I feel like a huge elephant in the room is the disastrous energy waste of Proof of Work.

I feel like a huge elephant in the room is the disastrous energy waste of Proof of Work. It really is a huge problem, and yet crypto proponents, especially bitcoin maxis, never seem to talk about it.
Whenever I bring it up, the responses are always one of these four, each as poor of an "argument" as the last:

1. Moral bankruptcy ("lmao who cares about the environment you homosexual")
2. Ludicrous mental gymnastics about how it isn't a problem ("PoW actually incentivizes green energy therefore it's actually good for the environment.")
3. Blame-shifting ("Mining doesn't emit any CO2, it's the fossil fuel plants that do, we just have to build out green energy")
or 4. Whataboutism ("How much does banks or gold mining or <insert other industry> pollute?")

Meanwhile nothing improves, and people keep dying and suffering because of bitcoin's emissions.

  1. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    It is time to embrace the new world, the eth world. It is not too late for btc maxis

  2. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Blame-shifting ("Mining doesn't emit any CO2, it's the fossil fuel plants that do, we just have to build out green energy")
    Are you retarded. It's more cost efficient to run renewables at bitcoin farms.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      I have not seen any evidence that this is the case. And in fact I have seen evidence that says it is NOT the case, such as the examples of fossil fuel plants that come out of decommissioning in order to power bitcoin farms. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/18/bitcoin-miners-revive-fossil-fuel-plant-co2-emissions-soared

  3. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it's 2. If any governments were actually sincere about building cheap clean energy infrastructure then tax-breaks on green-mining would be a no brainer.

  4. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    the point is to force the advancement of renewable energy
    but nooo, saudis need to have their poop orgies

  5. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    We could just use the waste-heat to generate energy. Power plants function on "waste-heat" anyway, as they boil water. The energy is wasted because the work is performed after the power-generation; it just needs to be put in front of the power-generation, and then the heat from the increase in entropy can be used to boil water to generate electrical power.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      This makes a tiny difference. Waste heat can only be recycled to a very small ratio of the energy put into the system that is heated.

      global warming is fake.
      even if it were real bitcoin is not actually large enough to make a meaningful impact globally.
      it’s a psyop/smear campaign designed to prevent adoption of free money that threatens the powers that be.

      >global warming is fake.
      lol
      >even if it were real bitcoin is not actually large enough to make a meaningful impact globally.
      Actually it seems to me that quitting PoW is probably the very highest bang for the buck in terms of pollution reduction per effort/realism, that we have.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        But computation that erases information does output that information as heat. A power plant outputs heat from energy extracted from the environment into water. Hashing outputs almost all of the information put into it as entropy, i.e. heat.

  6. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    proof of work is retarded but the pollution argument is a boogeyman. society could have drastically reduced CO2 emissions by adhering to the work from home revolution, but companies are slowly forcing their wagecattle back on the kill floor for nonsense reasons. no one actually cares about pollution and the environment -- it's a political tool.

  7. 7 days ago
    Anonymous
  8. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    global warming is fake.
    even if it were real bitcoin is not actually large enough to make a meaningful impact globally.
    it’s a psyop/smear campaign designed to prevent adoption of free money that threatens the powers that be.

  9. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Everything uses energy and humanity produces and consumes it in an exponential pace. This doesn't mean that emission have to rise. You just got conditioned by the media to care about problem that isn't even real.

  10. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    crypto and fusion energy are supposed to work in tandem. unfortunately this is a timeline in which crypto already is established and needs massive amounts of energy but abundant fusion energy will always be 20 years away from the present.

  11. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Whataboutism
    howsabout you're the least intelligent person in your group and others laugh at you behind your back. really and truly, you're an idiot. dont waste anyones else time with shit you cant understand.

  12. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Its not a waste.

  13. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    You just have to kill all naggerS in Apefrica given the amount of environmental damage they do everyday, but you'll call that "blame-shifting."
    >inb4 go leave
    You know I'm right.

  14. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >I feel like a huge elephant

    ywnbae

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      underrated post

  15. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    You're the kind of person to cry about plastic straws and claim "muh whataboutism!" when someone correctly points out that you're a dumbass making arguments in bad faith.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Very incorrect, guess again.

  16. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >[thing I don't like] uses energy
    >Thus, [thing] is a waste of energy
    Checkmate, [thing]maxis!

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >[thing I don't like]
      I like crypto.
      >uses energy
      It's not merely about it using energy, if it was the only choice, I would have accepted it. But it's not. It's about it using more energy than what is necessary. We now have a working and secure alternative in modern Proof Of Stake implementations. That makes PoW a waste. Just like it would be a waste to travel from A to B with an intercontinental rocketship, when A and B is 100 meters apart.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Necessary
        The market decides what's necessary, not you or the PoS cucks.
        Immutable money bitch

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          >The market decides what's necessary
          The market does not decide what is necessary. It only decides what is profitable. And the market does not factor in externalities, meaning that what is profitable for the market (read: for the elite), is actually usually harmful to you and me. It is you who are the cuck, speaking for a philosophy that would have you brutally enslaved if it had the freedom to.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Recommended reading: Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell
            Good luck on your journey of learning

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks but it was precisely my journey of learning that led me to knowing what I taught you in my last post. Maybe you haven't quite gotten there yet.

  17. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >the banking and financial system emits huge amount of CO2 comparable to entire countries
    I sleep
    >some Bitcoin miners emit CO2
    REAL SHIT NIGGA!

  18. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like a huge elephant in the room is the disastrous energy waste of American Education.

  19. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    pulls a pepe and no one on LULZ is talking about it

  20. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    see nic carters arguments for why you're a huge gay retarded homosexual shill for gay retarded globohomo policies that are dumb and bad

    your propaganda is bad and you are a stinky pee pee poo poo retard naggerbrain please don't come back until you have better material thank you.

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