>I will write an epic for my people by stealing from other culture's myths!

>I will write an epic for my people by stealing from other culture's myths!
Bravo, Tolkien. Perfect encapsulation of the Anglo spirit.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkein was German.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      In his mind, he was an Englishman writing le big English epic.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Just like Borges.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Borges never wrote an epic.

          How do you think every other epic was made? How do you think every other culture's myths were made?
          Culture doesn't form in a vacuum. Every culture borrows off of cultures in close contact with them. That's why every religion has a universal flood myth. That's why every culture and every religion has a messianic dying-God myth. That's why every culture and every religion has a Mother-Goddess myth. That's why every culture and every religion has a going-down-into-the-underworld-and-getting-out myth. Every culture, every religion. Cultures spread their mythical and epic motifs. Tolkien isn't doing anything new or alarming by any historical standard. Grow up.

          Those myths happened organically. Tolkien's work is an artificial construct by his own admission and he did it for profit. Imagine taking all these foreign myths, remixing them, and then putting your name on the result. Gross.

          >>I will improve and combine multiple European epics to create a new magical world
          FIFY

          >Improve
          lmao nice bait

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Get a job Finngay, this was 4:30 in the morning lmao.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Then why not write in German? Also I'm sure he had English ancestry on his maternal side.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He was british.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No he wasn’t.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      OK so were the angles, jutes, and saxons who moved to England. What's your point? He was a white guy raised in England his entire life.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >I hate anglos so much I'm going to make another 'le anglo hate thread'
    >what do I make it about
    >ahh here is a popular English author
    >what lie can I tell I the hope of perpetuating
    >

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I am, somehow, a victim here!
      This thread is explicitly about Tolkien the Thieving Rat, sonny.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Truth hurts.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Truth is relative, anyways

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >sonny
        You're too old to be here.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm a victim because someone in the past did a thing!

        Incel vibes.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          How am I saying any of that?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >lie
      It's a very well-known fact that Tolkien viewed LoTR as an epic for the English people. He stated it multiple times in interviews. It's also well known that Tolkien's whole mythology is stolen from the Kalevala. Many Tolkien scholars admit this.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It is not. And no they do not. It doesn't even draw anything from it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's the finnish schizo.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >what lie can I tell
      Tolkien literally, actually took from the myths and languages of other cultures. You may not agree with, OPs take, but he is definitely not lying.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Every writer, ever creative person, builds on what they know and like. It's not stealing. You morons are the same kind of ilk as the guys suing George Harrison or Led Zeppelin for "Stealing Riffs". In the age of the meme no less
        The Kalevala autist itt went on and on about how Tolkien copied it, but it itself was written by a guy copying and building on folk tales and songs
        Grow up

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's quite sad really that you are comparing creations of infantile fantasy authors made for low brow audeinces to Karelian oral folklore and timeless wisdom that is thousands of years old

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Kalevala is not authentic you mong

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Then read Old Kalevala

            You think Lönnrot just made up these poems?

            Read The Old Kalevala if you feel that few additions in the newer versions made by Lönnrot somehow made it "not authentic"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's an epic constructed during the time age of national romanticism. It's funny that you have such a hateboner for Tolkien, since Lönnrot did exactly the same thing that you are complaining about. Constructed a work from stories he collected and built on. Tolkien did it for the love of creativity and story-telling. If that is so abhorrent to you that you need to continue screeching about it over and over, I will leave you to your petty misery. Have a good rest of your day.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Kalevala exists and existed with or without Lönnrot. Besides, it was already a dying tradition when Lönnrot went to visit and record the last rune singers alive.

            This is akin saying that the archeologists who uncovered Egyptian artifacts and mummies literally invented those relics and monuments. No: it was an act of preservation

            Not conjuring some sort of false narrative for national romanticist purposes only and inventing false glorious past for Finland

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He collected folktales and made a story from them.
            Tolkien, as a philologist, collected written texts, and made a story from them.
            The end.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >He collected folktales and made a story from them.

            No, that is not what he did. Lönnrot collected the oral rune songs that dealt with creation of the world so as to begin Kalevala with those

            It was an act of categorization and giving structure

            Do you think The Bible or Old Testament was written in a same manner how Tolkien wrote The Hibbit, LOTR or Silmarillion? Literally vast amount of material, in a same manner of Kalevala runes, was omitted from The Bible through the centuries before it achieved the form it is known today

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes that is what he did. And those people, those stories were not "Finnish". It's like the Norman-English waxing nostalgic over The Matter of Britain, which was old Welsh folktales, collected, and used to make a national epic
            Obviously I'm not saying that Tolkien did the same thing. Because he did not pretend that what he wrote was somehow "authentic". He wrote his own stories based on the stories he loves. He is a writer, that's what writers do.
            Again. Stop seething and get a grip.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Kalevala is not explicitly Karelian, the fact that the rune tradition still existed in latent form in that region does not make it solely a Karelian tradition and there were/was similar poems and runes found in coastal, western Finland too.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It is to Finland as TLotR is to 60's hippies. A construct, adopted to give them a sense of identity

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, that's not what it is. Those poems would have existed and did exist without Lönnrot.

            Lönnrot, like Tolkien, were fennomans and obsessed with Finnish national spirit.

            Even the actor of Saruman in the Peter Jackson adaption of LOTR was a fennomaniac:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lee
            >When the Second World War broke out in 1939, Lee had enrolled in a military academy and volunteered to fight for the Finnish Army against the Soviet Union during the Winter War.[30] He and other British volunteers were kept away from the actual fighting, but they were issued with winter gear and were posted on guard duty a safe distance from the border. After two weeks in Finland, they returned home.[31][32] In a later interview, Lee stated that he knew how to shoot but not how to ski and that he probably would not be alive if he had been allowed to go to the front line.

            These anglos were obsessed Finland to a degree that this young man willingly came here, without compensation, to sacrifice his life for the independence of Finland

            But Finland does not need these anglos

            We do not need tolkien like we didnt need the contribution of Christopher Lee

            We do not need you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And yet here you are, screeching about how much you don't care to people who don't care at all
            Doesn't quite add up, now, does it?

            And the poems would no longer exist, except for the story that Lönnrot built from them. Again, just like Welsh Arthur would have been lost if it hadn't been for the Matter of Britain. That they did exist doesn't mean anything, because they had no connection to the National Romantic idea of Finland or "Finnishness". They were co-opted by Lönnrot to become that.

            Again, the only difference between Lönnrot and Tolkien, is that Tolkien does not claim some kind of spiritual authenticity, because he wrote his works as fiction, in the model of ideas that he loved.

            And in that he was more honest. Just as he is much better known and loved. And that is the real reason you can't just relax and read the works for being good stories.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >It's ok when Tolkien steals because ehh le inspiration n shieet

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nationalism brain has done great damage to discourse in this board. morons will genuinely judge a text based on whether its author is from a "based" Nationality or "le cringe" nationality. While at the same time, other homosexuals will interpret any criticism of an author as being an attack on their nation-state. It's so fricking stupid.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      /misc/ go back, stop shitting on threads

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien infantilized world myths and added infantile elements such as goblins, dwarves, hobbits, bobbits and whatnot.

    It's similar how cuisines degraded when Europeans entered American markets and you ended up with goyslop like Corn Beef Hash (ie. food suitable for Americans).

    LOTR is for low brow audiences who want to escape real world myths, legends and folklore to a daydream. They cannot accept reality as it is.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >t. resentful Europoor / second world degenerate

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Good luck staying warm this winter

        Non-arguments.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You aren't interested in an argument, just feeling superior to a culture you don't know anything about.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Good luck staying warm this winter

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine falling for Putin's propaganda... What a dumb mutt...

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          imagine falling for a ukrainian warlords' propaganda - enjoy your winter

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You're mad and I can tell

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Z

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >t. seething non-germanic

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The hobbits are pretty stupid.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >European myths and folklore of yesteryear is more real than European myths of folklore of the 20th century

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sincerely.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Tolkien is not folklore. He's faux-folklore at best. An artificial mishmash creation used for profit and today, even for propaganda.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He's a literary writer. Go to the drunk tank

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >literary writer.
            He's a genre writer who took from myths.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Literary fiction is the correct term. Get the stick out of your autistic ass

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Literary fiction is the correct term
            Not at all. That'd be the term if we were talking about Faulkner or Proust. Tolkien and Rowling are genre fiction.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Literary is the overarching term for fiction which is established to be "literary" in the sense of not true, as opposed to myths and folk stories, which are supposed to be "real" in some sense.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Literary fiction is fiction of the highest quality. Tolkien is genre fiction. Genre fiction is also not real.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >infantile elements such as goblins, dwarves, hobbits, bobbits and whatnot
      The earliest Norse sources had trolls, goblins, elves and dwarves, and you will keep your ignorant mouth shut about my cultural heritage

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        These mythological entities and nations had an aura of evil, mischief and obscurity to them and were associated with races of past ages such as Tuatha Dé Danann.

        In the European pagan systems, Any natural object possessed not only its material characteristics, but was a manifestation of a more or less tangible idea on which it depended. The Pool was a pool, true; but also there was a nymph or water elemental whose home it was. In her turn, the pool's inhabitant was dependent on a superior kind of nymph, who was much less closely attached to any given pool, but more to pools in general.

        Tolkien infantilized all of this and made them seem like some merry little creatures having teatime and biscuits and whose sole existence was dependent on being merry little woodland critters.

        And thus the whole work of Tolkien is filled with miscalculations and Christian superstitious dogmatism when trying to "unlock" and "understand" folklore of ancient Europe. Then you end up with Tolkien self-inserting characteristics to elementals and inhabitants of the earth element (gnomes), who in the folklore were laborious and patient, and they become the hideous infantile dwarves of Tolkien, who are now chiefly concerned with grossness and avarice.

        >Ui! Let me sing the song of my race! And then we have jolly tea and biscuits with my Bobbity-Hobbity Fellows!

        He raped the European myths.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Take your meds

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The Pool was a pool, true; but also there was a nymph or water elemental whose home it was
          It is addressed in Silmarillion.
          >dependent on a superior kind of nymph, who was much less closely attached to any given pool, but more to pools in general.
          "'The Evil of the North has defiled the springs of Sirion, and my power withdraws from the fingers of the flowing waters.""

          The Valar are the elements of Arda. Ulmo IS water. But, due to Melkor's interference, we got dead inanimated matter, i.e. modern day physics. Water becomes mere water.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Tolkien infantilized all of this
          Tolkien reutilized all of this. To provide mythological answers to different kinds of modern problems. To reactivate that mythological feel in a modern day commoner.

          Tolkien is not folklore. He's faux-folklore at best. An artificial mishmash creation used for profit and today, even for propaganda.

          >An artificial mishmash creation used for profit
          He wrote LotR for decades and Silmarillion throughout all his life and solely for himself. This is not how "for profit" works. But it did brought profit when published, because people sensed that the effort involved is way above your usual commercial shit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          BASED

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The Pool was a pool, true; but also there was a nymph or water elemental whose home it was
            It is addressed in Silmarillion.
            >dependent on a superior kind of nymph, who was much less closely attached to any given pool, but more to pools in general.
            "'The Evil of the North has defiled the springs of Sirion, and my power withdraws from the fingers of the flowing waters.""

            The Valar are the elements of Arda. Ulmo IS water. But, due to Melkor's interference, we got dead inanimated matter, i.e. modern day physics. Water becomes mere water.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah Tolkien really infantilized the ADULT AND MATURE Norse mythology by adding... Dwarfs, which always existed in Norse myth?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        See

        These mythological entities and nations had an aura of evil, mischief and obscurity to them and were associated with races of past ages such as Tuatha Dé Danann.

        In the European pagan systems, Any natural object possessed not only its material characteristics, but was a manifestation of a more or less tangible idea on which it depended. The Pool was a pool, true; but also there was a nymph or water elemental whose home it was. In her turn, the pool's inhabitant was dependent on a superior kind of nymph, who was much less closely attached to any given pool, but more to pools in general.

        Tolkien infantilized all of this and made them seem like some merry little creatures having teatime and biscuits and whose sole existence was dependent on being merry little woodland critters.

        And thus the whole work of Tolkien is filled with miscalculations and Christian superstitious dogmatism when trying to "unlock" and "understand" folklore of ancient Europe. Then you end up with Tolkien self-inserting characteristics to elementals and inhabitants of the earth element (gnomes), who in the folklore were laborious and patient, and they become the hideous infantile dwarves of Tolkien, who are now chiefly concerned with grossness and avarice.

        >Ui! Let me sing the song of my race! And then we have jolly tea and biscuits with my Bobbity-Hobbity Fellows!

        He raped the European myths.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I thought a lot of the power of this stuff is the supposed interrelated/perennial character of the myths. If you’re trying to fit into that tradition you aren’t really stealing you’re trying to lose your cultural particularity in the monomyth or whatever. That’s the impression I get from grazing the trad/fantasy/religion threads on IQfy at least

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How do you think every other epic was made? How do you think every other culture's myths were made?
    Culture doesn't form in a vacuum. Every culture borrows off of cultures in close contact with them. That's why every religion has a universal flood myth. That's why every culture and every religion has a messianic dying-God myth. That's why every culture and every religion has a Mother-Goddess myth. That's why every culture and every religion has a going-down-into-the-underworld-and-getting-out myth. Every culture, every religion. Cultures spread their mythical and epic motifs. Tolkien isn't doing anything new or alarming by any historical standard. Grow up.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >>I will improve and combine multiple European epics to create a new magical world
    FIFY

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    But it's still white people culture.
    Guess he should have based it on more Nordic/Germanic/Celtic mythos.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Muh wypipo calchur
      moronic american

      >stealing
      And here we see the eternal israelite, culture is property, property is profit, creativity is theft, only greed, jealousy, stupidity remain

      He took another nation's myths, remixed and neutered them, slappped his name on it and profitted. He IS the israelite. May I remind you that he was a philosemite and told the nazis to frick off? Stop the /misc/tarde larp next time you suck his dick.

      These mythological entities and nations had an aura of evil, mischief and obscurity to them and were associated with races of past ages such as Tuatha Dé Danann.

      In the European pagan systems, Any natural object possessed not only its material characteristics, but was a manifestation of a more or less tangible idea on which it depended. The Pool was a pool, true; but also there was a nymph or water elemental whose home it was. In her turn, the pool's inhabitant was dependent on a superior kind of nymph, who was much less closely attached to any given pool, but more to pools in general.

      Tolkien infantilized all of this and made them seem like some merry little creatures having teatime and biscuits and whose sole existence was dependent on being merry little woodland critters.

      And thus the whole work of Tolkien is filled with miscalculations and Christian superstitious dogmatism when trying to "unlock" and "understand" folklore of ancient Europe. Then you end up with Tolkien self-inserting characteristics to elementals and inhabitants of the earth element (gnomes), who in the folklore were laborious and patient, and they become the hideous infantile dwarves of Tolkien, who are now chiefly concerned with grossness and avarice.

      >Ui! Let me sing the song of my race! And then we have jolly tea and biscuits with my Bobbity-Hobbity Fellows!

      He raped the European myths.

      BASED. This literally cannot be refuted.

      All aryan mythology have a common origin. I am scandinavian and think Tolkien basing lots of LotR on norse myth is cool and based. I am flattered he would find our legacy so compelling. Grow up.

      Cringe cuck.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        We've already been over this. Go to bed, poro

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Over what? You have never replied to me about this.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien didn't realise the only reason people would read his books endlessly is because the symbols for elf women and dragons are too overpowered,
    he just stumbled onto those symbols by chance.
    Nerds just plant the movies over the top.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Tolkien did to these myths what Disney did to fairy tales. He neutered them and made them commercial and commodified for the Anglo audience.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >stealing
    And here we see the eternal israelite, culture is property, property is profit, creativity is theft, only greed, jealousy, stupidity remain

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    All aryan mythology have a common origin. I am scandinavian and think Tolkien basing lots of LotR on norse myth is cool and based. I am flattered he would find our legacy so compelling. Grow up.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I am scandinavian and think Tolkien basing lots of LotR on norse myth is cool and based

      Factually incorrect, considering Tolkien himself highlighted Kalevala and the Finnish myths, not Norse myths.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I said Tolkien based "lots" of lotr on norse myth, not all of it. Some of it was also inspired by the bible. Go to bed finnautist.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >I said Tolkien based "lots" of lotr on norse myth

          The word is some. Not "lots", but "some"

          Kalevala was 80% of the influence of LOTR and Silmarillion. The Bible and Norse myths constituted maybe 10-20%

          Honestly, respect the Finns.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Kalevala is not "Finnish". It was some guy exactly like Tolkien making up myths for Swedish rape babies

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        There's plenty of Norse influence to be found as well. Gandalf should suffice.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Aryan mythology

      Kalevala is not aryan, but Uralic heritage. Research more before making factually incorrect statements like this,.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No one is talking about your made up "epic", finntroll

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Tolkien was obsessed with it and based LOTR and Silmarillion on it though.

          If you want to think LOTR and Silmarillion as based on "aryan myths", that's fine, but actual researchers and professors of literature disagree with you. However, they admit the Finnish influence.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >but actual researchers and professors of literature disagree
            Cite them or frick off

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This is not even up for debate my friend. You are being intellectually, and nationalistically, dishonest if you disagree with the above considerations. I am sorry kid.

            Bachelor’s Seminar and Thesis
            English Philology

            Researching J.R.R. Tolkien:
            How Kalevala influenced his legendarium
            http://jultika.oulu.fi/files/nbnfioulu-201804201498.pdf

            https://jyx.jyu.fi/bitstream/handle/123456789/41456/URN-NBN-fi-jyu-201305151681.pdf;sequ
            J.R.R. Tolkien’s Land of Heroes–
            Fëanor, a tragic hero of Middle-Earth in
            comparison to Seppo Ilmarinen from the Kalevala

            University of Jyväskylä
            Department of Languages
            English

            What J.R.R. Tolkien Really Did with the Sampo?
            Jonathan B. Himes
            https://dc.swosu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1342&context=mythlore

            https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34063157
            https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Kalevala
            https://library.stonybrook.edu/2019/12/10/j-r-r-tolkien-and-the-kalevala/
            http://jultika.oulu.fi/files/nbnfioulu-201804201498.pdf

            +50 other numerous academic studies.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >my friend
            >kid
            Your pettiness shows
            "Citing" is not listing some copy+paste sources. Quote the actual disagreements with their sources instead of your bs

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You disagree with Verlyyn Flieger?

            How much Tolkien exactly did steal from the Finns and the Kalevala?

            >Tolkien wrote that The Story of Kullervo was ‘the germ of my attempt to write legends of my own’, and was ‘a major matter in the legends of the First Age’; his Kullervo was the ancestor of Túrin Turambar, tragic incestuous hero of The Silmarillion. In addition to being a powerful story in its own right, The Story of Kullervo – published here for the first time with the author’s drafts, notes and lecture-essays on its source-work, The Kalevala, is a foundation stone in the structure of Tolkien’s invented world.

            Verlyn Flieger, who wrote that above quotation, is the Professor in the Department of English at the University of Maryland.

            Why does IQfy say that the influence of Kalevala was rather minor, when university professors and academia say contrary things and tell us that the Finnish myths and national epics of Finland formed the very backbone of Tolkien's mythological world?

            Who is right? Some neckbeards on 4chinz or actual professors who study linguistics, mythology and world literature?

            Because after all, you are on 4chinz and know better than professors at the university of Maryland?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So Tolkien was inspired by Lönnrot to make a fake epic of his own, and no one gives a shit, because unlike Lönnrot, Tolkien was a good writer
            And here you are seething while I goad and laugh at you?
            Good on you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I am the master king of IQfy!! You are here to amuse me like the old kings of Eld had court jesters! Look how superior I am since I am not debating i am just laughing at the Finnish nation!!

            Whatever kid. Maybe time to re-read the Hibbit the graphical novel with "wahh wahh cool sword look at the cool sword"?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >projecting this hard
            You are really invested in this, maybe get out, talk to some people, chill and have fun?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            How much Tolkien exactly did steal from the Finns and the Kalevala?

            >Tolkien wrote that The Story of Kullervo was ‘the germ of my attempt to write legends of my own’, and was ‘a major matter in the legends of the First Age’; his Kullervo was the ancestor of Túrin Turambar, tragic incestuous hero of The Silmarillion. In addition to being a powerful story in its own right, The Story of Kullervo – published here for the first time with the author’s drafts, notes and lecture-essays on its source-work, The Kalevala, is a foundation stone in the structure of Tolkien’s invented world.

            Verlyn Flieger, who wrote that above quotation, is the Professor in the Department of English at the University of Maryland.

            Why does IQfy say that the influence of Kalevala was rather minor, when university professors and academia say contrary things and tell us that the Finnish myths and national epics of Finland formed the very backbone of Tolkien's mythological world?

            Who is right? Some neckbeards on 4chinz or actual professors who study linguistics, mythology and world literature?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Uralics are aryan. All white people are aryan. Yes, finns are white. Actually among the whitest people.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Finns are mongols, hence trolls

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What was the problem with Arthur, really? Just because the legend of Arthur became a pan-european legend it never stopped being the "matter of england".

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >treating culture and myths as some sort of commodity you can "own" and that has fricking trademark or copyright laws
    Why are people like this? This is like saying the Greeks "stole" the Phoenician alphabet.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Tolkien largely based his world on a Finnish epic, even including a constructed language heavily influenced by Finnish
    >he was absolutely open about this

    I don't see any problem. He didn't say anything to the contrary, as if he were saying he made everything up on its own. Also, what he made with these inspirations was entirely unique, and Tolkien will be remembered as being extremely original, literarily speaking.

    Why don't you accuse him of stealing LotR's Christian concepts from the Bible and infantilizing them as well?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >He didn't say anything to the contrary
      But people do. They say he invented fantasy and he was le unique original creator who fathered fantasy.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That would be Dunsany. Do you even read, bro?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Are you moronic? I'm not the one saying this fraud is the father of fantasy. I'm saying this is what some people say. And no, fantasy existed even before Dunsanny.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No, but you clearly are.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's what some people say, even on IQfy sometimes. It's not my problem they are moronic.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It is however your problem that you seem moronic. It's make people laugh at you and automatically discard anything you say as just being more dumbfrickery from that dumb moron
            But then I'm sure being called a dumb ass moron is the exact reason why you are posting on IQfy in the first case

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What the frick does that have to do with what I said? Way to deflect, Black person.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >but people do
        Yeah, and not him. You shouldn't judge people by the actions of those they have no responsibility over.

        >le unique original creator
        He actually is. No fantasy author had done we he did, before. No author of any other genre at all, in fact. Just because a million people have tried to copy him (all of them failed,) doesn't change that he was and remains unique and original.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          How was he original? He literally stole more than half the shit he's known for.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >How was he original? He literally stole
            It's like saying that Homer isn't original, because he used the same oral formulas you can find in Mahabharata.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >How was he original?
            Everything he fricking did was original. Did Homer invent fictional languages?

            >literally stole
            You really have no idea what this means. He was always open about what was inspiring him.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Did Homer invent fictional languages?
            No and neither did Tolkien. He simply copied
            other languages. He made dialects at best, not languages.

            >How was he original? He literally stole
            It's like saying that Homer isn't original, because he used the same oral formulas you can find in Mahabharata.

            That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking why is he original? It's as if Anglos convinced themselves he's somehow original and the "father of fantasy" or some nonsense. He's a myth himself. Luckily it's one we can call fraudulent.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >He made dialects at best, not languages

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_constructed_by_J._R._R._Tolkien

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Le barebones grammar and the totally-not-Finnish
            Whoa such a master at creating fully fledged langauges. If the bar is like that then Dante created the Italian language with the Divine Comedy.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The amount of futile autistic butthurt of you finntrolls is absolutely glorious
            Show the nice jannie where the bad Anglo touched you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >barebones grammar
            >everything is finnish

            He even made the effort to have the languages evolve over time. Quenya in one era is different from another. If there's anything you're going to criticize Tolkien about it shouldn't be about linguistics.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Quenya in one era is different from another.
            Lmao and it's all Finnish but changing some letters spelling.

            >Gö fakk yarselphi
            Whoa I invented a new language that it's totally not just English. Trust me.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because no one gives a shit about your "culture", finn-Black person
            Is that a clear enough answer for you?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Again, that's like saying Lönnrot "stole" those songs and tales to write his epic
            We've already been over this

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            False equivalence. Tolkien said he wanted to make an epic for his people with other cultures' myths. Lönnrot was simply putting together the very folklore of his own people i.e. not taking from others.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The stories Lönnrot collected were not "his". Not his people, not his stories. He appropriated them to create a "national epic" in the style of Homer, because that was the style of the day. At least Tolkien has enough honesty to appreciate his sources and not let on that his work is the creation of anyone but himself.
            Like I said, we've been over this, if you want to talk shit, at least keep up with the thread

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lönnrot took the oral stories from his own nation to put together a book. People are aware he's not the author but a folkorist. Tolkien
            stole from foreign myths like the Kalevala, the Eddas, etc. to make an """""English""""" epic and somehow deceived the world into thinking he's le original creator. Differences between a noble folkorist and a israeli thief.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >People are aware he's not the author
            Lönnrot is the author. He used those poor people the same way Tolkien used you poor Finns. Apparently irreparable damage has been done to the national psyche, and you had best go to the sauna and drown your sorrows in cheap spirits, because absolutely no one gives a frick
            And everyone loves Tolkien

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Putting your own nation's oral folklore onto the page so it's not lost is as bad as stealing from foreign cultures for profit and claiming it as your own
            We are reaching israeli levels that shouldnt be possible.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >claiming it as your own

            He was open about what was inspiring him. You've been told this multiple times.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He said he wanted to make an epic for his nation (the English). But somehow from stolen mythologies. Bizarre because if someone loves one's nation one creates something out of his own mind.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            So, you misread some interview he gave and went straight to IQfy to reee?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What he made was British. What he made was also Catholic. It was just inspired by other mythologies. I don't see what the fricking problem is.

            Also,

            [...]
            If all he did was steal from Finland, I'm sure you could accomplish what Tolkien did much better than him. You could probably make a lot of money, too, so that you can help out the Karelian nations with their poverty.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >What he made was British
            Not true. He explicitly mentioned making an *English* epic.
            >It was just inspired by other mythologies
            Way more than inspire. That's an understatement.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            And still, no one cares. There's nothing that was "yours", and what Tolkien did was much better by any measure
            Let that seething eat you up while we all laugh at you

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >and what Tolkien did was much better by any measure
            If you like Disney movies rather than the real fairy tales, sure. Bombastic infantilized bastardizations. But if you have a developed sense of taste and critique, then no.

            I'm actually glad that Amazon filled the televised Tolkien phony folklore with grotesque Black folks. Based Bezos raped his creation on TV.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Cry harder. Your kalevala is national romantic thrash, so bad that no one has even tried to make a show of it in the age of Netflix/Amazon anything sells

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >*English*
            Whatever.

            >understatement
            And this somehow equates to cultural theft? He was open about all of his inspirations. He wasn't taking things from elsewhere and saying he made them up himself. Call him unoriginal if you want, but he wasn't 'stealing from the Finns'.

            Please explain how it's stealing if he was always open about what this and that was inspired by. If you don't I'm going to stop wasting my time with you, which would probably be for the best.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Call him unoriginal if you want, but he wasn't 'stealing from the Finns'.
            He was. And he produced his own brand that has made billions. Stealing has its perks.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >billions

            [...]
            If all he did was steal from Finland, I'm sure you could accomplish what Tolkien did much better than him. You could probably make a lot of money, too, so that you can help out the Karelian nations with their poverty.

            I'm done talking to you. Feel free to have the last seething word.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't steal. Thankfully I am not israeli. I create my own stuff, like a man.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You talk shit like a loser, that's all you do
            Now go sleep it off, your head's going to be heavy in the morning

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry for having principles. It must be hard for israeli-minded thieves to understand such a thing. Even a supposed Christian like Tolkien stole. Hilarious and sad.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            You don't have principles. You shitpost and spout the same slurs the same as every other il/lit/erate moron that has turned the board to shit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's funny how my root posts are all about Tolkien (on topic) and all you sheep's posts are about the person talking about it (off topic). If what I said was untrue you wouldn't resort to petty insults but there's truth to it so you must attack and deflect leaving me no choice but to defend myself.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            We settled the thread. You keep ree'ing. You are not OT, you are autistic. Sorry to have to break it to you

            Hold on I made it better for our Finnbros

            kek

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >We settled the thread
            In your mind, maybe. None of that guy's arguments we're refuted.

            Ahh yes another seething leftoid
            the fact that Tolkein lives rent free in the heads of the most disgusting people warms my heart.
            God rest his soul

            Tolkien was a philosemite and an anti-nazi. His work is consoomed by leftists and liberals.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Tolkien was a philosemite and an anti-nazi
            The fact he makes /misc/ eternally ass blasted is another testament to his greatness

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >your own nation
            There is no "nation". You are Swedish/Russian hinterland, and got made a country as a bufferzone. And you are not Aryan, so you can take your muh israelites talk and stick it up your ass. You are not a people, you don't "own" anything. It all belongs to your cultural masters
            Now go cry somewhere else

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Impossibly israeli reply. I can se se your seethe, Schlomo. And no, israelites also rob people around the world.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Aww, every loser always tries the israelite card
            You're the israelite around here, trying to prop yourself up by stealing some glory from poor old Tolkien
            The eternal Finn at it again

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >no u
            Lack of arguments and onto trolling and baiting? Classic move.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's all you've been doing this whole thread, joro

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Anglo-saxons aren't European
    Peak IQfy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >All Europeans are the same and have the same national and cultural identity
      Peak American /misc/tard

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien religion when

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I never knew Finns were such butthurt morons.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >You have to be a Finn to think Tolkien is a fraud

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >He's a shabbos goy for the finns
        Even worse

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        see

        No, that's not what it is. Those poems would have existed and did exist without Lönnrot.

        Lönnrot, like Tolkien, were fennomans and obsessed with Finnish national spirit.

        Even the actor of Saruman in the Peter Jackson adaption of LOTR was a fennomaniac:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lee
        >When the Second World War broke out in 1939, Lee had enrolled in a military academy and volunteered to fight for the Finnish Army against the Soviet Union during the Winter War.[30] He and other British volunteers were kept away from the actual fighting, but they were issued with winter gear and were posted on guard duty a safe distance from the border. After two weeks in Finland, they returned home.[31][32] In a later interview, Lee stated that he knew how to shoot but not how to ski and that he probably would not be alive if he had been allowed to go to the front line.

        These anglos were obsessed Finland to a degree that this young man willingly came here, without compensation, to sacrifice his life for the independence of Finland

        But Finland does not need these anglos

        We do not need tolkien like we didnt need the contribution of Christopher Lee

        We do not need you

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    White people argue about the dumbest fricking shit
    Its fiction my cracka

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Where do you think you are?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        /lit/
        Non stop b***hing and hiding behind layers of irony to make insecurities of low intelligence

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          /shit/ - You want innocent recommendations and literary discussion, frick you israelite Black person have a meme pic

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm gonna walk in here just to tell people I'm black

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Keep giving him (you)s for it and I'm sure he'll stop.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          He's a moron please understand.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Sickens me the anglo Tolkien estate are literal multimillionaires through this franchise while the Karelian nations live under oppression and de-facto poverty

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Quenya in one era is different from another.
      Lmao and it's all Finnish but changing some letters spelling.

      >Gö fakk yarselphi
      Whoa I invented a new language that it's totally not just English. Trust me.

      If all he did was steal from Finland, I'm sure you could accomplish what Tolkien did much better than him. You could probably make a lot of money, too, so that you can help out the Karelian nations with their poverty.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Indo-Europeans share a culture. Its all variations on a theme.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Indo-Europeans share a culture
      Not true.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Not true
        Variations on a theme means its not exact but derivative transformed etc. The amount of scholary work on this now is actually overwhelming and not even Tolken had access to such proof and he just went with it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Finns are mongols, they are not I-E. Hence the spiritual hurt

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >What shall I defile today?

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    That's right, post meme pictures to hide your tears, joro

    Sickens me the anglo Tolkien estate are literal multimillionaires through this franchise while the Karelian nations live under oppression and de-facto poverty

    Just thank your ancestor spirits your terrible "cultural appropriation" wasn't done by Lego or Disney... Yet.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I would rather read Tolkien than the Kalillillia or whatever it's called, sorry finnbros

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's okay. Being a soi redditor is normal these days on IQfy

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I've read that the best Kalevala translation is Friberg (Penguin Classics). Is that correct?

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    TAL QUAN was a proud brother who had his true black history stolen by the white man. TAL QUAN was not Anglo, he was a proud black man. Learn your history chief.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >we wuz elves

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >let's write modern English in Welsh runes
    I still think it's hilarious how this passes for esoteric in the Anglosphere.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny how your ilk always post the stupidest shit, but say it in such a haughty way. I can feel the asspain through the text, it's almost palpable.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The feeling is mutual.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's fine, anon. I don't know what country you are from and I probably couldn't find it on a map. You're good for a laugh, though.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            If you don't know basic geography I wouldn't expect you to understand literature and mythology. It's okay. Leave this for the ableminded and go back to your neutered disneyfied collages.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Basic geography includes places that matter, I am afraid.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It certainly mattered to the man whose wiener you continue to suck. But I wouldn't expect the common anglo pleb to have a good education.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Oh you're the seething Finn again. Lol

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >criticism on a literary board is "seething"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Finns do not need you a bloo bloo
            Then go post on your Finn board, Apu

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Except I never said that. Amazing the dickriding that fanboys would go to just to defend their idol. It's like some soi website rather than IQfy's IQfy.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This is not you?

            No, that's not what it is. Those poems would have existed and did exist without Lönnrot.

            Lönnrot, like Tolkien, were fennomans and obsessed with Finnish national spirit.

            Even the actor of Saruman in the Peter Jackson adaption of LOTR was a fennomaniac:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lee
            >When the Second World War broke out in 1939, Lee had enrolled in a military academy and volunteered to fight for the Finnish Army against the Soviet Union during the Winter War.[30] He and other British volunteers were kept away from the actual fighting, but they were issued with winter gear and were posted on guard duty a safe distance from the border. After two weeks in Finland, they returned home.[31][32] In a later interview, Lee stated that he knew how to shoot but not how to ski and that he probably would not be alive if he had been allowed to go to the front line.

            These anglos were obsessed Finland to a degree that this young man willingly came here, without compensation, to sacrifice his life for the independence of Finland

            But Finland does not need these anglos

            We do not need tolkien like we didnt need the contribution of Christopher Lee

            We do not need you

            Then there are more than one of you crying in this thread, even funnier

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That is in fact not me. There are thankfully lots of people exposing this thieving rat. It's good knowing not everyone on IQfy is a reddit sheep with reddit taste. Next thing you homosexuals will worship JK Rowling and Stephen King.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ITT

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Hold on I made it better for our Finnbros

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >It's funny
        You don't sound amused.

        >let's write modern English in Welsh runes
        I still think it's hilarious how this passes for esoteric in the Anglosphere.

        It does have "weeb learnt his name in katakana and now believes he speaks Japanese" vibes.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ahh yes another seething leftoid
    the fact that Tolkein lives rent free in the heads of the most disgusting people warms my heart.
    God rest his soul

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Country has old mythological stories
    >Literally no one gives a frick and it is all being forgotten
    >Someone records it and publishes it
    >Ah, this is quite inspiring. To think this was all going to vanish into oblivion, such a tragedy. I think I'll make some stories based on this. I'll also tell people their source in the hope that the originals will be spread to a wider audience.
    >No stop it you can't do that!!! It's mine give it back stop stop stop!!!!

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >You will be paid in exposure, bro. And I will profit from your nation's creations lol I love the israelites btw

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

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