were, are, and will be making our free choices.
>For you, you immediately know what everyone is going to do, because you see it as a printed result before your eyes.
No, you don't know it immediately, you know AFTER the choices have been made.
You said "it calculates itself in a second" but say "it calculates itself in a month" - it's the same principle and you'll understand that you didn't know "immediately" or "before" but AFTER the choices were made.
Or you can keep the second but then all the entities did their thing in nanoseconds so you'd have to be real quick.
>and I know for a fucking fact that he isn't all loving
He has died for you and has a prepared throne alongside His, just for you
You know who he doesn't love? Canaanites. Also known as modern israelites.
Know what else the big guy upstairs doesn't love? homosexuals, very likely naggers, people who abuse children though that ones redundant at this point, and can't forget that god more than likely doesn't love OP either.
yes I agree, there is no free will. we are all programmed by our environment, our culture, our parents (reacting for or against), even our language determines the thoughts we can think.
I'm multilingual and I can see how both Poles and Americans are slaves to their dumb language structures.
>2 Timothy 20-22 - 20Now in a large house there are vessels not only of gold and silver but also of wood and earthenware, and some for an honorable purpose but others for a purpose lacking honor. 21IF, THEREFORE, ANYONE KEEPS CLEAR OF THE LATTER ONES, he will be a vessel for an honorable purpose, sanctified, useful to his owner, prepared for every good work. 22So, FLEE FROM THE DESIRES INCIDENTAL TO YOUTH but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace, along with those who call upon the Lord out of a clean heart
It's your choice what kind of vessel you will be.
>(Deuteronomy 30:19) I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against YOU today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring,
>(Joshua 24:15) Now if it is bad in YOUR eyes to serve Jehovah, choose for yourselves today whom YOU will serve..But as for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.”
>(Hebrews 6:4-6) For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, 5and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, 6but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame.
I barely use this site anymore, check in once in a very blue moon, and yet I always manage to see the Russian furry poster
we are determined to be free
our freedom is a consequence of our limitations - biological exigency and our inability to see all the strings
God's selective foreknowledge is only associated in the Bible with free will and the freedom of humans to make choices whether good or bad. Not the inability to see the future but censoring himself from people's individual choices. .
These verses below give people the freedom to choose right from wrong and either obey or disobey.
>De 30:19, 20; Jos 24:15
Here Jehovah admits lack of knowledge of specific individuals or people based on their choices or future choices.
>Genesis 22:12; Genesis 11:5-8; Ge 18:20-22; Exodus 3:7; Joshua 22:22; Psalm 14:22
Here you can hurt God's feelings for the bad choices you make. It is not possible to get your feelings hurt when you knew and allowed someone in the future to do something you WANTED to happen. So it's obvious God censored himself from these people's choices and as a result they hurt his feelings AFTER they committed their wrong deeds.
>Hebrews 3:16; Ephesians 4:30; Psalms 78:40,41; Genesis 6:5-6
Here you can make God REGRET!! Regret is only possible when a certain outcome you expected results in something unexpected. God had certain expectations for people but instead he felt regret after their actions changed those expectations. God cannot make mistakes but those around him can AND DO!! As a result they can make him regret their existence or position he put them in.
>1 Samuel 15:10,11; Gen. 6:5, 6; Jonah 3:4-Jonah 3:10; Jer. 15:5, 6.
Conclusion
Jehovah's selective foreknowledge is based only in free will and making good or bad choices. Outside of that he can see everything.
Jehovah just chooses not to see the futures of individuals BY CHOICE. Its the equivalent of your parents respecting your privacy growing up when they stayed out of "your" room, drawers and closets. Remember that "your" room is really theirs since they own the house. However, out of love and to show you they trust you they gave you your own personal space and let you manage it on your own without them constantly monitoring you and flipping your mattress over every day like a prison cell. They chose to risk you doing something wrong or hiding something bad in there.
God did the same thing. He chose to respect your privacy(future) by censoring himself of it.
God can't choose shit. If he ever knew the future for just a milisecond that means the future is fixed and it exists.
Theres a lot of prophecies in the Bible that God predicted would happen. Some are about individuals and some are about entire nations. God CAN know the future if he wants to BUT chooses not to on a grand scale.
Our futures are set by us, WE are schroedinger's cat. WE determine if we are going to be alive or death. The difference is that God can choose to see inside the box before you open it and see the results yourself.
>God CAN know the future if he wants to BUT chooses not to on a grand scale.
He either knows or he doesn't know and isn't a god. Him pretending to be retarded can't stop future from existing.
Answered
Why is it so difficult for people to wrap their heads around
>God wrote the prologue and the first few Chapter
>God wrote the conclusion
>His creations are finishing the book
Believe on Christ and save yourself before it's too late friend.
Who says we have free will?
Why cant gods not be all knowing though?
Great question. This is the next logical step in the discussion
If he's not all knowing he isn't perfect.
Omniscient is a curse.
Because that's what he said in his fucking book which is canon.
This is how Polish dream looks like. We all chase it, we die for it
>red short dress
>went commando
>seated to show the legs and a bit more
>that look at you
She is in estrus
she is so hot
I hope she has a piggy bank slot type of vag.
OP has no concept of metaphysics or theology.
Distinction between free will and free agency
https://www.monergism.com/blog/distinction-between-free-will-and-free-agency
Also, some go with molinism to show how sovereignty can go with free will, concerning God's "middle knowledge"
There absolutely can an all-knowing sovereign God, with man having free agency.
This is only 5 minutes, I haven't seen it but I imagine he gets into the main points.
It's just an example of how both can work together. Calvinists lean a bit more in the deterministic direction, but again, even with a Calvinistic understanding man still has free agency.
You have to distinguish between free-will and free agency, a lack of doing so is the primary cause for all the arguments on this topic.
Modern Arminianism is a joke, and not even what Arminius believed, go with either Molinism (what Arminius basically believed) or Calvin.
Or better yet, go with Martin Luther, the metaphysical example that allows for paradox.
It's all actually real, and continues to blow my mind on a daily basis Jesus Christ is God who came into His own Creation.
The Artist came into His own painting.
Run to Him while there's still time, it's all actually freaking real guys.
If God is the creator of all things and knows the end from the beginning there is no free will. It’s just a relative perception of will. That would be bad if hell existed but it doesn’t and the judgements of God are corrective (refining). This reality is his process of creating perfect new celestial beings and I’m sorry to break it to you but you will live forever in perfect peace and joy. God will be all in all. 1 Cor 15:28
The paradox would be he need not test us then, but he does. So, square that circle for me.
It’s not a test, it’s an experience. You are on a ride.
If I am God, experiencing himself using me as the observer, yet I have no "free will", it would be a meaningless endeavor. It would be unnecessary.
YOU HAVE FREE WILL BECAUSE YOU ATE THE FUCKING APPLE YOU WERE NOT MEANT TO BECAUSE SOME FUCKING WOMAN SAID YOU SHOULD YOU DUMB FUCKING STUPID israelite.
Adam had free will before he ate the apple dumbass
>God exists
>I created and set rules for him to obey me
grow up, you're some retard polak that no one even likes.
You're not smart or educated enough to discuss anything with any authority.
You'll die and no one will give a shit in 10yrs. Christianity will keep going, and never even noticed you existed.
I chose to reply. I didn't have to. It changed nothing but bumping this thread. I didn't even agree or disagree. I made absolutely no argument. I just am. I've made myself known by participating in this thread. I didn't have to but I did. I have keystrokes because I can. It didn't have to happen but it did. No loss or gain. It just did. Not because I was forced to but because I am.
*Wasted keystrokes
The Unlimitled lacks limits. And need limited being to experience it for him. If you were certain of the existence of God you wouldn't be able to experience your limited existence. Therefore your free will is a necessity for God and do not contradict the fact is Omniscient and Ompipotent.
Try again simpleton.
>If god exists and is all knowing we have no free will. If it's not all knowing, it isn't a god.
Your tiny brain is limited and can't fathum how God gave you free will and yet, knows how you exercised that will.
Come back when you can create a universe and control it at the quantum mechanical level. You highly over rate your Polack mind
This happens because the Creator is above all the Senses, concepts, thougths, because he Created the meanings of the words, he Created time, space and all things, His Will is not your Will , and his thougths are not your thougths
>it
yeah, you're a manifestation of a realtime multi-dimensional stable diffusion model, a running simulation. you manifested from a seed value, aka your genome. some huge amount of storage for this thing, it's down to subatomic particle resolution. has to be alien. but probably some kid's hobby, or a vr game.
deep
It's very simple friends, you have two choices, life or death. There is no point in arguing why or how, save it for when you can get answers straight from the source. Simple as.
your free will exists within a range of possibilities like a field, and, just because God knows what you're going to do does not mean it was caused by God. your free will being allowed by God's free will, does not preclude God's omniscience. he might restrain himself for our sake, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he knew what would happen.
the bible does however say that certain people are /placed/ in positions of power in very specific instances of history, because it is necessary. these people are chosen. many are called, but few are chosen. it's the many that are called who are kind of fleeing from their responsibilities that have the most free of wills, in that they really did decide to do evil instead of good. many times this is the truth, as much as it gets resisted. the bible is right about human nature, and we are inherently evil. we make every excuse, because we can; we redefine what good and evil is, thereby allowing or disallowing whatever seems good for (You).
Omnipresence.
>"I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see them. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth?
Who told you you have free will? Only God has free will.
Why am I being punishes for doing what I was programmed to do?
Because your spirit is supposed to be in charge, not your flesh.
We already established that humans are not in charge of anything if god exists.
You aren't in charge of your own actions and decisions?
just realized that you have 26 posts and aren’t just a 1pbtid fag. In that case I apologize for being so dismissive of you. Still, if you want to understand these matters better, I have given you some sources. I suggest starting with the Kybalion. It is probably the easiest to read and most accessible for giving you a bit of the big picture. All religions have some flavor of the truth, but they are hidden behind volumes of ritual, dogma, mythology, allegory and other horseshit that has nothing to do with spiritual reality, and everything to do with controlling you. You have to strip away all the nonsense and get to the source, which is ultimately fairly simple once you are ready to accept it.
Then why make flesh be able to be in charge? It's like we were made faulty on purpose, like someone failed to do his job of designing us properly.
How are we made faulty?
You are the vessel of god's wrath
>all knowing we have no free will
Congrats in being a retard
>knowing
The concept of god is just a copy of ourselves. Just because we have a mind doesn't mean that there's a creative entinity that had us, or anything at all, in mind.
Ugh. It’s so tiresome seeing these constant middle school tier religious threads. It’s 2023. Read the Kybalion. Read the Upanishads. You can get through both in a day or two. If you want more read some introductory Kabbalah, or some Rumi. Maybe even a little Plato. Then take some high dose shrooms alone a few times. After that you will have some rudimentary understanding of what you and God actually are. Until then, stop posting this gay shit.
low iq retard god is all powerful and those can know even what free will would decide , you low iq take comes because retards like you think that god need deterministic process to know what will happen similar to how we do it, god know what will we do because he know what our free will would decide , and just because god know what a free will will decide doesn't mean that he is forcing it to make that choice
i will give you a example , if you had a magical ability to know what some person who have a free will chose does it mean that you are causing him to chose what he did chose
So many retards
Yes, if you know someone's future choices that doesn't mean that "you are forcing their choices" but it does mean that they have only one choice and that everything is pre determined so they don't have free will.
If any person in a ball game had 2 choices there would be no way to know the outcome of the game because it would have thousands of possible outcomes.
you retard that because the real world the only way that we have to predict a future is to use a deterministic process that apply to it , god doesn't do that , god isn't restrained by our human materialist restraints and is all capable and doesn't need any thing to do any thing and those doesn't need deterministic process to know what a free will would decide , and he know that choice because it is the choice that free will makes
>and he know that choice because it is the choice that free will makes
So you think you have some options in a given moment but god knows ages before what will you chose and he knows you won't change your mind.
That's the illusion of free will but not the free will itself.
And that's for just one human, imagine whole nations, everybody having choices. That means trillions of combinations so no way to know the future. If he knows the future then all is scripted.
>So you think you have some options in a given moment but god knows ages before what will you chose and he knows you won't change your mind.
you retard if would've changed my mind then god would've had knew that and would have knew the choice that i would chose in the end
>And that's for just one human, imagine whole nations, everybody having choices. That means trillions of combinations so no way to know the future. If he knows the future then all is scripted.
more complexity change nothing god is all powerful he isn't a processor limited by it transistors and number of calculations it can do
and i already talked about how you dont even understand what a free will mean basically free will doesn't mean the lack of predictability of the choice in absolute manner but it mean the lack of materialist process that lead to our choices
>you retard if would've changed my mind then god would've had knew that and would have knew the choice that i would chose in the end
That would mean there's more than 1 possible future so he wouldn't be able to know the future
>more complexity change nothing
Maybe not for god but I'm trying to explain to you how logic works
>That would mean there's more than 1 possible future so he wouldn't be able to know the future
no because he would know what our real final choice would be
Meaning you only ever had one choice
no , it means that god can know the choice that you would decide , you still dont understand what free will even mean , and what god capability's are , you still think that if god is able to know something then there most be some kind of deterministic process that lead to it , because you are bounding god by the laws and restrictions of the material universe he created
also another majeur problem if we dont have a free will then there would be no evolutionary incentive for our qualia (metaphysical conscience experience) to show us any truths or reality because that metaphysical conscience experience would have no effect on the what would happen on the real world so it doesn't matter if shows any truth or some random bullshit , since every thing is result of fixed deterministic physical process and particles interactions
the misconception come from the fact that retards like you apply how materialist world work and laws on god and his capability's
and the misconception also come from how you guys doesn't even understand what a free will mean , free will doesn't mean some kind of thing that it decision cant be known by anything before it happen , free will mean that we have sure material and above physical causality ability and freedom to act , something that isn't a result of particles collisions , but from something metaphysical
Why does God have to be all-knowing?
nawet niezła.
I don’t believe free will and gods omnipotence are mutually exclusive. God has knowledge of our actions, past, present and future. This isn’t to say he is making anyone perform these actions.
God is an omnipotent being that transcends everything in every way. You can't fit God in your head or make sense of who or what He is in His entirety. Paradoxes are only a problem for us, not for God.
The future being predetermined doesn't mean we have no free will. It just means that we already made our choices.
>If god exists and is all knowing we have no free will.
That's not how logic works. Pilpul distraction thread that lures in normies who can't into logic.
this the problem most normies are midwits , and easily fall into this fallacy's and pillups , just look at how many midwits fall for the problem of "evil" despite "evil" being a meaningless concept with out a god defining it and those by definition god cant be evil no matter what he does since he defines what evil is in the first place
Don't see the contradiction. God could know all possible options but which road you go down is your own making.
i know how i will use my free will because i know myself. me knowing my own self doesn't mean that i don't have free will, i just know how i will use it. do you understand?
>If god exists and is all knowing we have no free will
Why? People being predictable is not a sign of them lacking free will. You are jumping to the conclusion without any logical connection from your basic premise.
Just because you know what someone is going to do doesn't mean they didn't choose to do it.
There is also a good chance that there are no gods and we have no free will.
>There is also a good chance that there are no gods and we have no free will.
Who's will is it then?
Who says there is one?
Nothing in logic necessitates that there be any ownership of any will.
There maybe another trait, more important that trait we've been able to verbalize. Just like animals using information unconsciously, we can use some other, higher-level resource without realizing it, and that give us freedom.
Just because God knows what you're going to do doesn't negate free will.
It was still your choice.
>An all powerful all knowing God is bound by my human conception of logic
Lol exactly, people think they can understand a being of that level is peak human hubris.
>If god exists and is all knowing we have no free will. If it's not all knowing, it isn't a god.
Sorry but that argument is ret- it's wrong.
His Knowing, doesn't stop Your freewill
Is she russian? WTF is that Time-clock for
its called calvinism. beautiful isnt it, do or dont, all is defined from the beginning until the end of time. there is nothing outside of this order.
Wrong. You can formulate a setup such that questions about the future simply don't make logical sense from the outside perspective of a deity, circumventing the issue. For instance, it could be that from God's point of view, every variation of everything that could possibly happen exists simultaneously as an eternal and immutable object thus nothing is actually ever "happening".
are child rapists innocent since they don't have free will
polish nagger thinks hes smart for such dumb ass logic
A fucking Redditor, I can smell them from a mile
why does god need to play a game of faith? if he truly wants us to be saved, why not just appear as some physical manifestation and just put this shit to rest?
so that the saved can be justified in their salvation and so that the guilty can be justified in their condemnation.
The guys selling their brand of God can't have you testing their product. You just need to pay your weekly subscription and vote for what they say God would want and don't ever attempt to test any of it. If something good happens it was because you're a brand loyal rewards member and if something bad happens it wasn't covered in the terms of service for your particular faith
I would be a faithful devotee of God if any form of supernatural stuff happened. Even if it was the devil, it would mean there is a God so I would obviously choose to worship God.
do you want to believe in God? or do you just want to experience something exciting or unnatural in your life?
Sorry, not going worship the stick israelite. Just ummmm not going 2 worship him.
why do poles hate russians when you are almost completely indistinguishable? the only difference is the catholic cross
>If god exists and is all-knowing we have no free will. If it's not all-knowing, it isn't a god.
The argument you've presented relates to a classic debate in theology and philosophy regarding the nature of God's omniscience and human free will. The argument can be summarized as follows:
1. If God is all-knowing (omniscient), He knows the future and all our future choices.
2. If our future choices are already known, then they are predetermined.
3. If our choices are predetermined, we do not have free will.
Now, this argument raises a significant and important question in theodicy and philosophy: Can free will exist if an omniscient being knows all our future actions?
Theological Perspective:
1. Compatibilism: Some theologians and philosophers argue that God's omniscience and human free will are compatible. This viewpoint suggests that God's knowledge of future events does not negate free will. Just because God knows what choices we will make, doesn't mean He is causing those choices.
2. Open Theism: This perspective suggests that God does not fully know the future. Open theists argue that God knows all possible outcomes but does not know what choices individuals will make, thus preserving free will.
3. Mystery of Divine Nature: Another approach is to argue that the relationship between God's omniscience and human free will is a mystery beyond human comprehension. This view accepts that both exist, but the mechanism of their coexistence is unknown.
that just means that God is smart and wise and not that we don't have free will.
The concept of God being all-knowing (omniscient) suggests that God has complete knowledge of all things, past, present, and future, including human thoughts and future actions. However, this omniscience does not necessarily imply that human beings lack free will. Also what kind of question is the second thing, anon? That's disgusting.
some people claim that we don't have free will then get angry when others do things that they don't prefer. it's retarded.
People claim no free will because they are self-destructive and don’t want to take responsibility for their lives.
Claiming there is no free will absolute reality denial. It’s a delusion, mental illness. You don’t get to have recovering alcoholics and no free will in the same universe, it’s an addiction so powerful that cessation can kill you and any drinking reinforces the behavior. Titrating down is almost impossible, yet somehow not entirely rare.
yeah they hate the idea of personal responsibility for themselves but love it for other people. everyone is guilty except for them. i believe that its rooted in pride.
Believing in an all powerful and all knowing god, and also believing in free will makes you a retard.
There is no such thing as sin.
The universe is 100% perfect.
We have the illusion of choices.
I don’t believe in an all-powerful all-knowing God, I believe in the God of the Bible, our creator.
There's a difference between having free will and having a complete loss of impulse control and raping someone, neighbor.
>1. Compatibilism: Some theologians and philosophers argue that God's omniscience and human free will are compatible. This viewpoint suggests that God's knowledge of future events does not negate free will.
>Just because God knows what choices we will make, doesn't mean He is causing those choices.
This mistake is the theme of the thread.
>God is not causing it, therefore it's free will
It's not the matter of who's causing it, it's the matter of everything being pre-determined. If it is then you have an illusion of 2 or more options but there always was just one option.
If every event and decision is already known and thus predetermined, this aligns with the concept of determinism, where all events are predestined to occur in a specific way. In contrast, free will suggests that individuals can make genuine choices that are not predetermined.
what do you mean by predetermined to you mean that god can know it , because that's not what predetermined is ment when free will is talked about , when people use predetermined they mean the materialistic direct causality that lead to that free choice or causal chain outside of that will that led to that choice
>what do you mean by predetermined
I mean scripted
something being scripted mean that it was a result of a causal process , god being able to know what free will choices will be because he is all powerful doesn't mean that he is suddenly subjecting it to a causal process
>doesn't mean that he is suddenly subjecting it to a causal process
It doesn't matter if HE is subjecting it, what matters is that it's subjected to causality and therefore not a choice
you low iq retard , you are restricting god to material univers restrictions , ie you cant know what the result of something will be without that thing being subjected to observable physical causal process , god isn't restrained by the laws of physics and causality , he is all powerful and the creator of those laws and those can know the result of something that isn't a result of causal process without it having to being subjected to one
and i already explained this to you in so many of my previous responses but you are such a big midwit
> If it's not all knowing, it isn't a god.
I don’t understand this argument. How is this a better argument than “if it doesn’t cup my balls while work the shaft, it isn’t god”?
You don’t even believe in god, why do you get to be the arbiter of his characteristics?
I never in God, and he is not all knowing. This completely dismantles your argument and your only response is
>no you are being in the wrong god
Or
>you are wrong about God’s qualities
But you think ALL gods are fake, so that is not an argument. You can’t claim how many legs aliens have if you don’t believe in aliens. You can’t claim israelites are evil if you don’t believe in israelites.
TLDR: you are a moron
God isn't a noun.
It's a verb.
That’s a man
sage
>Lord please give me an experience that will make me believe in life after death
then God might just give you a near death experience through an accident or something. do you want to pray this prayer, anon?
I survived something that should have killed me. I know that this is all anecdotal and you don't have to believe me but I was a very rebellious kid growing up. Always fought authority and everything because I didn't have a dad in the house to reign my ass in. My sister had a husband at the time that was a complete psychopath schizo. The fire in this picture was intentionally set by him to kill everyone but him. Charcoal lighter fluid everywhere. Now, I'm not that great of a Christian but after this happened to me and I came out of that fire unscathed, I never abandoned my faith again.
Pic related.
that's a blessing because you used it to build up your faith in God. it could've been a curse if you didn't tho. how we use the experiences we've experience is all up to us. they could either draw us closer to God or far away from Him. have a blessed evening, anon. i also had an experience with nde.
You as well, Canada fren. God bless you as well.
>choose to do something
>God already knew what you would choose to do
>therefore you didn't actually have free will choosing to do what you did
What the fuck is this "logic"
A computer programming language, retard.
This is irrefutably correct.
Anyone that says otherwise is a drooling midwit.
Free will does not exist, and the true god is bloodthirsty. We learn the most from bad times so he keeps them rolling.
i use my free will to disagree with you. how's that?
>we must learn
For what purpose? You believe have no control over your actions you fucking imbecile
This picture is polish AF.
The only thing missing would be some pierogi and sausage on the table and some passed out skinhead under the table too.
god doesnt HAVE to know everything
sometimes, he likes to discover
Then he’s not omniscient.
That's a man
god doesn't exist unless there's a taylor swift robot fuck doll on my door step in 5 minutes
>ctrl + f feet
>0 results
I need her feet so far down my mouth she could use my lungs as slippers
>If god exists and is all knowing we have no free will. If it's not all knowing, it isn't a god.
THE WEATHER REPORT DESTROYS MY FREE WILL, A CONCEPT I CANNOT EVEN DEFINE ABSENT GOD
I AM VERY SMART
Way to go with the presuppositions, fag
Whether God exists or not we definitely do not have free will. Retards just need to stop believing in that shit already. It’s completely irrational and makes zero sense.
It’s as dumb as believing in eternal oblivion.
Who are you exactly angry at then, anon?
OMNIPOTENCE MEANS YOUR STUPID PARADOXES AND LE israeli GOTCHAS MEAN SHIT
>believe my book or you’re a israelite!
Yeah no thanks, it was written by men. I’d rather talk to god myself and find my own answers, which I did.
Free will does not exist
The universe is 100% deterministic
God knows what choice you will make, but ultimately you make the choice.
We, in the current year, can watch historical footage, and know exactly what the people in it are going to do. Does that mean the people in those videos did not have free will?
Of course not. Retarded argument. OP gargles semen for petrol money, but doesn't own a car.
>Does that mean the people in those videos did not have free will?
People in those videos that you watch aren't sentient and have no agency. Your argument is retarded.
But the people in those videos were real, and did the things we see them do. Are you fucking inbred? Holy fucking shit, this had better be bait. Kids learn differentiation between fiction and reality at what, 8? Please be bait.
>Kids learn differentiation between fiction and reality at what, 8?
And yet you can't.
I clearly DID differentiate but you think that knowing the future choices of a living person is the same as watching a video of a dead guy and knowing what he'll do next, kek retard.
>another day, another unimaginative atheist
The human soul doesn't operate on the same principles as material physical dominoes.
Whatever you call God is not infinite limitless and omnipotent, because you couldn't conceive anything omnipotent. Even trying to use words to describe it is wrong, it's unlike what we know as existence. Our concept of existence is based on limits. Therefore whatever you imagine to be God is just some limited hypostasis of source. It might seem perfect to our limited perception but it's still limited. We cannot comprehend One. Imho that's what Parmenides about.
Still, the highest hypostasis of One, let's call it God, should probably include all manifested world inside itself. As such you're part of God.
If you're part of God, but you believe to be separate, then what is God?
Resultant of all its constituents probably.
Can one human affect the course of events and change the resultant of all forces? What is will?
I don't know, I don't know much about quantum fields.
In my experience future trends are all set long before anything happens.
I suspect that question about free will isn't even question proper. Our understanding of time is probably some kind of retardation.
>size 44 feet
that's a man, gościu
That's an honest real woman who can carry the water to the well and work in the crops, but by all means get yourself a weak painted entitled slut who'll stay home and fuck Mutombe that your government will soon import while you work your ass off to buy her the new Apple phone bcs she doesn't want an android and her phone is out of style anyway it's 6months old.
>carry the water to the well and work in the crops
it's still 1823 in Croatia?
It doesn't matter, that's a quality woman. Just because a man doesn't have to be strong in this day and age doesn't mean he shouldn't be, fatty.
>It doesn't matter,
it matters because it's not relevant to the times in which we live in
nobody cares if a woman can carry a bucket of water from the well
because nobody carries buckets of water from the well anymore
except in Africa
Checked
So you're weak and fat and can't run or swim because it's not relevant to the times, got it.
You're also stupid because I said "she can carry the water and work the crops" to describe her stature, not to say that's what she'll be doing.
Like when they say in Balkans and maybe in Poland "he's so strong he could pull out the ox's tail. It doesn't mean you'll go around pulling oxen by their tails, dumbass.
We all have free will and a path that’s correctly laid out according to his plan for us, that we should be following by making the right choices in life, but there’s also paths that will lead us the wrong direction. Have you ever noticed when things just fall into place and work out perfectly or absolutely fight you the entire time? When everything runs smooth.. you’re on the right path.
It’s your choice to do what’s right. Either you’ll be rewarded for choosing the correct path or suffer the fate of choosing the wrong ones.
Typical Russian slide format, but from Polish IP, unique. Normally they use Serbia.
>implying this place is important enough to be acted upon by government-funded influencers
lol
lmao
and roflmao
God decided to create some fearful idiots to kneel and worship him, because he is a tasteless narcissist.
I don't have to pour water into a ditch I dug out to understand how it's going to flow before it even does. I can't speak for God so this is just pure speculation, but it's likely similar in that God digs the ditch (time) but doesn't control you (the water), and yet, He knows both the start point and endpoint of that ditch and everything in-between. God being omniscient does not necessarily preclude free will like you think it does.
>If god exists
he does
>and is all knowing
he is
>we have no free will
Wrong. This silly argument is called "fatalism" and it's easily defeated.
Lets say there might be a possibility of choosing A or B.. we don't know if you can choose anything yet
God knows "A" will be the the outcome. Why is it A? why not B? What caused God to know the outcome will be A and not B?
The only options are free will or God per-ordained it. But if God per-ordained it then the premise of the question already affirms the conclusion: you have no free will.
That is a begging the question fallacy.
Therefore you cannot say God's foreknowledge is the reason NOT B was the outcome because that is circular reasoning.
We are therefore left with free will being the reason NOT B was the outcome, and it was chosen by you.
Glad to help correct your misunderstanding.
>Therefore you cannot say God's foreknowledge is the reason NOT B was the outcome because that is circular reasoning.
No, but god obviously knew something you didn't, like it's all pre determined hence you only had one option in the first place.
Your fallacy is the assumption
>If you say god knew the outcome it it means he pre-determined it
But it's more like
>God knew the outcome because it was pre-determined and there was only 1 possible outcome
you cannot say God's foreknowledge is the reason NOT B was the outcome because that is circular reasoning.
>No,
Saying "no" isn't an argument.
>but god obviously knew something you didn't,
Also not an argument. That is the premise.
>like it's all pre determined
A baseless claim. Please support it.
>Your fallacy is the assumption
I made no assumptions
>>God knew the outcome because it was pre-determined
Which is a blatant begging the question fallacy as I explained and you didn't counter.
What caused A to be the outcome instead of B? Your only excuse is that God made it that way. But if God made it that way then the premise already establishes the conclusion of no free will
Textbook begging the question.
My argument stands
Your argument is shit and presupposes the nature of a thing which you claim doesn’t exist which is already a fallacy and btfo’d hundreds of years ago
>presupposes the nature of a thing which you claim doesn’t exist
I used the premises OP gave little retard child and I didn't claim something doesn't exist. You're just butthurt that my argument disproves OP's nonsense and you hate that because you're angry at the God you deny
Kek retard, that "No" was "No, you cannot say it" so I was agreeing with you lmao.
I didn't read the rest of your post after that fiasco.
>Inb4 learn to write
Kek, I said "No, but" so I obviously agreed with you
>I didn't read the rest of your post after that fiasco.
I accept your concession
>>Inb4 learn to write
Learn to write
You should have said "correct, but.."
god can know every possibility of ever possible outcome while creating us in a way where even though every outcome is known he doesnt know which choice we will make.
every possibility known while not knowing which choice we actually make
Would let he walk all over me.
If there is no god then there is no objective meaning or truth and I shouldn’t care about a single thing you say
qeq this , but most midwits plebitor dont even know why your statement is correct
Omnipotent.
Omniscient.
Omnipresent
Omnibenevolent.
Pretty sure those that obsess with knowledges are in the ravenclaw. I'm personally not a fan of that house.
Redpill me on Hufflepuff
You are my pet. I love my pet.
Hufflepuff is for gimps. I love my gimp
But the sexy hat. And that hot ghost who wanted to fuck Voldemort. And the bloody baron murder-suicide plot.
If a god which came into being at a moment in time had become omniscient, would it need to have been eternal to still understand and know all? If not, then perhaps we are still in the process of becoming gods from which our ideals will become reality as we ascend into a higher level of consciousness. Something to aspire to...
Poltard: a guy who knows everything about a Being that doesn't exist.
The reason god isn't real is because why would a god who is fair and just pick the most unfair and unjust people to be his crew? If there is a god that god isn't Yahweh, like it's just pure cope saying anything else. The israeli national god just isn't real.
Wonder why I always get throw into a slytherine house. I always choose gryffindor tho. Given a choice
yet you israelites suck Poland dry.
We have come to existence from an unknown source. This source we shall name God.
God made us "be" in such a way he would not be in control of our outcome. For if he knew the outcome then he wouldn't get anything out of it. Thus he must have had turned a blind eye on our decisions.
This is what we refer to as life. We are the eyes and heart to marvel at what otherwise would be meaningless.
i repost this because materialists and atheist never even try to address this
also another majeur problem if we dont have a free will then there would be no evolutionary incentive for our qualia (metaphysical conscience experience) to show us any truths or reality because that metaphysical conscience experience would have no effect on the what would happen on the real world so it doesn't matter if shows any truth or some random bullshit , since every thing is result of fixed deterministic physical process and particles interactions
You confuse all-knowing. He is All-seeing and All-controlling, but He only controls when there is a need. Otherwise our choices control our destiny, for some of us though, things run more on "AutomatiK" mode, even if we make wrong choices, things still go as per pre determined destiny.