i am the ultimate beta male s-0-y boy
i literally feminized and chemically castrated myself bc im this much of a fag (started diy at 17)
i love being in the obeying role and feeling like im not in control
literally a fag bc i like men and even though i also like women all of the ones ive been with were sadists who got off on the fact that im a feminized male and treated me like a submissive girl
when i tried to man up and stop being like this i just got miserable and wanted to kill myself
i am literally the opposite of everything a man should be
why? seriously why am i like this? what possible reason would there be for god or evolution or whatever to allow someone like that to exist
probably some sort of childhood trauma, idk tho
i dont remember any gender related childhood trauma except like my parents scolding kid me for being too faggy and effeminate
idk, but don't be a feckless cumhole in every aspect of life. Like, get some qualifications and a decent income and shit, maybe learn an instrument.
i play the guitar and im in college (free in my country)
thats good
bet you will find some good husband that makes you happy some day
or wife
>sadistic wife that cant even dick you down or husband that will dominate you in bed and then turn cuddly and docile post nut
Why would a bottom fag want a wife?
the sadistic part is good and being a sadist does not mean they cant cuddle and be docile with you like the hypothetical husband
ive been with women who were really sadistic sexually and otherwise were nothing but sweet to me and i really loved it
i dont want to talk abt being dicked down on LULZ but thats not the only form to be dominated or to be a bottom
but a husband would be good too
like i said i like men and women
just bc something didnt happen to you it doesnt mean that it doesnt happen
its over i cant believe im stuck as a bitch bottom forever
actually terrified that 4 years from now im gonna be wearing a collar and meowing for someone i cant let that happen
LMAOOOO I LITERALLY DID THAT FOR HIM LAST NIGHT!!!! It is TERMINAL
please tell me im different and it wont happen to me
ive been degraded in a lot of ways by people before but that is too much pls i cant do that i cant meow for people thats really not gangsta
(ive barked for people but that was different and i only did that once)
It’s okie, you can settle for being a real gangsta’s little gaurd doggy! Sounds like you already know how to bark. I wonder what happens when one of those sadists puts you in a collar and tells you that you’re their new puppy…
i never worn a collar for anyone and i wont so idk what happens
he's going to buy you a collar and make you wear it, and you'll absolutely love it
i cant wear a collar i already dont have much dignity left i have to hold on to some of it
You on December 15th, 2023
3 months?? seriously?? that little???
where do you guys even find images like that like what?????
i dont want to believe id be that much of a bitch for that to happen
>i dont want to believe id be that much of a bitch for that to happen
and yet you're a submissive chemically castrated feminized little thing. Is being collared so much lower than taking pills that make you soft and weak and make your dick not work?
i guess you have a point on that... but being collared symbolically is such a shameful embarrassing thing being a weak feminized male makes it feel even more humiliating
i dont want to give in even further like im going to end up with no masculinity or pride at all
um thanks for calling me cute
>i dont want to give in even further like im going to end up with no masculinity or pride at all
what do you even need masculine pride for at this point?
do you think you're a man?
man is a strong word im a feminized male but i just dont want to let go of male pride bc it feels like i shouldnt even though i am already so far removed from masculinity
idk exactly why i still hold on to it and maybe i would be happier if i didnt but i dont want to let go
Its only in private, your top should protect your pride in public since you're his woman now.
iwnbaw
best i can do is hope to be treated like one
i want this but i wish i didnt why am i so conflicted my head is gonna explode
ofc i shave my body hair if i didnt that would be super gross
my hair is not long but its not really short its kinda like a wolf cut i used to have it way down my back but my parents made me cut it short some time ago
>get on chaturbate
gross.
>i want this but i wish i didnt why am i so conflicted my head is gonna explode
you wish you didn't because society has trained you to think there's value in you being masculine
but that's something you can beat
>but that's something you can beat
is it? doesnt really feel like it
was that supposed to be a test??? dude what
>is it? doesnt really feel like it
you just have to let it go. It's hard to do yourself, but easier when your bf collars and trains you
literally no straight cishet man puts a collar on his straight cishet gf. you troons are porn sick in the head. go touch grass, and go speak to a therapist
lol some cis women go out in public on a leash and eat out of a bowl on the floor
giwtwm
LOL you have no idea what you are talking about, collars are some of the most vanilla (and popular) sex accessories
look i dont have a bf but i am currently on a flirting situation w one the previously mentioned sadistic girls so
It sounds like you have some morals if you don’t wanna dance around for horny strangers online. Good job.
it's hard to let it go, you've been taught all your life not to let it go
but to have a man slowly pull all that masculine pride out of you until there's nothing left is the best feeling in the world
You’re so cute. This is why I say you’ll get adopted soon OP :*~~
actually i would never wear a collar and cat ears and a cat tail and drink milk out of a bowl on the ground and meowing that would be insanely humiliating nuh uh never doing that ever
It drinks the milk from the bowl or it gets the whip again
im not a cat im not into being a cat if i repeat this to myself enough itll come true
Put the fucking cat ears on and drink from the bowl or i'll slap you silly.
he's going to tell you to kneel down and close your eyes, and you'll do what he says because of course you will
and when you feel the collar click snugly around your neck the idea of being owned like a pet will feel so good and so right that you might cry out of happiness
i wont be a dog or a cat or whatever for anyone bc im an independent person i need to snap out of that
>maybe learn an instrument
sounds like OP is already a skinflute virtuoso
It’s because you were born a bitch. There’s a little worm inside your head that dances when you get put in your girly homosexual place. It’s where you belong, you know it so much that you feel comfort when at someone’s knees. I know how it feels. Oh, and it never goes away, have a nice life OP!
>and it never goes away
youre kidding right
you guys cant even imagine how many girls there are like that obviously most arent but there are way more than you think
There are no sadist women who date femboys and trannies it’s a meme
Nope! My first masochistic fantasy was in second grade, I’m 23 now and I’m wearing the collar my boyfriend got for me rn. You’re a little bitch for life from my experiences. I guess we’re just the runt of the litter.
me too 🙁
> women all of the ones ive been with were sadists who got off on the fact that im a feminized male and treated me like a submissive girl
LARP
>i am the ultimate le blogposter blah blah blah pay attention to me
ok
Hmmmmm
You should grow your hair long, shave all your body hair, get on chaturbate. Great idea!
>seriously why am i like this?
Too much sissy porn
I'm a trans girl but I'm more hardened, I carry myself with pride and I fought back against bullies when I was a kid and I don't want to take so much shit from people. I didn't really fail as a male either, I did just fine, I just hated it and wanted to be a woman instead. Now I'm a fierce bad bitch dressed mostly in black
im really sorry for the bad rep then
maybe but i wont meow
You should be my pathetic bf and let me handle you roughly
I'm VEGAN so I bet I each much much more onions products than you (I'm vegan btw)
Don't call yourself a baseds0yboy if you don't even eat onions
the LULZ filter on the word s-0-y made this reply funny
i eat white meat but what difference does it make if im an estrogenized homosexual
Bottoms shouldn't eat meat, bad estogenized homosexual, bad.
its white meat like chicken i dont even eat beef
When you eat white meat you eat someone. Animals aren't a thing, so you're not eating something, you're eating someone. Not cool man. Stop.
I would fucking devour a person if they tasted good and it were legal to do so, consciousness be damned
Ok Jeffrey Dahmer
I’m just saying like, nature or whatever the fuck
Kidding though, eating another person would be way too gross for me to do. Far too similar looking to me and probably far from healthy
You can't base your values on nature. Wiping your ass with leafs is natural but we rather stick to our toilet paper
animals eat animals too
i agree that the meat industry is bad but i dont think eating meat by itself is necessarily bad
but im not very well versed in veganism
didnt expect this thread to take that turn
just so you know thats not me
t. OP
You can't base your values on animals. Animals do infanticide, rape, eat shit. Just because they do it doesn't mean we should too. Also the animals do it out of necessity. They don't have supermarkets in their jungles with vegan alternatives in it.
Okay serious question here, is an animal’s life more valuable to a plant’s life to you? And if so, why is that the case?
An animals life is worth more than a plants life. That's because animals are individuals who experience the world around them. They're not just flesh automatons, there is someone inside that brain with their own personality, likes and dislikes who has the ability to feel joy and suffer. Their life matters to them.
Meanwhile plants or bacteria are just organisms. They act intelligent, like a plant growing towards the sun but that's just a plant reacting to stimuli (just like how my phone reacts to me touching it).
How do you know a plant doesn’t feel, doesn’t love or hate? They react to stimuli of course, everything does. But are they not alive and thinking just because we can’t see it? Is a paralyzed animal no better than a plant?
I know this because to think and feel you need a brain and a nervous system. If we cut up a flower and look inside of it we see that the flower doesn't have what it takes to feel and think.
>Is a paralyzed animal no better than a plant?
Do you mean that the animal can't move anymore but it is still conscious? The animal would still be more worth than a plant. Like if my dog (if i had one) was paralyzed from an accident I would want him to die a gentle death by bringing him to a vet to have him get put down. He's still alive and experiencing the world after all.
Unlike a "paralyzed" plant (lmao). I would toss that useless plant in the garbage bin while it's still alive and let it rot to death. It wouldn't be wrong because there is no victim involved. The plant is just a thing with no feelings whatsoever, therefore it can't be a victim.
Fair enough, thanks for answering
Oh I knew the answer already I just think it’s fun to poke a vegan’s brain and see how they respond
—_— bruh
Good job wasting my time haha
Even when I was still eating meat and hating vegans full time I never considered that plants have the same value as animals so I'm always surprised when people bring up the "but vegoons kill ants tho" argument.
No. They have no brain and no nervous system. Everything you've mentioned is them reacting to stimuli. And no they don't suffer.
I meant "kill plants tho" and not "kill ants tho" lol
It wasn't a waste of time! It was a healthy exercise in thinking about the value of a life, at least that's how I see it. I'll always be a meat eater so I don't think I'd ever truly be compatible with a vegan or vegetarian, but I think they're pretty cute honestly. They're like proper prey animals and it makes me want to hold and squeeze them
>It wasn't a waste of time! It was a healthy exercise in thinking about the value of a life
Wow that's a really positive way of looking at it. You seem like a cheerful person. When arguing for veganisn you always hear the same set of arguments so I already knew what to say lol
>makes me want to hold and squeeze them
eeeeeh oooooookaaaaayyyyyyyyyy haha
Thank you! I think it's important to be cheerful, I don't enjoy debates if they're all negativity, that's just an argument. Sorry I couldn't bring anything new to the table in terms of questions, but thank you for answering them
Also something tells me this vegan likes the thought of being held and squeezed don't they?
I mean who doesn't like to be held and squeezed haha
I'm gonna go to sleep now bye
And I also said "I'll always be a meat eater" when I was still eating meat, never say never :]
Animal exploitation is soooo deeply ingrained in our culture and our minds that it's difficult to overcome that mindset so I don't expect anyone to turn vegan after one conversation. It's all about planting seeds in other peoples minds you know? Maybe this experience along some future experiences and past experiences will make you decide to become vegan in 5 years? Who knows? Just know that animals are individuals and that their life matters to them and that in our society it isn't a necessity anymore to consume animal products to survive and lead a healthy life.
Ok bye
Hey don't leave me I liked our conversation 🙁
Sleep well anon, and who knows I guess. They'd have to get the food to taste properly like meat, plant tastes give my body an extreme negative reaction
>No. They have no brain and no nervous system.
>Everything you've mentioned is them reacting to stimuli.
How would they react to stimuli without something similar to a nervous system? Jellyfish dont have any visible brains either but they still move around and are obviously not plants. Your whole view of what is and isnt a brain is skewed by your own experience as a mammal. Trees breathe, feel and exist with their entire body and they communicate with each other through mycelium in the ground.
>And no they don't suffer
They will actively avoid pain and communicate imminent danger to other plants around them.
Go talk to a tree
I all ready do, you should to. Old trees growing up on some cliff are the best, would love to talk to an really old redwood though. Bet they have some stories.
I can't tell if you're a spiritual hippy or a genuine schizo or just trolling lol
I really dont give a shit what you think.
Well then go talk to a tree
Better then talking to a dumb bottom
Hmhm are you gonna slap me too? Maybe spit on me while you're at it?
Yeah, im even going to spank you with a wooden paddle i got from my tree friend. I asked if i coule take it and make a bottom beating paddle with it and he (it was a male tree, a rowan if it matters) and he laughed and said sure.
Im not, but i do enjoy hurting bottoms more then i enjoy hurting animals
Bottoms are designed to be beat up so that's fine
You two should let me bully and top you
>i do enjoy hurting bottoms
what did we do
Nothing, but you make the cutest reactions when you're in pain
thats mean 🙁
I only bully you because I love you anon
Its nothing you did, its what you do, namely the quite noises you do when you're taken rough.
why do you like hearing the noises of distress that we make? well at least you think its cute...
why would you hurt something you love...
Because I know deep down that you love being hurt, when I grab you by the throat and slam you onto the bed I do it because I know it turns you on. If I slap your ass until it turns red I do it because I know you'll get an erection
thats not true i swear its not true its not true its not true its not
Cute boy, I would bully the hell out of you until you cum
thanks for calling me cute...
i actually need to get bullied everytime i have a sexual experience with anyone or else it just doesnt do anything for me...
i feel really pathetic
It's alright, pathetic boys are the most arousing to a masculine top like me. If you were close by I'd never let you go a day unused
ugh why does my stomach feel empty and my chest feels heavy whenever someone talks to me like that like seriously...
That's just your inner homosexual wanting to come out and be beaten and fucked by a man, be a good boy and embrace it
of all the things i could have grown up to be i ended up a feminized chemically castrated masochistic boy who spends a whole day on LULZ i really really was the runt of the litter
who spends a whole day on LULZ getting flustered over text replies from strangers***
even worse
Anon I'm tryna be supportive and inspiring here but posts like this make me wanna pin you down and choke you as I pound you into the bed. Quit it.
im sorry
Apologize by getting on your knees and massaging my penis with your tongue
im not a whore
You’re right, I’m sorry. Let me make you my cute little faggy boyfriend first. I’ll take you out on dates and you can sit on my lap while I hold you closely to my chest and cover you in little kisses
its just cause you made me flustered that i would actually give in to that...
Yeah? How would you feel if I held you up against the wall and locked lips with you? If I whispered I love you into your ear and gently bit down on it? What about when I bridal carry you to the bed and lay down with you, pulling your cute frail frame into mine and spooning you?
fuck i have to stop reading these i literally feel dizzy in the head i have to stop
God I love cute boys so fucking much, I would make you my boyfriend in a heartbeat. Location?
South America Brazil sorry for that anon
FUCK is there any chance I can make this ldr and then eventually have you fly in. I will send you all the romantic loving texts you want, I’ll make you feel fuzzy and happy all the time I promise
im sorry anon im not into ldr or leaving the country i grew up in
Damn it… fair enough…
keep trying and you can get your desired estrogenized chemically castrated masochistically femboy anon i believe in you
masochistic*
NTA but you can't be a vegan and a top at the same time, you're literally a prey animal
Plants do suffer, they bleed, they heal, they react to pain and they "talk" to other plants around them. I wouldnt think twice about cutting some weeds but im not going to kill some old tree for no good reason and i would put a bolt gun to 1000 sheep before i cut down a 1k+ yeae old redwood if i was forced to make that choice
Stop being a retard, yes plants react to pain but animals are obviously above them. Also it depends on the plants, some plants (everything with seeds inside that doesnt get digested) wants to be eaten.
I kill and eat animals so idc what you do but the whole plants are alive to is just dumb.
>even though i also like women all of the ones ive been with were sadists who got off on the fact that im a feminized male and treated me like a submissive girl
Where do I meet women like this?
for me it was high school then college and and local emo and goth scene bars
Cuckold fetish speedrun
??????????
embrace it
this is me but I'm desperately trying to be a man
Give up, dude, it's over
men can be feminine
Yeah but if you're saying stuff like >desperately trying to be a man
maybe you just don't really want to be one
I'm just pressured by everyone and everything to be more masculine
I'll force you to be my feminine bf
no I am a man and I love women
Why the fuck are you here then
idk why are you
I'm a man and I like men
well I have had and would have sex with guys but I like girls more
If you like sex with men how about you prove it by sitting on my lap and letting me tease your nipples
Then you dont like -just- women
No matter what you are in this world, there will always be pressure to be something else. You could be a tall, ripped chad and feel pressure to make more money. You could be a rich, tall, ripped chad and feel pressure to be less assertive. It's bullshit, but it's a fact of life in a digital-age society.
The only thing that matters is what YOU want to be, not what anyone else wants you to be.
>You could be a rich, tall, ripped chad and feel pressure to be less assertive
rich people dont feel pressure
Anon, just accept yourself.
Your misery comes from comparing yourself as you naturally are to the ideal as presented by society.
And all of you keep trying to change society to fix this instead of just accepting what you are.
Life's too short to give a shit about that crap. Love yourself as you are and do what makes you happy, so long as it's safe and doesn't bring harm to yourself or others.
>why? seriously why am i like this?
Does it matter? Enjoy it. My gf is just like you. This is the price a species pays thanks to natural variance. Maybe you being an ultimate beta increases the virility of the species as a hole... Every top should get a beta male side wife to help manage the household with his main wife. You can contribute to society beta! Be positive and enjoy being filled up with cum while supporting another woman's kids.
its hard enjoying it because afterwards i just feel like a pathetic homosexual not matter how good it felt in the moment like yeah it was fun the one time i let somebody spit on my face and got in all fours and let her use me as a footstand but try going to sleep that night having to replay that in your mind over and over again
i feel like a pathetic homosexuals in the not fun way to clarify
maybe don't go that hard at first and just try sucking dick with someone who likes you too? before moving into the living footstool category.
how would sucking dick be less humiliating than that
really seems like there is no easy way to get rid of the lingering male pride
its a two edged sword because humiliation is a fundamental part of my enjoyment of any sexual relation but its not just an act i genuinely feel humiliated and degraded and it makes me feel bad sometimes
there's nothing inherently humiliating about having sex with someone, top or bottom. Being spit on and treated as furniture is something else. Also I collar my gf sometimes and that does embarrass her but she's gotten over her hangups and accepted her place as a pet.You should just feel the satisfaction of it, not the pain.
It might take you some time.
>there's nothing inherently humiliating about having sex with someone, top or bottom
youre a top and just saying that to make me feel less ashamed like youre talking to a kid throwing a tantrum it is humiliating
i wish i could be a top for one day just to get back and feel how it is like but sadly my condition as a fucking impotent beta wont let me
you talking about your gf just makes me feel dread about how im probably going to end up being called a pet by someone and maybe at some point im not even gonna feel ashamed anymore like a brainwashed sex object
maybe im extremely complexed about being a bottom but like cant you see the reason?
i literally could have been an alpha male fucking people left and right and dominating them but my own brain made me basically have no choice other than being what is essentially indistinguishable from a submissive girl
im talking a lot but like you CAN understand where im coming from right? right??
shh just let him collar you and be happy
dont you shh me
bitch
>dont you shh me
*puts ball gag in your mouth*
ah so much better
?????????
>youre a top and just saying that to make me feel less ashamed like youre talking to a kid throwing a tantrum it is humiliating
Well it is kind of like dealing with a kid having a tantrum. Takes patience and/or spanking.
and yeah, i can see where you're coming from dw. i've had this conversation irl. think of it from my perspective as a gay top, when i was a teen I thought i could be fucking girls but i want to fuck boys, what the fuck kind of man am i??
in b4 some rapid T asks how can you be gay and have a gf (male). It's easy when you fall in love.
its way way worse being a bottom at least you were gay but a top that didnt make you a submissive beta
im not even gay but being a bi bottom is somehow gayer and more feminine than just being a gay top
you should understand more the angst bc idk how old you are but you implied to be past your teens im still 19
theres a fact that makes it worse i havent mentioned that i have a brother who is a gymrat and way fucking stronger than me and we are fucking twins thats why the reply that said im the runt of the litter hurt so bad
didnt mention bc you degenerate homosexuals wouldve told me to fuck my brother
>submissive beta
You're not a beta, the alpah beta thing only applies to men and since you're a bottom you're not a man and thus not a beta.
Feel better now?
im male i have a dick im fucking male
>im fucking male
No, you're getting fucked by males, like a woman.
are you calling me a tranny
i get fucked by females too so check mate liberal shut the fuck up
>such much of a homosexual he gets topped by women
Yeah, you got me, you're real man lmao.
its not my fault estrogen made me into this
and having sex with women does not make me a homosexual
you dont understand it if youre not also on hrt and short and shy in real life you arent actually living the true bottom struggle
i'm on hrt and i'm shy but i'm tall therefore sucks to be you i guess
>GAYD4
5'8 is not tall anon
>its not my fault estrogen made me into this
I dont understand. Did you not take it on your own accord?
>and having sex with women does not make me a homosexual
It does if you bottom for them. Thats some special type of turbo homosexualry right there, like you're not even submitting to a man, you're submitting to an a woman.
when i tried to be masculine i just got extremely depressed and taking hrt was the only thing that ever made me feel ok so i didnt really have a choice
how is submitting to a man less homosexual-y than submitting to a woman? i like women bc they are hot and make me horny so really thats my most alpha trait
>how is submitting to a man less homosexual-y than submitting to a woman?
How is that even a question? Real men are strong, its not like a frail homosexual on e had any other choice but to submit. But women are even weak and you went through some male puberty so you should be able to fight them old.
but i dont want to fight women and my puberty wasnt that strong i cant even grow facial hair right
my brother only started getting facial hair around that time so i guess i started hrt just before it would have some real effect
again a male and a female is a straight dynamic doesnt matter the position even though the women ive been in called me a girl its all larping
>again a male and a female is a straight dynamic doesnt matter the position even though the women
Holy bottom cope
>ive been in called me a girl its all larping
They werent larping.
what do you mean they werent larping?
"bottom cope" its literally TRUE a male and a female is STRAIGHT
real men have character and don't engage in some notion of some 3rd way stuff. They protect the weak (like you) just because. They aren't ashamed of who they are. They are weak at times, others strong. The belief that pervades this site that tops are mere poles is absurd. My bottom is insanely smart when they're not being retarded. I wouldn't date them if I didn't respect them in some way. Ganbare s0yb0y. And yeah I am older than you by about a decade. When I came out as gay at 17 it was really hard and i repressed for a few more years because my mom said it would make my dad sad. Still kinda mad I listened to her.
ignore dumb, advice, work on being the cutest subby femboy w/e you are and be girl without being a flamer. You will come to terms that you like falling asleep on the chest of a man holding his biceps knowing that when he wakes up you will be on your back with your knees behind your head. In my experience, holding someone close to your chest soothes anxiety and panic better than xanax.
You don't have to do degen stuff to be happy, but it helps.If you count getting your ears bitten while your wrists are held together degen.
why does it always circle back to me needing a man to be happy like i said time and time again that im bi idk just feels a little like projecting
>You don't have to do degen stuff to be happy, but it helps.If you count getting your ears bitten while your wrists are held together degen.
petplay is degenerate idk about what you said maybe maybe not
im sorry you had to repress it anon like actually genuinely
but like i do want someone who makes me feel protected they just dont HAVE to be a man though they could be
but sometimes i just wish i wasnt so weak and could just stand up for myself
ty babe. that means a lot to mean. And if a woman or a man can make you feel that way, and does. I'd say go for it.
>writes entire paragraph of bottom whining
even as a fellow bisexual bottom this is kinda very bottom of you
At least you don’t just daydream about it and never get the satisfaction of trying it like me.
shut the fuck up i dont care
you should consider suicide
get snailed retard