Treasure A-side is one of the best things i've ever heard in my life. B-side is ok, but not nearly on the same level
Debut is the weakest Smiths record. Reel Around the Fountain is amazing though.
Not really familiar with New Order's albums, always had them down as a singles band.
I'll pick Treasure easily
yeah it was so clearly the best that the only reason it was greenlit for release by Morrissey was that they'd spent all the allocated money and had to put something out
i don't even want to hate on the album, it's got some killer tunes, but they would get so much better in the studio and the songwriting improved on Meat is Murder as well
>it was greenlit for release by Morrissey was that they'd spent all the allocated money and had to put something out
Morrissey has always hated the album's production, his objections to it had nothing to do with the quality of the songs. >it's got some killer tunes
Every song on the album is "killer." >but they would get so much better in the studio and the songwriting improved on Meat is Murder as well
It really didn't.
Reel Around the Fountain is a better written song than The Headmaster Ritual
You've Got Everything Now is a better written song than Rusholme Ruffians
Pretty Girls Make Graves is a better written song than What She Said
The Hand That Rocks the Cradle is a better written song than That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
Still Ill is a better written song than Nowhere Fast
What Difference Does It Make is a better written song than Barbarism
I Don't Owe You Anything is a better written song than Meat Is Murder
>Reel Around the Fountain is a better written song than The Headmaster Ritual
Arguable >You've Got Everything Now is a better written song than Rusholme Ruffians
Correct >Pretty Girls Make Graves is a better written song than What She Said
Not even close >The Hand That Rocks the Cradle is a better written song than That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
Now I’m worried you might be deaf >Still Ill is a better written song than Nowhere Fast
Both are very good. Can’t really argue with either >What Difference Does It Make is a better written song than Barbarism
Yes >I Don't Owe You Anything is a better written song than Meat Is Murder
Obviously
>Arguable >Not even close >Now I’m worried you might be deaf
Cope, cope, cope. Obviously an ESL or an illiterate who can't appreciate lyricism.
evaluating an album isn't purely about the quality of songs, but also how well they translate through the medium (in this case, a record). Morrissey was unhappy with that and unhappy with the album as a whole.
as for your comparisons, That Joke, Nowhere Fast and Barbarism are all better compared to the songs you put them up against. then factor in Well I Wonder and I Want The One, which also beat most songs on the s/t, and you've got yourself a winner
>evaluating an album isn't purely about the quality of songs, but also how well they translate through the medium (in this case, a record)
And the songs all flow extremely well and equal out to their most cohesive record. Again, Morrissey's objection was to the production, not the song quality. >That Joke, Nowhere Fast and Barbarism are all better compared to the songs you put them up against
They aren't. >then factor in Well I Wonder and I Want The One, which also beat most songs on the s/t, and you've got yourself a winner
They are better than the songs on the debut in their position, they are not better than This Charming Man or Suffer Little Children.
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Anonymous
you shouldn't insult the other anon who replied. he even agreed with you on most songs. >Morrissey's objection was the production
which is part of evaluating the record. that was my point. you claimed this was their best record, such a judgement would include aspects of production. >they aren't
well i disagree >This Charming Man
this is just more moving of the goalposts. This Charming Man is not on the s/t. it's not part of the album.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you shouldn't insult the other anon who replied. he even agreed with you on most songs.
I’ll do what I want. >Morrissey's objection was the production >which is part of evaluating the record. that was my point. you claimed this was their best record, such a judgement would include aspects of production.
I love the production. It adds a haunting and unique quality to the songs that are sorely missing from the BBC sessions. >they aren't >well i disagree
Then you’re wrong. >This Charming Man
this is just more moving of the goalposts. This Charming Man is not on the s/t. it's not part of the album.
It’s on my record, fag.
evaluating an album isn't purely about the quality of songs, but also how well they translate through the medium (in this case, a record). Morrissey was unhappy with that and unhappy with the album as a whole.
as for your comparisons, That Joke, Nowhere Fast and Barbarism are all better compared to the songs you put them up against. then factor in Well I Wonder and I Want The One, which also beat most songs on the s/t, and you've got yourself a winner
nowhere fast is the one with the emotion ocean rhyme yep?
If so, lmfao at ur taste
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Anonymous
and when a train goes by
it's such a sad sound
it's such a sad thing
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hey now, just because they're wrong about it being better than Still Ill (laughable) doesn't mean it isn't a great song. It mogs the vast majority of the tracks on Treasure and PCL.
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Anonymous
well, i suppose that's true! Never liked those records that much
Power, Corruption and Lies all the way. Do those other albums have 5-8-6 on them? No? Didn’t think so. Love that song. Just starts off with 2 minutes of dicking around and sounding like Joy Division then it turns into the greatest synth pop banger of all time
>Cocteau Twins
Yawn. Not really that inventive. Probably only popular because of old-school LULZ memes making fun of how the vocals sounded. But is Treasure (or any other album of theirs) any good? No. Especially now when it’s just white-girl-on-TikTok-core who pretend to have eclectic taste. Low hanging fruit for posers. >The Smiths
Is it their best record? In my honest opinion no - and I know I’m wrong. Masterpiece. Blah blah Morrissey whatever, doesn’t matter. The music is objectively good and arguing with that makes you look like a fool >New Order’s debut
RIP Ian Curtis but Joy Division sucked. The band reforming as New Order was the best thing to happen to them. PCL is a phenomenal album and easily the best in their career as well as my favorite.
No wrong answers as long as you pick The Smiths or New Order, though personally I’d go with Power Corruption and Lies
I like both a lot but Cocteau Twins barely sounds like Siouxsie and the Banshees at all past Garlands.
>Cocteau Twins
Yawn. Not really that inventive. Probably only popular because of old-school LULZ memes making fun of how the vocals sounded. But is Treasure (or any other album of theirs) any good? No. Especially now when it’s just white-girl-on-TikTok-core who pretend to have eclectic taste. Low hanging fruit for posers. >The Smiths
Is it their best record? In my honest opinion no - and I know I’m wrong. Masterpiece. Blah blah Morrissey whatever, doesn’t matter. The music is objectively good and arguing with that makes you look like a fool >New Order’s debut
RIP Ian Curtis but Joy Division sucked. The band reforming as New Order was the best thing to happen to them. PCL is a phenomenal album and easily the best in their career as well as my favorite.
No wrong answers as long as you pick The Smiths or New Order, though personally I’d go with Power Corruption and Lies
>Especially now when it’s just white-girl-on-TikTok-core who pretend to have eclectic taste. Low hanging fruit for posers.
I wouldn't know since I don't use TikTok but your brain is poisoned by memes.
>Cocteau Twins >Probably only popular because of old-school LULZ memes making fun of how the vocals sounded.
Things only newest of fags, or the plebiest of plebs would say
Treasure easy it's more my kind of music but all three are classics.
gay
The cocteau twins one. Pure sovl.
if you pick anything except treasure you're possibly retarded. I might make an exception if you pick the smiths but cock is still better.
Which version of The Smiths is it? With or without This Charming Man
Great question anon. With This Charming Man, I pick it. Without it, Power Corruption and Lies
The Smiths by The Smiths, cheers
racist
cheers
Power Corruption & Lies, obviously.
literally the only good song from that album
they're all overrated trash, listen to some actual music homosexual
https://open.spotify.com/track/7ju4ebZ6TJrPrD9fQ54wc0?si=EzJCyH1mQfmGaHqfGPyffw&utm_source=copy-link
PC&L
Fuck the smiths, Cocteau Twins for me.
The Smiths > PCL >>>>>>> Treasure
Simple as
whatever the new order album is called
Treasure A-side is one of the best things i've ever heard in my life. B-side is ok, but not nearly on the same level
Debut is the weakest Smiths record. Reel Around the Fountain is amazing though.
Not really familiar with New Order's albums, always had them down as a singles band.
I'll pick Treasure easily
>Debut is the weakest Smiths record
You're a retard. It's so clearly their best lyrically and musically.
yeah it was so clearly the best that the only reason it was greenlit for release by Morrissey was that they'd spent all the allocated money and had to put something out
i don't even want to hate on the album, it's got some killer tunes, but they would get so much better in the studio and the songwriting improved on Meat is Murder as well
>it was greenlit for release by Morrissey was that they'd spent all the allocated money and had to put something out
Morrissey has always hated the album's production, his objections to it had nothing to do with the quality of the songs.
>it's got some killer tunes
Every song on the album is "killer."
>but they would get so much better in the studio and the songwriting improved on Meat is Murder as well
It really didn't.
Reel Around the Fountain is a better written song than The Headmaster Ritual
You've Got Everything Now is a better written song than Rusholme Ruffians
Pretty Girls Make Graves is a better written song than What She Said
The Hand That Rocks the Cradle is a better written song than That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
Still Ill is a better written song than Nowhere Fast
What Difference Does It Make is a better written song than Barbarism
I Don't Owe You Anything is a better written song than Meat Is Murder
>Reel Around the Fountain is a better written song than The Headmaster Ritual
Arguable
>You've Got Everything Now is a better written song than Rusholme Ruffians
Correct
>Pretty Girls Make Graves is a better written song than What She Said
Not even close
>The Hand That Rocks the Cradle is a better written song than That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
Now I’m worried you might be deaf
>Still Ill is a better written song than Nowhere Fast
Both are very good. Can’t really argue with either
>What Difference Does It Make is a better written song than Barbarism
Yes
>I Don't Owe You Anything is a better written song than Meat Is Murder
Obviously
>Arguable
>Not even close
>Now I’m worried you might be deaf
Cope, cope, cope. Obviously an ESL or an illiterate who can't appreciate lyricism.
>evaluating an album isn't purely about the quality of songs, but also how well they translate through the medium (in this case, a record)
And the songs all flow extremely well and equal out to their most cohesive record. Again, Morrissey's objection was to the production, not the song quality.
>That Joke, Nowhere Fast and Barbarism are all better compared to the songs you put them up against
They aren't.
>then factor in Well I Wonder and I Want The One, which also beat most songs on the s/t, and you've got yourself a winner
They are better than the songs on the debut in their position, they are not better than This Charming Man or Suffer Little Children.
you shouldn't insult the other anon who replied. he even agreed with you on most songs.
>Morrissey's objection was the production
which is part of evaluating the record. that was my point. you claimed this was their best record, such a judgement would include aspects of production.
>they aren't
well i disagree
>This Charming Man
this is just more moving of the goalposts. This Charming Man is not on the s/t. it's not part of the album.
>you shouldn't insult the other anon who replied. he even agreed with you on most songs.
I’ll do what I want.
>Morrissey's objection was the production
>which is part of evaluating the record. that was my point. you claimed this was their best record, such a judgement would include aspects of production.
I love the production. It adds a haunting and unique quality to the songs that are sorely missing from the BBC sessions.
>they aren't
>well i disagree
Then you’re wrong.
>This Charming Man
this is just more moving of the goalposts. This Charming Man is not on the s/t. it's not part of the album.
It’s on my record, fag.
evaluating an album isn't purely about the quality of songs, but also how well they translate through the medium (in this case, a record). Morrissey was unhappy with that and unhappy with the album as a whole.
as for your comparisons, That Joke, Nowhere Fast and Barbarism are all better compared to the songs you put them up against. then factor in Well I Wonder and I Want The One, which also beat most songs on the s/t, and you've got yourself a winner
nowhere fast is the one with the emotion ocean rhyme yep?
If so, lmfao at ur taste
and when a train goes by
it's such a sad sound
it's such a sad thing
Hey now, just because they're wrong about it being better than Still Ill (laughable) doesn't mean it isn't a great song. It mogs the vast majority of the tracks on Treasure and PCL.
well, i suppose that's true! Never liked those records that much
New Order for sure
treasure no question
Treasure far and above though I love them all
New Order sucks, fuck off.
Cringe
t. pleb
Not true but I’m going with the smiths all the same, cheers
Treasure is the hipster pick right now since they aren't as well known but are climbing up
But still Treasure
the smiths ez
Power, Corruption and Lies all the way. Do those other albums have 5-8-6 on them? No? Didn’t think so. Love that song. Just starts off with 2 minutes of dicking around and sounding like Joy Division then it turns into the greatest synth pop banger of all time
>Cocteau Twins
Yawn. Not really that inventive. Probably only popular because of old-school LULZ memes making fun of how the vocals sounded. But is Treasure (or any other album of theirs) any good? No. Especially now when it’s just white-girl-on-TikTok-core who pretend to have eclectic taste. Low hanging fruit for posers.
>The Smiths
Is it their best record? In my honest opinion no - and I know I’m wrong. Masterpiece. Blah blah Morrissey whatever, doesn’t matter. The music is objectively good and arguing with that makes you look like a fool
>New Order’s debut
RIP Ian Curtis but Joy Division sucked. The band reforming as New Order was the best thing to happen to them. PCL is a phenomenal album and easily the best in their career as well as my favorite.
No wrong answers as long as you pick The Smiths or New Order, though personally I’d go with Power Corruption and Lies
>Cocteau Twins
>not really inventive
name one contemporary artist (of them, not 2022) that sounded like them. i'll wait.
They sounded like Siouxsie and the Banshees
on Garlands? sure. Head over Heels? already debatable. Treasure sounds nothing like Siouxsie
lol, i love how you ignored the specific question i asked and just made a random statement, very subtle
Fagggötté
I like both a lot but Cocteau Twins barely sounds like Siouxsie and the Banshees at all past Garlands.
>Especially now when it’s just white-girl-on-TikTok-core who pretend to have eclectic taste. Low hanging fruit for posers.
I wouldn't know since I don't use TikTok but your brain is poisoned by memes.
Cocteau Twins did not invent dream pop you insufferable fool
Smiths > Cocteau > New Order
>Cocteau Twins
>Probably only popular because of old-school LULZ memes making fun of how the vocals sounded.
Things only newest of fags, or the plebiest of plebs would say
sounded like a true loser nerd
>>New Order’s debut
Jesus. I can't believe I'm the first one to pick up on this. This board knows literally nothing about music.
NTA but maybe he meant it was NO's first "true" album since a lot of people consider Movement to be them still trying to be Joy Division.
>NTA
Yeah right
Take your meds
>what is inspect element
The sad cope homosexuals use when they go around crying samefag and get exposed?
>i'm not coping y-you are
sad
Concession accepted, have a good day.
>c-co-concession a-ac-accepted, h-ha-have a-a -go-good d-d-day.
Please kill yourself
the most insufferable poster on LULZ currently
PC&L has my favorite post punk song of all tine “Leave me Alone” so that one but The Smiths is a close second, all 3 albums are great though.
The Smiths > PC&L > Treasure
PC&L is very inconsistent but still good and I can't stand Cacteau Twins.
i choose the smiths but i feel pretty gay about it.
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Treasure = s/t >>> PCAL
PCAL is half great tracks and half snoozefests
Smiths easy. Love Cocteau twins but that smiths album is something else
smiffs - da smiffs
like all three though