I just can't get the hype. I've always wanted to get into post-rock but every album sounds like it justs desperately wants to evoke a feeling of melancholy in exchange for listenability. The build ups on this were amazing but it all went to ruin when the culminations were all disappointing and left me feeling blue balled. I feel like if they would suddenly change the sound (e.g. to something like a heavy riff) it would be much better. Take for example Starless by King Crimson. And as a whole the genre just seems like a soundtrack to some tear-jerky European movie made by a film student.
Am I just listening the wrong way?
Listen to Disco Inferno
Great band. First post good post.
Listen to Mogwai and Fuck Buttons as well.
>Listen to Mogwai
or better yet, don't
awesome shit, not post rock related at all.
Okay, enough of that blabbering for tonight. Time to take my dog for a walk, greet the sunrise, and finally get some sleep. cheerio m8s
why would you want to like this dogshit lol
my thoughts every time someone
>halp why don’t i like this
posts over an rymer album.
why would you want to be an uninteresting nerd?
Horrible, horrible album. Just awful. Just fucking awful.
*clears phlegm* What does Godspeed You! Black Emeperor's music have in common with the average black person? They're both poor. *pathetic sob* BUT TTHAAAAATS MY LIFE!
I guess post-rock just isn't for you then huh
>Take for example Starless by King Crimson
very good observation. I always felt a similar vibe between GY!BE and Starless.
>build ups on this were amazing but it all went to ruin when the culminations were all disappointing
Never felt that way, for me it works flawlessly. Maybe you need to be in a proper mood? It is a genre to be melancholic to, listening to it like you have to get another checkmark on your RYM list probably don't help.
Try not expecting big climax; listen to this record as you would to an ambient album, when the mood goes up and down, and morphs and flows, and try to look at the pieces as a whole picture.
Also try their debut, its quite different, and by far their best IMO; or Slow Riot, which is more condensed and follow more standard song structure.
>whole the genre just seems like a soundtrack to some tear-jerky European movie made by a film student
pretty much, at list after the 2nd wave. what this anon said
>Listen to Disco Inferno
also Tortoise, Bowery Electric, Shalabi Effect, Labraford...
you'll be surprised how vast and diverse this genre used to be.
I listened to the whole album while walking alone in my neighborhood, that's what I usually do. Thing is I am rarely in the mood this album is trying to create, i.e. bittersweet, uplifting but depressive. As for the genre I've listened to To Be Kind which was eh and laughing stock which was good.
>Maybe you need to be in a proper mood?
This. The burden is not on the entertainer, it’s on the audience to come with a negative attitude. There's only so much the artist can do if the listener is a well adjusted tax paying citizen who grew up adequately loved by their mother
If you're satisfied with the modern world, there's something wrong with you
it's so weird how neo-LULZ zoomcancers picked a few LULZcore albums to seethe about in order to look patrician.
lyflath is one of them, hospice, sftb, okc, etc.
>picked a few LULZcore albums to seethe about in order to look patrician.
>lyflath is one of them, hospice, sftb, okc, etc.
looks like they picked the shit albums, so it seems about right
Thanks for proving my point, zoomies!
hospice was already getting shat on before "zoomies" was even a word lmao
if your point was that not everyone would get tricked by the echo chamber of the past, then you're welcome
it's massively overrated and people are finally recognizing that, same thing that happened with hospice years ago
that's how it is. new generation comes, destroys the old order and try to find their own ways.
it's a shame the best they can offer is fucking 100gecs and popstar worship lmao, this website is doomed
>Expecting neo-LULZ to have good tastes
Rookie mistake, brother.
Also everyone is conflating post-rock with crescendocore, a subgenre of post-rock, albeit the most popular subgenre. Regardless, you should educate yourself a little before spam hate for a whole genre based on what many fans (and most non-fans) consider the worst subgenre...
Shitty crescendocore like sigur ros or swans
>names two of the least crescendocore mainstream post-rock bands
you could've at least said EITS or TWDY or something
Try Laughing Stock by Talk Talk if you haven't, post rock doesn't really hit for me either but that album is top 3 for me
FA∞ is so much better
do zoomers ever just sit and listen to a piece of music without trying to "debunk" it?
it's pretentious music. so it's perfect for you.
Bruh, startless is the absolute peak in dynamics… soft mellotron melancholia to various stages of insanity, etc.
But yeah it’s definitely not a real genre, it’s basically 4/5 albums by godspeed, mogwai… mono maybe? Does Sigur ros count?
>Does Sigur ros count?
definitely, one of the biggest players in post-rock
>definitely not a real genre
wrong. id say its half innovative, but very unrelated bands, experimenting with sound at broadly same point in the late 90s/early 00s; but without cohesive, set 'sound'; other half are bands sharing same defining traits (so pretty much crescendocore)
>it’s basically 4/5 albums by godspeed
bruh. whole GYBE-adjecent Montreal scene; later: Set fire to flames,Do make say think, This will destroy you, port-royal, Russian Circles, Explosions in the sky, God is an astronaut, 60dos and countless other bands, you shouldn't really waste your time listening, unless you are young adult in ~2010
Thank you for posting my gybe web, Anon. I spent alot of time on it. Here's the expanded one.
thank you, bro. that's the content im willing to suffer through all the usual LULZ bullshit for
also for And So I Watch You From Afar and Tides From Nebula don't force melancholy and have really optimistic sounding, energetic tracks
>Tides From Cebula
can't listen to them without bias, bad associations
>Sigur Ros is by far the best band associated with post rock
Sigur Ros anon here. Thanks for the recc. Definitely trying something outside the formula of post-rock. Anymore reccs for post rock bands who were/are actual inspired artists and not just hopping on the crescndo reverb meme?
see my post
also Talk Talk's Laughing Stock few anons mentioned; port-royal for post rock mixed with some pretty idmish soundscapes, Windy and Carl if you want something almost ambient a'la Stars of the Lid (but better).
From gybe-related projects Shalabi Effect and Fly Pan Am are most worth checking, quite experimental stuff; and Silver mt Zion if you're in a mood for total melodrama
save this anons picrel because he did hell of a job, loads of those are really creative and unique (even if many are 1-2 times listens); but thats for you to discover.
This is great. Big IDM, ambient, glitch, etc., fan. Thanks. Anything in this electronic crossover direction that features vocals or is more structured? Just interested in what that would sound like. Been trying to make something in the vein myself for a long time.
you can try Lights Out Asia, but I don't vouch for anything. Their sound is to sterile for me, almost like some Buddha Bar chillout compilation meme; but your mileage may vary
>And So I Watch You From Afar
didn't know them. pretty cool, thanks for posting
I don't know why anyone in their right mind would assume that a genre with "post-" in the name is full of stuff that all sounds the same
Because the most popular bands in the genre do.
Only postrock group worth a toss enters thread
name a more landfill genre
>three distinct waves
yeah totally landfill dude
first wave has nothing in common with crescendocore
yes, that's why its not a landfill genre lmao
Horrible overrated album and band. Sigur Ros is by far the best band associated with post rock - I say associated with because what they do is so much better and more interesting than anything else in the genre that it doesn't feel fair to group them in with it.
Listen to Slint.
hey lil bro
this album requires patience
patience went extinct in 2012
I don't blame you
here's some tits so you read this post
there are things that deserves your attention more than emotionally manipulative crescendos and babby's first drone
>emotionally manipulative music
Kek. Isn’t the entire point of music to evoke emotion and states of feeling, anon? I guess I’ve been doing it wrong all this time.
yes, and bad music evokes feelings in a very cheap, overly dramatic way
GYBE is a good example of that
>le sad violin notes over sensationalistic speeches
there is literally nothing cheaper than that
>dude the music is TOO good at evoking feels…
And it’s not just one thing either, their tracks are often long and hit several aspects. Like a symphony that tells a story.
>the music is too unsubtle at evoking feels...
>their tracks are often long and hit several aspects.
At least from their early albums you can sum up their moments in:
which would be fine for more straight forward or more technical music, but for one and a half hour of relatively simple music on a composition and sonical level, it becomes very reiterative
On proper classical music you barely see such simple and predictable movements, and in a good genre focused on sound the textures and atmosphere is not that mediocre
I did and I realized GYBE is poor, now it's your turn
I'm over 18; that's how I know that adding "-istic" to the end of a word doesn't make you sound smarter.
sensationalism is an actual word you underage retard, if don't want to search for the meanings of words you don't know at least don't try to sound smart on the internet
>sensationalism is an actual word
yes, but its 'sensationalist', not 'sensationalistic'
>you underage retard, if don't want to search for the meanings of words you don't know at least don't try to sound smart on the internet
god I love this place
so you were just being a grammar nazi, well, at least I know you didn't have any real arguments all along
wrong, different anon here. i was just amused by your angry ranting.
>lets assume that is not inherently bad
it's not. it's only a technique, a means to an end by itself. compare it to movie language. dolly zoom, for example, isn't good or bad by itself, it's how you use it.
>notoverused in the case of GYBE (despite doing it 3, arguably 4 times during F#A infinity, slow riots and lift your skinny fists)
oh come on dude. that was kinda their thing, you follow? it's like taking a screamo band and complaining about screaming vocals lol.
Also you mention two albums and an EP (!!), already on Yanqui they started to search for new sound, and after hiatus and reunion they reinvented themselves completely, EXACTLY to not eat their own tails. How is this 'overplayed' is beyond me.
>explain why it's objectively good here
I didn't say that. I only proposed that you should try to listen being objective.
Subjectively, why GYBE's style works IMO is:
-they're good musicians, so it's not like this movie soundtrack thing is some shorthand, or there to disguise lack of composing and instrumental talent
-the music emotional enough by itself, so it's complements nicely those "sensationalist speeches', that are also pretty picturesque, help paint vivid imaginary in your mind. theres a reason their music is described as movie-like
-still, there's some tongue in cheek moments, so you know they're not so full of themselves. I mean BBF3 is literally Iron Maiden lyrics after all
-Godspeed take on post rock was to take your standard, played out rock formula and turn it upside down. You don't have 5 mins of verse-chorus-verse, you have 20+ minutes of almost philharmonic pieces. you can have few lines of spoken word followed by purely instrumental music, and can covey the same feeling, ideas, stories as with traditional lyrics. that simple "they don't sleep on the beach anymore" packs more emotional punch than most of rock/indie/whatevs lyrics I've heard
>oh come on dude. that was kinda their thing, you follow? it's like taking a screamo band and complaining about screaming vocals lol.
I do, bad cliches exist, and the screaming vocals (at least the screaming vocals at the average screamo band) is one of them
>I only proposed that you should try to listen being objective.
I want to believe you mean being impartial, which I don't get how I wasn't, but let's see your arguments
>they're good musicians, so it's not like this movie soundtrack thing is some shorthand, or there to disguise lack of composing and instrumental talent
I'll give them that
>the music emotional enough by itself, so it's complements nicely those "sensationalist speeches'
the first part is exactly the problem, the music is very emotional by itself, so there is no reason to add more to that, in fact, it is worse since it makes the music more "in your face", if they wanted to make soundscapes with giving the movie-like feel, there are better and more subtle ways on doing that
>still, there's some tongue in cheek moments, so you know they're not so full of themselves. I mean BBF3 is literally Iron Maiden lyrics after all
Maybe I'm going to be partial here, but those tongue in cheek moments make it worse for me, they sound out of place considering the tone of the music, it is the equivalent of a person that shows depression constantly making a joke of depression, it is a joke for sure but it doesn't feel right
there is worse music in that regard (Have a Nice Life for example) but I don't think it is a good way of showing self-awareness
>Godspeed take on post rock was to take your standard, played out rock formula and turn it upside down.
What? GYBE is not the first let alone the only band on doing that, in fact it is not a thing post rock only makes, the deconstruction of rock music is something rock bands have tried since the late 60s at least, and even for 20+ epic, classical like pieces is almost a prog cliche
>bad cliches exist, and the screaming vocals is one of them
>I want to believe you mean being impartial
yeah, that's what i meant
>first part is exactly the problem, the music is very emotional by itself, so there is no reason to add more to that, in fact, it is worse since it makes the music more "in your face", if they wanted to make soundscapes with giving the movie-like feel, there are better and more subtle ways on doing that
so thats where are experiences differ. for me it ads a nice touch, almost like intro of sorts that sets the mood and expectations. overkill would be having monologues all over the track length.
you dont feel it that way, it's okay
> tongue in cheek moments make it worse for me, they sound out of place considering the tone of the music
I like em. It's like two sides of the same coin. You can deeply feel the music, and yet realize that it is basically blues taken to extreme logical conclusion. for me those sides compliment each other, not create dissonance. again, I can see how it might mess with the mood for someone.
>GYBE is not the first let alone the only band on doing that etc
I am well aware of that.I remember having exactly same arguments in ~2002, when I was still a prog fan, and die hards on forums were getting mad that Godspeed is not progressive.
I know it's been done for decades, I know rock music follows this pattern when it gets more and more boundary pushing, then back to the basics, then experimental again and so on. But you just cant make the point that post rock musicians, be it 1st wave pioneers, Montreal scene or every derivative crescendocore followed the same script as Genesis or Yes, just because of long songs and diverse instrumentarium, because it's just not true.
>You can deeply feel the music, and yet realize that it is basically blues taken to extreme logical conclusion. for me those sides compliment each other, not create dissonance.
It sounds good on paper, my problem is that I think GYBE's music is very unbalanced in that regard
The tongue in cheek moments are few and far between, as well as the music is so immersed on evoking emotions that feels out of place as I said earlier
If the music was more modest in the emotional part, I think that would work better
>But you just cant make the point that post rock musicians, be it 1st wave pioneers, Montreal scene or every derivative crescendocore followed the same script as Genesis or Yes
Maybe not Yes or Genesis, but to me GYBE pretty much sounds like Univers Zero meets Glenn Branca, more emotional than the other two, but it's not groundbreaking by any means
>relatively simple music on a composition and sonical level, it becomes very reiterative
>on a composition and sonical level
Trying way too hard kiddo
it's not bad per se tbh. it's bad when it's overdone or poorly made, and i'd argue Godspeed are good at keeping balance between emotions and craftsmanship
and if LYSFLATH is too long for you, cut it down to Storm/Sleep. Or just listen to F#A#∞
Be objective and lose that "being emotional is not cool now" act
I would call Stereolab post rock, but god damn I love this band
let's imply that I'm not being objective and that is not inherently bad nor it is overused in the case of GYBE (despite doing it 3, arguably 4 times during F#A infinity, slow riots and lift your skinny fists)
explain why it's objectively good here
Cringed hard. Obvious pseud teenager
What albums deserve attention more in your opinion?
those are some sexy panties.
whenever I see a picture like this and I'm not horny I just get mad because that's all the majority of women have to offer.
>albums made by other generations good
>albums made by zoomers bad
Why is LULZ like this?
listening to this now and I love it, I also think King Crimson is one of the most ridiculously overrated bands of all time. Tastes are different
Didnt read the thread.
Moya is their best crescendocore song
what do you normally listen to? It could just be not the right album or you don't like the genre as a whole. Pic rel is my favorite post-rock album, give it a listen. It doesnt revel in it's length too much. Some songs are long, some aren't. But none hit the 10 minute mark.
There's nothing to get, anon. It's a shitty album made by a shitty group who got shilled here endlessly by retarded teenagers.
I feel like Lift yr Skinny fists only resonates with
people that smoke cigarettes or live in the north east.
What a sad state of this board that this amazing Post-Rock record is shat on. Is beautiful and very accessible. Sleep us monumental and superb.
Their debut is better though.
I'm so glad you guys can make and original argument lol