I wonder how it was to be trans during the 90s and the early millennium?

I wonder how it was to be trans during the 90s and the early millennium? I mean I heard there were already diy hrt online resources so in theory some people probably could pull off living stealth as normies didn't know and care about us.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I was a regular young guy during the 90s and pic related was my main exposure to trannies.
    Daytime talk shows would use trannies as carnival freaks basically.
    It's amazing to me how hot a lot of the trannies on this board look given how I used to think of trannies when I was younger.
    I think Line Trap kind of changed the paradigm by making us realize trannies could look like girls instead of men in dresses.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      some people still pull off living as stealth, that is just passing really and it isn't harder than that

      I transitioned in 2004 though and yes passing before 2010s was harder, but failing passing was more dangerous too. Being hon was actually physically dangerous. These days you get just yelled at and misgendered by phobes, but then you actually got beaten unless you managed to flee or be macho maam and beat back.

      AIDS was still killing people in the 90s. You rarely ever encountered trans people in the LGBT, it was all drag queens and a few hsts. They primarily dated gay and bi men, or stealthed and tried to hook straight men. There were no transbian type couples to say it bluntly, and you NEVER heard of a trans girl dating a cis woman. Oldgay here.

      You guys forget that Jerry Springer didn't get watched outside of the us and puberty blockers for minors were a thing already in the eighties in the netherlands.

      Random strangers just didn't know trans people didn't exist or at least didn't think about them apart from them being super gay drag queens. We weren't a political issue because nobody knew.

      So ofc it was way easier to pass even as a twink hon with a bad voice. People like Lynn conway could live stealth back then.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >You guys forget that Jerry Springer didn't get watched outside of the us
        I don't consider countries outside the US real.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >You guys forget that Jerry Springer didn't get watched outside of the us
          I was born in 95 in Russia and I saw syndicated troony hate episodes of Springer, you forget that you're the main "cultural" exporter.
          Americans and their 90s obsession with trannies (comedy movies where men barf, springer, etc) ruined my life

          you don`t get the point. The absence of the modern internet, sociel media and smartphones simply meant that the exposure to the trans phenomenon for the average person was almost non existant compared to today. Forget about jerry springer. Yeah, some people might have heard about sex change stuff but opposed to today dumb normies were even less educated about sexual dimorphism and tended to believe that science could actually do a sex change. So if you were a twinkhon who wouldn`t pass barely today people just assumed you were an ugly/odd woman because the concept of trans people existing wasn`t in their minds.

          Yes: there was media who mostly made mainly jokes about trans people but the average person wasn`t exposed to that on a daily basis. Maybe once a year or even less so people simply forgot about details like that.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Yeah, some people might have heard about sex change stuff but opposed to today dumb normies were even less educated about sexual dimorphism and tended to believe that science could actually do a sex change.
            This is a good point. You go back to the 50s and 60s it was mostly outright just accepted by people that science had made it possible to change sex completely, you get trans women being treated under the law as just plain women. Then there's a weird kind of being sciencey about it, and all of a sudden you get people trying to define "biological sex" versus whatever is acquired by transitioning and what have you. It's important to remember that people mostly just accept this shit, but a little bit of education is worse than none at all.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            you don`t get the point. The absence of the modern internet, sociel media and smartphones simply meant that the exposure to the trans phenomenon for the average person was almost non existant compared to today. Forget about jerry springer. Yeah, some people might have heard about sex change stuff but opposed to today dumb normies were even less educated about sexual dimorphism and tended to believe that science could actually do a sex change. So if you were a twinkhon who wouldn`t pass barely today people just assumed you were an ugly/odd woman because the concept of trans people existing wasn`t in their minds.

            Yes: there was media who mostly made mainly jokes about trans people but the average person wasn`t exposed to that on a daily basis. Maybe once a year or even less so people simply forgot about details like that.

            The mysterium of trans folks certainly helped in passing and forming relationships. Back in 2009 my friend unknowingly hung out with and dated a 17yo trans chick, still ended up having sex with them and dating for 2 years.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >science had made it possible to change sex completely, you get trans women being treated under the law as just plain women.

            This is exactly it. When I transitioned everyone believed sex change was legitimate. If I Were Young today and they told me you didn't really change your biological sex I'd never do it because I don't see any point in it. I did it to conform to social standards not to relieve some weird feeling I had inside of me. I did it because extremely feminine gay men were not accepted in ordinary society and women were. If you couldn't really be a real woman why do it? why change?

          • 1 year ago
            Evil person

            You should do a backflip off a Briddge

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Yeah, some people might have heard about sex change stuff but opposed to today dumb normies were even less educated about sexual dimorphism and tended to believe that science could actually do a sex change.
            Nobody believed that. The general opinion is that people who get sex change operations are super-insane mega-gays. Just watch the South Park episode where Mr. Garrison gets a sex change.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This is sadly true.

            There was a tranner in my extended friend circle who was so unlikable and so obnoxious it made me repress hard. Looking back the problem was me and my fragility, but it definitely didnt help.

            Im a quiet person, i like being by myself, i like nature. This person was loud, abrasive, flamboyant to the point of parody.

            And thats what i thought being trans was.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That episode and especially transbian arc following it as still one of best and more nuanced trans related comedies though and has aged surprisingly well

            though the bar is really low since most trans comedy is "man in dress funny haha" or "aaaargh I must puke in horror of seeing a chick with dick"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            scissor me timbers

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >You guys forget that Jerry Springer didn't get watched outside of the us
        I was born in 95 in Russia and I saw syndicated troony hate episodes of Springer, you forget that you're the main "cultural" exporter.
        Americans and their 90s obsession with trannies (comedy movies where men barf, springer, etc) ruined my life

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >being super gay drag queens.

        That's how we thought of ourselves and I think most psychiatrists thought we were feminine gay men who couldn't adjust to the male role

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      hahaha look at this old man chaser hahahaha

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Go make your own anime website, zoomie.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          the horny old man is lurking the troony board!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Post breasts pls.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you first fatty

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm hairy skelly mode.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao. Back in 2008 my first IRL exposure to a trans person was a one legged 40yo hon living up the opposite road

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I transitioned in 2010 and Line Trap was a major moment of awakening. Like I legit didn't know that some boys could become hot girls. Infohazard as frick lol but it beats repression and/or twinkdeath.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >infohazard
        lmao more infobenefit

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's hotter in an emasculation fetish way to talk about it like a bad thing.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            self-hate is bad for you even as fetish, I recommend rather embracing "being a homosexual is hot", it's not self-hating and just as good

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Same, it peeves me when youngshits act like some obscure experimental surgery in the 1950s means medical transition was common knowledge back in their parents and grandparents time

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Skill issue
        You had the internet since the 70s and you had lunch breaks in school and time afterward

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          There were probably 800 people in the world with internet in the 1970s

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            As far as I know the internet didn't come out until around 1990. Apple computer company didn't start until sometime in the late 70s I think it was 78 they weren't common until the early 80s
            back in the day everybody sent SASE self-addressed stamped envelope

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    some people still pull off living as stealth, that is just passing really and it isn't harder than that

    I transitioned in 2004 though and yes passing before 2010s was harder, but failing passing was more dangerous too. Being hon was actually physically dangerous. These days you get just yelled at and misgendered by phobes, but then you actually got beaten unless you managed to flee or be macho maam and beat back.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      duh passing before 2010s was easier I mean obviously with it being harder these days

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    AIDS was still killing people in the 90s. You rarely ever encountered trans people in the LGBT, it was all drag queens and a few hsts. They primarily dated gay and bi men, or stealthed and tried to hook straight men. There were no transbian type couples to say it bluntly, and you NEVER heard of a trans girl dating a cis woman. Oldgay here.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      oldest transbians couples I know date to 90s (I have met one such couple real life, sadly one of them died of AIDS), it was already a thing, but rarer, hell it's possible that there maybe examples of it as far as 70s, but I have no personal knowledge

      also, 90s is when the first married boomerhons trooned (though early 2000s was their heyday) and quite lot of them became lesbian with their wifes after trooning, but yeah this was the only type of cis4t transbianism in existence.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >AIDS was still killing people in the 90s. You rarely ever encountered

      I transitioned in 1982 because of AIDS. If there had been no AIDS I don't know if I would have transitioned?

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I know from studies there was some sort of big development in a lot of countries in the quality of SRS in the 80s and 90s, although exactly what that was I don't know. Apparently a lot of people were much happier with the results in the 90s than in the 70s and 80s.

    Brit TV had a trans woman character (although a cis actress) on Coronation street from 98 until a few years back, and for older people it was definitely somewhat accepted as a thing ( https://www.tiktok.com/@themichaelbarrymore/video/7189719651209858310 https://www.tiktok.com/@themichaelbarrymore/video/7188921329758833926 Barrymore was a very middle England show, and did some interviews with trans women way back). Still had a fair share of unsympathetic shock documentaries like "look at this disgusting SRS operation and all the unnatural things they have to do" but in general I feel like the attitude was much more accepting for those that did transition, but the access to being able to transition was poorer in accepting people needed to have HRT, SRS or even just social support, and the idea of younger people transitioning I don't think was really spoken about at all.

    Also I think there were highly heteronormative ideas about transition, even if the most commonly portrayed transition was an older married MtF lesbian I definitely remember as a young kid in the later 90s thinking of it as an option to avoid being gay for whatever reason, and I think most people thought of it as aiming at being "fully" a man or woman with the idea of a woman with a penis for example being aberrant for most. The comedy at the time also generally viewed it as a kind of off kilter if not outright grotesque oddity, I can remember comedy bits discussing the delicate microsurgery of SRS, or people transitioning and not passing, or people wanting to transition for no other reason than those being shocking or weird ideas to laugh at, that now would probably rightly be seen as mean spirited.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >option to avoid being gay for whatever

      My experience, being on this board, people think that it's unreasonable because they feel that a troony is stigmatized more than being gay.

      What they fail to realize is, if you could pass as female, you weren't stigmatized like being gay in 1980

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Right, even joke depictions of trans people had them passing

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          If you look basically female and your voice is basically feminine sounding you could pass anywhere in the United States back in the 1980s. You could pass without any suspicion if you lived in one of the conservative states where they never suspected anybody of being gay or trans. Everyone thought trans acted like drag queens and had plastic parts glued on their body

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The south is still like that lmao, but I’m leaving anyway

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I live in the south because nobody thinks about transsexual and it's easier to just fit in and pass well I probably pass really good anyway but why chance it I don't know if I'd pass in Hollywood Boulevard or South Beach?

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I wonder how it was to be trans during the 90s
    lol you hugboxed zoomers wouldn't survive the "homo" insult barrage of the early 00s

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    19 years hrt, 35 years old. With the internet it wasn’t too hard to figure things out. The main difference between then and now is that back then everyone wanted to transition to become women (or men). Everything we did was to actualize our womanhood.

    Nowadays people transition to be trans, the “non-binary” loophole is the most terrible example of this. When I transitioned, we wanted trans invisibility, but now, since people transition to be “special” rather than because of dysphoria, you have a lot of special snowflakes speaking for the actual dysphoria-bearing individuals and screaming “NOTICE ME!”

    Being trans has become a grift and several of the long-term/stealth transitioners I know have gone terf mode because of the absolute jackassery of they/them celebrities and social media/meme/grifter culture.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This sounds like a huge cope to convince yourself that you're a real heckin valid uwu troony.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, but I pass and I’m stealth, I banked sperm and have biological kids. I’m living a normal life. That’s my cope. How about you?

        Imagine being so old and out of touch that you start unironically spouting this "get off my lawn!!"-tier shit

        Glad you’re seething that I’m happy 🙂

        Roughly your age with about same time on HRT and I agree.

        Also, what was back then that people did not whine about not passing. Everyone put hard effort and learned hairstyles and makeup when needed. Passing was not option, but something everyone had to achieve and boymoding was considered to be like admitting failure.

        Not that there weren't boomerhons. Sure there were, but they invented elaborate methods to to lie to themselves that they pass. See Susan's Place for example.

        And I miss this aspect about old times trans culture the most. Though I guess reality is more sad and those with worst passing genetics simple repped or 41% and that's why every early trans (which then meant like under 25) seemed to pass so well then I guess.

        But it is still 100% true that trannies these aren't putting enough effort into their transition and with effort many can pass.

        Agree with you.

        [...]

        If you two really would know anything about the trans scene back then your posting is entirely besides the point (effort meme, trans grifters).

        And how would you even know about other trans people back then? You were 10 yo ffs and there was no grinder, myspace anything. Just email, fictionmania and maybe yahoo groups about diy hrt.

        First of all, I had the internet since I was like 4, back when America Online Dial-Up was pay by the minute. I spent a lot of time on IRC talking about anime (Ranma 1/2) and other stuff as a kid. Then I moved to a major city. I went to NYC and met other people there that I networked with on IRC.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >How about you?
          I got on hrt at the same time and I pass just fine. I don't see why you see enbies as an attentionseekingthing. I think its kind of shallow of you to instantly assume they're all the stereotypical theyfab.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lol! There were no enbies prior to 2015 tumblr, not in any online circle, not in any in person circle.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This bait is even funnier because its right below

            There were basically no troonys because it wasn't socially acceptable to be mentally ill back then.

            We called them crossdressers and they didn't try to force their abberrant behaviours on the rest of normal society. Shit like "gender reassignment surgery" and hormone "therapy" wasn't normalized and pushed on small children like today.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Their attitude is definitely one that I'd say was more common at the time and I still see in some circles today, the quiet life transition.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, IRC was extremely important though there weren't much troony IRC channels in my country.

          Also, forums can't forget them cause web 1.0 (or whatever you want to call it) or the "old internet" relied on them. There were numerous other trans forums than just Laura's Playground and cringe Susan's Place. I don't remember all the names, but one was called like TGboards or TGforums I think? Then there was like one openly fetishy (sissy) type forum that still maybe exists and despite it's open fetish nature had large transsexual userbase, I guess kind rebellious proto "proud AGP fetishist" crowd, but ironically back then AGP was universally denied of existing and hated anywhere lmao.

          But yes yahoogroups and the like, but those were like for weird fetishes more than trannies or atleast I used yahoo groups exclusively for that purposes lmao. Miss them though.

          And livejournal for the proto-attentionprostitutes haha, but good girls like myself never touched stuff like that no.

          And of course from like 2004(or was it 2005?) there existed 420chan with /cd/ board which for all purposes was askhuwually proto /tttt/

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being so old and out of touch that you start unironically spouting this "get off my lawn!!"-tier shit

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're literally using a millennial anime website right now, why are you here?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >implying 90% of this board's userbase isn't under the age of 25
          You're definitely the odd one out here, grandma

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why did you all decide to co-opt a millennial anime website though? Do you just want to be us or something? Why not make your own website?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Why don't you make your own? Why co-opt what is no longer a millennial anime website?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            How can millennials co-opt a website made by and for millennials? You're not making any sense.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This website was made to talk about anime, not because it was supposed to be a millennial safe space or whatever. If you're going to get angry that new people are using it and making new content for you to read then you should leave.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao zoomers love having entitled ass opinions can’t wait to see how they respond to civilization’s collapse. Probably cry when the internet goes out and they can’t send their selfies anywhere.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Cry harder hag, why not go to susans place with the other oldgays?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not co-opting shit, I've been here over a decade, I'm not some Twitter refugee
            Newsflash: when a website has existed for 20 years, there will be plenty of younger people using it who aren't just fresh off the boat
            It's not my fault that your ossified boomer brain has lost so much plasticity that you've been rendered unable to accept any new ideas

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Co-opting it 10 years ago doesn't make it not co-opting.
            Also yes, new things are bad.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            nta, she seems hella annoying, but it isn't, trust me lol

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Roughly your age with about same time on HRT and I agree.

      Also, what was back then that people did not whine about not passing. Everyone put hard effort and learned hairstyles and makeup when needed. Passing was not option, but something everyone had to achieve and boymoding was considered to be like admitting failure.

      Not that there weren't boomerhons. Sure there were, but they invented elaborate methods to to lie to themselves that they pass. See Susan's Place for example.

      And I miss this aspect about old times trans culture the most. Though I guess reality is more sad and those with worst passing genetics simple repped or 41% and that's why every early trans (which then meant like under 25) seemed to pass so well then I guess.

      But it is still 100% true that trannies these aren't putting enough effort into their transition and with effort many can pass.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Roughly your age with about same time on HRT and I agree.

      Also, what was back then that people did not whine about not passing. Everyone put hard effort and learned hairstyles and makeup when needed. Passing was not option, but something everyone had to achieve and boymoding was considered to be like admitting failure.

      Not that there weren't boomerhons. Sure there were, but they invented elaborate methods to to lie to themselves that they pass. See Susan's Place for example.

      And I miss this aspect about old times trans culture the most. Though I guess reality is more sad and those with worst passing genetics simple repped or 41% and that's why every early trans (which then meant like under 25) seemed to pass so well then I guess.

      But it is still 100% true that trannies these aren't putting enough effort into their transition and with effort many can pass.

      If you two really would know anything about the trans scene back then your posting is entirely besides the point (effort meme, trans grifters).

      And how would you even know about other trans people back then? You were 10 yo ffs and there was no grinder, myspace anything. Just email, fictionmania and maybe yahoo groups about diy hrt.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Not that anon, but the OP said 90s and early 00s, and the first of those two anons said she started hrt 19 years ago, which would be early 2000s when she was 16 years old.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I was able to meet through IRL support groups. Mostly horrible boomerhons, but found young trannies eventually. Trans friend groups were fricking small then.

        Also I was not 10 wtf? I was 18 when I transitioned in 2005 and about 15 when I realized I need to transition and that it's possible. One particular site that I thank for that is TSRoadmap. Without that site ai wouldn't have ever learned how to transition succesfully.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wow so old and so long on HRT yet complete pants on head moronic thinking people "transition to be trans"

      Literally have a nice day

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They kinda do though. It's rare to meet a young mtf who refers to herself as a woman.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Wow young trans people I meat on the internet being crushed by mountains of bullying and suspicion and psyoped with complete pseudoscience like AGP can't confidently and proudly identify as women before they pass. Wow. yeah that DEFINITELY Means they don't want to be women and aren't trying to transition.

          You're literally just falling for poisonous psy ops against your own community. of course someone who is 22 yo and pre srs is more insecure than a 40 year old post op troony.

          and actual NB people are marooned in an online community dominated by binary MtFs and FtMs and its often hard for them to participate or talk about their own experience because of all the hazing about being fake. a couple twitter profiles of theyfabs you saw does not literally equate to the entire current body of young trans people. gimme a break, lurk moar.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >and actual NB people are marooned in an online community dominated by binary MtFs and FtMs and its often hard for them to participate or talk about their own experience because of all the hazing about being fake.
            I think this has been kind of interesting, like in the early 90s and probably the 80s, seemed like there was more of an attempt to go against gender norms and dress kids less like obviously boys or obviously girls. For adults as well, there was something great about women having access to the pants suits and shoulder pads and what not. It's had a come back, but not as women's fashion so much but as enby fashion, and I think that's partly because the man and woman gender roles have become weirdly strict again.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          are you.... angry that trans women call themselves trans women?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            More just sad that we worked decades for acceptance and then some fat chick with blue hair and IBS squatted and took a violent orange Taco Bell shit all over it all, and now suddenly clocking people in public and eliminating trans healthcare is the #1 priority in most developed nations.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The concept of being post-transition seems alien now, which is disconcerting, yes. I wouldn't say I'm angry, but assimilation is good for us.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Now you have gone senile or are exaggerating for ideological point. I know as oldtrans about the "problem" you're talking, but it isn't that bad.

          Also, you don't need to sugarcoat it on this board like on leddit, but you can openly say here it's specifically FtM theyfabs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Plenty of “boymoders” and “manmoders” and “enbycopers.” How many people on here say “I’ve been a woman for 5 years.” Nobody. “I’ve been trans for 5 years / I’m 5 years hrt”

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          People who are successful say that, seen it quite a lot here. And have some sympathy for failures. Their whining maybe annoying, but some are still decent people and some maybe actually permafricked when it comes to passing.

          Usually successful trannies here are of course only strict anons like myself because only losers with nothing to lose can risk to become tripgays here. If you have life, you just come shitpost and vent here. Maybe also to help other people if you're a decent person. But coming here to prostitute attention is bad mistake!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            only losers with nothing to lose can risk to become tripgays here.

            Not if you're a played out

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I've been a man for almost 12 years
          I've been on T for a total of 3 years

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            11 year olds aren’t allowed to post

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >long-term/stealth transitioners I know have gone terf mode because of the absolute jackassery of they/them celebrities and social

      It's not that at all. Someone like me can't name one celebrity until I came on this board a year ago. I didn't even know who Kim was.

      Most of us transition because we wanted to fit into society's norms and felt that being male and very feminine was stigmatized and it was better to pass as a woman

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That was a disgusting era and not everyone wanted trans invisibility. Some of us may have, as you clearly did, but most of us were just forced to do that in order to transition--it was the only future that was allowed for us without being murdered or suiciding. People struggling for the only option other than dying doesn't show how great it is or that they would want that if they were in present day.

      And I know it sure didn't for me. Even back then I though the deep stealth white picket fence shit was stupid and purely set up to make cis people comfortable, and I was definitely not alone.

      Also perhaps you just didn't know nonbinary people in the 00s? I did. They were much the same as they are now. They're just coming out earlier, like binary trans people, and there's more of them doing it, like binary trans people.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Underage enby hands typed this shit lmfao

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm 32 years old and I came out 18 years ago, in this era where supposedly it was all trans men and women joyuflly trying to blend into society, and I still, apparently, sound like an underage enby. And a bitter one.

          I hope that you yourself are young because if not, you should know better. I don't like it when people spread this shit to kids who weren't even there. There's already enough bad history floating around from cis propagandists just making shit up.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't see either choice and all through the 90s I was married to an older man. I always went along with the conventional ways of society because I was too stupid to know how to do anything different just like I was too stupid to hide my femininity as a child.

        I always believe that if I hadn't been such a dummy I wouldn't have had to transition in the first place. Then I met someone really intelligent that transitioned and I started thinking the way you do now

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    back in those days people still said transvestite

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yeah though that just meant fetishist and usually was ugly boomer crossdresser

      transsexual was the relevant word for actual trannies, but then transvestites wanted to join "the fun" with transsexuals and invented transgender (late 90s) and then things have been kinda broken and too hard for old people myself to understand (which is why I yell bullshit at anything else than transsexxuality)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      so what? does that word hurt your feefees?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No I'm a chaser

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >trooned too late to be in the /cd/ kageshi skype generation
    >born too early to be a zoomzoom youngshit
    jdimsa

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I pushed her away
    I walked to the door
    I fell to the floor
    I got down on my knees

    I came out when I was 11, shortly before Caitlyn Jenner did. 2012. Sure it wasn't the 90s or 2000s, but things were more or less the same the year I realized, 2009, not much public discussion, though things started rapidly picking up as "I am jazz" became a TV show and suddenly there was movies on Netflix about being trans and RuPaul gained popularity.

    Socially though, trannies were still not a common thing for people to know about. Even back then, murder was a thing looming over people's heads, if they came out, if they fell in love, if they told their family, if they went to work, etc. There was still fully the laws allowing discrimination, there was still the common knowledge that you will most likely be made homeless. The only guaranteed jobs were sex work, which is exactly what ruined public opinion, because nobody knew "oh, you usually don't get hired at all, or you get fired, or murdered" and the only options for trans people have usually been sex work. People also thought the only trans people were trans women, and because of RuPaul, thought they all were the same as drag queens and trans women were just intense gay people.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I was trans in the late 2000s. It was a lonely, labyrinthine existence. There were no clinics. The LGB club at my college didn't have a T in it, and I was the only trans person period. After performing gymnastics to receive treatment, I just quietly lived my life.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hello Caitlyn

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I think my uni's student union board and roles had LGBTQ+'d by the late 00s, but I remember a lot of exclusionary stuff (the women's officer could mostly only be voted for by afabs) some of which would be called out as TERFism today.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >There were no clinics. The LGB club at my college didn't have a T in it, and I was the only trans person period.

      Nobody wanted to be known as trans when I transitioned. I first started cross living in the late seventies and transitioned in the early 80s. I went to a community college and never told anyone I was trans. If I didn't look good enough to pass I would have not fully transitioned. I didn't really to escape from the gay community

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        that's wild. almost hard to believe.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's a lot easier to believe than somebody who transitions to be a transsexual or transgender publicly and live their life to sexual minority. I'd rather be a gay guy than be something hard for me to understand?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There were basically no troonys because it wasn't socially acceptable to be mentally ill back then.

    We called them crossdressers and they didn't try to force their abberrant behaviours on the rest of normal society. Shit like "gender reassignment surgery" and hormone "therapy" wasn't normalized and pushed on small children like today.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      take you pilss shizo

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    In the 90ties gay was what trannies are today. Joks would constantly bully you with being gay:

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Very simple:
    🙁

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For most of us who don't deserve to be happy, it was acting male and doing whatever male stuff you did. If we actually deserved it we would have found out about what you need to transition and executed s plan to doing it. Trans people like myself who delayed into the 2010s despite being capable of using a computer by the 90s or 00s and instead remained male or worse acted more male to fit in and called others homosexuals and used gay as a slur, while arguably don't not deserve to transition, don't deserve to pass, be happy, or join society as a full human me get.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      *full human member

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      as someone who trooned early 2000s and definitely wouldn't have passed if I did it later I kinda wonder why the hell you did that though? was it cowardice (imagine sensitive bullied crying homosexuals that early trans of my time were being more brave lmao) or parental pressure?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Because I was moronic and don't deserve to be happy. If you want to be charitable and you shouldn't because I don't deserve it, it's because I didn't know you could actually do anything other than cross dress and thinking that I could actually be a girl was on the same level of fantasy as making my cat talk to me or waving my arms and lifting off the ground flying.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          don't kinda get how that's possible with internet being available (like you said yourself), more likely you were intentionally refusing to transition and just wanted to know why, but if you don't wanna tell the real reason then so be it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Idk why you don't believe me other than trolling me, which I deserve, I have no reason to lie itt.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        For me it was fear, lack of knowledge, peer pressure, and hoping it would all go away.

        Im an NPC and what other people thought of me was extremely important

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      as someone who trooned early 2000s and definitely wouldn't have passed if I did it later I kinda wonder why the hell you did that though? was it cowardice (imagine sensitive bullied crying homosexuals that early trans of my time were being more brave lmao) or parental pressure?

      Skill issue
      You had the internet since the 70s and you had lunch breaks in school and time afterward

      If you consider the early millenium prior to the DSM-V then stuff was certainly weird. 90’s to late 2000’s is like a weird snapshot in time for some parts of the world that weren’t as progressive.

      I knew a trans girl who had transitioned on HRT and was organising FFS and SRS. In 2012, the one psychologist in our city declined to diagnose her with Gender Identity Disorder. He thought she wasn’t feminine enough based on the photos she showed him and partially because a sibling died before she was born which meant she had an attachment disorder despite her life being otherwise unremarkable and average. She passed but she was just middle age.

      Online trans community used terms like “gg” for “genetic girl” and my mind was blown when I ran into my first pansexual person during school. Bailey Jay really opened the floodgates on what was achieveable if you transitioned. Psychs would do dumb shit like see you in women’s jeans and a blouse with hair past your breasts and ask if you really believed that’s “girl clothing.” Being openly trans got you harassed by people that would later turn around in life and say they “always accepted trans people” because now we’re all in our 30’s and they don’t recognise us after transitioning so long.

      Most of all it was lonely since being nonpassing and going outside was so dangerous. Never met another trans person until 2016 when I went to a support group and it was just 3 of us around a table. Now there’s easily 20-30 in an average meetup. Very cool.

      There were probably 800 people in the world with internet in the 1970s

      The internet was basically empty in the 90s and early millenium compared to today and many features were lacking. Also if you weren't an adult you probably didn't have access to the internet or even a computer on your own. You had dial up, pay by minute 56k modem which was insanely slow. There was no google or wiki were you could read up on transgender stuff or diy hrt. Yes, there were some forums and resources but back then you basically had to know the exact url to find them and often just found useless shit like https://www.transformation.co.uk/ or fictionmania. So you were extremely isolated and didn't know how transition worked. Back then hrt was also not really prominent but there was only talk about the obscure sex change operation but no details. You wouldn't know where to get this stuff and wouldn't dare to talk about it with anyone irl. So 'early' transition in those times only worked if you were extremely lucky like extremely gnc child with accepting, educated middle/upper class parents in a progressive country.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Real internet existed and Google for several years before I went to uni and at uni I had my own computer. I have no excuse.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There'll have been stuff on usenet and what not. Also by the late 90s plenty of relatively useable search engines.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          They weren't as good as today and the (trans) resources were almost non-existant compared to today. The biggest problem was though the access to computers and the internet. In the early 90s only nerds or people who worked at university had access to them. As a minor you were lucky when your parents let you use the family computer but like I said it was dial up/pay by the minute. So you couldn't hang out the whole time. After the millenium you got mostly into contact with computers through games but it wasn't until I discovered imageboards in 2007 that I knew young, passable transwomen were a thing.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I was a cross dresser in the 2000s, it was kino because gay people were the political wedge issue and if you were trans or gender non conforming people just thought you didnt exist and you could blend into society

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Only if you passed though, I can tell that non-passers cause I didn't pass on early HRT for some time and it was learning experience. I have no idea how bad non-passing is these days (cause I consistently keep passing, live as just a woman has become natural to me at this point), but since I keep hearing worst things being misgendering or getting called names, I'd say early 2000s was far worse for non-passers with threat of violence being real possibility.

      Suppose it's still same in more conservative areas, but as plus passing is easier yes.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Those who couldn't pass dressed in drag in those days didn't transition.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you consider the early millenium prior to the DSM-V then stuff was certainly weird. 90’s to late 2000’s is like a weird snapshot in time for some parts of the world that weren’t as progressive.

    I knew a trans girl who had transitioned on HRT and was organising FFS and SRS. In 2012, the one psychologist in our city declined to diagnose her with Gender Identity Disorder. He thought she wasn’t feminine enough based on the photos she showed him and partially because a sibling died before she was born which meant she had an attachment disorder despite her life being otherwise unremarkable and average. She passed but she was just middle age.

    Online trans community used terms like “gg” for “genetic girl” and my mind was blown when I ran into my first pansexual person during school. Bailey Jay really opened the floodgates on what was achieveable if you transitioned. Psychs would do dumb shit like see you in women’s jeans and a blouse with hair past your breasts and ask if you really believed that’s “girl clothing.” Being openly trans got you harassed by people that would later turn around in life and say they “always accepted trans people” because now we’re all in our 30’s and they don’t recognise us after transitioning so long.

    Most of all it was lonely since being nonpassing and going outside was so dangerous. Never met another trans person until 2016 when I went to a support group and it was just 3 of us around a table. Now there’s easily 20-30 in an average meetup. Very cool.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for reminding me I never would have made it anyway even as late as 2012

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Most of all it was lonely since being nonpassing and going outside was so dangerous.
      Yeah, as someone who was GNC throughout childhood and early adulthood in the 90s and 00s (essentially a feminine looking man) the endless amount of both outright and passive aggressive shit you'd get was endless. I'd walk to school, get shit from random people all the way there, get shit from students and teachers in school, get shit walking back home, some of these being threats of violence because some creep got weird feelings from seeing a young teenager with long hair. Even the joking "I will grab you and shave you" shit that for some reason was a go to. Very weird to look back on now.

      A lot of people were accepting, but there was absolutely no sense I think that the people shit talking you ought to reel it in/keep it to themselves/not do that, and there is that sense now in a lot of places at least.

      From the early 2010s I changed how I presented myself for a while, I think that's more to do with going into the workplace and being an "adult" where stuff like this was more of an issue really than it being about the time. It's only very recently though that I think people are actually all that accepting.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >It's another "multiple people have threatened to cut your hair off in your sleep and make you stop looking like a homosexual" day
        I was surprised reading Rain and getting to the arc (a chapter called Wings released in 2015) where she has her hair cut off in her sleep and the reaction to it (mostly that other characters actually cared).

        Go back a decade or two and if you had your hair cut off in your sleep your parents and friends would probably just tell you that you deserved it for being a long hair homosexual dicksucker. Being hated and accepting "yeah, I got abused and no-one gives a shit as usual" was just a normal part of daily life.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I was out (in some places IRL and online) starting in 2003 and out in most places IRL in 2004. If you want to know, ask

  18. 1 year ago
    th

    They made a neat movie about it.

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