I don't understand why some trans people (especially trans men) think like this, I watched this video, and the person in it is a FtM, and they are talking about how the phrase 'trans men are men' has ruined some peoples view of FtMs,
this person says that it invalidates the experiences and validity of 'gnc trans men' or 'lesbian trans men' or 'non binary trans men', this person says that its ok for a trans man to not be the same as a cis man. I really don't understand this way of thinking,
the comments are flooded with mostly trans men talking about how they feel uncomfortable that peoples view of trans men is identical to cis women, because they want to wear dresses, and makeup and etc, I don't understand,
I don't want to stir hate but, why is it mostly FtM's that say this stuff? How often have you seen a trans woman lament over not being able to wear all of her old clothes that made her shoulders look so wide and masculine, or a trans woman wishing she had a beard.
https://www.tiktok.com/@silly.pretty.boy/video/7277690252276370730
Trans men mostly don't exist in the same way trans women do, they just want attention
trans women don't exist, they are just homosexuals who want attention
Of course trans women want attention, we are women after all.
lol which is why we end up getting attention, even bad, and nobody knows trans men exists because trans men dont understand that men are invincible. Nobody cares about them unless they are chad. Its also why they detransition. They aren't used to not being the center of attention.
this is why being a male (ftm) autist is peak
you just dont care
retarded narrative. only severely autistic people who can't even wipe their ass don't care about social barriers. those who can function at least a little bit are affected by the social difficulties because they need it to get by day to day and don't have a caretaker to handle the things they cannot manage.
because 80% of ftms are tumblrite uwu softboi gaydens and i loathe it
t. ftm
before I was out as MtF i dated a “trans” “man” that presented fem in every way and called himself femboy and treated me like shit and then cried like all hell when I dumped his ass. I do thank him for being the breaking point and never touching any FtM ever again
while i personally dont veliev afab dysphoria isnt real, being on the internet long enough has convinced me that it not only is it different from amab dysphoria, its also way less serious and damaging than it. ftm dysphoria is just a mild discomfort while mtf dysphoria legitimately causes brain damage, especially to those who transition after 20. most ftms can effectively live as butches on testosterone or straight women with short hair and no boobs and be happy while mtfs will suffer extremely for not passing, and those who pass will still suffer, just not as much as nonpasser, but seemingly way more than how ftms suffer
>afab dysphoria isnt real
please interact with actual ftms and not gaydens
try getting some reading comprehension before responding to my post. i dont argue with retards who still dont know how to read, sorry! 🙂
youre a retard, please interact with actual ftms and not gaydens
most straight ftms are fine with just being openly trans and being seen as hust butches on t with no tits to get lesbian pussy and not be treated with the same harsh standards of masculinity cis men are held
not a ftm
theyre just lesbians on roids
just as cringe as transbians
ok then only like 1% of ftms are "true ftms" then
just like transwomen
lol sure little pooner
literally 90% of transwomen i see are either rapehons, manmoders, or agp freaks
the entire trans "community" has a massive image issue due to troons and poons who should not troon
Nobody said being trans is common, that’s absolutely possible
Yeah no shit dawg
> being on the internet long enough has convinced me that it not only is it different from amab dysphoria, its also way less serious and damaging than it. ftm dysphoria is just a mild discomfort
It’s still retarded after rereading it.
they literally wrote the opposite of your quote you braindead retard.
stop being a histrionic fembrained bitch and read instead of instantly screeching and getting your panties, sorry, boxers, in a twist over literally nothing.
youre also retarded my god
if a ftm is fine as living as a woman without tits they are not a ftm, and are a gayden
how is this hard to comprehend
i don't care.
cutting this sentence
>while i personally dont veliev afab dysphoria isnt real
where veliev is clearly meant to be BELIEVE, as in THEY DONT BELIEVE AFAB DYSPHORIA ISN'T REAL (meaing they DO think it is real, double negative, very advanced linguistics for the braindead poon)
into this
>afab dysphoria isnt real
JUST so you can be intentionally obtuse, misinterpret it, and go get mad over it
is the most fembrained, attention seeking, histrionic bullshit i've read all week
you're a gayden yourself by acting like this, it's such a fucking woman thing to do, stop acting superior to the poons when you're acting like the pooniest reddit-tumblr poon that ever pooned
i hate women so much
nobody cares hon, go change your diaper
lol braindead gayden pooner mad coz she got called out for acting like a stereotypical attention seeking teenage girl.
don't you have some mean girls to watch or yaoi to read?
bdd hons will never cease to be funny
how can you be bdd and a hon at the same time
either you're a hon, as in genuinely ugly and therefore not bdd
or you're bdd and think you're a hon but you aren't and just have bdd
i thought people on test were supposed to be smarter, what happened, pooner?
>cant be bdd and a hon at the same time
lmao
lmao
lmao
please scroll through the catalogue sometime and stare at all the brickhons with rampant bdd and somehow also honfidence
its truly incredible
but then they don't have bdd since they're genuinely ugly, no?
they aren't seeing anything incorrectly, they're ugly and say as much.
if they aren't saying they're ugly, they don't have bdd.
like if they argue and show honfidence, claiming they are in fact beautiful, then they're just faking the bdd for attention, fishing for compliments.
either way theyre fucking deranged
this
i fucking despise women but even the most agp rapehon mtf generally does a good job at being hysteric
>either way theyre fucking deranged
i'm glad we found common ground at last
Nta, I don’t think the term “bdd hon” makes sense in a technical way, but I know what that anon means
There is a certain phenomenon of hons spamming their selfies over and over, asking if they look like men. Sometimes they are crying about how unpassable they are, and exaggerate to make it sound like they are monsters in dresses, Usually, they may not fully pass, but they don’t look as bad as that. Other times, despite being told over and over they don’t pass, they continue to post and still ask obtusely (as if in continued disbelief) about whether they pass.
Imagine if a cis girl asks you if she is pretty, and you say she is okay looking. And then she spams 1000 posts at you over the course of weeks, 500 of which are her crying that she is the ugliest woman alive, and another 500 of which are just the question “so am I pretty or not” over and over. This is deranged, she is neither of those things. 500 of the posts overplay how ugly she is, to the point that you wonder if she actually believes she is ugly, or if she is just resentful and seething, and playing it up for melodrama and attention. 500 of the posts show that underneath everything, she might still believe she is pretty, so she reacts with a resentful anger and repeatedly questions you as if you will change your answer and call her pretty.
This is likely what is meant by “bdd hon”. These MtFs don’t pass, but they display erratic, extreme and persistent behaviour, which fits both bdd stereotypes and hon stereotypes at the same time. They swing between seeing themselves as even uglier than they actually are, and seeing themselves as beauties who are passively aggressively questioning the board’s audience over and over. Mixed into all this is a desire for digital self harm, desire for constant attention, and extreme narcissistic fixation on their own selves
yeah basically this
t makes me retarded and work has drained my lifeforce so i couldnt be fucked to articulate well
Gaydens are realer than "straight FTMs", who are the majority of detransitioners among trans men.
Preach
Most of detransitioners are “queer”
A lot of this has to do with societal factors and pubertal severity, rather than inherent dysphoria severity. Butches are typically still treated better than effeminate boys, so they have less childhood trauma from it, and most butches on testosterone eventually attain the male-passing bodies they wish for. Societally, a butch on T can choose to stealth as cis male at work, but typically has more success in personal/sexual life by presenting as butch there. There is no direct amab equivalent to the butch identity. Effeminate boys are often beaten for it, and upon taking estrogen, they are expected to fully transition into women because there is no intermediate effeminate male identity. Flamers don’t really count, they don’t have the acceptance that butches have, not even subculturally since there are plenty of gay men who hate femmes. Once an amab takes hrt, the societal pressure against effeminate males is so great that the best chances they have against stigma is to fully live as a woman (unlike butches on T who can benefit from stealthing at work, but unstealthing in wlw spaces in personal life to get bi women). Unfortunately and ironically, it is usually harder for an mtf to pass as female than for an ftm to pass as male, many MtFs require FFS and not all of them can afford it
The reason that MtFs seem to “commit” more than butches on T, is because our current societal frameworks demand it. At the same time, the failure rate for commitment is tragically and ironically higher for MtFs, as male puberty tends to be stronger than female puberty
This like honestly was more shunned by everyonebin my femboy phase in highschool than after I transitioned openly and a bunch of people stopped caring except for some bullies who decided to 180 from you will never be a real man to you will always be a man.
>mtfs have stronger dysphoria
>mtfs are also more discriminated against
>mtfs also have a lower chance of passing
god i dont want to hear a pooner claim that they have it harder ever again lol
If you interact with irl trans people, you will hear that even most FtMs acknowledge MtFs have it harder. What annoys FtMs is this assertion that we don’t have lifelong physical dysphoria. Most of us do, but it is easier to deal with when it is the only/main thing we have to deal with. For most MtFs, their concerns, traumas, and baggage, lie beyond just the fact of whether their physical bodies pass in approximating the opposing sex.
And irl I always judge a person by themselves first, and any categories second. There are FtMs who became homeless teens because they were kicked out for being ftm, who grew up in abusive conservative families, who can’t manage to live as a butch on T because of severe social dysphoria, etc. What I said are trends and not absolutes
To summarize
, this is the list of things that MtFs typically face vs what FtMs face, even if they have the exact same level of physical body dysphoria:
MtFs:
>lifelong physical dysphoria
>beaten up for being a fag for years
>this trauma can lead to disorders like BPD which means they are crazy and unhappy no matter if they pass as women or however good their life actually is (the case for many mtf tripfags)
>their ultimate goal is compelled to be passing and stealthing, because there is little societal tolerance for effeminate males
>forced into boymode on hrt, until they can pass well enough to not look like an effeminate male
>boymoding for too long causes BDD and other psych damage, the inability to recognize that oneself already passes when you do
>it’s harder to pass to begin with
>even if you make it to passing and stealthing, you have to deal with the remnants of the BPD, the BDD, the loss of most/all of your pre-trans friends and family thus leaving you with little social support
>and the fact that stealthing just opens you up to potentially being hatecrimed by men entering a transphobic frenzy once the mtf discloses being trans
>without a womb, there is the constant fear that a man will leave for a cis woman in order to start a family
For FtMs in progressive areas, conversely only the following may be true:
>lifelong physical dysphoria
>present as a butch pre-trans anyway
>have a lesbian community to mingle in and a source of sex/romance
>go on T and if you don’t pass, people will just think you are butch as long as you shave
>take your time until you do pass on T
>continue to have access to the wlw community as a butch on T
>easier to pass than mtfs
Basically for some FtMs, it’s just a matter of aligning their bodies by using hormones. For most mtfs, it is a giant clusterfuck of socially stigmatizing factors
A lot of what you described for Mtfs is a consequence of patriarchy and male privilege, which btw Mtfs still benefit from as long as they're boymoding. Plus my family disowned me too soooo
t. Ftm
>male privilege
>which btw Mtfs still benefit from as long as they're boymoding
lol. lmao, even.
Sis, Your feminist theory is way of reality if you think that faggy whimps benefit from patriarchy.
Lol. Lmao really. Your “theory” of gender relations is all theory. We speak from experience.
Hence, shut the fuck up. Retard.
>BoYmOdErS HaVe PrIvilEgE aNd RuN SoCiEty
> Basically for some FtMs, it’s just a matter of aligning their bodies by using hormones
Which is impossible, most they can do is give us body hair and voice change.
No FtM can find themselves in lesbian communities, because they are for women. If you use women spaces, you are female not male. Don't even try to call yourself FtM if you interact with lesbian communities. Leave women alone.
where i lived i got beaten up, harassed constantly and spat on for being a masculine afab as a kid, even before i pooned or knew i was bi, it just got 10x worse when people found out i was, so did my other friend who also ended up being ftm, maybe it's more of a regional thing or is something that isn't really talked about, but many masculine afabs are treated like complete shit throughout their childhoods
i agree that mtfs do absolutely have it harder than ftms in general, but the sentiment that ftms never have to deal with any kind of childhood trauma or that all of us were "welcome" in butch/lesbian spaces, or even want to be in them, is horseshit
this
It feels like traumatised and severely dysphoric pooners are also quieter about it, so some anons on this board draw their conclusions about “the severity of mtf vs ftm dysphoria” from insufferable mtf tripfags making 3000 posts each having gigantic regular emotional breakdowns while spamming their face all over the board for attention, and the afab trenders making trender tiktoks.
this, fembrained mtfs and ftms are the issue
fembrained mtfs are retarded but bearable due to them fitting their gender role
fembrained ftms should rope
Tbhon only the malebrained mtfs are tolerable. Mtfs are only capable of being fembrained in the screeching BPDemon way, while the male brained ones are usually gentle, autistic nerds who are really passionate about warhammer and anime. I’d rather deal with a reddit transbian than a /tttt/roon who’s a sociopathic attention whore 100%
I like gentle autistic r/traa bi MtFs who don’t mind me being a pooner, because we can watch military history videos together and I dom them in the bedroom, as opposed to some /tttt/ bpdemon tripfag whose main hobby is taking benadryl while slicing her wrists in the bathtub and then posting about how she only wants men who are 6’4
Reddit transbians are the most hysteric and get offended by every grifter and cancel people daily
People who are mature and have good developed opinions leave the internet because they rightfully recognize it as a waste of time
checks out, i'm stealth and never bring up any of that unless it's relevant to the ongoing topic, there's no need to
They are usually “brain damaged” by social factors, some of which suggested by the other anon. I’m an ftm accused by my friends of being schizo, because I still think my voice barely changed from pre-T (it objectively dropped 40hz) and I still believe my body hasn’t changed at all despite me now being universally gendered male by strangers. I see my AA tits as being very obvious, and whenever I take a pic to prove this point, I end up arguing that the picture somehow downplays the size of the boobs.
My “brain damage” actually results from the fact that I live in a conservative country where changing legal sex is very difficult. And in the first place, it is advisable that I pass flawlessly before I even think of passing myself off as a guy. As a result, I have to butchmode indefinitely (butches are still accepted here), and spend all day being gendered female by coworkers (at the start of my job, my manager went around telling everyone I am female, and spent a few days having to remind everyone because people would slip up and gender me male). This results in my complete inability to see myself as passing even though I now do.
Things like that aren’t a result of inherent dysphoria, I can imagine my equivalent in a western country likely wouldn’t have this at all. Conversely, an mtf who boymodes indefinitely might suffer the same BDD effects as me.
women with short hair and no boobs and be happy
Ik no non passing ftm that's happy
Where did you get that from
Maybe you should meet actual trans men and not get all your information from online. Dysphoria has been nothing but extreme suffering for me personally. There are lots of gnc afab or "transmasc" people that have taken over the conversation and spaces, which is probably why you get a lot of "trutrans" ftms as thats the only real way actual dysphoric guys can push back and get away from these people.
The funny thing is that here in particular many mtfs seem to have little dysphoria, don’t care for female physiology, genitalia etc.
Yeah, self awareness isn't their strong point.
No, the difference between MtF and FtM is that FtM was hijacked my tumblrites who are now dragging us down into the ground. We barely existed in the 80s-00s and then randomly the amount of us spiked. Go on any "normal"-ish site hosting trans people, such as this or sanctioned suicide and see how many MtF you see compared to FtM. It's still usually a ratio of 70/30 (70 for MtF) like old statistics used to say.
You know what also is true? All these FtMs have debilitating dysphoria. The rest don't. Fucking hell.
Mtfs were also hijacked by touch starved incels who dont actually have dysphoria and just wanted attention and "for everyone to be nicer" and porn addicts
Yeah, I agree. It's luckily (most likely) not nearly as bad as with FtMs though it might be under reported since if you're MtF you really don't need to go through legal means for HRT.
i'm ftm and this is why i never interact with other ftms
anon ive literally tried to kill myself since childhood because i wasn't born male, didn't have a dick, had breasts/a uterus, etc. it is worse than mtf dysphoria could ever be, and i say this because most mtfs still act and look like men
Makeup and girly clothes are seen as more fun and have a lot more range than male fashion, overall feminine gender expression has a lot more leeway and variety than masculinity. If you’re fembrained going from enforced femininity to enforced masculinity is going to be uncomfortable and kind of painful. It's the main reason I """repress"""
I think what you are noticing is trans men struggling to adapt to male gender roles in society. Women are held to higher standards of appearance, but men are held to stricter standards of behavior and deportment. If a man has poor fashion sense or a dad bod, it's not considered the end of the world like it often is for a woman. At the same time, women have more freedom when it comes to certain self-expression things like clothes and stuff. If a woman wears pants or combat boots or is pushy and domineering in daily life, it's not seen as a big deal that erodes her womanhood. If a man wears a skirt or makeup or is more submissive and traditionally feminine in behavior, he is singled out. These ftms are just struggling to adapt to a new set of expectations in a similar way to trans women who get frustrated over
>How often have you seen a trans woman lament over not being able to wear all of her old clothes
I lost weight so now I wear my old guy clothes as "boyfriend cut" shit when I want baggy pants to match a tighter shirt or a loose hoodie to match skinny jeans lmao
fuck
>who get frustrated over
who get frustrated over the realization that their opinions aren't being taken seriously until they wear makeup (but only if they do it a certain way that doesn't necessarily reflect their personality). It's normal for women to express frustration over these things, and I think a lot of men would express frustration like these ftms do if the behavioral norms didn't demand that they never complain or show femininity.
Stop trying to find justification. They are not men if that's not a natural part of their behaviour/self expression. If they have to unlearn things than I have a surprise ; they are not men.
I've never seen a woman be rejected for "poor fashion sense"
and domineering
For this they are literally rejected (from relationships) by many straight men, these types of women tend to be hated by straight men, see men's dating podcasts. So your theory is wrong.
Hot take: afab "dysphoria" is just teen to early 20s girls having trouble coping with the immediate aftermath of puberty. Quite often, there is sexual assault trauma involved, and a pervy authority figure, and the "dysphoria" is really just an attempt to parley something stigmatizing and disempowering (the "victim status" of an SA survivor) into a kind of online camaraderie that is ostensibly free of stigma and victimhood
The way "trans men" vent online sounds strikingly similar to how SA victims used to vent online back when that was a more common thing to do, because it's the same thing with different words
hot take "amab dysphoria" is just teen to early 20s men getting off to the idea of a woman, and their pornsick brains warp this into their blah blah blah
im not continuing this because its stupid
realise how fucking retarded you sound
Neither of you are wrong. I’ve always felt ftms are anti-sexual women and mtf are hyper sexual men.
You never see a ftm transition into a fuckboy and you never see a mtf transition into a frigid wine aunt who knits
Seen more than one ftm turn into a horndog, and even more MtFs turn into nearly asexual shut-in gamers with low libido. As a pooner, I wear those cringey rapper-style cuban necklaces and overpriced streetwear and vans, and I have three bags of sex toys and kink equipment I use on my gf (the centerpiece being a textured strap-on with a hole at its base I can fuck, and a tube throughout connected to a syringe of fake cum).
#
>>You never see a ftm transition into a fuckboy
Only because we are rejected by most gay men and women, but we would if we could cause t makes you horny asf, I'm cooming more than ever before and buying used men's underwear and socks which I was never interested in before.
>tfw no ftm friend I could give my socks and undies to sniff
Because you can’t be a fuckboy without the fuckstick, and no a strap on doesn’t count. T
Well speaking as a trans woman with a beard, it’s because people have no true scotsman’d masculine trans women into their own small communities, and we basically make out sloppy style with each other all day and make fun of femmes for being prissy.
> I watched this video, and the person in it is a FtM
It's very obvious, you didn't have to specify
>Go on tiktok, the app for retards
>Surprised when people act retarded
ISHYGDDT
I felt disgusted by anything even mildly feminine for many years because of dysphoria, it was kind of a taboo to me. Wearing make up, feminine clothes, crossing my legs, etc. it was all forbidden stuff.
So now that I pass it kinda circled the whole way to agp transvestism, I get off on wearing heels and makeup and even get a thrill out of passing for a female on rare occasion. Idk why non-passing ftms do it, but that's why I do it.
I guess many ftms internalise the female upbringing that says you're disgusting if you're hairy and ugly like a man, so they want to be men but they can't accept that men are just not as pretty. That's when you get the ftms who detrans and complain about T making them ugly, like they didn't know what it does.
I think t makes ftms far uglier than cis men, I see attractive cis men everywhere and everyday. But most ftms look bizzare and very onions, like they have some kind of disease if they could actually be decently attractive as men all this would stop
Nah bad take. Most trans men on T are faaaaaar prettier and or handsome than cis men. They actually take care of their skin and shit.
Most pooners look like shit, they look like they're terminally ill you need to get out more and not just look at pics online with 1000000 filters
>prettier
That’s the exact opposite of what the goal is
True but u wanna be handsome not soi and ugly
Handsome isn’t pretty
It's because they lack masculine bone structure. I'm not sure if just testosterone during puberty can even help, like, even if they don't get broad hips won't they still have smaller more gracile bones?
Maybe human growth hormones could help them?
There are some rare exceptions, like that Iron Wolf guy.
>I'm not sure if just testosterone during puberty can even help
I think blockers probably can, so iou stop the closing of growth plates from female puberty then use testosterone at the right age and that would produce more effective physical masculinization compared to the case of someone who has already undergone female puberty.
but this should not be allowed for ftms anyway because we can't even trust adult-age pooners to not detrans and terf out, much less ones who haven't even undergone female puberty yet.
i don't get off to it, but i sort of feel the same, even though i'm a very masculine guy who passes well and i'm happy that way, so i'm confident with trying things like drag/genderfuck now
First of all, I do find the way that some trans men self infantilize absolutely infuriating, and as an mtf who almost fell to antifeminist radicalization, I just get so pissed off when I see them have such a hard time doing mental gymnastics to justify "all men" statements while trying not to throw themselves and other queers under the bus.
That being said, I do think there's a point to be made here that's not entirely wrong.
>this person says that its ok for a trans man to not be the same as a cis man
They just aren't, you see it right there. They're both men, but they have arrived at their manhood through drastically different experiences. I am a woman, but I am not and will never be a cis woman.
Cisnormative masculinity is really shitty in a lot of ways, and I don't think it's wrong if a trans man wants to try to reshape how masculinity is viewed to make it healthier. To say that a trans man cannot do that is to hold a double standard and declare his manhood as conditional.
I know my views on gender are a bit too radical for this board (and I'm over-radicalizing myself for simplicity here) so I doubt I'll get much agreement, but idk, I think there kind of is a point to be made.
As for why it's mostly trans men we see do this kind of thing, I'm not sure. Maybe because AFAB people are more culturally attuned to calling out issues of patriarchy and toxic masculinity. Maybe transmisogyny is such a more ingrained and violent aspect of being an AMAB in westernized developed countries that it leads to gnc men and mtfs being less open to directly trying to rock the boat.
just to add a little addendum
>you never see a trans woman wishing she had a beard.
I actually did know someone who identified as a trans woman and had a full beard and would complain that people would gender them male because of it lol.
I do think gender is in ways a performance and there is a certain point where rejecting the actions of gender kind of defeats your claim to it (which goes against my earlier statement about conditionality). I also think that there's just a big disconnect between the way words and identities are used between communities like this and like the ones the tiktoker is in.
We place our own validity on how we choose to define ourselves (which is normal), but that leads us to violently reject the identities of others whom we perceive to be undermining our own. A trans guy who says "Some trans men can be different from cis men if they want" doesn't really change the way the binary trans man interacts with and expresses masculinity,
ok i was gonna keep talking about something but i just totally lost my train of thought and dont really care anymore.
They have issue with the phrase "trans men are men" specifically, meaning they don't like being grouped in with men, they want to be their own thing. It feels like a cop out to me, they can be GNC men but it means confronting and dealing with that cisnormative masculinity pushback, same as for any GNC male. Wanting to be a special category so you don't have to deal with it to the point of possibly alienating binary trans men from men is silly. I dunno, it feels like if you're a man you need to work with that rather than backtracking your transition to feel more comfortable, and if you want to be separate from men then be an enby. Trans men are in a unique position where they avoided a lot of the toxic masculinity conditioning and could really challenge it, but they need to assert that they're properly men to do so.
Yeah, I think you're probably in the right here. My position mostly comes from trying to be as open to new ideas as I can, so even when I find certain identities or expressions silly I keep empathy for them in the way I hope that cis people can empathize with me. But I really just don't understand the identities people want to have where they say they are a thing and then just completely deny that the thing means anything at all. If they want to be a different thing from men, they shouldn't call themselves men. If they want to be men, then they need to accept that there is baggage associated with that identity and unpack it properly, just like with any other identity.
I dislike that the average normie's view of a trans woman is Jenner, or the one AGP rapehon they met in college. Half the time when I see a trans woman she isn't even trying to pass and basically acts like a total creep. I don't need to clarify because y'all know exactly what I mean.
So yeah there are pooners like the one you posted, but that doesn't mean it's all of them. I would bet a lot of trans guys are embarrassed by gaydens who basically just wanna be women on T.
Btw that dood in picrel looks hideous.
Trenders gonna trend, ain't nothing new or necessarily gendered just mock and bully them when you can and go about your day
Because they aren’t ftms, they’re women with munchausen's syndrome
>I don't understand
yes you do
>why is it mostly ftms
fucking guess, stop posting the same thread every day and giving these weirdos attention, real trans men are usually similar to real trans women, they are not vocal about being trans.
Misogyny: The Thread (LGBT Edition)
This entire thread is such a repfuel. I will never mutilate myself with T even more than my body's forcibly done so far due to my pcos.
>this person says that it invalidates the experiences and validity of 'gnc trans men' or 'lesbian trans men' or 'non binary trans men
yeah, no shit sherlock. besides gnc trans men (i think trans femboys are fine), the other two make no sense at all. these types of fuckers dont understand that words are meant to make sense and so their only argument is "it makes them feel invalid :("
I will litteraly never be able to have sex because I wasnt born with a penis and I first attempted suicide when I was 8 but sure, ftms don't experience dysphoria.
I spend most of the day every day wanting to kms and I have no interest in interacting with people and have no friends because I look like a disgusting midget titcow
hope you useless cunts all die
how come half of ftms look like slugs
they probably suffered from post-SA overeating (a lot of SA victims first try to get fat before deciding they're actually a trans man)
i'm a fat trans man who wasn't SA'd. i just love food to the point it makes me coom
If you are a FTM, you are a trans man
If you are MTF you are a trans woman
If you are AMAB and CIS you are a man
if you are AFAB and CIS you are a woman.
I don't understand the need to muddy language.