I don't know why it's so controversial to assume that after x amount of failed attempts to convince a woman to like you back, it's beca...

I don't know why it's so controversial to assume that after x amount of failed attempts to convince a woman to like you back, it's because you're undesirable to women. Show me where the logic goes awry in that train of reasoning

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is logical. I can only be strung along for a bit before giving up.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you feel the need to debate this if youre already set in your belief, i.e. why post this

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because as you can clearly read it's about the controversy of the subject not the subject

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    two things
    1. not all women are the same, obviously, despite what angry incels will claim. they want different things. it could be you're simply looking in the wrong places for a woman that would desire you.
    2. its more likely your undesireability is something within your power to change rather than not, and so you can become desirable to women with some effort that will improve your life anyways.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why is everyone who doesn't share the same level of cope a so-called angry incel

      There are absolutely true incels out there, but literally 90%+ of the people I've seen claiming to be incel are actually volcel as frick, they just get into the incel culture and make excuses as to why it's not worth bettering yourself. If you're experiencing that response from people it's probably because you're not actually incel, but you're too much of a homosexual to listen to people's encouragement. Post face and body and then we'll see.

      Okay, it's just nice to hear someone admit the distinction between "truecel" and "volcel"

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        believing that half the world's population aren't robots that all follow the same directive isn't "cope", its a basic fact of life that incels reject

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          So you're saying polls aren't accurate, because you can never find a good enough sample size to get an understanding on what a population wants? Obviously we can ask as many women as they can, but once I start posting pictures of women and their standards, you tell me I'm cherry picking. Or how "work on your personality bro" is bullshit because Chad with the personality bio of "I like killing and eating children" is still beloved by women.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The standards myth is bullshit because you can find ugly guys who have loving girlfriends or wives

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            women in this country are evenly split on the fricking conservative-liberal spectrum, which requires huge differences in personality, worldview, and basic beliefs.
            to think all women somehow think and act the same requires such extreme levels of reality denial that only incel shutins can manage to do so.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe it's not the same political beliefs or spiritual beliefs but when it comes to common ground they share as a gender, such as feminist issues, it doesn't surprise me that most take the feminist angle because they're women.
            So, consider the same logic, they all have female human reproductive systems. Their mate selection is probably going to have similarities even if they have superficial differences. And therefore when they make lists of their standards, the standards end up looking pretty similar.

            Past experiences moves me forward, not backward. Someone who thinks they are undesirable is creating undesirable outcomes, not from logic but by instinct.

            Past experiences move everyone forward, I'm not a time traveler. We're both speaking to each other and existing at the same time moron.

            When you go through the experience of being undesired by someone, then another, then another, and then another, et cetera, perhaps you'll know what it's like to be undesirable.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >when you go
            I did. And it made me improve, not sulk. You are still in your instinct phase, devoid of all logic. You should enjoy socializing in and of itself. Rejections are temporary.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How have you improved?
            >phase
            You're literally on a yak butter forum making baitposts, you are in this boat too

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >how
            Ive been in a relationship for a long time now. If you want me to get in an argument with you over how much better and smarter you are than anyone here that could even think of disagreeing with your emotions, i pass bro.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >when I ask women out I got rejected, so I improved instead of sulked like you
            >how did you improve
            >well, the next time I simply wasn't rejected

            >split nearly 50/50 among age groups
            >"no dude they're all the same"
            its funny you started off this thread trying to be logical because its clear you lack all logic

            >less than 20% are like that
            Ouch

            Let's say two objects are "somewhat red" and "very red"
            Are both of the objects red?

            Therefore the majorty of women are, indeed, feminists. That was the point I was making.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Im somewhat moronic
            Do you have any logical arguments?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not any you seem capable of handling it appears

            please, keep backpedaling. because the end of your argument is going to be "don't the majority of women have a vegana? therefore, they're all the same"

            And the end my point is still going to be the same that I started the thread with.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            and in the end your point is still going to be wrong just as it was proven so at the start.
            you're free to give up, but stop blaming society for your problems.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I said women probably share similar dating preferences on account of being women and you accused me of saying that all women are the same
            >as it was proven wrong
            Oh, please, go and quote yourself

            Thats illogical and only based on emotion. If you want a girlfriend, your past rejections have no effect on your desirability as a partner. You are using some self deprecating version of anchoring bias, and you already know that it logically fails. Did your dad have sex?

            The past rejections were demonstrations of my desirability as a partner, where they not?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >past were demonstrations
            Each interaction is independent from a logical perspective. Your goal is to increase the probability of success because you want success. The OP post just assumes a probability of zero from a small sample size of failures. Its lit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >probability of success
            So would you agree that the probability of success is LOW, but perhaps not literally zero, if every approach in the past ended in failure?

            >each interaction was independant from the logical conclusion you drew from them
            I don't know about that one.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I agree that the conclusion should be to increase the probability of success. If the conclusion is to believe that its zero, and the outcome is that you do not increase the probability, then the conclusion is illogical and based only in emotions. A simple model to draw reference from is a childs temper tantrum. The way they quickly escalate the severity of their situation is the furthest thing from logical reasoning there is.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >data shows 2+2=4
            >I agree that the conclusion should be to increase the probability of 2+2 equalling 5
            you are delusional

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >doesnt understand how probability works
            >stupid cognitive dissonance emotional argument ensues
            Nice! I can understand why you have been rejected frequently now.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >cognitive dissonance
            you don't know what those words mean
            low aptitude for pattern recognition is a sign of low IQ

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The pattern is that men have relationships with women. To assume you are special because you had an emotional response to a few rejections is low IQ at the very best. I will give you one chance to explain what you think probability means.
            Hint: its not an addition expression.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The pattern is that men have relationships with women
            So now all men are the same? You're spinning your tires.
            >emotional emotional emotional
            mmm hmm

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the same
            This was not an answer that adequately explains what probability means. You are stuck in cognitive dissonance mode. Bye!

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            WAIT!!! REDDITOR SENPAI COME BACK, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR FAVORITE BOARD IS, WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hey, don't use such negative language. 0.00012% is higher than zero

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The only similarity they share is dating men, because the majority of women are heterosexual.
            You're an angry volcel, so fortunately this works in your favor.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you saying the majority of women are heterosexual? Women are individuals, in fact they are politically split down the middle from republican to democrat. You are lying and saying an untrue stateement. Individuals are not the same.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            a swing and a miss bud, all you did was try to post the sarcastic opposite of where i correctly predicted you would move the goalposts to
            logic is not your strong suit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't read. Save your misogyny for someone who gives a rat's

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            no more (You)s for you whiny volcel
            guarantee you're under 25 and have spent so much time here you've made being an incel your identity even though you aren't one

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            When the post count increases it still lights up my thread watcher, so it is in effect, a (You)
            And yes I am under 25, I have been rejected by enough of my female peers to reasonably believe that I might serve them fine as a friend but they aren't motivated to propogate my genetic material.
            But it is nice to have someone in your corner saying "yes you do have sex appeal! You permarejected virgin!" Even when I know better than to believe you, I will admit to that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            its almost tragic watching stupid kids like you come here because you had a rough time in high school and gladly choke down all the fox and grapes incel propaganda
            children under 30 have no business being here and toddlers under 25 have absolutely zero business being here. frick off and go touch grass idiot, you havent even finished developing your brain yet

            https://i.4cdn.orgNSFFW1658811585319125.gif

            >/pol/
            >WIMMEN ARE VERY DIVERSE QUIT BEING INTOLERANT
            sure buddy

            npc can't imagine humans, so they assume they're all tied to a "home board" and agree with every opinion that gets the most posts
            p.s. i didn't accuse you of being intolerant, i accused you of being a moron

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >npc can't imagine humans, so they assume they're all tied to a "home board" and agree with every opinion that gets the most posts
            read this back
            does this really scan as the words of someone who is not floundering and seething, mr. politically incorrect woman defender?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            uh oh, looks like your language parser program is malfunctioning. better report to your local repair bay for recalibration.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Shouldn't you be on /misc/ discussing how the npc meme is problematic and dehumanizing and it's unfair to treat anyone as a group because we're like, all individuals man

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >ERROR CODE 345: ARGUMENT LOST
            >INITIATE SNARKY RESPONSE
            >LOG OFF AND RETURN TO REPAIR CENTER FOR RECALIBRATION IMMEDIATELY

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You wound me, updoot kun

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >children under 30
            Oh please. An adult is an adult. Thanks for cintributing to my thread and notifying me of your posts, by the way. Suddenly my own experiences are propoganda. I say your contrarianism is a propoganda you're trying to convince yourself with. Maybe if you believe it hard enough, a fish will fly out of the ocean into the clouds. Happy mental projection.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            an adult is indeed an adult. and you are not an adult. you are a mental toddler trying to fit your own experiences into the mold incels convinced you was reality, because you've already built your personality around being here and can't bear to leave even though you never belonged here and likely never will

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >officer please I am a mental toddler, some petty guy online said so
            >you wouldn't arrest a baby for grabbing onto someone's breasts right? Even if he couldn't get anyone to give him some? How can you be so cruel officer???
            If not a single woman has been interested in me then it's pretty safe to assume I'm undesirable to women. That is not a mental mold, that is just my observation. If you'd like, I can demonstrate by asking another woman out.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The guys a pseudo-intellectual and likely underageb&. If not he's trolling. Either way it's dumb to waste your time continuing to reply.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            please, keep backpedaling. because the end of your argument is going to be "don't the majority of women have a vegana? therefore, they're all the same"

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            feminist issues? they don't even agree on abortion or women in the workforce. you're backpedaling as hard as possible now because you know you're losing ground. just stop, moron.

            Not that same anon, but women and men are temperamentally different on average, and are demonstrably so. Women are more like each other than they are like men, and vice versa. You're right that you cannot tell someone's personality by their genitals, and so everyone should be treated as an individual, since that is the only true antidote to bigotry. But still I'm just trying to say your argument is shit and you should reformulate it

            women are more like each other than men in the same way mammals are more like each other than reptiles.its true, but a pretty disingenuous way to present the vast amount of variety in both those categories.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How am I backpedaling?
            I pointed that out as an example because they literally do agree on it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >split nearly 50/50 among age groups
            >"no dude they're all the same"
            its funny you started off this thread trying to be logical because its clear you lack all logic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >less than 20% are like that
            Ouch

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >but a pretty disingenuous way to present the vast amount of variety in both those categories
            It's not meant to present variety. Personality psychology is its own sub field. All humans can be measured on the "big 5" personality scale, and there are things on that scale overwhelmingly shared by all women. There are also things overwhelmingly shared by men, but not women.
            Haven't read this paper but I know you are reddit and are going to complain about sourcing
            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3149680/

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There are 16 different types of people. Look it up

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            mbti is astrology for men sorry you had to find out like this

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's not mtbi homosexual. Learn your psychology. Big 5 replaced it because mbti is shit and unreliable

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            right, its the new astrology for men because mbti despite becoming the personality grounding for millions of desperate men was proven too much of a sham to continue
            just like big 5 will be

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not that same anon, but women and men are temperamentally different on average, and are demonstrably so. Women are more like each other than they are like men, and vice versa. You're right that you cannot tell someone's personality by their genitals, and so everyone should be treated as an individual, since that is the only true antidote to bigotry. But still I'm just trying to say your argument is shit and you should reformulate it

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >women in this country are evenly split on the fricking conservative-liberal spectrum, which requires huge differences in personality, worldview, and basic beliefs
            you are genuinely mentally moronic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >NAWALT
      Not
      All
      Woman
      Are
      Like
      That

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >two things
      >1. not all women are the
      dropped
      reddit detected
      opinion discarded

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        NPC response, you are incapable of understanding humans

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >humans
          redditors aren't human

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            another NPC response following the generic NSFFW-bot 2.0 template blaming reddit for everything

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >blaming reddit
            except I'm not wrong about where you came from, am I Black person?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            you are wrong but your NPC programming cannot handle that response so you will loop around to accusing me of lying

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >you are wrong
            and you would have already mentioned your home board if you weren't a tourist homosexual, but you can't, cuz you are
            also NPC is a boomer meme redditors sussun amogus rn frfr

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >home board
            one of the clearest marks of speaking to an NPC, they have a designated home board in their programming which gives them a database from which to draw generic responses from

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            you literally do not know enough about this site to pretend you use a single hobby board here, do you?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            humans have multiple hobbies, NPCs have a designated home board

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >humans have multiple hobbies
            supports my conclusion that you are a subhuman leddit tourist seeing as you don't have any of those

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            looks like i've triggered the loop function because your dialogue tree reached an unexpected case

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            name a single other board that you browse then

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            NSFFW NSFFW /misc/ /tg/ NSFFW NSFFW /vg/ NSFFW NSFFW /h/ /s/

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >inb4 the npc, failing to understand, returns to its generic response and calls them all "reddit boards"

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >/pol/
            >WIMMEN ARE VERY DIVERSE QUIT BEING INTOLERANT
            sure buddy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      who are you trying to convince, nignog

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you literally dont have to look any further than kpop stans to figure out women arent all attracted to the same thing

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >girls like rich and pretty pop stars
          This doesn't debunk me. I'm still bunked.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >femboy twinks
            vs.
            >tyler chaddington from the football squad
            or are you just pointing out the obvious "humans like people they find attractive" as some sort of profound philosophy for your 14 year old mind

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >ummm women are actually attracted to a very broad spectrum of physically attractive chads sweaty
            2022 /misc/tards hit different

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The trends are clear as day, and a handful of rich famous guys don't buck the trend even if their asian.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >tall, handsome, rich, famous
            vs.
            >tall, handsome, rich, famous
            Tom Brady, Zhang Brady, that's the way I see it. Account for racism and cultural upbringing, and it's the same outcome.

            It's even before the attempts bro... It's all to do with the lack of the female gaze. If they look at you and look literally repulsed or sad, then you can be damn sure you look undesirable at that moment.

            I'm pretty sure my expressions are neutral, but damn if this isn't an unwitting admittance of lookism. You mean women make split second judgements based on the appearance of my face? Go figure, that's what I've always said.

            The guys a pseudo-intellectual and likely underageb&. If not he's trolling. Either way it's dumb to waste your time continuing to reply.

            It was dumb to create this thread but I have nothing to do with my time other than wait to go back to uni, it beeps every time anyone replies. I was trying to explain this to him why his petty little (You) thing didn't matter to me

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >You mean women make split second judgements based on the appearance of my face?
            They do it subconsciously, as fast as a blink bro.. You could really benefit from looksmaxxing. don't mouth breath, chew mastic gum, mew.
            t. former uggo

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Can't afford plastic surgery and I don't have a problem with my chin or my jaw. I really doubt it's a matter of the difference between 18-20% bodyfat and 15-17% bodyfat, but I can lose a few pounds just for demonstrative purposes.

            The problem lies more in the shape of my eye orbits and my nose, and some slight assymetry and I'm not very tall.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm also short, but I femboymaxx and can get genuine smiles and hair flicks 8 times out of 10.
            Trust me, quick look over, it is 95% jaw issue. If you work on it, you can achieve chad-lite. Mewing will also correct your eyes and nose, I used to have a pretty fricked up big nose in proportion to the rest of my face.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It must not have been apparent enough, I'll say it bluntly---I'm not a male model

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You can be, have faith in yourself brother. I'm rooting for you.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There are absolutely true incels out there, but literally 90%+ of the people I've seen claiming to be incel are actually volcel as frick, they just get into the incel culture and make excuses as to why it's not worth bettering yourself. If you're experiencing that response from people it's probably because you're not actually incel, but you're too much of a homosexual to listen to people's encouragement. Post face and body and then we'll see.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm at the point where I'm doing jaw exercises and chewing gum 100% of the time in hopes that I don't have to resort to surgery.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The logic assumes there is a logical number of failed attempts to draw that conclusion. Between attempts, you are no longer the same person just by virtue of time, and you are generally not dealing with the same person who could be a potential partner. Sometimes persistence pays off with an individual, but most of the time we know that success comes with experience and skill.

    If everything about you is undesirable and you wish to never change that, its not a failure by definition because you arent even trying.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >you are no longer the same person by virtue of time?
      You posted that a minute ago. Are you no longer the same person who replied to me?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nope. My mood has changed slightly. One thing that does seem to be interesting is that many incels are focused on the past instead of the present.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Then why are you replying to a misquote? You basically don't even exist. Maybe that's why you're arguing against solid logic, you have no past experiece to draw from

          The standards myth is bullshit because you can find ugly guys who have loving girlfriends or wives

          >the standards myth

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Past experiences moves me forward, not backward. Someone who thinks they are undesirable is creating undesirable outcomes, not from logic but by instinct.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it could be anything

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Thats illogical and only based on emotion. If you want a girlfriend, your past rejections have no effect on your desirability as a partner. You are using some self deprecating version of anchoring bias, and you already know that it logically fails. Did your dad have sex?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >bro who cares if this carabiner gave out the last dozen times someone tried to climb with it and sent several people plummeting to their death, its past failures have no effect on its desirability as climbing equipment

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's even before the attempts bro... It's all to do with the lack of the female gaze. If they look at you and look literally repulsed or sad, then you can be damn sure you look undesirable at that moment.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I think your eyes are the problem (assuming that's you). They're goofy as heck

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