I like Medieval Western Europe

I like Medieval Western Europe

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dark Ages of barbarism, ignorance and violence, it would fit with other backward periods like spanish and ottoman empires.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dark ages are pretty much the cause europe got a descentralized power structure, values like chivalry, honor and eventual competition with a changing and developing government system that eventually helped the developement of industrialization.
      The medieval era of europe is nothing but ta change period were europe finished modeling itself into the newcoming world power after the power vacuum left by a failed state

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are confusing dark ages with great plague, anon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The great plague was a main event in the dark ages, but the feudalism during the middle ages and the legal values and considerations of noblity, inherited property and rights derivative from these together with the development of local administrations interwined gave a precedent for the later development of capitalism and industrialization
          In fact, one of the causes why places like germany industrialized with relative ease is the feudalist precedent.
          The dark ages are just a period of reformation for europe that, like it or not, is tied with the eventual success of europe

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nope

          > > During the centuries after 800, the area of western, Christian culture—of Latin Christendom—at least doubled, as it came to encompass much of eastern and northern Europe and, in due time, also the Iberian Peninsula. This was a momentous development; it caused the population of Europe to reach a critical mass, which made possible the great ascendancy of European civilization that continues to this day. That greater population laid the foundation for more intense land use, more commerce, the reorganization of government, the expansion of education, and military innovations, among the many developments of the high Middle Ages that make up the historical background of modern western society. Europe’s expansion during the centuries around the year 1000 was, thus, not only a precedent for Europe’s colonial expansion to other continents in the early modern period, but also a necessary precondition for it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Dark ages are pretty much the cause europe got a descentralized power structure
        The 'Dark Ages' usually refers to the pre-Feudal, Post-Roman Europe. Not the High Middle Ages.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nvm the term is used differently in my language

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The term Dark Ages says it all, an anarchic, dirty and violent era, in which the lords abused the weak, in which the majority of society except a few bourgeois lived as literal slaves, an era in which hundreds of of plagues and that originated the two most disastrous epidemics before the Spanish flu, in which the Church persecuted intellectuals for their dogmatism, a period that gave rise to artistic atrocities, an era full of bloody massacres, ethnic cleansing and looting etc.
        In short, a time in which the average incel would never live.

        >like spanish
        Why all that hate toward Spain? Spanish built almost every city in the New world alongside universities, cathedrals/churches using baroque/neoclassical style, schools, hospitals, infrastructures, well-designed cities using grecoroman city-design, etc.

        Just fucking look at latin america today, lmfao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >in which the lords abused the weak
          proof?
          >in which the majority of society except a few bourgeois lived as literal slaves
          proof?
          > in which the Church persecuted intellectuals for their dogmatism
          proof?
          >a period that gave rise to artistic atrocities
          proof?
          >an era full of bloody massacres, ethnic cleansing
          proof?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >proof
            Just fucking open an history book retard. Ius Primae Noctis, Feudal System, Inquisition, Black Death/Justinian Plague, Cannibalism during famines, Viking/Mongol invasions, etc. Such an horrid period to live.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >DOOD OPEN HISTRY BOOK
              Platitude and I have. Specifically the earlier middle ages. and the picture being painted is a lot more complex than whatever whigoid you are reading.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Just fucking open an history book retard
              Not proof
              You made it up

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Open a history book
              >Ius Primae Noctis

              Make that bait a wee bit less obvious next time

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Ius Primae Noctis
              look at him. look at him and laugh.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Ius Primae Noctis

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Commies don't even know what the word bourgeois means, they think it means rich people. Amazing

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, exactly, look at what happened to those countries after they got rid of the enlightened monarchical Spanish rule that kept their retarded halfbreed manlets in check. Seriously, you have no idea how nice Latin America used to be before the Freemasons turned the whole thing into America's banana farm. It's not a knock against Spanish rule when everything fell apart after this was removed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >lords abused the weak
          this is normal in each time period until recently.
          >in which the majority of society except a few bourgeois lived as literal slaves
          pretty much the same that above, sightly better depending on the period and region but not much
          >an era in which hundreds of of plagues and that originated the two most disastrous epidemics before the Spanish flu
          this helped later development by destroying urban populations helping minor peripheral economies to flourish and also made new ideas pop as the church was unable of provide responses.
          >in which the Church persecuted intellectuals for their dogmatism
          true, but eventually made the church lost influence
          >a period that gave rise to artistic atrocities
          retard
          >an era full of bloody massacres, ethnic cleansing and looting etc.
          this happened everywhere everytime, the middle ages were a transition period caused by the massive power vacuum left by a failed political system, this rough transition eventually made europe sucessful and not repeat it's errors by reproducing such system again and stagnating,

          it's not a desirable time to live in just like the early neolithic isn't either, but is not inherently bad nor uninteresting historically, and, to certain extent, necessary, also some people may find it aestethically attractive

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So like, Africa, today?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do trannies call others incels? No one is having sex with those broad shouldered abominations.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >like spanish
      Why all that hate toward Spain? Spanish built almost every city in the New world alongside universities, cathedrals/churches using baroque/neoclassical style, schools, hospitals, infrastructures, well-designed cities using grecoroman city-design, etc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Beaners say shit like this and then get arrested for hopping the border into America the next day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Barbarism how specifically? How is it comparable to the Spanish and Ottoman empires? Famine was a fact of life in most places until the 20th century. Written records and certain kinds of economic activity declined but people were certainly taller and healthier during the dark ages, there were long periods without major wars and most show no signs of a violent death.

      You are confusing dark ages with great plague, anon.

      The black death spread so quickly and so far due to the flourishing trade network that already existed and had arisen during the middle ages spreading as far as the Mongol Empire and China. A classic case of confusing cause and effect. They already had a mechanical clock and various other innovations.

      Fuck memes like this that people read about but never question because they heard it from someone in authority.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Famine was a fact of life in most places
        >but people were certainly taller and healthier
        If your having famines, your not going to grow very tall

        > there were long periods without major wars and most show no signs of a violent death.
        But there were lots of minor wars, and records show peasants killed each other over the most insignificant slight.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      literal history-channel-education. you should be ashamed of yourself

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kys homosexual.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          truth hurts eh?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    It was when Gothic Cathedrals were built, the most intricate, impressive and grandest structures of the time.
    Lincoln Cathedral was the first building taller than the Pyramid at Giza.
    The oldest true universities sprang up during this time period.
    Most importantly it was the bed from which the Renaissance sprung.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1000 years of suffering is not superseded by a building.

      The fact is feudalism and the church throttled intellectual and economic growth, these are unavoidable outcomes of these operating systems.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The fact is feudalism and the church throttled intellectual and economic growth
        They did basically the exact opposite. The Church was the largest producer of intellectual texts and works while the Pre-Feudal Carolingian, Merovingian and even Roman Empires were antithetical to economic growth and innovation as they were monopolistic empires without real external competition. The Low Counties and Northern Italy greatly increase their economic standards during the Middle Ages with and without Feudalism. Competition from states, and the Feudal system encouraged Lords and communities to economically develop the regions under their control. The German Dukes during the 11-12th centuries were known to have done it extensively, because it meant more taxes and more men for them.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Op, Im sorry your thread was ruined by retards. For once, you arent the fag. I also like Medieval Europe. Personally, Im a big fan of the development of the French monarchy and Gregorian Reform. How about you?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP but personally I'm a big autist for the later middle ages, especially foreign adventurisms. I like the hanseatic league a lot. And the english state developmentis also cool.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Intresting. Honestly havent read much of that period as Im a high middle ages man. However, the imagery from that time is crazy. Gleaming knights in full plate and armored horses, bright and flash coat of arms. The height of medieval warfare. Also intresting social developments too, between the splintering of the papacy, further development of trade, black death and hundred years war. Also anytime I read about 1300s ottomans Im invested

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I understand. I always find things like the normans in the mediterraneanor even henry the navigator (very at the fringe of the middle ages I admit) to be fascinating topics. Though the high middle ages is also nice. If I recall correctly it includesfrom charlemagne to to the 1200s or am I completely wrong?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If I recall correctly it includesfrom charlemagne to to the 1200s
            10th to 12th century I believe. The 9th century is still essentially Carolingian

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm mostly reading about the Hundred Years War and the Carolingians. Although I'm interested in the Spanish Kingdoms and Germany, I'm reading a biography on Frederick Barbarossa right now

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dark Ages of barbarism, ignorance and violence, it would fit with other backward periods like spanish and ottoman empires.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gem

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    proof for literally any of your statements?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      repeating bullshit isnt making it any more true. you are the kind of person who thinks braveheart is a faithful tale about medieval life.

      Get sex, social outcast incels

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dilate

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    repeating bullshit isnt making it any more true. you are the kind of person who thinks braveheart is a faithful tale about medieval life.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    The "renaissance" is a meme, the Middle Ages following the 12th century gained a money economy and cities were more and more prosperous with fairs bringing a lot of revenue to the merchant class and the local baron, while serfdom went into decline because the superior negotiability of cash forced lords to commute the rents in kind and services owed to their peasants into money payments, while the seignorial demesnes were being diminished by an increased centralisation of power and the rise of a new mercantile class in the cities. Finally the Black Death was the nail in the coffin, and by the 14th century France and England de facto didn't have serfs anymore.
    The Middle Ages experienced their own Renaissance in the 12th century, what with the development of new building techniques in northern France which led to Gothic architecture, a golden age in poetry with the chansons de geste and the romances (Chrétien de Troyes and Marie de France are still very highly regarded), and a scholarly tradition that favoured empiricism, first at the school of Chartres then at Oxford and Paris, producing some of the brightest minds in history (Roger Bacon and Nicole Oresme were absolute geniuses) and an early humanist tradition that people like you willingly ignore. The 15th century was the real dark age, because for all the art it produced, it took until Copernicus for the West to begin growing beyond Oresme and Bacon's innovations in mathematics, astronomy, optics, etc. As an economist, Oresme remained unmatched until the 18th century. There also isn't a single author of note in the period between Chaucer and Erasmus, so much for the "Renaissance".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Renaissance had practical advantages like printing press, optics and literacy that made it several levels above the dark ages

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The printing press' advantages didn't materialise until the 16th century. Again the 15th century is the real dark age, no geniuses like Bacon or Oresme as the authors of the time preferred deferring to ancient authorities instead of treating their subjects empirically, no writers of note between Chaucer and Erasmus, vacuous religious art (look up what the Pre-Raphaelites had to say about the Transfiguration). Da Vinci is probably the most overrated polymaths in history, a good history on any of the subjects he wrote about will tell you that he had nothing important to say, such as E.T. Bell's The Development of Mathematics, 1940, which asserts that "Leonardo's published jottings on mathematics are trivial, even puerile, and show no mathematical talent whatever." Now compare that to Fibonacci or Nicole Oresme, both geniuses who took maths to a new level.
        The Renaissance contributed a lot to art, but led to a decline of virtually every other field. This was probably aided in no small part by the Black Death, but fact is it took until Copernicus and the Scientific Revolution for the West to surpass medieval thinkers. Scholastics are often criticised for relying too much on Aristotle as their maître à penser, when in fact they were more prone to using the empirical method, and less subservient to ancient authorities than the thinkers of the Renaissance, who are rightfully forgotten. Petrarch's Africa is a good representation of the Renaissance spirit, a vacuous epic relying on ancient themes which is also rightfully forgotten and poorly regarded, unlike the medieval Alexandreis by Walter of Châtillon.
        People like you will look at pic related and think this was the product of a dark and uncivilised age. Reassess yourself.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >People like you will look at pic related
          I can also look at the roman parthanon which was built 1000 years earlier and think it was the product of uncivilized slave labour

          The fact is, literate people are smarter because they have more information, the technology was better making travel over long distances feasible. Having educated people meeting in every town in coffee houses made the whole society more civilized.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Having educated people meeting in every town in coffee houses made the whole society more civilized.
            I have no idea what you're talking about, that didn't happen until the 19th century in European capitals.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              By 1663, there were 83 coffee houses in London, Lloyds of London began as Edward Lloyds coffee house on Tower Street in 1688.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >1663
                Cool. Not Renaissance though.
                Also seems like quite an arbitrary way to assess progress, fact is the Middle Ages from the 12th century onwards contributed more to science than the Renaissance.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >seems like quite an arbitrary way to assess progress
                The people living at the time like Peternach assess it because they had lived the dark ages.

                >Middle Ages from the 12th century onwards contributed more to science than the Renaissance
                Your looking at it the wrong way,Renaissance was not a piece of string,it was a change in the way people thought.
                .

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >By 1663
                That's literally the Early Modern era

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >By 1663
                They didnt just magically appear like mushrooms, the earliest coffee house in London was 1640, and they would have been on the continent before that

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Coffee probably was on the continent for a long time, it's just that when you have to buy it from arabia and at an extreme pice selling it to the local yeoman middle class man isn't sustainable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok and? That's still the Early Modern era

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's called a pantheon anon. The parthenon is a ruined building in the acropolis of athens.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    And yet the average peasant lived a better and more fulfilling life than the one we have under democracy

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >Middle-ages were the time of darkness and primitivism, times of such a violence, backwardness and primitivism that literally needed a Renaissance to get people out of it and its corrupted shadow was so big that still needed a lot of Revolutions to get rid of the bloody petty kinglet tyrants and their nobles to liberate Europe from them.
    >Middle-ages were, are and will always been a period synonymous with illiteracy, filth, senseless violence, religious fanaticism, massacres, famines, dogmatism, tyranny, oppression and barbarism.
    >The kind of period that incels like you love to praise but would refuse to live in.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not enjoying the Byzantine and the Balkan middle-ages
    Are you a pleb or something?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There were multiple renaissances and major reforms in Europe during the Middle Ages including things like the Scholastic movement and foundation of universities hundreds of years before "The Renaissance", this is where the rediscovery of classical education actually began. Europe didn't suddenly go from squalid peasant farmers to sailing across the ocean in a span of 50 years. There are multiple brackets of time of major reform and changes within the middle ages so it's not like things were mostly static until a major breakthrough finally restarted progress. Please stop taking your perception history from Civilization V.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dark Ages

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