>having a knob instead of a touchscreen in the current year is awful
That knob is far better suited for driving than the hunt and peck method of a typical touchscreen. You spend less time poking around a screen looking for things to touch and therefore suffer less distraction.
Yes, your eyes do look at the screen, but your hand stays on the knob. Your arm stays on the armrest. Your shoulder stays in the seat. Your head stays pointed straight ahead. Only your eyes are glancing at the screen.
You're not going to keep your body still when you lean in to tap a touchscreen. You physically can't. The screen is always just out of reach because the the wheel is supposed to be closer to the driver for airbag deployment.
If you can't touch the screen when sitting upright in the seat, and the screen cannot be physically moved closer to the driver, then you will unknowingly move your body closer to the screen when you use it.
Keep moving your body and arms forward to reach for different menu options, and you're already distracted. Your other hand on the steering wheel may or may not subconsciously move the move the car.
Yes, I own a current gen mazda with a knob and I am biased in this respect, but I have had cars with touchscreens.
yeah there's a reason for that. Hyundais burn oil and have engine issues. People also have a hard time getting them to honor their warranty. Look it up
>I've read that the oil burning shouldn't be an issue on newer models/these engines?
I've read that only idiots trying to sell crappy cars claim hyundai doesn't still sell cars that burn oil right off the lot?
idk I haven't kept up with what Hyundai is doing. I think Korea is trying really hard to get their cars up to jap tier but I don't quite think they're there yet. Realistically if you're meticulous about maintenance there is a good chance you'll be ok. Most kia and Hyundai owners miss multiple oil change and don't give a shit about rust. You just wont have the confidence of Jap cars because korea doesn't have that pedigree
>I think Korea is trying really hard to get their cars up to jap tier
This decade too? Wow. After all these decades, they still haven't stopped advertising that they are someday going to catch up with other brands. >Realistically if you're meticulous about maintenance there is a good chance you'll be ok.
Real cars can miss an oil change or five. A hyundai just can't stay running.
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>Real cars can miss an oil change or five
at the cost of reduced engine life. I would bet Korean engines seize at the same mileage as anything else.
3 weeks ago
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>I would bet Korean engines seize at the same mileage as anything else.
And you would lose whatever you are willing to bet. Look at the used car mileage for hyundai. Note the sharp drop off of used cars with mileage over 125k miles. Note the same drop off for toyota cars at about 400k miles. Look at shitty cars that aren't korean and how they drop off at closer to 200k miles.
Hyundai isn't even trying to make a car, they are just advertising.
3 weeks ago
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The problem with that comparison is that women run Hyundais into the ground. Consistently missing multiple oil changes will create compounding issues. People that buy jap cars buy them for reliability and therefore keep up with maintenance. Obviously jap cars are better but I think things are skewed because korean cars are run into the ground.
3 weeks ago
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>The problem with that comparison is that women run Hyundais into the ground. >But only hyundais. For reasons. For reasons OTHER than shitty engineering.
3 weeks ago
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no lol. Nissans and German shit are also run into the ground.
3 weeks ago
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>no lol. Nissans and German shit are also run into the ground.
I'll tell that to the people driving over 20 year old hardbody nissan trucks and those almost as old frontiers, they will totally agree with your absolute bullshit.
3 weeks ago
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I'm talking about Versa and Altimas not body on frame vehicles
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm talking about Versa and Altimas not body on frame vehicles
Well I was talking about hyundai kia genesis and those crappy gm cars made in south korea too.
3 weeks ago
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yeah I know. Those get run into the ground more than civics
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Our customers are to blame for our shitty design, honest.
I bet taking the car to jiffy lube instead of the stealership is why the ABS on those hyundais caught fire. The wrong oil was used and that magically converted the brake fluid into fire.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
this doesn't refute anything I said. I already said jap cars are better
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I already said jap cars are better
Not just jap cars are better.
3 weeks ago
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euro cars are worse
3 weeks ago
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>euro cars are worse
not really.
3 weeks ago
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lol euro cars explode at 100k miles
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
1 It's weird for you to use miles when discussing how many kilometers a European car will travel.
2 The replacement engines needed for hyundai cars to reach the same is often more than zero.
3 weeks ago
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>1 It's weird for you to use miles when discussing how many kilometers a European car will travel.
get over yourself >The replacement engines needed for hyundai cars to reach the same is often more than zero.
It's not OFTEN more than zero. If the majority of of Hyundai owners were replacing their engines nobody would buy them. Stop being a drama queen
3 weeks ago
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>It's not OFTEN more than zero.
It's way more OFTEN than it should be and way more OFTEN than real cars that have competent designers.
3 weeks ago
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>moving the goal posts
enough already
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>enough already
Hyundai is still worse than
no lol. Nissans and German shit are also run into the ground.
>Nissans and German
as well as
euro cars are worse
>euro cars
because even vague references to a continent of cars does not match how bad hyundai has gotten. Numerous models were listed as unsafe to park in your garage or near your house while simultaneously being unwise to park outside of a locked structure like a garage. Because it is so easy to steal. Where are you supposed to park it? Where it burns down your house or where it gets easily stolen by literally children? Those kia boys were very young.
The idea that "euro cars" are worse than a car that you can't really park safely is laughable.
So in your own words, enough already.
3 weeks ago
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stop trying so hard
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I literally think companies pay J.D. Power to rank them well.
As far as hyundai, yeah they have their problems. But seriously, look at ANY toyota made in the last 5 years...you know whats weird? I see a hell of a lot less new ones on the road, but a fuckload of old ones. The new ones are shit and the market knows it.
Honda just gave up on being reliable entirely. Mazda is ok but ugly. Id just get the damn Hyundai and be happy. They offer alot more car than the other competitors and a warranty to boot. Usually when companies get burnt like Hyundai did they tend to figure things out.
3 weeks ago
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WTF, how real is this bullshit?
Nissan beats mazda and honda?
Honda is very low while Kia, and hyundai are that high? the only one that make sense is lexus, everything else seems opposite to what I hear from people IRL
that Nissan is the worst japanese car and Toyota, Mazda, Honda are the best while korean is junk and chev is junk etc
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh no, Ford. What are you doing?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
WTF, how real is this bullshit?
Nissan beats mazda and honda?
Honda is very low while Kia, and hyundai are that high? the only one that make sense is lexus, everything else seems opposite to what I hear from people IRL
that Nissan is the worst japanese car and Toyota, Mazda, Honda are the best while korean is junk and chev is junk etc
>everyone here jerks off to toyota >korean cars are the worst
In reality Toyota and Hyundai look to be about the same in reliability and Kia even bets it
lmao
3 weeks ago
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>Toyota and Hyundai look to be about the same in reliability
Lmao. Looks to whom? The used market is saturated with overpriced toyotas with 200k miles where the asiatics are nowhere to be seen.
3 weeks ago
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To the image I was referring to obviously
3 weeks ago
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>It's not OFTEN more than zero
Recall T6G moron. It's not often, you're right. It's every time.
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>How retarded would I be if I bought this?
My assumption is that you don't have enough money to buy a used car outright and the bank won't lend for a used car, so you can only finance a new car. You also do not want a used car due to the uncertainty of getting an absolute shitheap from negligent owners, which is extremely common these days.
The Kona is not the best option unless you need the upright seating position and are fat enough that you must sit onto a car seat instead of sit into a car seat. You are best off with the hybrid as Hyundai turbo engines require you to be religious with frequent oil change intervals.
>Most kia and Hyundai owners miss multiple oil change and don't give a shit about rust.
Yep, that's why buying one used is a significant risk for the brand. It also burns a ton of people when they do purchase one that's been neglected. The cars are perfectly fine when the Koreans own them because they'll maintain them to the letter, it's when others buy them and never return to the dealer even with complementary services.
3 weeks ago
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I don't want a used car because the prices for used cars in my country are absolutely retarded and I refuse to participate in that circus. I am buying a car with cash. I set a 35k € limit, but if possible, optimally, I would like it to be 30k.
I also want enough room in the back seat, type c jacks and a 360 camera. It is also imperative that the back doors open wide/normally (the fuck is wrong with Toyota). I work from home and don't drive too much except for short distances, maybe a longer trip every few months, so I don't need anything "fun" to drive.
With Kona I get literally everything I want, plus the gray two tone interior looks great in my opinion. But there is the question of the reliability.
Anything else you would suggest based on the criteria?
Thank you for the engine suggestion.
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>But there is the question of the reliability.
Maintain at "severe service" intervals (5k-7k km) and you'll be fine.
>Anything else you would suggest based on the criteria?
Toyota hybrid if you can afford it. If you WFH and are able to charge in a garage, you're an ideal candidate for a PHEV. Basically, you'll be able to drive for the cost of tires and brakes on EV power alone for short errands. Add in an inverter to the 12V battery and now you have a hyper-efficient generator for power outages that is 3x more efficient than a conventional generator and requires 10x less maintenance. If I recall European fuel prices and the pain of filling up a van at $8.00/gallon, that's a substantial running cost that has to be accounted for.
Same applies to the hybrid though, check oil once a week, if you drive too infrequently, condensation can build in the oil sump and turn the oil cloudy (water contamination). Applies to all cars, but if that happens, change the oil.
>much equipment >type c, touchscreen
You have a phone /n/igger, don't you? > 360 camera
Learn to drive phemoid. >willing to spend 30+k euro for a Hyundai/KIA
Ah, you are retarded as well. For that kind of money you can get top trims from mazda/Toyota and some entry/mid trims from BMW/audi. Is the Honda jazz still available in EU? Last time I checked it was and it was in your budget. Get your head out of your ass and look at the market again.
>much equipment >type c, touchscreen
You have a phone /n/igger, don't you? > 360 camera
Learn to drive phemoid. >willing to spend 30+k euro for a Hyundai/KIA
Ah, you are retarded as well. For that kind of money you can get top trims from mazda/Toyota and some entry/mid trims from BMW/audi. Is the Honda jazz still available in EU? Last time I checked it was and it was in your budget. Get your head out of your ass and look at the market again.
What proof? That you can get a top trim or near top trim yaris cross or corolla sedan for that money? That i am correct?
In my EU shithole the yaris cross starts at 24k and tops at 32k. The corolla sedan starts at 22k and top and the dizzying heights of 26k. C-HR starts at 27k and at 35k you get the "entry" GR version with 2.0l hybrid with 184 hp. At 32k you get a top trim Honda Jazz. I wouldn't buy any of those e-cvt autotragics myself but if i had to choose between these and the kona I would choose these. Plus the mid trim mazda cx-30 with AWD is 35k and it comes with a manual like God intended. Since you seem kinda sold on cuckovers and all that.
>tfw some other EU shithole has even worse vehicle taxation than mine
Point still stands. Top-trim or not all the vehicles i listed have a much better vfm. The drivetrains alone are not even comparable. But hey, you do you. I have no stocks with Toyota or anyone car manufacturer. You want to spent that kind of money for a top-trim sub-par poverty vehicle just for the useless tech addons go for it. Just another fool to laugh at.
>My taste in cars has been compared to that in the past
Old people don't get any direct benefit from buying a vehicle that outlasts them so if you're going to die soon consider the crappier car manufacturer, hyundai.
Idk. GF just got the 2023, 2.0 non turbo awd. I wanted the base model but the only color they had there was npc grey /cinderblock gray and neither of us like that and she didn't want to wait out an order.
id rather get a used 2020 or 2021 Cx-30 but u do u, all the digital screens will get old very fast, and looks very cheap/bad if u dont keep it pristine. What do you do once one of them break? it's a computer that stuck to ur car
and now u can't use ur car cuz of a computer virus or some bullshit
Why buy this over Toyota, Honda, Or Mazda?
Price and the features I get from it.
Honda and Toyotas are out of my price range for the features I want plus I really don't like them visually.
I love how the Mazda cx-30 looks visually but it is also very cramped inside and having a knob instead of a touchscreen in the current year is awful
>having a knob instead of a touchscreen in the current year is awful
That knob is far better suited for driving than the hunt and peck method of a typical touchscreen. You spend less time poking around a screen looking for things to touch and therefore suffer less distraction.
I don't see how using a knob is any less distracting. You still have to look at the screen to see what you're selecting, don't you?
Yes, your eyes do look at the screen, but your hand stays on the knob. Your arm stays on the armrest. Your shoulder stays in the seat. Your head stays pointed straight ahead. Only your eyes are glancing at the screen.
You're not going to keep your body still when you lean in to tap a touchscreen. You physically can't. The screen is always just out of reach because the the wheel is supposed to be closer to the driver for airbag deployment.
If you can't touch the screen when sitting upright in the seat, and the screen cannot be physically moved closer to the driver, then you will unknowingly move your body closer to the screen when you use it.
Keep moving your body and arms forward to reach for different menu options, and you're already distracted. Your other hand on the steering wheel may or may not subconsciously move the move the car.
Yes, I own a current gen mazda with a knob and I am biased in this respect, but I have had cars with touchscreens.
yeah there's a reason for that. Hyundais burn oil and have engine issues. People also have a hard time getting them to honor their warranty. Look it up
I've read that the oil burning shouldn't be an issue on newer models/these engines?
>I've read that the oil burning shouldn't be an issue on newer models/these engines?
I've read that only idiots trying to sell crappy cars claim hyundai doesn't still sell cars that burn oil right off the lot?
idk I haven't kept up with what Hyundai is doing. I think Korea is trying really hard to get their cars up to jap tier but I don't quite think they're there yet. Realistically if you're meticulous about maintenance there is a good chance you'll be ok. Most kia and Hyundai owners miss multiple oil change and don't give a shit about rust. You just wont have the confidence of Jap cars because korea doesn't have that pedigree
I've driven french cars all my life so far, I think anything will be a step up in the reliance aspect
>t drives an old Peugeot shitbox that hasn't seen maintenance in 5 years
I would never stoop so low as to drive an Peugeot, legit the worst looking cars in existence
>I think Korea is trying really hard to get their cars up to jap tier
This decade too? Wow. After all these decades, they still haven't stopped advertising that they are someday going to catch up with other brands.
>Realistically if you're meticulous about maintenance there is a good chance you'll be ok.
Real cars can miss an oil change or five. A hyundai just can't stay running.
>Real cars can miss an oil change or five
at the cost of reduced engine life. I would bet Korean engines seize at the same mileage as anything else.
>I would bet Korean engines seize at the same mileage as anything else.
And you would lose whatever you are willing to bet. Look at the used car mileage for hyundai. Note the sharp drop off of used cars with mileage over 125k miles. Note the same drop off for toyota cars at about 400k miles. Look at shitty cars that aren't korean and how they drop off at closer to 200k miles.
Hyundai isn't even trying to make a car, they are just advertising.
The problem with that comparison is that women run Hyundais into the ground. Consistently missing multiple oil changes will create compounding issues. People that buy jap cars buy them for reliability and therefore keep up with maintenance. Obviously jap cars are better but I think things are skewed because korean cars are run into the ground.
>The problem with that comparison is that women run Hyundais into the ground.
>But only hyundais. For reasons. For reasons OTHER than shitty engineering.
no lol. Nissans and German shit are also run into the ground.
>no lol. Nissans and German shit are also run into the ground.
I'll tell that to the people driving over 20 year old hardbody nissan trucks and those almost as old frontiers, they will totally agree with your absolute bullshit.
I'm talking about Versa and Altimas not body on frame vehicles
>I'm talking about Versa and Altimas not body on frame vehicles
Well I was talking about hyundai kia genesis and those crappy gm cars made in south korea too.
yeah I know. Those get run into the ground more than civics
>Our customers are to blame for our shitty design, honest.
I bet taking the car to jiffy lube instead of the stealership is why the ABS on those hyundais caught fire. The wrong oil was used and that magically converted the brake fluid into fire.
this doesn't refute anything I said. I already said jap cars are better
>I already said jap cars are better
Not just jap cars are better.
euro cars are worse
>euro cars are worse
not really.
lol euro cars explode at 100k miles
1 It's weird for you to use miles when discussing how many kilometers a European car will travel.
2 The replacement engines needed for hyundai cars to reach the same is often more than zero.
>1 It's weird for you to use miles when discussing how many kilometers a European car will travel.
get over yourself
>The replacement engines needed for hyundai cars to reach the same is often more than zero.
It's not OFTEN more than zero. If the majority of of Hyundai owners were replacing their engines nobody would buy them. Stop being a drama queen
>It's not OFTEN more than zero.
It's way more OFTEN than it should be and way more OFTEN than real cars that have competent designers.
>moving the goal posts
enough already
>enough already
Hyundai is still worse than
>Nissans and German
as well as
>euro cars
because even vague references to a continent of cars does not match how bad hyundai has gotten. Numerous models were listed as unsafe to park in your garage or near your house while simultaneously being unwise to park outside of a locked structure like a garage. Because it is so easy to steal. Where are you supposed to park it? Where it burns down your house or where it gets easily stolen by literally children? Those kia boys were very young.
The idea that "euro cars" are worse than a car that you can't really park safely is laughable.
So in your own words, enough already.
stop trying so hard
I literally think companies pay J.D. Power to rank them well.
As far as hyundai, yeah they have their problems. But seriously, look at ANY toyota made in the last 5 years...you know whats weird? I see a hell of a lot less new ones on the road, but a fuckload of old ones. The new ones are shit and the market knows it.
Honda just gave up on being reliable entirely. Mazda is ok but ugly. Id just get the damn Hyundai and be happy. They offer alot more car than the other competitors and a warranty to boot. Usually when companies get burnt like Hyundai did they tend to figure things out.
WTF, how real is this bullshit?
Nissan beats mazda and honda?
Honda is very low while Kia, and hyundai are that high? the only one that make sense is lexus, everything else seems opposite to what I hear from people IRL
that Nissan is the worst japanese car and Toyota, Mazda, Honda are the best while korean is junk and chev is junk etc
Oh no, Ford. What are you doing?
>everyone here jerks off to toyota
>korean cars are the worst
In reality Toyota and Hyundai look to be about the same in reliability and Kia even bets it
lmao
>Toyota and Hyundai look to be about the same in reliability
Lmao. Looks to whom? The used market is saturated with overpriced toyotas with 200k miles where the asiatics are nowhere to be seen.
To the image I was referring to obviously
>It's not OFTEN more than zero
Recall T6G moron. It's not often, you're right. It's every time.
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>How retarded would I be if I bought this?
My assumption is that you don't have enough money to buy a used car outright and the bank won't lend for a used car, so you can only finance a new car. You also do not want a used car due to the uncertainty of getting an absolute shitheap from negligent owners, which is extremely common these days.
The Kona is not the best option unless you need the upright seating position and are fat enough that you must sit onto a car seat instead of sit into a car seat. You are best off with the hybrid as Hyundai turbo engines require you to be religious with frequent oil change intervals.
>Most kia and Hyundai owners miss multiple oil change and don't give a shit about rust.
Yep, that's why buying one used is a significant risk for the brand. It also burns a ton of people when they do purchase one that's been neglected. The cars are perfectly fine when the Koreans own them because they'll maintain them to the letter, it's when others buy them and never return to the dealer even with complementary services.
I don't want a used car because the prices for used cars in my country are absolutely retarded and I refuse to participate in that circus. I am buying a car with cash. I set a 35k € limit, but if possible, optimally, I would like it to be 30k.
I also want enough room in the back seat, type c jacks and a 360 camera. It is also imperative that the back doors open wide/normally (the fuck is wrong with Toyota). I work from home and don't drive too much except for short distances, maybe a longer trip every few months, so I don't need anything "fun" to drive.
With Kona I get literally everything I want, plus the gray two tone interior looks great in my opinion. But there is the question of the reliability.
Anything else you would suggest based on the criteria?
Thank you for the engine suggestion.
>But there is the question of the reliability.
Maintain at "severe service" intervals (5k-7k km) and you'll be fine.
>Anything else you would suggest based on the criteria?
Toyota hybrid if you can afford it. If you WFH and are able to charge in a garage, you're an ideal candidate for a PHEV. Basically, you'll be able to drive for the cost of tires and brakes on EV power alone for short errands. Add in an inverter to the 12V battery and now you have a hyper-efficient generator for power outages that is 3x more efficient than a conventional generator and requires 10x less maintenance. If I recall European fuel prices and the pain of filling up a van at $8.00/gallon, that's a substantial running cost that has to be accounted for.
Same applies to the hybrid though, check oil once a week, if you drive too infrequently, condensation can build in the oil sump and turn the oil cloudy (water contamination). Applies to all cars, but if that happens, change the oil.
very
>1.6 hybrid
Do you like catalytic converters?
How do they manage to make the Kona look even more retarded every time they facelift it?
HOLY SHIT ITS ROBOCOP!1!1!!1!11
Get the EV.
This
I can't. I don't have a place to charge it, so not an option
Do you not have access to a standard home outlet?
I will be living in a flat for the next 5 years at least, so no
Apartment owners will add charging if renters demand it. Some apartments already have charging.
Why are ice car being styled like ev cars now
It’s gross stop
if you're going to get a cuckover may as well get a funky looking one
>much equipment
>type c, touchscreen
You have a phone /n/igger, don't you?
> 360 camera
Learn to drive phemoid.
>willing to spend 30+k euro for a Hyundai/KIA
Ah, you are retarded as well. For that kind of money you can get top trims from mazda/Toyota and some entry/mid trims from BMW/audi. Is the Honda jazz still available in EU? Last time I checked it was and it was in your budget. Get your head out of your ass and look at the market again.
>top trims for toyota for 30k
lmao, I can't even get a maxed yaris/yaris cross for this price. And all others start at 30k+ for the lowest trim
proof
What proof? That you can get a top trim or near top trim yaris cross or corolla sedan for that money? That i am correct?
In my EU shithole the yaris cross starts at 24k and tops at 32k. The corolla sedan starts at 22k and top and the dizzying heights of 26k. C-HR starts at 27k and at 35k you get the "entry" GR version with 2.0l hybrid with 184 hp. At 32k you get a top trim Honda Jazz. I wouldn't buy any of those e-cvt autotragics myself but if i had to choose between these and the kona I would choose these. Plus the mid trim mazda cx-30 with AWD is 35k and it comes with a manual like God intended. Since you seem kinda sold on cuckovers and all that.
>top trim of cross for 30k
sure
>tfw some other EU shithole has even worse vehicle taxation than mine
Point still stands. Top-trim or not all the vehicles i listed have a much better vfm. The drivetrains alone are not even comparable. But hey, you do you. I have no stocks with Toyota or anyone car manufacturer. You want to spent that kind of money for a top-trim sub-par poverty vehicle just for the useless tech addons go for it. Just another fool to laugh at.
>Buying the Kona and not getting the EV
why
It's the best version of that car.
My mom has a Kona, so if you're a 56 year old woman it's probably a great car
My taste in cars has been compared to that in the past
>My taste in cars has been compared to that in the past
Old people don't get any direct benefit from buying a vehicle that outlasts them so if you're going to die soon consider the crappier car manufacturer, hyundai.
Idk. GF just got the 2023, 2.0 non turbo awd. I wanted the base model but the only color they had there was npc grey /cinderblock gray and neither of us like that and she didn't want to wait out an order.
I'd get the not turbo.
id rather get a used 2020 or 2021 Cx-30 but u do u, all the digital screens will get old very fast, and looks very cheap/bad if u dont keep it pristine. What do you do once one of them break? it's a computer that stuck to ur car
and now u can't use ur car cuz of a computer virus or some bullshit
buy a ford maverick