I don't know what he's talking about. I'm not white and I think Superman is the best of all heroes.

I don't know what he's talking about. I'm not white and I think Superman is the best of all heroes. As a matter of fact I identify with Clark Kent far more than Mr. Terrific or Black Panther or whoever. I don't even care about Steel as much as Superman. What the fuck?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >People cant identify anymore with people who does not have his skin color
    Fuck the media and comics, fuck miles and wannabes who want to replace the heroes
    The wrong here are the people who see only the skin color and not the values that hold the heroes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then why are people review-bombing Ms Marvel without even seeing the film, just because she's a non-white Muslim? Even though she's as much of a hero as any other Marvel/DC cape? Why can't they identify with her values?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Her values suck

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Faith, self-sacrifice, courage, patriotism and optimism suck? Would you be saying this if we were discussing, say, Captain America instead?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Can you show examples how each one of those words you used are Kamala Khan's values?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She wasn't made with good intentions. You can make a superhero who fights crime. Or you can make a superhero to attract a specific audience because the hero matches their race/religion/gender. Ms Marvel wasn't made to fight crime with the Avengers. She was made to auto fellate her creator

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >imfuckingplying Cap, Spidey and other heros weren't meant to be relatable as well
          Imagine moving the goalposts THIS much to prevent confessing you just don't like Muslims. I love Cap even though I'm not a white American, and I'm fine with Ms Marvel because she stands for the same things he does.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe the Martian isn’t the best guy to talk to on racial matters

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mars had two races. White and green.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which one were the bad guys again?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty racist of you to assume all white martians are evil, Bigot.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No just the ones we've seen. Including the sleeper agent Miss Martian

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But did Martian himself denounce white Martians as inherently 'evil' and/or 'inferior'?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is a comic from 2003 by the way. people complain about comics getting POZZED now? Like imagine being a black kid and reading this and you're just like... damn. Superman thinks I like black heroes more?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Try being Asian. The only Asian heros I can name off the top of my head are Shang Chi and Jubilee; practically all the other notable Asian characters are villains (e.g. The Mandarin, Silver Samurai).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What about Samurai Jack?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >voiced by a black guy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but I thought we were discussing COMIC heros. Cartoons are a bit better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        There's an asian hero in the Bat family now. Go read some manga if you want representation.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OK. Thanks for being honest about your lack of care for representation; I'd rather have that than endless evasion and weaselling.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Damien Wayne (he's half asian)
        Kato
        Katana
        Ryan Choi the Atom
        Cassandra Cain
        Tawky Tawny (Asian Tiger)
        I don't read much marvel anymore sorry.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Try being Asian. The only Asian heros I can name off the top of my head
        There are multiple entire subgenres devoted primarily to Asian superheroes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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      Superman inception is pozzed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bro... they literally introduced Steel and Superboy for the hip and black teens. And guess what? Where are they now?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Turns out if you market to 12% of the population you make 12% of the revenue.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The death of Superman and his legacy aftermath was extremely successful. DC tried so hard to make a movie after it to maximize profit but legal issues and creative differences with the director stop it from happening.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not really white Americans have tje Lowest in group preference in the country. They're more then willing to watch black lead media. Black Americans have much higher in group preference. You're really just expanding your profit by 12% in theory.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This encourages racial segregation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >discussing race promotes segregation
      In other news, discussing conflict promotes war, discussing world hunger promotes famines, and discussing wealth inequality promotes poverty. Makes sense!

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Color of membership obviously has to do with color. The artists and writers could make these characters any color they want. Their color is literally a creative choice being consciously made by (white) people.

    There aren't more characters of color in the Justice League because they weren't fucking created and put there.

    If color is arbitrary to the quality of the hero as a symbol, why isn't it being selected arbitrarily?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >People identify with, and create stories about, people like them
      Whoa...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >People identify with...people like them
        Yes, thank you, that's my point. And why MM is fucking wrong about color not mattering within this particular context
        >and create stories about
        And I'm glad we've established there's an intentional color bias to membership within the league.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Schuster and Siegel were Christian
          >Schuster and Siegel were aliens
          >Eastman and Laird are Teenage Mutants
          >Eastman and Laird are ninja turtles
          Hell I can go on but you'll probably say I'm playimg semantics.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Semantics? I don't even understand what you're trying to say so how could I argue you're saying it wrong.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Color/rave/sexual orientation doesn't matter. Experience does. And if you can empathize with a hero then that will build a connection far better than looking like him.
          Peter Parker gets evicted from his apartment after living from oaycheck to paycheck.
          Superman goes through marital strife and being a good parent.
          Batman constantly struggles between HIS mission and wanting to be part of society.
          Wolverine keeps people at arms length because he can hurt them.

          But how many people walk outside as a nonwhite or nonstraight and experience racism or sexism to the point where they have to make it their identity?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Color/race/sexual orientation doesn't matter. Experience does.
            Ah, yes, cause color/race/sexual orientation doesn't inform experience.

            >But how many people walk outside as a nonwhite or nonstraight and experience racism or sexism to the point where they have to make it their identity?
            >Peter Parker gets evicted from his apartment after living from oaycheck to paycheck.
            So to be clear, poor and a superhero is a compelling narrative about dealing with both real world and fantastical challenges while being given supernatural gifts.

            But a discriminated against minority and a superhero isn't? Those troubles are somehow something you don't want to see people be challenged by and survive?

            Poverty representation good. Minority representation bad. Spider-Man's identity isn't fucking poor. That's just part of his life experience. A relatable part of his life experience for a lot of people, as is being a fucking minority.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Color/rave/sexual orientation doesn't matter. Experience does. And if you can empathize with a hero then that will build a connection far better than looking like him.
              Peter Parker gets evicted from his apartment after living from oaycheck to paycheck.
              Superman goes through marital strife and being a good parent.
              Batman constantly struggles between HIS mission and wanting to be part of society.
              Wolverine keeps people at arms length because he can hurt them.

              But how many people walk outside as a nonwhite or nonstraight and experience racism or sexism to the point where they have to make it their identity?

              Also white is a race, you fuckwit. It's not the lack of race. You're acting like white/cis/male is some sort of default and assigning any other traits is just surface level fluff that draws attention away from the character's life experience. The actual fuck is wrong with you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When you're conditioned to see the white experience as normal and 'correct', you instinctively reject any other viewpoints as aberrations to this normalcy. Life is so much more complicated than that, and comics should reflect this. But of course, we'll still hear whinging about 'wokeism' and 'marginalisation' despite the virtual lack of any notable Muslim heros other than Marvel. Go on, name another.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know. Create some instead of randomly turning characters into different races. You think people cared when Nick Fury turned black? No because it was different universe. But then that became the standard for all Nick Fury's

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >instead of randomly turning characters into different races
        I wasn't calling for that? I wasn't calling for anything. I was pointing out a creative bias.
        >But then that became the standard for all Nick Fury's
        No Nick Fury turned black. Why are you mad at people creating characters of color?

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uh, sweetie, the problem is that y'all are an uncle Tom. You're full of internalized racism. You should go listen to rap, eat watermelons and burn some black owned business in your ghetto like a good african american leftist.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >I read capeshit to relate to the characters
    when did this homosexualry happen?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Since Superman stood for Truth, Justice and the American Way, AND posed as an ordinary US citizen working as a journalist?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This thread isn't about why people read comics. This is about the creative process and what writers think characters mean to readers.

      Obviously it would be fucking stupid to discuss why people read comics when they don't

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based super walrus poster

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Me neither. I'm white, and I don't like Superman at all, mostly because he's such a blatant gnomish power fantasy.

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