I take it you aren't able to respond to the actual point. Have a nice day and thank you for your concession.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm going to pretend like I won this argument even though I really didn't and I am merely projecting my loss onto you while escaping into the background of LULZ
Very cowardly and dishonorable of you my Abrahamic friend
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I answered your question and you went off about free will for some reason. There was no argument to be won. I like "escaping into the background of LULZ" though. You're putting all your soul and might into these interactions. Put the mind in as well.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You mention "My actions" as if this relates to me having free will?? What did you mean by this, asshole? Why are you trying to deflect the natural progression of this conversation?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You perform actions regardless of whether your will is free or bound.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why do "my" actions matter if I know they're bound by cause and effect?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because you asked about a type of effect. Worship.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok so why does this actually matter and why are you trying to put this into the conversation?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You asked.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is going nowhere.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Agreed. I've never seen anyone struggle this much with hearing an answer to his question. May your soul find peace.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No it's just because you have no real answer for anything like most Abrahamics. They fail to say anything meaningful and just repeat retarded doctrine
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you have no real answer for anything
Besides the question you asked. If you want to shift goalposts to "why does my question even matter", I am indeed not interested in seeking that answer.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're the one who keeps shifting goalposts and making roundabouts with your fucking stupid bullshit. You're not even telling me why it even matters, because it doesn't in actuality.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, it's pretty straightforward. Why do you need to worship? Because you need to act. And actions will inevitably lead to primitive form of worship.
If you don't think actions or communion with something higher matters, I'm completely comfortable leaving you at that.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If you don't think actions or communion with something higher matters, I'm completely comfortable leaving you at that.
Because it doesn't, nothing ever happens when this happens, and if something does happen after this it has nothing to do with it but other phenomenon in the background.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>actions don't matter
If you say so...
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They don't matter because whatever I do I'm going to do it anyway from other causes as I am the effect or the product. Since I have learned about religion, this has caused me to not pray or do anything with that idiocy.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
That is honestly one of the silliest and most loaded non-sequiturs I've heard on the topic, but I have faith that as you age, you will escape whatever issues have forced you into this dark corner. Perhaps reading determinists like Harris is a good start.
If I pray or hope that $1,000,000 lands on my doorstep every single day, is it ever going to happen? No and if it does happen, it certainly won't have anything to do with imaginary characters I talk to.
Then don't talk to imaginary characters. Pray to God.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
God IS an imaginary character which is used as a cope by RETARDS LIKE YOU.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wow, you really think so? This almost made me an atheist ... but since actions don't matter, neither did this post.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Let's say actions matter and we have free will, if I pray, which I foolishly have wasted my time with, does that have an effect? No it doesn't. It, in fact, doesn't do anything for me. It has never done anything for me and to expect something out of it is just cope and silliness on your part. Whatever happens to you was not because "God made it to be so" but because phenomenon outside of you not and not very related to this thing which may or may not exist, has done this to you. Like maybe accidentally placed the $1,000,000 there but it wasn't because God had anything to do with it
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Prayer has done plenty for me. And once again, I'm not sure what you think I'm going to do with your opinion on this matter... do you think I will just take it? Well I would, but you say your actions don't matter so how could you telling me anything have any impact at all... baka.
It's always somebody or something that does something in the natural world but never God, what does God have anything to do with it?
The natural world. When you start reading (or even merely thinking) about hard determinism, you'll see there is no way for the natural world to self-contain. It needs a source.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
All of my experience with this reality, has led me to believe there is barely any God involved or there might be one but it's not a direct relationship.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
And what experiences would those be? You have seen the messengers of God and figured out they are projections of your subconscious?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If it's anything, it is the mind conjuring up these things and nothing more.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's always somebody or something that does something in the natural world but never God, what does God have anything to do with it?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Whatever a human does in their mind, such as making up imaginary characters to justify this stupid reality or make it more palatable, is just cope for this stupid reality. That's all it is.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This sounds a bit Calvinistic. Have you heard of the ultracalvinism hypothesis?
You have the mind of a child to think coping with an imaginary thing in your head is going to do much of anything... For anyone.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You have the mind of a child >*strawmans* >*meltdown* >*meltdown* >actions don't matter anyway
Oh my bad.
I worship a vast array of heroes, ancestors, and Gods. Like most people have for all of history.
Good for you. They are all dead.
Also, plural is usally spelled with lowercase g - gods. That is to differentiate them from the uncreated capital-G God.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If I pray or hope that $1,000,000 lands on my doorstep every single day, is it ever going to happen? No and if it does happen, it certainly won't have anything to do with imaginary characters I talk to.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I worship a vast array of heroes, ancestors, and Gods. Like most people have for all of history.
>It really should die out.
How will it do so? Christianity in the West is fading, but it's growing everywhere else. Islam is growing everywhere as well and they are only getting more fanatic as time passes
I really don't care about Abrahamists. They're not willing to put anything on the line for them, and if your beliefs come with zero prize attached to them, they will never be anything more than a weak virtue signal
>I really hate mlecchas.
go worship cosmic superheroes and jeets
Why do I need to worship anything?
Because your actions inevitably result in your participation with something higher than yourself.
>My actions
>Free will
Spook
Free will?
Fuck off retard.
I take it you aren't able to respond to the actual point. Have a nice day and thank you for your concession.
>I'm going to pretend like I won this argument even though I really didn't and I am merely projecting my loss onto you while escaping into the background of LULZ
Very cowardly and dishonorable of you my Abrahamic friend
I answered your question and you went off about free will for some reason. There was no argument to be won. I like "escaping into the background of LULZ" though. You're putting all your soul and might into these interactions. Put the mind in as well.
You mention "My actions" as if this relates to me having free will?? What did you mean by this, asshole? Why are you trying to deflect the natural progression of this conversation?
You perform actions regardless of whether your will is free or bound.
Why do "my" actions matter if I know they're bound by cause and effect?
Because you asked about a type of effect. Worship.
Ok so why does this actually matter and why are you trying to put this into the conversation?
You asked.
This is going nowhere.
Agreed. I've never seen anyone struggle this much with hearing an answer to his question. May your soul find peace.
No it's just because you have no real answer for anything like most Abrahamics. They fail to say anything meaningful and just repeat retarded doctrine
>you have no real answer for anything
Besides the question you asked. If you want to shift goalposts to "why does my question even matter", I am indeed not interested in seeking that answer.
You're the one who keeps shifting goalposts and making roundabouts with your fucking stupid bullshit. You're not even telling me why it even matters, because it doesn't in actuality.
No, it's pretty straightforward. Why do you need to worship? Because you need to act. And actions will inevitably lead to primitive form of worship.
If you don't think actions or communion with something higher matters, I'm completely comfortable leaving you at that.
>If you don't think actions or communion with something higher matters, I'm completely comfortable leaving you at that.
Because it doesn't, nothing ever happens when this happens, and if something does happen after this it has nothing to do with it but other phenomenon in the background.
>actions don't matter
If you say so...
They don't matter because whatever I do I'm going to do it anyway from other causes as I am the effect or the product. Since I have learned about religion, this has caused me to not pray or do anything with that idiocy.
That is honestly one of the silliest and most loaded non-sequiturs I've heard on the topic, but I have faith that as you age, you will escape whatever issues have forced you into this dark corner. Perhaps reading determinists like Harris is a good start.
Then don't talk to imaginary characters. Pray to God.
God IS an imaginary character which is used as a cope by RETARDS LIKE YOU.
Wow, you really think so? This almost made me an atheist ... but since actions don't matter, neither did this post.
Let's say actions matter and we have free will, if I pray, which I foolishly have wasted my time with, does that have an effect? No it doesn't. It, in fact, doesn't do anything for me. It has never done anything for me and to expect something out of it is just cope and silliness on your part. Whatever happens to you was not because "God made it to be so" but because phenomenon outside of you not and not very related to this thing which may or may not exist, has done this to you. Like maybe accidentally placed the $1,000,000 there but it wasn't because God had anything to do with it
Prayer has done plenty for me. And once again, I'm not sure what you think I'm going to do with your opinion on this matter... do you think I will just take it? Well I would, but you say your actions don't matter so how could you telling me anything have any impact at all... baka.
The natural world. When you start reading (or even merely thinking) about hard determinism, you'll see there is no way for the natural world to self-contain. It needs a source.
All of my experience with this reality, has led me to believe there is barely any God involved or there might be one but it's not a direct relationship.
And what experiences would those be? You have seen the messengers of God and figured out they are projections of your subconscious?
If it's anything, it is the mind conjuring up these things and nothing more.
It's always somebody or something that does something in the natural world but never God, what does God have anything to do with it?
Whatever a human does in their mind, such as making up imaginary characters to justify this stupid reality or make it more palatable, is just cope for this stupid reality. That's all it is.
This sounds a bit Calvinistic. Have you heard of the ultracalvinism hypothesis?
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/10/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-4/
You have the mind of a child to think coping with an imaginary thing in your head is going to do much of anything... For anyone.
>You have the mind of a child
>*strawmans*
>*meltdown*
>*meltdown*
>actions don't matter anyway
Oh my bad.
Good for you. They are all dead.
Also, plural is usally spelled with lowercase g - gods. That is to differentiate them from the uncreated capital-G God.
If I pray or hope that $1,000,000 lands on my doorstep every single day, is it ever going to happen? No and if it does happen, it certainly won't have anything to do with imaginary characters I talk to.
I worship a vast array of heroes, ancestors, and Gods. Like most people have for all of history.
Not to mention socially manipulative.
>worship cosmic superheroes
Yes. We will colonise the universe beyond this galaxy.
You shouldn't be hating the people, but rather the religious family.
It really should die out.
I hate most people, especially people who ascribe their belief to an omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent deity.
>It really should die out.
How will it do so? Christianity in the West is fading, but it's growing everywhere else. Islam is growing everywhere as well and they are only getting more fanatic as time passes
Better foreign policies.
The appeal of these religions is that they speak to the desperate. This can be brought on by such things was economics.
And LULZ among all groups of people, regardless of their religion, I'd rather see burned alive.
dont sweat it anon, we wont give up on you
Abrahamics today, something else tomorrow.
"I really hate..."
Just leave it there - buddy!
>Explain XYZ to me!
>Ok now explain why I would asked that question!
?? nigga if it don't matter to you then don't ask?
Yeah, we know you shit on the street.
>"Exists" before Avraham had even come into being
Nothing personal goyo
Pic is a panoramic in 4k uhd of Christians protesting about church pedophilia
I really don't care about Abrahamists. They're not willing to put anything on the line for them, and if your beliefs come with zero prize attached to them, they will never be anything more than a weak virtue signal