I don't know why it's so controversial to assume that after x amount of failed attempts to convince a woman to like you back, it's because you're undesirable to women. Show me where the logic goes awry in that train of reasoning
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I don't know why it's so controversial to assume that after x amount of failed attempts to convince a woman to like you back, it's because you're undesirable to women. Show me where the logic goes awry in that train of reasoning
This is logical. I can only be strung along for a bit before giving up.
Why do you feel the need to debate this if youre already set in your belief, i.e. why post this
Because as you can clearly read it's about the controversy of the subject not the subject
two things
1. not all women are the same, obviously, despite what angry incels will claim. they want different things. it could be you're simply looking in the wrong places for a woman that would desire you.
2. its more likely your undesireability is something within your power to change rather than not, and so you can become desirable to women with some effort that will improve your life anyways.
Why is everyone who doesn't share the same level of cope a so-called angry incel
Okay, it's just nice to hear someone admit the distinction between "truecel" and "volcel"
believing that half the world's population aren't robots that all follow the same directive isn't "cope", its a basic fact of life that incels reject
So you're saying polls aren't accurate, because you can never find a good enough sample size to get an understanding on what a population wants? Obviously we can ask as many women as they can, but once I start posting pictures of women and their standards, you tell me I'm cherry picking. Or how "work on your personality bro" is bullshit because Chad with the personality bio of "I like killing and eating children" is still beloved by women.
The standards myth is bullshit because you can find ugly guys who have loving girlfriends or wives
women in this country are evenly split on the fricking conservative-liberal spectrum, which requires huge differences in personality, worldview, and basic beliefs.
to think all women somehow think and act the same requires such extreme levels of reality denial that only incel shutins can manage to do so.
Maybe it's not the same political beliefs or spiritual beliefs but when it comes to common ground they share as a gender, such as feminist issues, it doesn't surprise me that most take the feminist angle because they're women.
So, consider the same logic, they all have female human reproductive systems. Their mate selection is probably going to have similarities even if they have superficial differences. And therefore when they make lists of their standards, the standards end up looking pretty similar.
Past experiences move everyone forward, I'm not a time traveler. We're both speaking to each other and existing at the same time moron.
When you go through the experience of being undesired by someone, then another, then another, and then another, et cetera, perhaps you'll know what it's like to be undesirable.
>when you go
I did. And it made me improve, not sulk. You are still in your instinct phase, devoid of all logic. You should enjoy socializing in and of itself. Rejections are temporary.
How have you improved?
>phase
You're literally on a yak butter forum making baitposts, you are in this boat too
>how
Ive been in a relationship for a long time now. If you want me to get in an argument with you over how much better and smarter you are than anyone here that could even think of disagreeing with your emotions, i pass bro.
>when I ask women out I got rejected, so I improved instead of sulked like you
>how did you improve
>well, the next time I simply wasn't rejected
Let's say two objects are "somewhat red" and "very red"
Are both of the objects red?
Therefore the majorty of women are, indeed, feminists. That was the point I was making.
>Im somewhat moronic
Do you have any logical arguments?
Not any you seem capable of handling it appears
And the end my point is still going to be the same that I started the thread with.
and in the end your point is still going to be wrong just as it was proven so at the start.
you're free to give up, but stop blaming society for your problems.
I said women probably share similar dating preferences on account of being women and you accused me of saying that all women are the same
>as it was proven wrong
Oh, please, go and quote yourself
The past rejections were demonstrations of my desirability as a partner, where they not?
>past were demonstrations
Each interaction is independent from a logical perspective. Your goal is to increase the probability of success because you want success. The OP post just assumes a probability of zero from a small sample size of failures. Its lit
>probability of success
So would you agree that the probability of success is LOW, but perhaps not literally zero, if every approach in the past ended in failure?
>each interaction was independant from the logical conclusion you drew from them
I don't know about that one.
I agree that the conclusion should be to increase the probability of success. If the conclusion is to believe that its zero, and the outcome is that you do not increase the probability, then the conclusion is illogical and based only in emotions. A simple model to draw reference from is a childs temper tantrum. The way they quickly escalate the severity of their situation is the furthest thing from logical reasoning there is.
>data shows 2+2=4
>I agree that the conclusion should be to increase the probability of 2+2 equalling 5
you are delusional
>doesnt understand how probability works
>stupid cognitive dissonance emotional argument ensues
Nice! I can understand why you have been rejected frequently now.
>cognitive dissonance
you don't know what those words mean
low aptitude for pattern recognition is a sign of low IQ
The pattern is that men have relationships with women. To assume you are special because you had an emotional response to a few rejections is low IQ at the very best. I will give you one chance to explain what you think probability means.
Hint: its not an addition expression.
>The pattern is that men have relationships with women
So now all men are the same? You're spinning your tires.
>emotional emotional emotional
mmm hmm
>the same
This was not an answer that adequately explains what probability means. You are stuck in cognitive dissonance mode. Bye!
WAIT!!! REDDITOR SENPAI COME BACK, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR FAVORITE BOARD IS, WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?
Hey, don't use such negative language. 0.00012% is higher than zero
The only similarity they share is dating men, because the majority of women are heterosexual.
You're an angry volcel, so fortunately this works in your favor.
Why are you saying the majority of women are heterosexual? Women are individuals, in fact they are politically split down the middle from republican to democrat. You are lying and saying an untrue stateement. Individuals are not the same.
a swing and a miss bud, all you did was try to post the sarcastic opposite of where i correctly predicted you would move the goalposts to
logic is not your strong suit
Didn't read. Save your misogyny for someone who gives a rat's
no more (You)s for you whiny volcel
guarantee you're under 25 and have spent so much time here you've made being an incel your identity even though you aren't one
When the post count increases it still lights up my thread watcher, so it is in effect, a (You)
And yes I am under 25, I have been rejected by enough of my female peers to reasonably believe that I might serve them fine as a friend but they aren't motivated to propogate my genetic material.
But it is nice to have someone in your corner saying "yes you do have sex appeal! You permarejected virgin!" Even when I know better than to believe you, I will admit to that.
its almost tragic watching stupid kids like you come here because you had a rough time in high school and gladly choke down all the fox and grapes incel propaganda
children under 30 have no business being here and toddlers under 25 have absolutely zero business being here. frick off and go touch grass idiot, you havent even finished developing your brain yet
npc can't imagine humans, so they assume they're all tied to a "home board" and agree with every opinion that gets the most posts
p.s. i didn't accuse you of being intolerant, i accused you of being a moron
>npc can't imagine humans, so they assume they're all tied to a "home board" and agree with every opinion that gets the most posts
read this back
does this really scan as the words of someone who is not floundering and seething, mr. politically incorrect woman defender?
uh oh, looks like your language parser program is malfunctioning. better report to your local repair bay for recalibration.
Shouldn't you be on /misc/ discussing how the npc meme is problematic and dehumanizing and it's unfair to treat anyone as a group because we're like, all individuals man
>ERROR CODE 345: ARGUMENT LOST
>INITIATE SNARKY RESPONSE
>LOG OFF AND RETURN TO REPAIR CENTER FOR RECALIBRATION IMMEDIATELY
You wound me, updoot kun
>children under 30
Oh please. An adult is an adult. Thanks for cintributing to my thread and notifying me of your posts, by the way. Suddenly my own experiences are propoganda. I say your contrarianism is a propoganda you're trying to convince yourself with. Maybe if you believe it hard enough, a fish will fly out of the ocean into the clouds. Happy mental projection.
an adult is indeed an adult. and you are not an adult. you are a mental toddler trying to fit your own experiences into the mold incels convinced you was reality, because you've already built your personality around being here and can't bear to leave even though you never belonged here and likely never will
>officer please I am a mental toddler, some petty guy online said so
>you wouldn't arrest a baby for grabbing onto someone's breasts right? Even if he couldn't get anyone to give him some? How can you be so cruel officer???
If not a single woman has been interested in me then it's pretty safe to assume I'm undesirable to women. That is not a mental mold, that is just my observation. If you'd like, I can demonstrate by asking another woman out.
The guys a pseudo-intellectual and likely underageb&. If not he's trolling. Either way it's dumb to waste your time continuing to reply.
please, keep backpedaling. because the end of your argument is going to be "don't the majority of women have a vegana? therefore, they're all the same"
feminist issues? they don't even agree on abortion or women in the workforce. you're backpedaling as hard as possible now because you know you're losing ground. just stop, moron.
women are more like each other than men in the same way mammals are more like each other than reptiles.its true, but a pretty disingenuous way to present the vast amount of variety in both those categories.
How am I backpedaling?
I pointed that out as an example because they literally do agree on it.
>split nearly 50/50 among age groups
>"no dude they're all the same"
its funny you started off this thread trying to be logical because its clear you lack all logic
>less than 20% are like that
Ouch
>but a pretty disingenuous way to present the vast amount of variety in both those categories
It's not meant to present variety. Personality psychology is its own sub field. All humans can be measured on the "big 5" personality scale, and there are things on that scale overwhelmingly shared by all women. There are also things overwhelmingly shared by men, but not women.
Haven't read this paper but I know you are reddit and are going to complain about sourcing
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/
There are 16 different types of people. Look it up
mbti is astrology for men sorry you had to find out like this
It's not mtbi homosexual. Learn your psychology. Big 5 replaced it because mbti is shit and unreliable
right, its the new astrology for men because mbti despite becoming the personality grounding for millions of desperate men was proven too much of a sham to continue
just like big 5 will be
Not that same anon, but women and men are temperamentally different on average, and are demonstrably so. Women are more like each other than they are like men, and vice versa. You're right that you cannot tell someone's personality by their genitals, and so everyone should be treated as an individual, since that is the only true antidote to bigotry. But still I'm just trying to say your argument is shit and you should reformulate it
>women in this country are evenly split on the fricking conservative-liberal spectrum, which requires huge differences in personality, worldview, and basic beliefs
you are genuinely mentally moronic
>NAWALT
Not
All
Woman
Are
Like
That
>two things
>1. not all women are the
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opinion discarded
NPC response, you are incapable of understanding humans
>humans
redditors aren't human
another NPC response following the generic NSFFW-bot 2.0 template blaming reddit for everything
>blaming reddit
except I'm not wrong about where you came from, am I Black person?
you are wrong but your NPC programming cannot handle that response so you will loop around to accusing me of lying
>you are wrong
and you would have already mentioned your home board if you weren't a tourist homosexual, but you can't, cuz you are
also NPC is a boomer meme redditors sussun amogus rn frfr
>home board
one of the clearest marks of speaking to an NPC, they have a designated home board in their programming which gives them a database from which to draw generic responses from
you literally do not know enough about this site to pretend you use a single hobby board here, do you?
humans have multiple hobbies, NPCs have a designated home board
>humans have multiple hobbies
supports my conclusion that you are a subhuman leddit tourist seeing as you don't have any of those
looks like i've triggered the loop function because your dialogue tree reached an unexpected case
name a single other board that you browse then
NSFFW NSFFW /misc/ /tg/ NSFFW NSFFW /vg/ NSFFW NSFFW /h/ /s/
>inb4 the npc, failing to understand, returns to its generic response and calls them all "reddit boards"
>/pol/
>WIMMEN ARE VERY DIVERSE QUIT BEING INTOLERANT
sure buddy
who are you trying to convince, nignog
you literally dont have to look any further than kpop stans to figure out women arent all attracted to the same thing
>girls like rich and pretty pop stars
This doesn't debunk me. I'm still bunked.
>femboy twinks
vs.
>tyler chaddington from the football squad
or are you just pointing out the obvious "humans like people they find attractive" as some sort of profound philosophy for your 14 year old mind
>ummm women are actually attracted to a very broad spectrum of physically attractive chads sweaty
2022 /misc/tards hit different
The trends are clear as day, and a handful of rich famous guys don't buck the trend even if their asian.
>tall, handsome, rich, famous
vs.
>tall, handsome, rich, famous
Tom Brady, Zhang Brady, that's the way I see it. Account for racism and cultural upbringing, and it's the same outcome.
I'm pretty sure my expressions are neutral, but damn if this isn't an unwitting admittance of lookism. You mean women make split second judgements based on the appearance of my face? Go figure, that's what I've always said.
It was dumb to create this thread but I have nothing to do with my time other than wait to go back to uni, it beeps every time anyone replies. I was trying to explain this to him why his petty little (You) thing didn't matter to me
>You mean women make split second judgements based on the appearance of my face?
They do it subconsciously, as fast as a blink bro.. You could really benefit from looksmaxxing. don't mouth breath, chew mastic gum, mew.
t. former uggo
Can't afford plastic surgery and I don't have a problem with my chin or my jaw. I really doubt it's a matter of the difference between 18-20% bodyfat and 15-17% bodyfat, but I can lose a few pounds just for demonstrative purposes.
The problem lies more in the shape of my eye orbits and my nose, and some slight assymetry and I'm not very tall.
I'm also short, but I femboymaxx and can get genuine smiles and hair flicks 8 times out of 10.
Trust me, quick look over, it is 95% jaw issue. If you work on it, you can achieve chad-lite. Mewing will also correct your eyes and nose, I used to have a pretty fricked up big nose in proportion to the rest of my face.
It must not have been apparent enough, I'll say it bluntly---I'm not a male model
You can be, have faith in yourself brother. I'm rooting for you.
There are absolutely true incels out there, but literally 90%+ of the people I've seen claiming to be incel are actually volcel as frick, they just get into the incel culture and make excuses as to why it's not worth bettering yourself. If you're experiencing that response from people it's probably because you're not actually incel, but you're too much of a homosexual to listen to people's encouragement. Post face and body and then we'll see.
I'm at the point where I'm doing jaw exercises and chewing gum 100% of the time in hopes that I don't have to resort to surgery.
The logic assumes there is a logical number of failed attempts to draw that conclusion. Between attempts, you are no longer the same person just by virtue of time, and you are generally not dealing with the same person who could be a potential partner. Sometimes persistence pays off with an individual, but most of the time we know that success comes with experience and skill.
If everything about you is undesirable and you wish to never change that, its not a failure by definition because you arent even trying.
>you are no longer the same person by virtue of time?
You posted that a minute ago. Are you no longer the same person who replied to me?
Nope. My mood has changed slightly. One thing that does seem to be interesting is that many incels are focused on the past instead of the present.
Then why are you replying to a misquote? You basically don't even exist. Maybe that's why you're arguing against solid logic, you have no past experiece to draw from
>the standards myth
Past experiences moves me forward, not backward. Someone who thinks they are undesirable is creating undesirable outcomes, not from logic but by instinct.
it could be anything
Thats illogical and only based on emotion. If you want a girlfriend, your past rejections have no effect on your desirability as a partner. You are using some self deprecating version of anchoring bias, and you already know that it logically fails. Did your dad have sex?
>bro who cares if this carabiner gave out the last dozen times someone tried to climb with it and sent several people plummeting to their death, its past failures have no effect on its desirability as climbing equipment
It's even before the attempts bro... It's all to do with the lack of the female gaze. If they look at you and look literally repulsed or sad, then you can be damn sure you look undesirable at that moment.
I think your eyes are the problem (assuming that's you). They're goofy as heck