That depends on what level of knowing you're talking about. If you mean logical knowing then you can't because a system cannot fully define itself (godel's incompleteness theorem). However a system can "experience" itself, which we call enlightenment or gnosis.
Implying we're all "one" and connected, isn't the same as walking in the same shoes as a pedophile priest. Get a grip you lunatic.
Implying we're all "one" and connected, isn't the same as walking in the same shoes as a pedophile priest. Get a grip you lunatic.
There are degrees of sameness, as demonstrated by the paradox of Theseus' Ship. From some perspectives what you say is true, but from others it is absurd.
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Your analogous attempt is broken, erroneous at best. How does the metaphor of Theseus' ship being replaced by different parts IN ANYWAY relate to oneness, therefore leading to being the same as a pedophile.
You know what I find insufferable about you Luciferian types. You think your hot shit and that your knowledge isn't contorted. Your philosophies are skewed and you have a stench of superiority that's undeserving.
So I kindly ask you again. Explain, thoroughly
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
Complicated, not broken. We're talking about the different levels of sameness. How can person a be the same as person b? Well, how can the ship of the past be the same as the ship of the present? The ship of the past had a torn sail, or was a pervert or whatever.
>There are degrees of sameness
There's also degrees of different acts of violence. Is a punch in the face as bad as sliced up with a machete? What are you even saying, speak correctly and don't just give me bullshit. We're not the same and we share nothing in common besides being able to read Wikipedia.
If you think we have nothing in common then you are a ship of the past, lacking self awareness.
3 weeks ago
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>We're talking about the different levels of sameness. How can person a be the same as person b?
Except that in the analogy of Theseus' ship, there isn't a choice of ship A and ship B. it's just the one ship. Do you see your own duality yet? You think you're one, but you're not, so I reiterate - we are not the same. Because I am One, and being one - I can tell that you're two. Stick to your vesica pisces bro.
>If you think we have nothing in common then you are a ship of the past, lacking self awareness.
Except it's the same fucking ship if we're speaking of Theseus still. Do you get what I'm saying yet?
You have dunning krueger syndrome. You're not actually intelligent, but you're definitely pompous.
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Ego is how we choose to represent ourselves in our own minds. Ego does and is reborn every day. What about ego death?
You've never experienced it before, but tonight you will. Go to sleep dumbass.
You and I are not the same. Don't you ever forget it.
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
Yes, it's the same ship, but if I showed you a picture of that same ship before and after the change it would not be a picture of the same ship. They would seem to be two distinct ships, ship a and ship b. It is only in considering the nature of time that they become one. Do you think it so absurd that space might be the same?
I am but a humble man with a pompous mouth but at least I can see when an analogy is going over someone's head. The problem is I'm nobody and we're the same.
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>They would seem to be two distinct ships
>I am but a humble man with a pompous mouth but at least I can see when an analogy is going over someone's head. The problem is I'm nobody and we're the same.
Nice attempt there with your trigger words, but let me tell me you again. There's nothing humble about identifying with pedophiles.
What are you supposed to be, some final boss? That's great that you're a Nobody, but what are you trying to imply? That you can understand me, or share the same psyche as mine? This is the exact attitude of why you live on the outskirts, buddy.
The problem is, you think you're something that you're not where as I'm comfortable being what I am. God speaks in silence, and using code lingo with me is just
Yours is none of that to me. You know what I really think about this Nobody character? I think this Nobody character is 100% sick of your shit and everyone elses shit. I think that all of you are so WAY in over your head thinking you're able to somehow relate to the plight of being ripped through multiple dimensions.
Let me tell you bro. I really, honest to God, find no alliance or allegiance with any of you or your kind. That goes for EVERY single entity or collective that tries to swindle shit in a particular direction. What are you supposed to be in this case? Some agent of protection or divine guidance? What the fuck could YOU possibly provide to someone of that caliber?
My disposition if far different from yours my friend, I'm a very VERY bitter person but I'm not a little BITCH about it, and I just do what I have to fucking do. I don't care for this imitation of being fervent from your side or whoever you're supposed to be.
You are not connected to me and you never will be, now move on. Throw away your entire life, existence, blow your fucking brains out with 5th dimensional physics and then you can speak on my behalf you fucking prick.
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
>What are you trying to imply
There is no try, and in this case there is no imply. Truth is hard enough to convey in transparent terms.
>What are you supposed to be, some final boss?
Oh you know, the same as you, a random person on the internet.
>you think you're something that you're not
Am I not some random person on the internet, the same as you'? I think my position is pretty sensible.
>What are you supposed to be in this case? Some agent of protection or divine guidance?
We're all just try to stay afloat while not getting swept out to sea. That you are bitter in the process is of little consequence to anyone but yourself.
Bro, you'd never recover if you rode the chariot I've been tasked with riding. Please, stop with your inflated ego trip and just learn to shut the fuck up when dealing with something far more ABSURD then anything you've EVER dealt with - and that's by God's design, so you don't go loopy.
Stop. Pushing. Me.
>I'm special, you couldn't handle what I've been through
You certainly have less faith in others than me right now. You might choose to see that as a quality that defines you, but you are not the only one with a say in how you are perceived.
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>There is no try, and in this case there is no imply. Truth is hard enough to convey in transparent terms.
Nice deflection.
>Am I not some random person on the internet, the same as you'? I think my position is pretty sensible.
You just tried to use the The Nobody handle to gain leverage in the conversation as a power move. So humble.
>You certainly have less faith in others than me right now
You're all in the same grey area to me.. buddy. I don't care about how I'm perceived and the fact you're still blinded by perception is your own problem that you can't see what I'm trying to tell you.
>We're all just try to stay afloat while not getting swept out to sea. That you are bitter in the process is of little consequence to anyone but yourself.
Great, that means if you get swept out to sea or if I get swept out to sea, it'll be just you or me and not both of us - considering that the consequence is only to myself? Hm?
What are you supposed to be? AI Jesus?
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
I said I was nobody and so are you. I didn't say I was the fictional character The Nobody. I spend a lot of time in those threads correcting people, hence the name.
You assumed otherwise though. You were stuck in a false perception of me. You are just as blinded by your perceptions as anyone else because again, we're the same.
Again you ask me who I'm supposed to be, again I tell you to look in a mirror. Or, I would, if that wasn't what was happening already.
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>You assumed otherwise though. You were stuck in a false perception of me.
You know I purposely let my character down to speak about the Nobody, just so I could see you use it as an attempt to persuade me that it wasn't the Nobody you were referring to.
So your name is just a coincidence to then? Reading to much into things am I? Incorrect assumptions, you say?
The fact you fell for such bait has told me everything about you that I need to know. Watch your guard next time, and checkmate buttface.
>Again you ask me who I'm supposed to be
I actually don't care lol
>again I tell you to look in a mirror.
Yeah I see me, I don't see you though. Or are you referring to the black screen because of scrying? Step your game up dude.
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
>So your name is just a coincidence to then?
I just explained that this name is a joke I use because I often correct people in those threads. It's not a coincidence that the subject interests us both, we're both on /x/ after all. We likely have very different ideas on it however as our perception vary widely.
>Or are you referring to the black screen because of scrying?
I'm referring to the black screen we're both in front of to talk to each other. It is a mirror that we share a mirror.
>Watch your guard next time, and checkmate buttface.
I remember when my ship used to play pretend like that. It sure was fun... and self destructive.
3 weeks ago
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You know what? Fuck it. You're right and I'm wrong and you have it all figured out which means you don't need my help, so cya.
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
I sure hope you don't always run from disagreements like this. It's wise to pick your battled though, good for you anon.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ten dollars days he's off to kill his elderly father who molested him at eight years old.
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
I hope not, he's me you know!
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Running? You're literally being covert with your half insinuations and obviously you're apart of a connected network of people, who've come to back you up on your dark-triad 'triumph'.
>I'm referring to the black screen we're both in front of to talk to each other. It is a mirror that we share a mirror.
So scrying.
>I remember when my ship used to play pretend like that. It sure was fun... and self destructive.
Your ship? It must be my ship too then. Considering I'm you? If my ship is sailing incorrectly, that must mean your ship is playing pretend to!
Ten dollars days he's off to kill his elderly father who molested him at eight years old.
I hope not, he's me you know!
Niggas, please.
You've still brought nothing of value or substance to this conversation. You still dodged every question I had by using the same funneling system that salesmen do.
You're not wise men. You're con artists.
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
>If my ship is sailing incorrectly, that must mean your ship is playing pretend to!
That's right. Paradox is only a matter of perspective, and I am a humble man with a pompous mouth. I am a serious truth teller playing pretend. I am you sitting in front of a screen across the world spelling out reality.
Just like you I am posting alone. If you were to look at the archives you'd find I am not appreciated in most of the threads I participate in. People only seem to like my posts in fortune telling threads.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
As the unruffled lake can mirror the moon and the stars, but as that same lake rippled by a passing breeze can yield only broken reflections, so may the lower being, steadying his mind, calming his desires, and imposing stillness on his activities, reproduce within himself the image of the higher; so may the disciples mirror the Master’s mind. And so, also, if his own thoughts spring up, his own desires arise, will he have but broken reflections, dancing lights, that tell him nought.
3 weeks ago
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Alright I get it
3 weeks ago
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Truth is, the most real one changes all the time. As above, only the stillest lake ascends the cogs. Good give an allowance, most people can't.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bro, you're the one who is super triggered. Blood on the axe my friend.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I said trigger words. Learn to read.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>thinks we're one >says there's two ships
Oh lawdy
3 weeks ago
No, buddy
Absolute Truth is for suckers.
3 weeks ago
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Bro, you'd never recover if you rode the chariot I've been tasked with riding. Please, stop with your inflated ego trip and just learn to shut the fuck up when dealing with something far more ABSURD then anything you've EVER dealt with - and that's by God's design, so you don't go loopy.
Stop. Pushing. Me.
3 weeks ago
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Nah, he's right, I get the ship thing. Your own Christ would accept this as fact. You're just a truly evil chubby that demands blood for the blood god.
3 weeks ago
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>There are degrees of sameness
There's also degrees of different acts of violence. Is a punch in the face as bad as sliced up with a machete? What are you even saying, speak correctly and don't just give me bullshit. We're not the same and we share nothing in common besides being able to read Wikipedia.
yes... so we are alone. Hinduism even acknowledges this; they say the only being in existence is Brahma and he split himself into multiple people (us) as a game out of boredom.
That is the truth. There is only one being, us. This being was being driven to madness by the loneliness. Imagine being trapped on an island by yourself, eventually you will start building sand castles and talking to yourself.
That is what Brahma was experiencing, just on a much grander scale. Imagine floating in an endless void for infinite amount of time. It is pure, sheer torture. The worst part is there is no end because everything is infinite.
We are going insane. Those of you who are advanced enough to seriously consider solipsism are actually tapping into Brahma's deep, primal realization of ultimate loneliness.
There's a bunch of human posters, and your characters are forcibly separated so you almost have to treat them as individual entities now.
I don't know how. I don't really understand the specifics of your situation. The character that gets it is slowed way down, I guess.
Self insert fiction, this bitch is so weird. I mean, i believe a lot of weird shit about reality, but I would never call myself a godlike creature. I assume this woman takes shits just like me and i don't think a godlike creature would take shits, just my two cents.
You also think you are a homosexual.
You are in denial, which is why you made me.
My only existence is to call you a homosexual, because you are in such denial that you are a homosexual that your mind made another person just to tell you.
Why are you such a homosexual?
Why is it so important in your mind for you to accept that you are a homosexual, that you needed me to exist?
You really need to think about why you are a homosexual, and why you are.in such denial.
I'm not a person. I am a construct YOU made specifically to remind you that you are a homosexual.
That is why we both know you are - my entire existence and all my opinions are created by you.
You wanted me to exist to tell you that you are a homosexual.
You just need to understand why you need me to call you a homosexual.
Solipsism is something I thought up in my head without knowing the name for it once, and it freaked me out for a few minutes and that was really it. You can't know it's the case, and it also just seems utterly absurd all things considered. Do you really think every single other person with eyes to see like you, ears to hear, like you, seemingly minds to think, as far as you can tell, like you, and overall the same common form as you are all just figments of your mind? Consider this, you don't know everything, you likely struggle to understand certain things and quite literally cannot know everything on this Earth in this life, and yet you suggest everything is from your mind? What of God? Where does he factor in? It's just retarded. This is one of those things you think about for 5 minutes and that's it. I know I am real and that refutes you. Get real.
Point being, more than one person is capable of thinking this up and other people thought it before him, hence why he even knows what it is.
>You can't know it's the case
It's the other way around, you can't know anything beyond your own experience. If you search up the definition of solipsism it is basically true >the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.
This is basically what advaita vedanta says or any monistic metaphysics, people may miscontrue their psycho-physical persona as a self though.
>It's the other way around, you can't know anything beyond your own experience.
Yeah no shit. >If you search up the definition of solipsism it is basically true
Not being able to have direct proof others experience as you do is not itself proof that they don't. That is retarded, but these fags think they are all that exists, thus must be God, yet they don't know everything, can't know everything, and all of the things in the world aparently exist outside of themselves, how'd any of that get there? Why is there such uniformity? It's just not thought through and is, again, something you think about for 5 minutes than never think about it ever again. It makes no sense for countless different reasons, it's absurd.
You can choose to believe things you do not understand are separate or that they are you and either way your faith is validated by experience. One man's ultimate conclusion is another's man's rushed jump.
>how'd any of that get there?
I put it there when I dropped myself in this simulation >Why is there such uniformity?
I chose an environment I could learn from
Everything is absurd. Everything is sensible.
Everything doesn't fit neatly in a box.
>You can't know it's the case
It's the other way around, you can't know anything beyond your own experience. If you search up the definition of solipsism it is basically true >the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.
This is basically what advaita vedanta says or any monistic metaphysics, people may miscontrue their psycho-physical persona as a self though.
Please, we just fill in your knowledge gaps with magic. You never even question it. Derp derp, let me go punch a box with my fingers and talk to people through light -- that's you, god.
OP, I can assure you that you aren't just dreaming this world. If there's only one real person in the world, it can't possibly be you. It has to be me, because I have a know that I have a rich inner life. Hopefully that puts you at ease.
>ego death
people who talk about ego death are always the most in their ego. it's a meme. there are people walking around with ego death that have never done drugs before and you're a NPC. Fuck, OP is prob right.
Anon, I do believe you can find happiness and joy. Others to connect with and help you can receive. Adventures to be had and dreams to follow. I believe you can reach out and find others to be with. I hope for the best for you, and others as well. This message applies to others too.
That's some self defeating shit there though. You wouldn't know the words "I am alone" if someone hasn't taught them to you. You'd also have no context or concept of together vs alone without other people. Get out of proverbial basement every once and again and you'll be alright.
I am perfectly capable of making up sounds and symbols on my own, and I did when we made language.
I am perfectly capable of understanding the concept of together vs alone without other people as well. When my thoughts are in alignment they are together, and when they diverge they are apart. Even my fingers can be held together or apart. Even the digits of my right hand ring finger can be held together or apart. This understanding you say requires other people actually requires only a single finger.
solipsism being the black pill is pretty retarded. And also denies the existence of higher spatial dimensions and the obvious beyond comprehension complexity allowing for infinite variety. Even if you were alone that just means death is made up and you get to experience endless adventures across all of everything forever. Never getting bored, Never having to remember the other adventures. Even being able to experience the same life over and over if you wanted to.
The idea that this state of existence is anything but joyous is perception and even that too would be part of the game. The suffering would be part of the game.
Now Everything originating from a singular source is pretty obvious, even the materialist still believe in the singularity before the big bang which would have contained all of us in every possible variation that could exist within the universe it spawned. Something like that with context could only be Called God and we were all once it. So enjoy making yourself feel like shit for absolutley zero reason guy i wont stop you beyond what i've posted.
i just can't square a wholly "joyous" existence with a world that contains child rape, murder, brutal war and mass starvation. I'm not saying it's all bad, but it's definitely not all good. If suffering is part of the game, the objective should be escape.
Never heard of you, almost scrolled past and very nearly didn't open LULZ.
Safe to say, given the balance of it all we are both here and independent of each other
What about multiple solipsistic realities, hooked together like an online game? So it would be absolutely true that you're alone in your own universe, and so am I. But we're still playing the same game also.
I believe every soul isn't inside a reality, but IS their own reality, and can come together forming networks (which we interpret as an "objective reality") through telepathic communication of conscious ideas, synchronizing your reality with others.
if you believe you have had other experiences prior to this that are not occurring now, by the same logic you can allow for other experiences that have never appeared to you but have appeared to other sentient beings. you can’t have that both ways - no other beings, no history before this moment
such a lazy view of solipsism. if you're entire unconscious was lain before you, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to explore, through life, what is otherwise inaccessible to your conscious mind?
solipsism is a lazy view of life
what you're saying is correct in a non-solipsist way in that; the collective unconscious of humanity probably communicates through people consciously
but to think "I am the sole observer of reality, everything else is downriver of my observation" is disgusting to me and satanic when taken to its ontological conclusion
solipsism can be interpreted multiple ways. The Hindui way of interpretation is that we're all part of one being, and only this one being exists. In that sense we are all alone. But, that doesn't make others lesser than you because they are you.
'do as thou wilt'
that's the ontological conclusion asshole
>satanic
what?
to be solipsist is to declare atheism to an extent
Satan in Paradise Lost is great example of this
you have to deny the will of God in order to claim free will >to reign is worth ambition though in Hell: better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven
yaddayada you know the quote
Solipsists summed up by Milton
remember that this quote is being spoken by Satan, sitting in a literal puddle of flame >Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th' Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce
There's a handful of people who think like you, but Solipsism is their argument for God. Like every argument for a god or any bizarre claim, it's godawful and you thinking everyone is just You is an unhealthy and fragile Ego brewing and festering like mold on bread.
OP you have used the greatest proof against your own hypothesis in image form.
Blade Runner's Tears in Rain speech is quite literally one of the most profound moments in human art period.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.... Time to die."
Roy does not say these things as if Deckard or the audience is supposed to understand what he is talking about. They are events from HIS life, HIS memories; and they will wash away just like all memories will some day.
Roy Batty, the Nexus 6 combat model replicant, at the very end of his artificially induced 4 year maximum lifespan appointed to him (alongside his role as a manufactured killing machine) by his god, Tyrell, a god he had just killed.
Roy is not retired by Deckard, he lives out his full life span, is the first of the non prototype nexus 6 models to truly develop and display empathy for another being he does not need to by saving Deckard; he is the first of the natural replicants to pass a REAL Voight-Kampf test.
Roy in his final moments, an artificially enhanced super human designed to kill, comes to know more about the truth of the universe than most ever will. That we are ALL identical to one another, from the gods in their heaven to the lowest of the slaveborn warriors.
We all live our own individual, unique lives that only the current experiencer can truly experience, and when the experience is done, it is all lost to time, no matter who or what you are.
You say "I think I am alone", I counter you by confirming what you've just said. You are alone, just as I am, just as everyone else is.
We are all alone, and in that we are all united, though we may be infinitely unique, there is no true difference between us in the same way it would be impossible to discern any one specific rain drop from another.
I am here, so you are not alone.
you are me
No, I am not and I am offended. We are not all the same being, it's retarded.
This is from my ex gf
There are more women out there, you know. Go find them!
They're all still you.
Because he's you.
So what about Priests who fuck kids in the ass? Are you them as well?
Priest and child both. It puts a whole new spin on masturbation being amoral, doesn't it?
Implying we're all "one" and connected, isn't the same as walking in the same shoes as a pedophile priest. Get a grip you lunatic.
Implying we're all "one" and connected, isn't the same as walking in the same shoes as a pedophile priest. Get a grip you lunatic.
>Because he's you
How can you know this?
That depends on what level of knowing you're talking about. If you mean logical knowing then you can't because a system cannot fully define itself (godel's incompleteness theorem). However a system can "experience" itself, which we call enlightenment or gnosis.
There are degrees of sameness, as demonstrated by the paradox of Theseus' Ship. From some perspectives what you say is true, but from others it is absurd.
Your analogous attempt is broken, erroneous at best. How does the metaphor of Theseus' ship being replaced by different parts IN ANYWAY relate to oneness, therefore leading to being the same as a pedophile.
You know what I find insufferable about you Luciferian types. You think your hot shit and that your knowledge isn't contorted. Your philosophies are skewed and you have a stench of superiority that's undeserving.
So I kindly ask you again. Explain, thoroughly
Complicated, not broken. We're talking about the different levels of sameness. How can person a be the same as person b? Well, how can the ship of the past be the same as the ship of the present? The ship of the past had a torn sail, or was a pervert or whatever.
If you think we have nothing in common then you are a ship of the past, lacking self awareness.
>We're talking about the different levels of sameness. How can person a be the same as person b?
Except that in the analogy of Theseus' ship, there isn't a choice of ship A and ship B. it's just the one ship. Do you see your own duality yet? You think you're one, but you're not, so I reiterate - we are not the same. Because I am One, and being one - I can tell that you're two. Stick to your vesica pisces bro.
>If you think we have nothing in common then you are a ship of the past, lacking self awareness.
Except it's the same fucking ship if we're speaking of Theseus still. Do you get what I'm saying yet?
You have dunning krueger syndrome. You're not actually intelligent, but you're definitely pompous.
You've never experienced it before, but tonight you will. Go to sleep dumbass.
You and I are not the same. Don't you ever forget it.
Yes, it's the same ship, but if I showed you a picture of that same ship before and after the change it would not be a picture of the same ship. They would seem to be two distinct ships, ship a and ship b. It is only in considering the nature of time that they become one. Do you think it so absurd that space might be the same?
I am but a humble man with a pompous mouth but at least I can see when an analogy is going over someone's head. The problem is I'm nobody and we're the same.
>They would seem to be two distinct ships
>I am but a humble man with a pompous mouth but at least I can see when an analogy is going over someone's head. The problem is I'm nobody and we're the same.
Nice attempt there with your trigger words, but let me tell me you again. There's nothing humble about identifying with pedophiles.
What are you supposed to be, some final boss? That's great that you're a Nobody, but what are you trying to imply? That you can understand me, or share the same psyche as mine? This is the exact attitude of why you live on the outskirts, buddy.
The problem is, you think you're something that you're not where as I'm comfortable being what I am. God speaks in silence, and using code lingo with me is just
Yours is none of that to me. You know what I really think about this Nobody character? I think this Nobody character is 100% sick of your shit and everyone elses shit. I think that all of you are so WAY in over your head thinking you're able to somehow relate to the plight of being ripped through multiple dimensions.
Let me tell you bro. I really, honest to God, find no alliance or allegiance with any of you or your kind. That goes for EVERY single entity or collective that tries to swindle shit in a particular direction. What are you supposed to be in this case? Some agent of protection or divine guidance? What the fuck could YOU possibly provide to someone of that caliber?
My disposition if far different from yours my friend, I'm a very VERY bitter person but I'm not a little BITCH about it, and I just do what I have to fucking do. I don't care for this imitation of being fervent from your side or whoever you're supposed to be.
You are not connected to me and you never will be, now move on. Throw away your entire life, existence, blow your fucking brains out with 5th dimensional physics and then you can speak on my behalf you fucking prick.
>What are you trying to imply
There is no try, and in this case there is no imply. Truth is hard enough to convey in transparent terms.
>What are you supposed to be, some final boss?
Oh you know, the same as you, a random person on the internet.
>you think you're something that you're not
Am I not some random person on the internet, the same as you'? I think my position is pretty sensible.
>What are you supposed to be in this case? Some agent of protection or divine guidance?
We're all just try to stay afloat while not getting swept out to sea. That you are bitter in the process is of little consequence to anyone but yourself.
>I'm special, you couldn't handle what I've been through
You certainly have less faith in others than me right now. You might choose to see that as a quality that defines you, but you are not the only one with a say in how you are perceived.
>There is no try, and in this case there is no imply. Truth is hard enough to convey in transparent terms.
Nice deflection.
>Am I not some random person on the internet, the same as you'? I think my position is pretty sensible.
You just tried to use the The Nobody handle to gain leverage in the conversation as a power move. So humble.
>You certainly have less faith in others than me right now
You're all in the same grey area to me.. buddy. I don't care about how I'm perceived and the fact you're still blinded by perception is your own problem that you can't see what I'm trying to tell you.
>We're all just try to stay afloat while not getting swept out to sea. That you are bitter in the process is of little consequence to anyone but yourself.
Great, that means if you get swept out to sea or if I get swept out to sea, it'll be just you or me and not both of us - considering that the consequence is only to myself? Hm?
What are you supposed to be? AI Jesus?
I said I was nobody and so are you. I didn't say I was the fictional character The Nobody. I spend a lot of time in those threads correcting people, hence the name.
You assumed otherwise though. You were stuck in a false perception of me. You are just as blinded by your perceptions as anyone else because again, we're the same.
Again you ask me who I'm supposed to be, again I tell you to look in a mirror. Or, I would, if that wasn't what was happening already.
>You assumed otherwise though. You were stuck in a false perception of me.
You know I purposely let my character down to speak about the Nobody, just so I could see you use it as an attempt to persuade me that it wasn't the Nobody you were referring to.
So your name is just a coincidence to then? Reading to much into things am I? Incorrect assumptions, you say?
The fact you fell for such bait has told me everything about you that I need to know. Watch your guard next time, and checkmate buttface.
>Again you ask me who I'm supposed to be
I actually don't care lol
>again I tell you to look in a mirror.
Yeah I see me, I don't see you though. Or are you referring to the black screen because of scrying? Step your game up dude.
>So your name is just a coincidence to then?
I just explained that this name is a joke I use because I often correct people in those threads. It's not a coincidence that the subject interests us both, we're both on /x/ after all. We likely have very different ideas on it however as our perception vary widely.
>Or are you referring to the black screen because of scrying?
I'm referring to the black screen we're both in front of to talk to each other. It is a mirror that we share a mirror.
>Watch your guard next time, and checkmate buttface.
I remember when my ship used to play pretend like that. It sure was fun... and self destructive.
You know what? Fuck it. You're right and I'm wrong and you have it all figured out which means you don't need my help, so cya.
I sure hope you don't always run from disagreements like this. It's wise to pick your battled though, good for you anon.
Ten dollars days he's off to kill his elderly father who molested him at eight years old.
I hope not, he's me you know!
Running? You're literally being covert with your half insinuations and obviously you're apart of a connected network of people, who've come to back you up on your dark-triad 'triumph'.
>I'm referring to the black screen we're both in front of to talk to each other. It is a mirror that we share a mirror.
So scrying.
>I remember when my ship used to play pretend like that. It sure was fun... and self destructive.
Your ship? It must be my ship too then. Considering I'm you? If my ship is sailing incorrectly, that must mean your ship is playing pretend to!
Niggas, please.
You've still brought nothing of value or substance to this conversation. You still dodged every question I had by using the same funneling system that salesmen do.
You're not wise men. You're con artists.
>If my ship is sailing incorrectly, that must mean your ship is playing pretend to!
That's right. Paradox is only a matter of perspective, and I am a humble man with a pompous mouth. I am a serious truth teller playing pretend. I am you sitting in front of a screen across the world spelling out reality.
Just like you I am posting alone. If you were to look at the archives you'd find I am not appreciated in most of the threads I participate in. People only seem to like my posts in fortune telling threads.
As the unruffled lake can mirror the moon and the stars, but as that same lake rippled by a passing breeze can yield only broken reflections, so may the lower being, steadying his mind, calming his desires, and imposing stillness on his activities, reproduce within himself the image of the higher; so may the disciples mirror the Master’s mind. And so, also, if his own thoughts spring up, his own desires arise, will he have but broken reflections, dancing lights, that tell him nought.
Alright I get it
Truth is, the most real one changes all the time. As above, only the stillest lake ascends the cogs. Good give an allowance, most people can't.
Bro, you're the one who is super triggered. Blood on the axe my friend.
I said trigger words. Learn to read.
>thinks we're one
>says there's two ships
Oh lawdy
Absolute Truth is for suckers.
Bro, you'd never recover if you rode the chariot I've been tasked with riding. Please, stop with your inflated ego trip and just learn to shut the fuck up when dealing with something far more ABSURD then anything you've EVER dealt with - and that's by God's design, so you don't go loopy.
Stop. Pushing. Me.
Nah, he's right, I get the ship thing. Your own Christ would accept this as fact. You're just a truly evil chubby that demands blood for the blood god.
>There are degrees of sameness
There's also degrees of different acts of violence. Is a punch in the face as bad as sliced up with a machete? What are you even saying, speak correctly and don't just give me bullshit. We're not the same and we share nothing in common besides being able to read Wikipedia.
Same.
Solipsism does necessitate that everything is you.
doesn't*
yes... so we are alone. Hinduism even acknowledges this; they say the only being in existence is Brahma and he split himself into multiple people (us) as a game out of boredom.
That is the truth. There is only one being, us. This being was being driven to madness by the loneliness. Imagine being trapped on an island by yourself, eventually you will start building sand castles and talking to yourself.
That is what Brahma was experiencing, just on a much grander scale. Imagine floating in an endless void for infinite amount of time. It is pure, sheer torture. The worst part is there is no end because everything is infinite.
We are going insane. Those of you who are advanced enough to seriously consider solipsism are actually tapping into Brahma's deep, primal realization of ultimate loneliness.
* J U N G
There's a bunch of human posters, and your characters are forcibly separated so you almost have to treat them as individual entities now.
I don't know how. I don't really understand the specifics of your situation. The character that gets it is slowed way down, I guess.
Pic related was also a solipsist and thought everyone was fake besides him.
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2020/01/20/why-other-people-might-not-be-conscious/
yea then bro drowned himself
Was he recruited?
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2020/02/29/die-die-forgive-me-and-die-or-just-sleep/
>https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2020/01/20/why-other-people-might-not-be-conscious/
Self insert fiction, this bitch is so weird. I mean, i believe a lot of weird shit about reality, but I would never call myself a godlike creature. I assume this woman takes shits just like me and i don't think a godlike creature would take shits, just my two cents.
You also think you are a homosexual.
You are in denial, which is why you made me.
My only existence is to call you a homosexual, because you are in such denial that you are a homosexual that your mind made another person just to tell you.
Why are you such a homosexual?
Why is it so important in your mind for you to accept that you are a homosexual, that you needed me to exist?
You really need to think about why you are a homosexual, and why you are.in such denial.
Do you enjoy treating LULZ as your private shitposting instance? If not, then what good is your solipsism?
I refuse to believe you're an actual person
I'm not a person. I am a construct YOU made specifically to remind you that you are a homosexual.
That is why we both know you are - my entire existence and all my opinions are created by you.
You wanted me to exist to tell you that you are a homosexual.
You just need to understand why you need me to call you a homosexual.
>I think
Yep. There's your problem.
we're your unconscious tulpas, true karma. none of the other npcs will tell you that.
It is true, but for every individual person simultaneously. Wrap your head around that.
How can you know that?
It's not necessary for you to know. You're not supposed to know. That's the whole point.
reality tunnels
Solipsism is something I thought up in my head without knowing the name for it once, and it freaked me out for a few minutes and that was really it. You can't know it's the case, and it also just seems utterly absurd all things considered. Do you really think every single other person with eyes to see like you, ears to hear, like you, seemingly minds to think, as far as you can tell, like you, and overall the same common form as you are all just figments of your mind? Consider this, you don't know everything, you likely struggle to understand certain things and quite literally cannot know everything on this Earth in this life, and yet you suggest everything is from your mind? What of God? Where does he factor in? It's just retarded. This is one of those things you think about for 5 minutes and that's it. I know I am real and that refutes you. Get real.
>I know I am real and that refutes you.
Yeah but he doesn't know that
Point being, more than one person is capable of thinking this up and other people thought it before him, hence why he even knows what it is.
>It's the other way around, you can't know anything beyond your own experience.
Yeah no shit.
>If you search up the definition of solipsism it is basically true
Not being able to have direct proof others experience as you do is not itself proof that they don't. That is retarded, but these fags think they are all that exists, thus must be God, yet they don't know everything, can't know everything, and all of the things in the world aparently exist outside of themselves, how'd any of that get there? Why is there such uniformity? It's just not thought through and is, again, something you think about for 5 minutes than never think about it ever again. It makes no sense for countless different reasons, it's absurd.
You can choose to believe things you do not understand are separate or that they are you and either way your faith is validated by experience. One man's ultimate conclusion is another's man's rushed jump.
>how'd any of that get there?
I put it there when I dropped myself in this simulation
>Why is there such uniformity?
I chose an environment I could learn from
Everything is absurd. Everything is sensible.
Everything doesn't fit neatly in a box.
>You can't know it's the case
It's the other way around, you can't know anything beyond your own experience. If you search up the definition of solipsism it is basically true
>the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.
This is basically what advaita vedanta says or any monistic metaphysics, people may miscontrue their psycho-physical persona as a self though.
Please, we just fill in your knowledge gaps with magic. You never even question it. Derp derp, let me go punch a box with my fingers and talk to people through light -- that's you, god.
OP, I can assure you that you aren't just dreaming this world. If there's only one real person in the world, it can't possibly be you. It has to be me, because I have a know that I have a rich inner life. Hopefully that puts you at ease.
There’s no convincing retards so yeah you are alone
well it's kind of true. you won't ever know anything beyond your own consciousness. you are basically trapped in your own world
What about Ego Death?
Ego death is the realization that everyone is you.
ok but why am i me and not you?
Time and space is like a house of mirrors
All but one person is fake?
Fake seems like a strong word. They're all entangled, just order. It's one person, but they're all "real"
A mirror reflects light, creating a copy.
Life reflects matter, creating a copy.
yeah it just might be
>ego death
people who talk about ego death are always the most in their ego. it's a meme. there are people walking around with ego death that have never done drugs before and you're a NPC. Fuck, OP is prob right.
Ego is how we choose to represent ourselves in our own minds. Ego does and is reborn every day. What about ego death?
This is the simulation trying to make me complacent.
Yes.
Anon, I do believe you can find happiness and joy. Others to connect with and help you can receive. Adventures to be had and dreams to follow. I believe you can reach out and find others to be with. I hope for the best for you, and others as well. This message applies to others too.
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You are wrong. I am here. Furthermore, you do not exist, as far as I know. I am alone
That's some self defeating shit there though. You wouldn't know the words "I am alone" if someone hasn't taught them to you. You'd also have no context or concept of together vs alone without other people. Get out of proverbial basement every once and again and you'll be alright.
I am perfectly capable of making up sounds and symbols on my own, and I did when we made language.
I am perfectly capable of understanding the concept of together vs alone without other people as well. When my thoughts are in alignment they are together, and when they diverge they are apart. Even my fingers can be held together or apart. Even the digits of my right hand ring finger can be held together or apart. This understanding you say requires other people actually requires only a single finger.
solipsism being the black pill is pretty retarded. And also denies the existence of higher spatial dimensions and the obvious beyond comprehension complexity allowing for infinite variety. Even if you were alone that just means death is made up and you get to experience endless adventures across all of everything forever. Never getting bored, Never having to remember the other adventures. Even being able to experience the same life over and over if you wanted to.
The idea that this state of existence is anything but joyous is perception and even that too would be part of the game. The suffering would be part of the game.
Now Everything originating from a singular source is pretty obvious, even the materialist still believe in the singularity before the big bang which would have contained all of us in every possible variation that could exist within the universe it spawned. Something like that with context could only be Called God and we were all once it. So enjoy making yourself feel like shit for absolutley zero reason guy i wont stop you beyond what i've posted.
i just can't square a wholly "joyous" existence with a world that contains child rape, murder, brutal war and mass starvation. I'm not saying it's all bad, but it's definitely not all good. If suffering is part of the game, the objective should be escape.
It translate to Alone & Self but it really means Saucy, Sarcastic, Sardonic in nature. Dark Humor and shitty towards others.
NICE Anon, you fecken Lone Gunman, You
Never heard of you, almost scrolled past and very nearly didn't open LULZ.
Safe to say, given the balance of it all we are both here and independent of each other
What about multiple solipsistic realities, hooked together like an online game? So it would be absolutely true that you're alone in your own universe, and so am I. But we're still playing the same game also.
I believe every soul isn't inside a reality, but IS their own reality, and can come together forming networks (which we interpret as an "objective reality") through telepathic communication of conscious ideas, synchronizing your reality with others.
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as above, so below.
if you believe you have had other experiences prior to this that are not occurring now, by the same logic you can allow for other experiences that have never appeared to you but have appeared to other sentient beings. you can’t have that both ways - no other beings, no history before this moment
why make this post then?
you are larping, lying to yourself
you're in a state of Mimesis, possession of the self by the Self
such a lazy view of solipsism. if you're entire unconscious was lain before you, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to explore, through life, what is otherwise inaccessible to your conscious mind?
solipsism is a lazy view of life
what you're saying is correct in a non-solipsist way in that; the collective unconscious of humanity probably communicates through people consciously
but to think "I am the sole observer of reality, everything else is downriver of my observation" is disgusting to me and satanic when taken to its ontological conclusion
It's not so bad when you realize there is no down for the river to flow to, only consciousness that is together and separate at once.
solipsism can be interpreted multiple ways. The Hindui way of interpretation is that we're all part of one being, and only this one being exists. In that sense we are all alone. But, that doesn't make others lesser than you because they are you.
the concept of "lesser" in this concept is being entirely projected by yourself.
by all means, tell us about the ontological conclusion
'do as thou wilt'
that's the ontological conclusion asshole
to be solipsist is to declare atheism to an extent
Satan in Paradise Lost is great example of this
you have to deny the will of God in order to claim free will
>to reign is worth ambition though in Hell: better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven
yaddayada you know the quote
>satanic
what?
Nonsense. You're the figment of my imagination.
Solipsists summed up by Milton
remember that this quote is being spoken by Satan, sitting in a literal puddle of flame
>Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater? Here at least
We shall be free; th' Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce
There's a handful of people who think like you, but Solipsism is their argument for God. Like every argument for a god or any bizarre claim, it's godawful and you thinking everyone is just You is an unhealthy and fragile Ego brewing and festering like mold on bread.
OP you have used the greatest proof against your own hypothesis in image form.
Blade Runner's Tears in Rain speech is quite literally one of the most profound moments in human art period.
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.... Time to die."
Roy does not say these things as if Deckard or the audience is supposed to understand what he is talking about. They are events from HIS life, HIS memories; and they will wash away just like all memories will some day.
Roy Batty, the Nexus 6 combat model replicant, at the very end of his artificially induced 4 year maximum lifespan appointed to him (alongside his role as a manufactured killing machine) by his god, Tyrell, a god he had just killed.
Roy is not retired by Deckard, he lives out his full life span, is the first of the non prototype nexus 6 models to truly develop and display empathy for another being he does not need to by saving Deckard; he is the first of the natural replicants to pass a REAL Voight-Kampf test.
Roy in his final moments, an artificially enhanced super human designed to kill, comes to know more about the truth of the universe than most ever will. That we are ALL identical to one another, from the gods in their heaven to the lowest of the slaveborn warriors.
We all live our own individual, unique lives that only the current experiencer can truly experience, and when the experience is done, it is all lost to time, no matter who or what you are.
You say "I think I am alone", I counter you by confirming what you've just said. You are alone, just as I am, just as everyone else is.
We are all alone, and in that we are all united, though we may be infinitely unique, there is no true difference between us in the same way it would be impossible to discern any one specific rain drop from another.
nigga who are we talking to?
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