I won't troon out it's only a fetish it's just AGP if I do nofap for long enough it'll go away I'm going to be a normal man and this will just be an embarrassing phase I won't troon out
I won't troon out it's only a fetish it's just AGP if I do nofap for long enough it'll go away I'm going to be a normal man a...
>it's only a fetish it's just AGP
Daddy Blanchard says: take your fucking pills, Alice.
>*Blocks your path*
sorry anon, I lifted to rep and now I'm just a lean, muscular repper
I don't want to be a repper, I just want to be a normal guy who doesn't have to deal with this at all. Wat do?
genuinely nothing you can do. I tried long stretches of no fap, no porn. I even tried a regular relationship with a gf and I'm still a massive fag. At this point I'm worried I'm going to troon eventually
Do I just ignore the part of my conscience telling me what a bad outcome trooning out is and bite the bullet? Have any reppers successfully buried the tranny thoughts for good?
>what a bad outcome trooning out is
don't troon out then, manmode on HRT and keep your facial hair, this way you won't be clocked as a man on female hormones
>Have any reppers successfully buried the tranny thoughts for good?
you've been told by multiple people in this thread that it's not possible, both current long-time reppers and ex-reppers who trooned (me) told you this - are you being dense on purpose?
nta but damn, I could never grow a decent beard, only some patchy garbage and a shitty 'stache (it's the same fir my father, if he's a repper then I'll fucking kill him for giving me the tranny genes).
It's over for me in more than one way at once.
>if he's a repper then I'll fucking kill him for giving me the tranny genes
i'm a tranny with an older brother who admitted having tranny thoughts "when he was younger", so it's possible
>are you being dense on purpose?
It's more that I'm in denial. The answer is obvious, I just don't want to acknowledge it. Being a tranny with some reservations about transitioning sounds easier to live as than a repper constantly trying to ignore the option.
This feels like looking into a screwed up crystal ball telling me my future, I don't like it
>tranny with some reservations about transitioning
that's not what you are though, you're still lying to yourself that becoming a cis straight man is on the table for you - it's not
The only reppers with any longterm "success" are celibate freaks revelling in a lifetime of self-denial. They deny themselves relationships, intimacy, sexuality in any form. So no, it doesn't work. Just troon out, things will be bad at time, but there really isn't anything else for you, anon, sorry.
this is the life that awaits you if you continue repping eternally
https://www.youtube.com/@GraceByWhichIStand
>genuinely nothing you can do. I tried long stretches of no fap, no porn. I even tried a regular relationship with a gf and I'm still a massive fag. At this point I'm worried I'm going to troon eventually
I've tried basically everything you can think of to make it stop and just be a normal straight guy but my mind eventually snapped under the strain in my late 20's and I trooned out and sleep with dudes now.
Pretty much. Trooning is not worth it unless you can at least look feminine and attractive enough for people to take you seriously. You can even get away with not passing if you look cute and androgynous at least. But being a superhon is only going to cause you immense pain. Things kinda worked out for me, I think I look clock but pretty and people gender me female and I'll probs get FFS soon. A huge factor in me deciding to troon out was realizing I could probably pass, I think I would have coped until I died with no hope
the more you push the thoughts of wanting to be a woman out of your head, the more AGP you become, this is one of the results of repression, the other is slowly becoming more schizo.
>I just want to be a normal guy who doesn't have to deal with this at all. Wat do?
there's nothing you can do, straight cis men don't want to be women, gay cis men don't either, you're a tranny in denial, and this very denial is making you AGP, ex-reppers who transition successfully become less AGP because being feminine becomes a normal, non-taboo part of their lives
>I lifted to rep and now I'm just a lean, muscular repper
I lifted to rep and now I'm a tranny with thick upper arms
>I even tried a regular relationship with a gf
yeah OP, dating women won't override your wish to be a woman, if anything, it will make the relationship borderline abusive because of how much you'll envy the gf for being a woman (talking from experience here)
Trooning out is only worth considering for passoids
Being a man is arguably easier with just a little bit of drive. Going to the gym is essential for masculinity. It'll probably lead you to be more successful in life, too.
This board will slowly try to radicalize and feminize you, but very few times will it tell you that you may very well be okay the way you are
Either way the truth is within you
take your pills
no fap just makes agp thoughts more and more invasive
there is no faketrans or realtrans, all that matters is if you can end up cute. For a masc repper the emotional turmoil of self actualization is sad but ultimately misguided. The only truth is what's on the outside.
You know this is just my experience but hrt helped me tremendously with that nofap bizz. Been three months since the last time and I don't miss it for a day
Nature day and puearia mirifica. Now. also a chastity cage cures dysphasia and you can stay cis with it on
For me, I know my realistic end state would never be satisfactory, and I would probably be mentally worse off than I am now. I make for a pretty good looking guy, so that will have to do for this life I have.
>I make for a pretty good looking guy
attractive people ARE treated better, that's true, but it doesn't apply to men as much.
What's the point of being a good looking guy if you can't date? I mean, unless you are dating - do you feel OK dating people? after my first denial GF I distanced myself from people even when girls were into me becaues I felt it would be dishonest to date as some fucked up autogynophile - I wish more reppers did this, because me and my repper brother would appreciate not being born with the tranny gene
I feel good with dating/relationships since I'm a mildly co-dependent person, but my interest in sex has tanked as I've become more honest with myself and how I feel. I totally empathize with how you feel dishonest kek.
Wouldn't you be happier as a woman though?
Talk to friends you really trust, find people who support you irl. Don't try to go through it all alone. I'm rooting for you OP, whatever you decide.
>Wouldn't you be happier as a woman though?
I'm almost certain I would, but there's still that part of me that sees it as a bad ending where I succumb to what I thought was only a phase when I was a teenager.
>Talk to friends you really trust, find people who support you irl.
That's easier said than done. I live in a really conservative state, and my friends/family are totally against anything LGBT. My mom is sort of tolerant of it, but it would be a whole different story if *I* transitioned.
>I'm rooting for you OP, whatever you decide.
Thanks, Anon. Even from a stranger that means a lot
This has been a huge hangup for me. Some will claim that trans people have always existed, and we only notice them now because it's a documented phenomenon. But if there were as many men who hated being their biological sex and were totally despondent over having to live as a man as there are transgenders today, I find it hard to believe that nobody would notice something was off.
What about all the alcoholics and crazy people that have already existed? Couldn't the trannies literally just be concealed within those groups? Depressed people often don't know why they are depressed at all. Seems more likely trannies in the olden days would just cope with alcohol or whatever.
That's a reasonable theory. There are plenty of avenues they could've gone through, joining a monastery is what comes to mind for me. Obviously trannies weren't really a common, well-known thing centuries ago, so those were their methods of dealing with it. The difference between then and now is that today we have HRT as an option, which isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than trying to fill the void with various distractions.
>only a phase when I was a teenager
Teenage years can be real eye openers. I realised part of my family was full of criminals when I was a teen. Never even thought about it as a pre-teen.
>I live in a really conservative state
>friends/family are against LGBT
Sounds like a very dangerous environment, I'm really sorry anon... Maybe you can move like you'd do for a job? Travel more often and see how comfortable you'd be with it? Although that also isn't easy and can be risky if you don't have the finances. I had to move states because of my job and it also took me a while to make real friends here.
>Thanks, Anon
Of course! If I met you irl, I'd have offered you a hug for every shred of self-doubt, it messes with me to see anyone face odds like these, I wish you all the luck and strength you could need to succeed and overcome everything life may and already has thrown at you
>I find it hard to believe that nobody would notice something was off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history
One issue with finding historical accounts is that reporting can be biased, like historian writing interpreting gay couples as friends and biologists having to close both eyes to ignore bonobos when denying homosexuality in animals.
There's a reason the Nazis burnt a lot of LGBT+ writings and research. Trans people's existence is normal and visible unless it's actively repressed and made invisible.
I'm not saying that transgender people don't exist, they always have. But I find that many people turn to transition to cope with other issues in their life, and notice the trend that a lot of people who transition are already pretty lonely and chronically online.
Try to resolve other issues in your life, and truly understand yourself regardless of identity before taking the step to transition or not
Either way I support you, just please do it for yourself and don't get swept up in the current!
Hey retard,
I don't say any of these things for myself, I'm grateful to be comfortable in my skin. But I know how impressionable people can get when other factors are involved, and how appealing community is. This goes both ways, as I believe this is the way that a lot of people are radicalized into the sigma / alt-right pipeline. I do believe trannies and sigmas are different sides of the same coin of lonely and lost people.
I fear for these people and want them to question the media they consume
Kys
>But I find that many people turn to transition to cope with other issues in their life, and notice the trend that a lot of people who transition are already pretty lonely and chronically online.
>If OP reads this I really do wish you well and hope you find and are comfortable with your gender identity. I'm sorry that you are not in a space to voice and explore yourself, and I'm sure it'd make the whole process a lot easier.
I 100% agree. So many people are lost and looking for some sort of direction in life, and a radical change like transitioning sounds like such an appealing option, then they detrans after they realize it didn't make them happy or provide any sort of meaning. And a LOT of it has to do with them spending too much time online, or retreating into entertainment as a form of escapism and as a result their sense of identity gets warped. I'm trying to discern if dysphoria is the cause or only a symptom of some general dissatisfaction and unhappiness with my life. Even if transitioning is right for me, I could still have tons of other issues that need addressing. Above all else you need purpose in life, and some people resort to extreme, sometimes misguided efforts to find that.
>This has been a huge hangup for me. Some will claim that trans people have always existed, and we only notice them now because it's a documented phenomenon. But if there were as many men who hated being their biological sex and were totally despondent over having to live as a man as there are transgenders today, I find it hard to believe that nobody would notice something was off.
Wow this board is really really dangerous, horrified to see everyone assuming that they know your headspace
It's really easy to consider trooning out in this day and age because you're blasted by media including it all of the time.
It's the same as advertising, and why coke pays to have its name everywhere. The more it's seen, the more likely you'll drink it.
Tranny/femboys/sissy shit has spread through pmvs, TV shows, and cancer sites and you are simply not immune to propaganda
why are you, I'm assuming a cis straight man with a fetish, browsing an /lgbt/ board and talking with trans people?
why aren't you doing normal cis straight man stuff instead? what draws you to this place?
I am a cis PAN man browsing the LGBt board while on the clock
I enjoy browsing this board and learn about other peoples' experiences, and give my 2 cents when I feel that people ask
I just feel that OP is undecided, and EVERYONE seems to be pushing them in one direction. I want them to consider how they got here and to find their truth instead of what's been permeated and pushed onto them ^.^
Wow talk about slippery slopes, you're retarded as shit
I don't support censorship, but on this board you have some super impressionable and lonely people, and if they find everyone pushing them in one direction they just may follow without really thinking it through
>wow this board is reslly dangerous!
>people exercising their right of free speech to type anonymous posts.
If you are literally threatened by a fsggot on the internet talking about their own life how fucking pathetic are you? Do human beings have any abikity to rationally evaluate their own experience and make good decisions in your mind? Does everyone need to be insulated from "dangerous" opinions for literally their whole life? Why not petition the government to block LULZ or something.
>dangerous
Oh no, be careful before you get turned too! Do you cry yourself to sleep because you're not a woman? No? Then fret not! You're safe for now, Francis.
>Oh no, be careful before you get turned too!
that anon is already an agp fapper, otherwise he wouldn't lurk and post here saying trooning is wrong for most people
I can appreciate having someone consider alternatives to general consensus if it's done in good faith, but you said that this board was "really really dangerous" and you were "horrified" like, that's a bit much don't you think? Especially when you call it propaganda. Most people are heavily discouraged from transitioning, especially when surrounded by transphobes like OP is. It's natural that people who went through similar things would push in that direction and framing it as malicious "propaganda cancer" is what makes you very much come off as an oblivious asshat.
Yeah I'm incredibly dramatic and probably damaged my point by using colorful language, but I do come with good intentions.
I feel the need to be extremely poignant to be heard and that usually takes the form of exaggerating to get my point across
I just know how susceptible you can become to suggestions when you feel deeply depressed and alone, and that depression may come from other things in your life.
I feel like the GRAND MAJORITY of this board will push people towards transitioning no matter what OPs circumstances really are or without exploring other parts of their life and I find that dangerous because I sincerely do not feel that people are in the headspace to be making those decisions
I don't like it when people push the agenda that regardless of everything, transitioning will solve their problems because I sincerely believe it won't. And while of course I personally haven't lived it, reading this board drives home how transitioning hasn't made (all) people happy and has led to (many) people suffering in their altered state
I support the trans community but cannot ignore how eager it is to hand off pink pills without weighing anything else
If OP reads this I really do wish you well and hope you find and are comfortable with your gender identity. I'm sorry that you are not in a space to voice and explore yourself, and I'm sure it'd make the whole process a lot easier.
I hope you find your happiness.
The thing is that most of us were in that exact same place before, so it just seems like a foregone conclusion
A lot of "pinkpilling" is simply self affirmation for our own decisions in a way
I can understand that completely, but then it leds itself to applying personal, ANECDOTAL experiences to other people's lives
I found this thread while scrolling where OP literally says that seeing other tranners take the step CONVINCED them to do it too. Whether they were truly dysphoric or not idrk or care but it was not the end all be all solution many people seek
Thank you for elaborating on that.
>feel the need to be extremely poignant to be heard
I think that's very common on this site, but when it comes to things that can be interpreted as potentially transphobic, not using colourful language actually makes a stronger case, because if it's read as genuine addition, it won't be read off as just another transphobic insult but as the thoughtful concern it is.
You do make a good point, although depressed transitioning can be a bit of a chicken-and-egg thing. Are they considering transitioning because they're depressed due to something that's only tangentially related, or are they depressed because dysphoria is hell and transphobia hurts?
Only OP can find out for sure...
I appreciate you taking the time to hear me out.
>chicken-and-egg argument
I actually agree with this proposition, but I feel that it's more logical to explore REVERSIBLE reasons you may be depressed before taking on irreversible/damaging social/physical/psychological stress.
I feel like if you were trouble shooting why you're dissatisfied with your life, it'd be best to explore surface level things (diet, sleep schedule, sunlight exposure, physical fitness, social interaction) before full out transitioning.
Ultimately we want the same thing still, and it's OPs happiness. We don't know what's right for them, but I hope they find it.
>So many people are lost and looking for some direction in life
I 200% agree with you on that, and would tie it back to how it applies to the alt-right. Everyone is lost and scared, and will cling onto anything presented to them as the "solution" (pink / red pill)
I think people are out of touch with themselves, and instead of searching inside they seek LABELS on the OUTSIDE (religion, GENDER, political affiliation, etc). Tribalism feels secure when reality we just have to find out how to be comfortable when we're alone.
I don't know how I want to close this out but I want to remind everyone to rewatch Neon Genesis Evangelion and to learn from it's philosophical inspirations in pursuit of self improvement and content with oneself 😛
I won't troon out it's only internalized homophobia if I do meaningless hookups for long enough it'll go away I'm going to be a normal gay man and this will just be an embarrassing phase I won't troon out
>having sex with men doesn't help cure trannyism either
do you see what i mean now, OP? There is no cure, there's only treatments, and all of those treatments involve taking HRT, what you do with your life socially depends on you, you can officially troon out or you can manmode
Don't worry the chance of you looking remotely like a girl is 5% so if I was in your place I would just repress
yeah i was comfortable being a femboy, next weekend im telling my GP im trans. I could rep my whole life, but why bother
Hi, brain scan studies have comprehensively refuted Blanchardism (see:
for details). Fetishes and sexual orientation have nothing to do with whether you're trans or not.
Whether you are trans only has two objective criteria:
1) Do you experience gender dysphoria.
2) Does HRT help with your gender dysphoria.
If yes, you are objectively trans. Take your pills and be free, Alice.
I'm half cis and I'll keep posting this: AGP is repressed female sexuality. The creeps you see and use to justify the mislabeling of AGP are just MEFs.
if you take hrt you wont need to nofap