I fail to understand the soul.
If it's the "self awareness", then that awareness can be easily broken down and altered with everything from alcohol to blunt trauma.
If it's the mind, then it too can be slowed down and deformed through drugs and injury.
I've paid sudden attention to my own inner monologue whilst falling asleep and there doesn't seem to be anything metaphysical or undisturbable.
Everything points to my own mind and thoughts being but the reaction of things happening around me and then cyrcling around in my head.
So why do people believe in souls?
Because they believe the words of people who didn't know shit
Because if you didn't have a soul you'd be a npc
Soul, similar to god, is a placeholder for modern religions in a secular context. There's YHWH in the bible vs the tri omni trinitarian god from modern Christianity, similarly "the" soul depends on who you ask and where you ask. This is more noticeably as you've realized, when people start defining terms: there's mind, consciousness, self awareness... then there's no space left for souls, so instead of leaving the concept behind it keeps squirming away.
Some people argue from a theological perspective (soul is what humans have and what enables or disables heaven or hell), there's the metaphysical perspective (a non physical self substance), the esoteric meaning (souls are aspects of something yadda yadda), the ancient and pre-chemistry meaning (soul = enables life), etc. It means anything it needs to in the moment.
Regardless, it's a buzzword in every sense, it solves nothing, it doesn't help further understanding, it's a concept that doesn't apply to reality, push it hard enough and it becomes nonsensical, it's only relevant in byzantine discussions.
You are stupid.
Sorry you're offended.
>I fail to understand the soul.
>If it's the "self awareness", then that awareness can be easily broken down and altered with everything from alcohol to blunt trauma.
That's only true of the constructed psychological notion of "self" (ie the fake pseudoself) but it's not true of the reflexive access of consciousness to itself (which is a pre-cognitive and non-discursive form of self awareness) which has never been shown or proven to be interrupted by anything
The soul is the thing which is experiencing those things. It experiences the clarity as well as the lack of clarity. It experiences being slowed and deformed. It experiences being human
To go to Descarte:
>everything you experience is false
>in fact a demon has created all that you experience in such a way that everything is false
>the only thing that cannot be false, the, is that you exist
If you don't exist, there us no one to be fooled.
So you exist.
But what are you?
Brain isn't a thing. It's a collection of things.
>electrons / protons / standard model
Which one? With entropy, the "you"-electron may shortly leave your brain. There is a ship of theseus problem here.
>Okay I'm the whole structure
Okay then, if you are experiencing because of the structure what about the structure makes you experience
Okay, so a loom is experiencing?
Okay so a sufficiently advanced Babbage machine is experiencing?
>sensory plus information
Okay so a video camera attached to a series of ropes and pulleys is experiencing?
Okay so a lightbulb is experiencing?
>sensory + information + electrons
Okay so your Webcam and your Dell is experiencing.
>sensory + information + electrons + cell biology /DNA
Final grasping at straws.
Bottom line is this
>experience/consciousness/qualia cannot be shown to be anything physical or functional or informational
>experience is not physical
>Souls (nonphysical experience receivers) must exist if experience exists but is not physical.
Therefore Souls exist.
Complicated and I glossed over a lot, but do your research into qualia and you will come to the same conclusion.
>I don't understand, therefore God exists
Ahhh, the motto of the spiritual people.
No. I'm arguing from known properties. Your argument is "I don't see it so it don't exist".
Where in the brain are you? "The brain" is a collection of atoms and voltage imbalances. Are you in the atoms? Then brain in a blender is still experiencing. Are you in the voltage imbalances? Then a dead man being shocked is still experiencing.
You haven't really grasped the problem yet, thinking you have landed at the right answer, you have stopped trying. But you haven't landed at the right answer, you landed at an appealing but untenable falsehood.
Grown ups are talking buddy.
>Where in the brain are you?
You are not a unique state but the plural creation of different ongoing processes. You are the Ship of Theseus always being replaced yet the process remains. You can lose some part of your brain and survive yet it will chance who you are as the process is disrupted. Emergence is the word.
Can be physical manipulated. Just drink or sleep and you see how consciousness is not total but degreeable. With that fact alone all your argument falls apart. You can force someone to accept foreign action as one's own conscious action. See the Libet experiment.
>But what are you?
First: Emergent product of the brain processes. If one accepts a consequential worldview and one is not trapped within solipsism.
Second: There is no self but plural selves. And the mind can physically be manipulated with drugs and cuts.
Third: While we do not experience ourselves as brains but our sensations and thoughts these can fooled and modified and in one case of conjoined twins they can experience the other's mind and thoughts.
>Okay so your Webcam and your Dell is experiencing.
In most meaningful senses, yes
It's the essence of you.
Kind of similar when you see someone in a dream. You don't see their faces, or hear their voices; yet you know you're dealing with them.
If you strip away intelligence, memory, emotion and even self-awareness, there's still something left. Just an infinitesimal iota of awareness. That's the soul.
Can you proof that? How can no self-awareness mean a bit awareness? No awareness is not a bit awareness.
any form of awareness in fact reduces to a simple and fundamental form of self awareness
>I've paid sudden attention to my own inner monologue whilst falling asleep
The attention itself is the real you.
The interpretation is your mind.
What happened to his head?
The soul is intertwined with your vessel (body) perfectly. you take substances that harm your body, your soul is harmed as well. your body gets bonked on the head and so does your soul. there is no disconnect there