I went to a bar, hit on a girl, and she turned out to be a femboy. I didn't really like, go for it once I realized it, but still talked with him / her hung out, next thing I know, I drove her to a park near my house and we laid in the grass in the freezing fucking cold talking about nintendo 64 for literal hours. I offered to drive her back home, she accepted, I drove her back and we exchanged numbers and discords... we've hung out a couple times since and I've honestly been feeling really weird about it... I feel shame in public, but I don't want to stop talking to nor hanging out with her... its weird but I feel myself battling with confusing feelings over the whole thing... I have dated a lot of women, and was on a slight dry spell after my last break up... honestly dating had become really exhausting... but I think I might be getting feelings for her but I don't really know... I'm not gay... but I've been thinking of her sexually the last couple of times we've hung out... shes been... extra touchy... even had a cliche moment where she tripped and I caught her and we kinda awkwardly froze for a bit then pushed away. I don't know what to do.
Fagg
> Be me
> Straight
> Gayest shit ever
Many posts like this
So many gays in denial these days.
reminds me of that one post i read here years ago about OP claiming to be "straight" after having some fat guy suck his dick
Pound that bussy anon
When did you find out she was a he? If you didn’t leave right away, then you’re not fully straight. Don’t try to fool yourself or us.
He is a guy. He has testicles, a cock, and no breasts. Fucking him is fucking another male’s anus. Maybe you felt more at ease being yourself around him because you know it isn’t a female, so anxiety is removed/tempered.
Do whatever you want man, but know a couple things:
>It's gay, even if they call themselves a girl
>They're not a girl
>LGBT (especially trans) almost always have a fuckton of emotional baggage
>Don't fuck someone just because you're horny....
That being said, I could give a fuck if you fuck that guy. Do whatever you want, and don't make your decision purely based on what others might think.
Don't let societal pressure and deeply ingrained reservations get in the way of your happiness. If nothing else, it sounds like you've met another human being that you can connect with. They make you happy. So don't take this situation for granted or throw it away on a whim.
If you respect or care at all about this person, you need to have a conversation with them about your feelings. Don't lead them on and don't bottle things up. I'm sure if they reciprocate respect or care for you they won't pressure you one way or another. You potentially have a real shot at a happy future with this person, no matter the role they take in your life. Don't underestimate what that means.
Reddit tier post. Why do you encourage OP to a world of pain under the guise of happy emotions? You know for a fact the femboy is severely out of touch with reality and mentally ill and this will only end in OP getting complicated and fucked up. And yet you’d have OP sing kumbayah and pretend nothing is abnormal or wrong because muh feelings.
I know for a fact that I have trans friends and family members and they function just like normal people despite what you've been conditioned to believe. Some of them deal with constant mental duress, sure. It's hard to tell where their problems start and the problems imposed on them by others begin because they're constantly harassed and fighting for every important relationship they've ever had not to be torn apart by a matter of their identity.
The others live perfectly functional and normal lives. Deal with the same problems as you and me, have the same ambitions, hopes, and dreams. They're capable of love in every capacity, both inwards and outwards.
The main difference between the two types of trans people I know is whether or not the people they care about accept them for who they are. You probably wouldn't be (aren't?) a happy or mentally stable person if your parents constantly asserted that they don't approve of you for fundamental aspects of your identity that you can't control.
I truly believe OP can find happiness with this person because I see it happen.
Beautifully put.
There it is, the same narcissistic defense for the delusional of gender dysphoria. Time and time again, that same wishy-washy defense is used. “It’s not their fault they’re mentally ill, it’s other people’s fault. Society keeps imposing on them and oppressing them.”
Fuck off with this. You are entirely masking the more morbid issue with a coat of false positivity to make it look nice; you are enabling self hatred. I will repeat it - You are enabling self hatred, specifically the hatred a trans person has for their own body. By lulling them or OP into accepting their chronic self hatred for their own skin and bones, you prolong and protect their suffering. Why? Why the fuck would you want to deliberately overlook this?
You would never say this shit to an anorexic or a bulemic. You would not validate their delusional self image of being obese where they are not, so why encourage men to see themselves as women? The fuck is wrong with you?
>“It’s not their fault they’re mentally ill, it’s other people’s fault. Society keeps imposing on them and oppressing them.”
That's not what I said- that's not what's going on here.
You care about people and have people that care about you, right?
Naturally you'd expect those people to be supportive of you through tough times, yeah?
Now let's say you're going through something really tough. Something that is only recently being given proper consideration by researchers despite the phenomena popping up throughout history for hundreds of years. The issue concerns identity-- literally the deepest an issue can go. It's not a matter of how you are, but who you are.
Assume for just one moment that these people aren't bad actors. That they aren't in on some wide trend and latching on to others' explanations. Assume that they've had some sense that something was wrong-- a misalignment of the expression of their identity and the societal expectations of such. With all that considered, wouldn't there be enough doubt in your mind to say it's not cut and dry? That maybe we should consider and look for other possible explanations?
In my post I wasn't directing blame at those being unsupportive. I didn't call for a change to their actions, I just suggested that the lack of support can and does have negative impacts on -any- person and exacerbates the issue. I don't even know where you felt it was necessary to mention society at large in the equation.
>You would never say this shit to an anorexic or a bulemic. You would not validate their delusional self image of being obese where they are not, so why encourage men to see themselves as women?
Ask someone with an eating disorder that found resolution through therapy what course they were set on. Alternatively, pick up the relevant psychology textbook and read up on it yourself.
Shaming anyone who's going through a tough time, disorder or not, has not and does not help a person work through it.
cont
Don’t bother continuing the post. Because you are overlooking something. I am not talking to OP’s femboy date, I was talking to OP. No one is shaming the femboy because the femboy isn’t here.
> Ask someone with an eating disorder that found resolution through therapy what course they were set on. Alternatively, pick up the relevant psychology textbook and read up on it yourself.
Shaming anyone who's going through a tough time, disorder or not, has not and does not help a person work through it.
Yeah see was that so hard? You admit femboy has mental issues, just as I pointed out. I’m not shaming them for having mental issues, if I did I’d be a hypocrite. I’m diagnosed with a couple of disorders myself, even have a traumatic childhood too.
But what I DONT do is lie to myself and shift the responsibility for my wellbeing and self improvement on others around me by claiming that I am oppressed and thus my mental state wrests on the responsibility of others. Fuck that noise.
OP is conflicted on dating the femboy, and instead of helping him understand why that is, you encourage him into a one sided promise of happiness without so much as alerting them to the very real and complicated issues a man looking for female love will face by pursuing that in a femboy.
>You admit femboy has mental issues
In so far as everyone does, sure. There's too much professional discussion around gender dysphoria to call it a mental illness on its own, but tangential mental issues are par for the course.
>I’m not shaming them for having mental issues
That's not what I'm alluding to here. Maybe there's a better term for it, but trying to "fix" trans people by suggesting they not be trans is what I mean by shaming. At this point, anything other than affirmative health care has shown to be ineffective.
By asserting this is an issue about self-hatred with no indication that the person in OP's post is particularly struggling with that issue at this time, you're suggesting that all trans people are in a "chronic (state of) self hatred", which just isn't the case.
>OP is conflicted on dating the femboy, and instead of helping him understand why that is, you encourage him into a one sided promise of happiness without so much as alerting them to the very real and complicated issues a man looking for female love will face by pursuing that in a femboy.
OP was conflicted about their own feelings. My initial post was indicating that their feelings of unease should not get in the way of pursuing a relationship with this person. By no means am I implicitly suggesting that there won't be complications, I'm just not going out of my way to suggest those extend past what's normal for any relationship by virtue of this person being trans. I'm placing trust in OP that they can deal with regular relationship hurdles like getting to know this person, finding out how to communicate effectively, figuring out how they can build a mutually constructive relationship. I don't feel that much needs to be explicitly stated.
How will OP's feelings evolve past this? Who knows. I don't think there's much use in listing every way in which that can go if they've not even addressed the variables in a descriptive sense.
This is put wonderfully; I'm not OP, but thank you Anon. This was nice to see.
lol this is such trash advice
>Can’t accept the most basic of things like their gender
>bases their entire persona around being a sexual deviant
>desperately wants others to notice
>only (fake) positive opinions welcome
>Blames others for not fitting in
>wants to invert penis inside body cavity
There are no functioning trans people
>Can’t accept the most basic of things like their gender
I'd argue that the trans struggle -is- coming to accept their gender.
Everything else you said requires tomes of assumptions to build the case for and completely misrepresents what trans people are actually like. Get off the internet and talk to people. Try to have a genuine conversation with those in the out-group and develop an honest account instead of using /misc/ memes as a reference for reality.
You're right, thank you for the correction. Hopefully the message was still understandable.
>I'd argue that the trans struggle -is- coming to accept their gender.
Which gender are they coming to accept? Their original one or their new one?
I'd say their only one
Also that isn’t the way you use the word duress
Gigabait
Paid deracializer tier bait
Taking more bait than a femboy in a bukkake hentai
I don't want to lead her on, I'm just kinda struggling with it all... I mean I never expected to get a super close friend, who is biologically male, and end up catching feelings... I've always considered myself straight, had no issues getting women at all... but shes such a big refresher and it feels so, easy, and natural with her, where women everything is constant work and effort.
Just know them as a friend.
>I went to a bar, hit on a girl, and she turned out to be a femboy.
Didn't happen glowie.
Those things only exist in very limited places, and get killed or beaten up in most others.
as a femboy whose currently dealing with this same situation but running 7-8~ years, i'd say to prioritize what you want out of a potential relationship and how compatible you two are as friends, and eventually, how good of a balance you two are. relationships are more about communicating and being open
how drunk were you? 3d femboys can't compare to 2d
unless you mean you found it out right away
You could give it a shot with the disclaimer you might not actually be into it if you need to pull out.
By the way you should tell him to prepare the bussy beforehand.
I feel like this has got to be bait, or a larp at least.
If not, count yourself incredibly lucky, anon. A lot of people would can only dream about being in the situation that you're in. I know that I certainly would want to be too. There's nothing wrong with spending time with them or being out with them in public. Don't be rude or put them down or anything. Even if you don't want to get into a relationship with them, keep them as a friend. They sound really nice from what you've said.
Gay panic defense
I texted her how I feel, and the feelings I've been wrestling with... he texted back "Don't be such a fag and just kiss me, see how it feels." so I guess we're gonna go from there. We text near constantly since we've met... so I guess we're gonna go on a date - date next time we hang out. Thanks for the advice... shockingly she wasn't offput by the admission I felt a bit of shame for feeling attracted to her... like she took it extremely well.
>I texted her how I feel
>He texted back
>Her
>He
Okay anon go ahead and enjoy having your common sense gaslit and warped by the delusional world of trans identity. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
HEY DUMBASS YOUR SENSE OF INTUITION IS TALKING TO YOU LISTEN TO IT !
YOUR SENSE OF INSTINCT THAT FEELING IN YOUR GUT IS THERE FOR A MAJOR REASON AND YOU BEST LISTEN TO IT OR YOU WILL HAVE MAJOR REGRETS IN LIFE
YOU KNOW IT’S GAY AND IT WILL EAT AT YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS AS YOU HAVE AN IDENTITY CRISIS
DO NOT DO IT
/adv/
How do you feel about sticking your dick into open wounds?
>he
>her
>he
>her
>her
>he
Bro fucking stop and just admit you’re gay and move from there. Are you fine with trying gay shit? If so then do it. If shit doesn’t feel right then congrats you’re not gay and you can move on from there.
Everyone in this thread is a homosexual, and there is nothing wrong with that.
BasedGod
Tell it to the suicide attempt rates and child sex abuse stats.
Don't do it Anon. You can be a peaceful homosexual like the rest of us. Never fear.. Your Homosexual Friends are here
anon he gets off on your shame
Have sex with that beautiful man. Make yourself happy. What the fuck else is the point of living?
Well that’s one way to come out of the closet
You're gonna break her heart sure. You might be falling for her now, but something will snap you out of it and by that time she will be really attached. If you're straight, or mostly straight, then you'll eventually find a cis girl that's much easier to deal with. Less emotional baggage, less stigma, less confusing thoughts for you. I personally would back off for both your sakes.
This is a fake post made for propaganda, nice try guy
>I went to a bar, hit on a girl, and she turned out to be a femboy
Stopped reading right there. Yes it makes you gay. You are gay/bisexual.
Hey bro make sure to take your dewormer, gotta clean up the gay away!
Don’t ever let any dumbass in the world tell you what you find beauty in. Don’t let even one single fucktard ever make you feel like you have to be ashamed of who you love no matter the fucking reason. Don’t let anything go to waste that you don’t have to. It’s serious business time anon be who you want to be.
Yes it is ‘serious business time’. Which is why he shouldn’t date a femboy. You and I both know there exists no elderly couple where one is a man and the other is a femboy. You won’t see some sweet old man holding their dying femboys wrinkled aged hand on their deathbed with wedding bands on their fingers. You know why? Because dating femboys has a VERY early expiry date.
This is because they are fetish baiting mentally troubled individuals who cannot give anyone children or fulfilling marriages. They’re dead ends.
NTA but so fucking what? Expiration date? Okay, so what? Why not do it til it expires then?
>This is because they are fetish baiting mentally troubled individuals who cannot give anyone children or fulfilling marriages. They’re dead ends.
SO FUCKING WHAT?
>SO FUCKING WHAT?
Because OP deserves more long lasting peace and happiness. Not a fleeting high that comes at the cost of fucking with a femboy. OP will realise its a dead end and want more from life and the femboy cannot fulfil it at all. Then OP will dump the femboy eventually and the femboy will add a few more scars to their thigh.
And yet again, so fucking what?
>OP will realise its a dead end
If we can sit here and realize right now that it's a dead end, then so can OP, and in that case, why can't OP just go into it knowing this, thus avoiding any sort of harm?
>want more from life and the femboy cannot fulfil it at all
SO WHAT?!
>Then OP will dump the femboy eventually and the femboy will add a few more scars to their thigh
Yet again, if we can sit here and realize this, then so can the femboy, right? SO FUCKING WHAT?!
SO WHAT?!
Do you follow me?
So.. fucking.. what..?
It's like you want OP to achieve one thing and one thing only, and until then, he can't have ANYTHING. Fuck that shit. How about he fucks this femboy while he looks for the relationship that isn't a deadend? Isn't that a much better option?
Anon, you think you're hitting at a point about freedom and the pursuit of happy happy, but notice something about your own process: I point out the real reasons why this won't be everlasting or consistent happiness for OP, and you answer: "So fucking what?" You out yourself as not caring if OP's progress to lifelong happiness is hindered, your answer is "So fucking what?"
So please stop pretending to have interests in mind.
>It's like you want OP to achieve one thing and one thing only, and until then, he can't have ANYTHING.
See? Your words - not mine. You assume that's what I'm doing, I'm not. On the contrary I want him to avoid doing 'one thing only'. Because settling for a femboy? That will lock him into one thing only while losing out on everything else. I can even name what those losses would be: Fatherhood, husbandry, male/female bonding, a relationship without needing to walk on eggshells around delusion or disorder, an entire life that creates progeny of more live(s), the whole deal.
>How about he fucks this femboy while he looks for the relationship that isn't a deadend? Isn't that a much better option?
No, because he'd delay himself. Also he'd be using and exploiting the femboy and causing them further damage. They already do that to themselves enough without others doing it for them.
>On the contrary I want him to avoid doing 'one thing only'
By your own logic this is a lie. You suggest OP to avoid anything that potentially threatens their ability to experience "fatherhood, husbandry, [and] male/female bonding". Recognize that you're suggesting an exclusionary (anything that does not satisfy those specific criteria) rather than an inclusionary solution.
>you shouldn't eat foods that aren't healthy, green, and easy to digest
>there goes 99% of foods
Nobody's disagreeing that you're suggesting a theoretically sound and appealing prospect. There's just not much beside your word and assumptions to suggest it's the -only- appealing prospect. The ultimate goal for most is happiness-- they could be fucked to chase a greater purpose for the species. And to presuppose that -true- happiness can only be sourced through your methods is ignorant and conceited.
Well I’m convinced. How come I never thought about these things in such a cynical and reductionist manner? In fact all of life is awful right? I’m heading out OP if you’re there gg I guess you actually can’t enjoy something beautiful, unique, and special to you this guy pointed out we age
>gg I guess you actually can’t enjoy something beautiful, unique, and special to you
>this guy pointed out we age
>we
And there you go, you showed your hand. You want OP to choose the femboy because you are also perverse and probably a femboy. You don’t give a shit about OP, you only care about yourself. This is why I called femboys narcissistic early ITT
; -; don't say that I'm not a dead end, I have a lot of love to offer! I could be a great step mom!
You’re not a dead end either. Femboys and trans people deserve happy fulfilling lives. I will agree with that other anon you are capable of love both from within and outward, I agree with that any day of the week, 10 ways to sunday.
What I cannot understand is the self hatred for the body. When I see a femboy or a trans person I can’t help but see someone who so hated what they are they declare themselves not good enough as they are, to the point they want to desecrate their own sex.
If I’m completely clueless then forgive me, I am not trans or queer so I don’t get how it feels. I am just frustrated at seeing what appears to me as self hatred.
Thank you for saying I'm not a dead end. It's hard to explain, especially to someone who doesn't have the same issues. Transitioning saved me, I feel so much better about myself. The issues that make me sad are the people who hate me soooo much, who think I'm vile and a degenerate and a freak. I mean I am a little weird, but I have so much to give if someone were to be okay with me.
Though to be honest I can't say I blame anyone for not dating someone like me. They are torn apart by other people whenever they do. Like why risk it for me when you could find a cis girl and all your friends and family would be happy about it? Being with me is just asking to ruin your social life. I'm in my 30s now, so I'm aiming to find love in my 40s and maybe 50s if I can find some lonely divorced men lol.
Thanks for sharing the insight. For whatever it’s worth, I don’t hate you. I don’t hate trans anons or femboys as individuals i dont even know them for a start since we’re all anons. What I hate or lament over is the fact there’s a dysphoria of gender that exists and causes people to choose a fate of either transition or suffer internally. Then there’s the suicide rates and shit. I don’t see degenerates I see people who are getting their shit rocked by a warped perception of themselves. And to me, it seems like everyone surrounding it just pushes the dysphoric to just fall further into it and indulge it and will reap money from selling them meds and surgeries.
I’m glad you feel better these days. I don’t take delight in your suffering, I lament it.
This is one of the more nuanced opinions I've heard on the issue in general. It's clear you've put a lot of thought into the matter and are approaching it from a humanistic sense. I do think it underestimates the dichotomy I referred to here:
>Some of them deal with constant mental stress, sure. It's hard to tell where their problems start and the problems imposed on them by others begin because they're constantly harassed and fighting for every important relationship they've ever had not to be torn apart by a matter of their identity.
Maybe you've shown that you're able to relate on a human level through sympathy despite your conclusions, but you have to recognize that that's a rare attribute among people who voice opposition. I know if you or I were in that situation the world wouldn't seem very welcoming -or- sensible.
It's hard to express to you if you haven't had long conversations with a happy trans person. Unfortunately perceptions get warped because online discourse is what we, as channers, often begin to associate with reality. So the only two lenses upon trans people we get to see are that which is reflected in the internet anti-culture characterization and that which are probablistically chronically online mentally ill loners.
The issue here is that skews the shape of the mental condition of these individuals.
Pardon any incorrect assumptions I may make about your experiences.
>her
>she
>femboy
>keeps calling him a she
Retard.
Nintendo 64? That's dangerous. Get real.
homosexual.
Love her and make her your wife
>femboy
>she
that is not how that works bro
>I went to a bar, hit on a girl, and she turned out to be a femboy. I didn't really like, go for it once I realized it, but still talked with him / her hung out, next thing I know, I drove her to a park near my house and we laid in the grass in the freezing fucking cold talking about nintendo 64 for literal hours.
>her
And into the LULZ copypasta collection you go
Do any of you fags ever take the time to realize that you are literally fucking a mans poopy asshole that he shits out of? I fell for the gay meme in high school and the second you actually realize what you're doing and the smoke and mirrors that your porn addiction has set up in your brain fades, you realize how disgusting and degenerate what you're doing truly is.
eh you like what you like, but i think the biggest problem for trannies is that they can't find people to stick around for the long haul
it's so funny how you're deluding yourself into thinking that's a woman
>I'm not gay... but I've been thinking of her sexually the last couple of times we've hung out
You’re a homosexual