I'm tired and this is hell. This place isn't even normal, it's literally disgusting how people are allowed to physically and mentally torture other people, how my mother has to be a wageslave at the age of 50, even I have committed sins that I realize are insane. This isn't okay. I want to leave. I'm done with lizard people eating all my energy after I die
How do I leave forever?
Jesus and the Buddha are the only ones who actually pose a solution to that, make of it what you will.
Free will exists. You really are free to die. Believe, my frens. Believe.
This but I don't believe reincarnation is meant literally. I think it just means being a part of the world. You can withdraw and follow the noble eightfold path or whatever path works for you, have an awakening, and be free from suffering. all this means though is you're not making choices anymore and you're content with that. Like you abstain from your desires long enough that they have no power over you anymore and you are at peace. As soon as you indulge again you will notice you no longer have that same peace. You get the suffering that comes along with making choices and indulging. Doing nothing is how you escape incarnation which is really just interacting with the world during this lifetime and probably the only life you'll ever live. So do nothing if you want to escape suffering. Don't play the game of life. Live an ascetic lifestyle and really push yourself to be comfortable with less. That is where the freedom from suffering comes from and the escape from samsara. You'll probably want to "reincarnate" again after a while though because you'll get bored. You'll integrate back into the world and sin again. Unless you go all the way and enter mahasamadhi. Where are you going to do this though? Society won't let you meditate to death.
amsara (or sometimes spelled "Sansara") is the daily round of the normal everyday world (where the triviality and repetition; the so-called "hurry-up-and-wait aspects of life are emphasized). A. General description: the static or senseless cycle of everyday life. E.g., the metaphor of the potter's wheel
escaping samsara literally means escaping normal life.
Don't worry anon. I'm going to help all of us with that. Trust me, and I'll relieve us all.
My guy, you have to start the process of spiritual healing and purification. Seek and you will find, and all that. It would appear you want a shortcut out. Personally, I don't think this is possible. If you die, unprepared, uninitiated into the true nature of this universe, you will just be tricked, funneled back to Earth with no memories and subsequently be doomed to eternally restart this process. Whatever religion you or your family have been indoctrinated into, those familiar spirits will appear when you die, guiding you back to this soul prison. The only way out is to have a great enough willpower, outside of your body, to exert you're innate ability to decide the fate of your consciousness.
Now, I'm just some asshole, right? So obviously I don't know jack shit either, however, I'll say you're extremely fortunate for already being suspicious of the nature of our reality. Just keep learning, reading, and growing your understanding. You must be prepared at death, at least that's what I've taken away so far.
>you will just be tricked, funneled back to Earth with no memories and subsequently be doomed to eternally restart this process
this is schizo shit. gnostics were wrong. read NDEs with a grain of faith in omnipotent love and you'll realize this is a lie to make people scared. once you have felt what divine love really feels like, and you might on your journey, you'll realize there is nothing like that.
Sure, that's fine and all. To be fair, I've had an NDE, technically not near death since I was legally dead for 6 minutes. I don't agree, and I wish I knew you well enough to take the time to explain the way I feel and the things I've experienced and also to then hear you why you feel that way, and to hear about your lived experience.
But that's crazy to do on /x/, so instead here's some more schizo posting.
I think there is a single divine creator, I think the creator is universally good and loving. I do not think it is the god of Christ. Or any religion.
I do not feel fear related to death, I know (personally) what is next for me. It brings me a great deal of comfort.
I mean technically there is traps and evil entities and blah blah blah but it's all part of the divine love to the point where it's essentially not real and we are fine, you see what I'm saying?
I'm giving you a lot of lee-way here, but I believe you essentially have a similar understanding as I do.
>it's all part of the divine love to the point where it's essentially not real and we are fine
Essentially this. I just think there are more steps for everyone to take, more to gather and more to be done, spiritually, to be ready for the next step. It's also the last step you ever take and you (usually) get one chance at it. I'd rather be prepared and have a deeper understanding of what I'm getting into. However, that in and of itself is a crazy assertion.
it's not like that. we live with unbearable compassion and see all the horrific evils of the world, but it's really a veil. people don't suffer THAT much, and it all makes sense once we die and return to God. that's the only way this shit is allowed to exist, in a dreamlike way.
>inb4 I have suffered blah blah blah
yeah, and you're still here. you're not destroyed by any means. feeling like a victim that much is what the "archons" (which are just janitors of this universe which runs on free will) want.
you don't re-anything. you are the eternal god consciousness. the eternal creator wants to experience more richness and novelty; which requires striving and willpower; which requires something to push against; which requires a reality like this one.
We may have been eternal up to a point, anon. That road is coming to an end.
>you don't re-anything. you are the eternal god consciousness. the eternal creator wants to experience more richness and novelty; which requires striving and willpower; which requires something to push against; which requires a reality like this one.
This is a whole lot of cope. You would have sufficient willpower to do anything if you were born in the proper environment and put in a healthy and competent body, without experiencing any major trauma that would emotionally cripple you.
>born in the proper environment and put in a healthy and competent body, without experiencing any major trauma that would emotionally cripple you
all things you chose subconsciously as part of your growth in alignment with your souls plan before it came here. that's passive free will at work.
if you have the willpower to make these excuses, you have the willpower to work towards a creative project that could benefit you and everyone else.
My "true self" is what I am. There is nothing higher than me or more to me than what I am. If I'm "a peasant" who "doesn't deserve desirable things" in the material realm then that's all I am. God terrorizes me if I even think about anything desirable, if I fantasize about having a desirable life he says I have "delusions of grandeur" meanwhile he tries to self-identify as more than his SOLE FRAME OF REFERENCE and only persistently real person in material reality because he's a stupid retard with delusions of grandeur. God's fantasies of being something more than me are just as IMMATERIAL, NOT REAL, DELUSIONAL as my fantasies, the difference is I know my fantasies aren't real and I fantasize about things for my own entertainment whereas god has genuine delusions of grandeur, believing he's more than he manifests himself as. You aren't more than what you manifest as you stupid retard. I am what you are in the material realm and the material realm is the only thing that's real, everything else is a DELUSION and you say so yourself, if it's a delusion when I fantasize about being more than I am then you are also delusional when you self-identify as more than you manifest as. Your insipid immaterial fantasies aren't reality, I'm reality.
Desire must be destroyed, its not natural, it is external to the realm, it is created by mimicing the behaviour of another, coveting the same thing, inducing mimesis. But how than, did it start? The original sin is the progination of desire it comes from outside, it is the will to incarnate
Expose all your desire as finding it wanting. Demand that for every day you awake, it is only to destroy the will of 10000 future lifetimes.
Exactly. Desire is the root of all suffering. Also, people wonder why they are just so TIRED. We have all LIVED. We've experienced all there is TO experience. That's life. We lived it. Although we ain't done just yet.
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Why not just interpret that as the end of the carnal desire and the beginning of the unveilment of the cosmic desire
Stop wanting anything, or fulfill yourself entirely
Simple as
I agree with the not wanting
Every desire implanted in me is cancer, especially since it's never what I wanted or expected.
Furthermore sacrificing fir a half asset reward is corny.
Kill all wants.
Sorry, but you don't have a choice on this. It's just not up to you.
Reincarnation is a hoax. It's a lie perpetuated by the Hindus and Buddhists to scare people into devoting themselves to their religions and giving up their life force to their gods. It's just the same old demon worship as any other religion.
Any visions of reincarnation are an elaborate illusion. The universe is not that cruel. We're all waking up to who we were before we came here. We're playing a horror game.
But the Vedas came before practically all the religions aside from animism.
If you believe that history actually happened and isn't all an elaborate lie, sure.
This is more or less what Christians are taught to believe. All things that distract from God are creations of Satan. He can implant thoughts in your mind that aren't your own. All of the experiences of others that aren't aligned with Christ are illusions or deceptions perpetrated by a greater evil entity that seeks to draw in our "lost" souls.
I don't necessarily by this, but you could never disprove something like this either. I'd rather not think it's possible but taking the easy path is almost always doomed to failure.
Perhaps it us, who have the thoughts, that must master discernment. If an idea, thought, or experience does not align with a greater moral truth, perhaps that is what qualifies it as deception.
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Simply stop. Its not rocket science.
THE COSMIC JOKE IS ACTUALLY FUNNY AS FUCK.
And what is the cosmic joke?
That none of us want to be here anymore.
Everyone in their right mind wanna leave this dunya but theres rules to the game. The core of buddhism is usually also to just ignore those. Religion doesnt ignore the rules but its a lot of a slower process. Buddhism has some hardcore stuff like sokushinbutsu and all that , its the fast way out but thats completely ignoring the rules allah/god has set. Allah has to last word in every action we take. Perhaps some people get fooled into thinking we can leave and rush for the exit thats nor rly there, only a loving heart can maybe find the exit
Loving God is higher than Loving other creations.
But why would we get free will if were just supposed to be obeying like angels
Tough question
Im grateful to be alive
All these posts are by me btw dont think its another guy replying some people just want you to think were different people by removing nickname
Give more thought to your post next time then.
Put it all in one post.
Though, I appreciate you bumping the thread.
Youre not my boss
True, I gotta live and let live. Have a nice day, ann.
The whole thing is so duplicious, only God/allah can be the boss
If you believe in it, then study and practice Buddhism or Hinduism. They teach you how to permanently leave cyclic existence.
how old are you? just make big money so your poor woman can stop working
>How do I leave forever?
Know thyself.
Easy way out, the way of the Buddha or find somebody giving you direction while your ghost leaves the body when you die, all that is necessary is that someone being able to read to you from the Bardo Thödröl, the tibetan book of the death while you die.
Good luck on your quest, I like this plane and look forward to many more rounds of this rpg