it takes about an hour to learn to read and write hangul
to understand what its saying takes longer though, but pronunciation is extremely straightforward, probably the easiest alphabet in the world.
it was designed in the 15th century when literacy in asia (china, japan, korea) was only like 10-15%, literacy in korea shot up to >80% in 1 generation, it was hundreds of years before china and japan achieved similar literacy rates as korea.
"tongue back shape" has no meaning.
In Japanese ka (火) means fire, ka (可) means "possible", ka (過) means "excess", and so on.
You write "ka" in hangul, it means absolutely nothing. It just marks a sound, it has no meaning.
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火 also means fire in korean, 可 means allowed, 過 means spilling oil, to leak something.
So I don't understand your argument. Do you seriously expect children to want to use these government signage glyphs?
2 weeks ago
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They don't have to use them.
I merely pointed out that if Japanese or Chinese switched to latin letters their written language would use a lot of information, while Koreans switching to it would have no such loss.
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Koreans would lose a lot, you can look at romanised korea for examples. they use ae eo and eu very commonly. that's not impacting the reading in German much but in Korean those vowels shouldn't be pronounced twice as long as normal. So their own alphabet suits them better.
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Languages that use latin letters use vowels differently. Look at French for example, so many silent sounds.
It's not a problem if they simply teach how to pronounce those combinations.
2 weeks ago
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not an argument. the letters merely represent DIAPHONEMES.
I wish linguistics was a science, but it's an art no better than other arts like origami or clay sculpture or slam poetry. sorry.
2 weeks ago
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yeah, people often use some mix of both romanizations (the old one sucks) and it's confusing
2 weeks ago
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It's really annoying because "eo" in my dialect is the shortest vowel. They shouldn't need TWO LETTERS omg yuck.
I guess "everyone has their own opinion" good luck the rest of you
2 weeks ago
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Sorry, I meant to write Japanese/Chinese would LOSE a lot of information
2 weeks ago
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Yes.... so? Alfabets luce infawmayshun wen u right them phoneetiquitelee. same shit different donkey. the alphabetic systems are simply more advanced.
3 weeks ago
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to support my argument that ear is more important than eye when it comes to language, please look into japanese computer imput methods.
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When japanese people talk to each other do they have to stop to wrtie down which "ka" they meant or do they just understand that something is permitted and not on fire?
And if they can do that then why can't they do it with reading?
I lead a group of lead miners.
2 weeks ago
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to, two, too
Homonyms are a bitch, aren't they?
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As far as I can tell spoken Japanese is somewhat crippled compared to written Japanese. You can talk about everyday things, but its more difficult to convey complex concepts or novel ideas.
>Sound is not meaning.
Yes, as it's a phonetic alphabet like Latin that makes actual sense
.. unlike Latin where the A is an upside-down cattle or sth. which was used like phonetically used hieroglyphs but made a cattle sound not in the language it was applied to and repurposed for a vowel when they were introduced into the writing-system.
.. which is why vowels are scattered randomly in the alphabet instead of being in a group at the start or end. (like in japanese)
The alphabet we use working does not mean it is logical .. if choosing based on logic we'd have base12 numbers and write in something similar to hangeul.
>Everything should be homogenized western crap because I say so
It's a giant fucking meme.
They are extremely proud of it as the "most logical writing system" because the characters are supposed to mimic the shape of the tongue while pronouncing. It's the ugliest most bugman thing I have ever heard of it. Peak soulless.
Soulless is having all languages use the same Roman alphabet everywhere and adding diacritics because Latin's relatively simple phonology can't convey all the sounds in complex languages like Vietnamese or even English (which has a monstrosity of an orthography in lieu of diacritics).
Vietnamese used to use Chunom (Chinese script) and they moved to Latin under "influence" but today they are free and neutral, anti-Latin in many cases. Yet they persist in using the alphabet. Alphabets are the superior method of lingustic communication.
Most Vietnamese can't read or write using Latin or pseudo-Chinese characters so it's a moot point. Destroying their honorable monarchy was the worst thing any jungle monkies did. They're 100x worse off than they were before.
vowels are intuitive and comprise half their alphabet. it used to be far more complex back when there were more jamo and hanja was a more common practice
It's a giant fucking meme.
They are extremely proud of it as the "most logical writing system" because the characters are supposed to mimic the shape of the tongue while pronouncing. It's the ugliest most bugman thing I have ever heard of it. Peak soulless.
Latin only fails English in one way: it can't tell apart "u" of put, from "u" of cut. But that's okay because everyone kinda has their own brain accent and then speaks the words normally. In Finland they call it puhua kirjakieltä, talking like a book.
no language ever thought this was normal. the alphabet is just as much as guide as chinese or japanese characters.
I don't know. I hate both kimchi and sauerkraut.
but cabbage really works in beirocks. So, I'm going with the Koran language is kinda sucky because there's no one to talk to with it but Koreans. While I had to learn German, French, Russian or Japanese for grad school.
>Koreans: Create alphabet and writing system based on ease and simplicity for all Korean peoples to learn. >Also Koreans: Tech Japanese how to write and 'gift' them with highly complex writing system.
I get why you're upset, koji-san.
it's literally a good alphabet, fuck off moon rune merchant
this, i need to find a korean hand writing teacher to teach me korean calligraphy so I can give my asiaticfu pretty notes.
it takes about an hour to learn to read and write hangul
to understand what its saying takes longer though, but pronunciation is extremely straightforward, probably the easiest alphabet in the world.
it was designed in the 15th century when literacy in asia (china, japan, korea) was only like 10-15%, literacy in korea shot up to >80% in 1 generation, it was hundreds of years before china and japan achieved similar literacy rates as korea.
Korean is just Americanized Japanese debate me.
i can tell it would be a waste of time to debate you
Yeah, you should probably only debate circumcised people.
I know bogans are professional shitposters but come on man.
Koreans: nani ka?
Japanese: that's japanese
Why can't they just use latin letters? Korean letters don't carry any inherent meaning like Chinese/Japanese ones do.
>Korean letters don't carry any inherent meaning
Sound is not meaning.
The inherent meaning is in the letters, if you can't understand that then you're not a real muslim.
"tongue back shape" has no meaning.
In Japanese ka (火) means fire, ka (可) means "possible", ka (過) means "excess", and so on.
You write "ka" in hangul, it means absolutely nothing. It just marks a sound, it has no meaning.
火 also means fire in korean, 可 means allowed, 過 means spilling oil, to leak something.
So I don't understand your argument. Do you seriously expect children to want to use these government signage glyphs?
They don't have to use them.
I merely pointed out that if Japanese or Chinese switched to latin letters their written language would use a lot of information, while Koreans switching to it would have no such loss.
Koreans would lose a lot, you can look at romanised korea for examples. they use ae eo and eu very commonly. that's not impacting the reading in German much but in Korean those vowels shouldn't be pronounced twice as long as normal. So their own alphabet suits them better.
Languages that use latin letters use vowels differently. Look at French for example, so many silent sounds.
It's not a problem if they simply teach how to pronounce those combinations.
not an argument. the letters merely represent DIAPHONEMES.
I wish linguistics was a science, but it's an art no better than other arts like origami or clay sculpture or slam poetry. sorry.
yeah, people often use some mix of both romanizations (the old one sucks) and it's confusing
It's really annoying because "eo" in my dialect is the shortest vowel. They shouldn't need TWO LETTERS omg yuck.
I guess "everyone has their own opinion" good luck the rest of you
Sorry, I meant to write Japanese/Chinese would LOSE a lot of information
Yes.... so? Alfabets luce infawmayshun wen u right them phoneetiquitelee. same shit different donkey. the alphabetic systems are simply more advanced.
to support my argument that ear is more important than eye when it comes to language, please look into japanese computer imput methods.
When japanese people talk to each other do they have to stop to wrtie down which "ka" they meant or do they just understand that something is permitted and not on fire?
And if they can do that then why can't they do it with reading?
I lead a group of lead miners.
to, two, too
Homonyms are a bitch, aren't they?
As far as I can tell spoken Japanese is somewhat crippled compared to written Japanese. You can talk about everyday things, but its more difficult to convey complex concepts or novel ideas.
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>Sound is not meaning.
Yes, as it's a phonetic alphabet like Latin that makes actual sense
.. unlike Latin where the A is an upside-down cattle or sth. which was used like phonetically used hieroglyphs but made a cattle sound not in the language it was applied to and repurposed for a vowel when they were introduced into the writing-system.
.. which is why vowels are scattered randomly in the alphabet instead of being in a group at the start or end. (like in japanese)
The alphabet we use working does not mean it is logical .. if choosing based on logic we'd have base12 numbers and write in something similar to hangeul.
>Everything should be homogenized western crap because I say so
Soulless is having all languages use the same Roman alphabet everywhere and adding diacritics because Latin's relatively simple phonology can't convey all the sounds in complex languages like Vietnamese or even English (which has a monstrosity of an orthography in lieu of diacritics).
If Latin alphabet isn't well-suited for fucking Vietnamese then maybe they shouldn't use it?
I sure as fuck don't go around writing Latin in Hangul.
Vietnamese used to use Chunom (Chinese script) and they moved to Latin under "influence" but today they are free and neutral, anti-Latin in many cases. Yet they persist in using the alphabet. Alphabets are the superior method of lingustic communication.
Most Vietnamese can't read or write using Latin or pseudo-Chinese characters so it's a moot point. Destroying their honorable monarchy was the worst thing any jungle monkies did. They're 100x worse off than they were before.
Never been to Bviet Namg detected.
Alphabets are gay and israeli. Logograms/ideograms are better because they convey ideas instead of semitic- i mean semantics
>logograms better
yeah for the authorities, but the layman wants to write in futhark
vowels are intuitive and comprise half their alphabet. it used to be far more complex back when there were more jamo and hanja was a more common practice
It's a very efficient writing system designed to fit their language like a glove
It's one of the few writing-systems that actually make some sense.
Basic idea is somewhat similar to visible-speech.
Meanwhile, Japan is using kindergarden versions of Chinese characters. Imagine not having your own writing system
They should have stolen some stupid alphabet and make it even more unnecessarily complicated like Japanese?
Japanese is an argot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cant_(language)
Makes sense
Hangul is great, Hiroshi. About the only good thing Koreans ever made.
It's a giant fucking meme.
They are extremely proud of it as the "most logical writing system" because the characters are supposed to mimic the shape of the tongue while pronouncing. It's the ugliest most bugman thing I have ever heard of it. Peak soulless.
They sound like Japanese people with American accents.
Latin alphabet is the best.
>Latin alphabet is the best.
wtf is going on with C, K and S?
That's English phonology. It's not fault of Latin alphabet.
Latin only fails English in one way: it can't tell apart "u" of put, from "u" of cut. But that's okay because everyone kinda has their own brain accent and then speaks the words normally. In Finland they call it puhua kirjakieltä, talking like a book.
no language ever thought this was normal. the alphabet is just as much as guide as chinese or japanese characters.
dear japs, translate this:
司寿
I don't know. I hate both kimchi and sauerkraut.
but cabbage really works in beirocks. So, I'm going with the Koran language is kinda sucky because there's no one to talk to with it but Koreans. While I had to learn German, French, Russian or Japanese for grad school.
Korean and Japanese writings are basically a discount version of Chinese characters.
only takes a few hours to learn unlike your shit
It's a great advantage to Koreans, I guess, since school only takes 2 hours out of their whole lives.
>Koreans: Create alphabet and writing system based on ease and simplicity for all Korean peoples to learn.
>Also Koreans: Tech Japanese how to write and 'gift' them with highly complex writing system.
I get why you're upset, koji-san.
It is only "weird" in that it is the most modern widely accepted, strictly logical writing system.
It was designed specifically for that purpose.
Do the circles intimidate you? Instead of them being all square boxes?