How would you rate him as a President?
How would you rate him as a President?
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7/10, no i wont explain my rating
He had the most difficult task any President has ever faced with the civil war and I doubted became a dictator in order to keep the country together, so I think he deserves respect for that. But otherwise he accomplished nothing.
I get his status as one of the like mythical presidents up there with Washington and Teddy, but I don’t think he was actually that great
>But otherwise he accomplished nothing.
>what is the transcontinental railroad
Jfc I swear the average retard on this board has a negative IQ score
>But otherwise he accomplished nothing.
He established the IRS, Secret Service, Homestead Acts and modernized banking.
two of those things were objective failures
>IRS... LE BAD
Enjoy your bankrupt country
>Secret Service... LE BAD
Enjoy your decapitated country
>Homestead Acts... LE BAD
Enjoy your empty country
>Modernised banking... LE BAD
Enjoy your bankrupt country
>He had the most difficult task any President has ever faced with the civil war
That's completely false on the face of it. Revolutionary war had worse odds, 1812 saw the white house burn. Lincoln was facing a surrounded outnumbered country with no allies and no industry.
He arrested lots of journalists so 10/10.
He was by far one of the best. He knew what had to be done to preserve the Union. Instituting martial law in select areas was regrettable but necessary to suppress anti-American insurgencies. Suspending habeas corpus was regrettable, but again, necessary to suppress traitorous secessionist/anti-war sentiments.
Yeah putting like 2/3 of the country under martial law was "american" of him
>Forcing at least 1/4 of the country to secede from the Union was so American of us!!!!
Did what he had to do. Yes he bent the Constitution sometimes but it was a national emergency.
Daily reminder that the CSA suspended habeus corpus and arrested journalists before Lincoln, and also instituted the first conscription in American history.
Literally a two second google search you lazy nagger
That was after lincoln started censoring the press
southerners were doing that before Lincoln even took office
Do your own google search or better yet, go read a book
okay but you lied
No, it was a specific reference to the suspension of Habeus Corpus but nice try at revisionism
good job lying
how does it feel when the only contribution to this thread is your lies
>lies and calls others liars
You act like no one can see you doing it and that alone proves why you fags never win
>waste your time explaining what I already know
You spam the board 24/7 but you can't make one effort post because "it's a waste of time"? Have you considered killing yourself?
>y-youre a spammer
>cries the spammer
>Daily reminder that the CSA suspended habeus corpus and arrested journalists before Lincoln
The CSA did so constitutionally. Lincoln legally should have awaited consent of congress. Whether you hate them or not, don't pull out bullshit on a history board to try to justify your feelings.
How can an illegal entity claim constitutionality in any action?
I don't know, I'll ask King George and Parliament if they can give me an answer
1) We signed a treaty with George III. There has been no conflict with the United Kingdom since with the exception of the Jeffersonian-backed War of 1812.
2) We won said right because we defeated our challenger in the Revolution, as our cause was just and we did not LARP as Napoleon.
>We signed a treaty with George III.
So the interregnum was purely illegal then?
>We won said right because we defeated our challenger in th
That's what the confederacy was attempting. Are you saying the right exists in some sort of suspension vacuum until one side wins? In that case how coudl the confederates be wrong?
the south adhered to the constitution more than the north did, so who's the real traitors
The ones that lost.
And they precisely lost two wars over it.
>pretend to know what you're talking about
>yeah well the north won
okay well time to lick your wounds for about 12 hours until you find another thread to shitpost in
>b-but we adhered to the constitution m-more!!!
Blow it out your ass you sophist.
that's precisely what parliament said.
>So the interregnum was purely illegal then?
>That's what the confederacy was attempting. Are you saying the right exists in some sort of suspension vacuum until one side wins? In that case how coudl the confederates be wrong?
They lost at the end which is what counts.
When there is a court, it is always after the end of conflict. Look at the Second World War. Germany was attempting victory as well. If they had won, all of their crimes would have been deemed legitimate. But they lost, so they were prosecuted.
so you can't actually debate the morality of secession, why even pretend then?
Try winning next time. Then we can get into morality.
Do you plan on maintaining this line of reasoning when the Chinese line you up against a wall?
So the United States were engaged in an illegal war, that retroactively became legal. lol
>They lost at the end which is what counts.
That's a meaningless statement and its no standard for judgement. Saying it counts again and again means nothing. They found themselves in the same position as the US were and conducted themselves accordingly. This isn't history, this is just you seething at a state that ceased to exist 160 years ago.
>This isn't history, this is just you seething that a state that ceased to exist 160 years ago.
in the eyes of fascists/racists/nationalists, etc., which is what the Union essentially was, might makes right. The secession of the south was legal, as per the wording of the Treaty of Paris, the Declaration of Independence, and via the void of a US federal secession process. The states of the south had the legal right to secede. Morally, the deep south was evil, as it was over maintaining slave holder power. The upper south was seceding over the dictatoral actions of Lincoln's war, and we justified.
that's a camp slave
That's a confederate veteran. While the black confederates were not soldiers, they did occassionally engage in combat against the Yankees, mostly because the Yankees killed anyone wearing grey - regardless of skin color.
The Union was putting black people in concentration camps as per the Confinscation Acts. If we want to use the term "camp slave", the Union had more camp slaves than the confederates - as well as more slave holders, since those same acts made slave holders out of all Americans by proxy.
it's pretty sad a criminal like lincoln has such a nice memorial
10/10 he should have kill them all.
ITT: the lbjfag-obsessed schizo talks to himself
>you're a nagger lover because you won't let me breed EVEN MORE naggers is across the unincorporated territories!
The only reason this country was ever majority White was because of the efforts of the Union in driving out all the Mexicans and Indians.
haha, always love the cope
He's in tier based.
Thank god "Bush good" died as a take a long time ago
Just wait until the youngest of zoomers and oldest of Gen Autism start saying "Obama good" in another 10 years
Deservedly among the best. Preserved the Union, wasn't a great battlefield commander and knew it, thus was shrewd with picking his generals and letting them operate. Knew how to garner mass appeal, and was one of the greater orators to hold office. Trent Affair was nicely done.
Negatives? Habeas Corpus suspension for sure, fucked that one up. Emancipation Proclamation probably could have been better, but eh, it worked. Wasn't the greatest with congress but he didn't really need to be.
Overall, solid. 9/10. Knew what he was doing and kept shit going. Most people saying he wasn't that great are probably contrarians, or just wanted Dixie to win. Any other president and the Civil War might have gone differently.
The best one. My tops 3 are...
There is a significant power gap after those three. I should also add, I think William Henry Harrison would have probably been our fourth best if he didn't die from having a stupidly long inauguration speech. Tyler is underrated but wasn't ready, I think. If fourth place matters, I say Teddy Roosevelt.
I don't have much of a political philosophy, and I only base my ratings on how "Based" a president is, and anything can be based, no matter the economics or social policies or anything etc. I don't care about left or right or Democrat or Republican, all I care about is if my gut instinct says you're cringe or based.
So Lincoln? Led the country like a tyrant during the biggest war of its history = Phenomenally based.
LBJ? Was a gigantic chad = Based.
Nixon? Won an impressive election and gave Americans free dialysis but fell due to a Shakespearean plot twist = Based Schizochad.
JFK? Fucked up the Bay of Pigs, handled the missile crisis, got shot in the head = Based.
Washington? I literally don't know a single thing he did as president but he was THE Founding Father = Based.
Wilson? Some people say he ruined the world, with foreign policy and the fed or whatever, but I don't know anything about geopolitical history or economics all I know is he brought the US into the Great War = Based.
Teddy? Imperialist Gigachad Philosopher King who bust trusts and got shot but gave a speech = Turbobased.
FDR? Did the New Deal save capitalism or extend the depression? I don't know nor do I care, he was a cripple who led the country into WW2 = Based.
contrast that to
Carter? One term failure = cringe
Hoover? Literally who = gigacringe
>Fucked up the Bay of Pigs, handled the missile crisis, got shot in the head
this is also how i rate presidents
you're an absolute moron?
nah u are
The worst US President ever. I mean, he started the Civil War by limiting the states rights. 0/10, even worse than FDR.
Moral tyrant. The exact kind of individual monarchies were established in hopes of cultivating, but the same kind whose presence is so rare that monarchies were outmoded on the basis of their unreliability.
10/10 because I'm a leftist who loves white genocide.
this unironically, (assuming white genocide was real)
The southern holocaust never happened, but it should happen again.
Stopped the expansion of slavery, industrialized the nation, enacted the greatest welfare program (homestead acts) in world history, fought globalism and a civil war, all at the same time. Easy 10/10.
he got millions of white girls blacked
i wonder what he would have thought if he could see it today. would he have been turned on?
Lincoln opposed miscegenation and all of his Supreme Court nominees upheld Alabama's laws in Pace v. Alabama.
he may have opposed it but he still inadvertently caused millions of white girls to get blacked
Miscegenation occurred before 1865 in this country and the federal government has no bearing on state laws. I think it was already allowed in some northern states before Lincoln became president and it was only widely legalized in the 1960s.
the only reason he's remembered with any kind of fondness is because he got shot. Not even joking. His generals hated him, Winfield Scott hated him, he protected slavery throughout his career, abolitionists hated him, Native Americans hated him, and in 1864 almost half the Union voted to kick him out because of his civil rights violations. He was a dictator who launched a war against the advice of Winfield Scott and all advicers, refused to even talk to southern deligates before Fort Sumter, and was a career railroad lawyer.
probably would've fallen from grace if he hadn't been assassinated, and he did some pretty retarded shit that actively sabotaged the union army
Any president that started a war is bellow 5/10 for me.
He didn't start the war though. There's nothing wrong with ending what your opponent started, which is also true of Polk, Wilson, Roosevelt, etc.
Delusional nagger. Lay off the cough syrup
>How would you rate him as a President?
Probably on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being the worst and 10 being the best.
Overrated and mythologised
Gets a free pass on a lot of shit because the Union won under his tenure and he got shot so he gets the sweet martyrdom points like JFK
this makes people overlook the fact that he was not a radical republican and in fact vetoed harsher reconstruction bills, dawdled on abolishing slavery and was not in favour of it pre war and messed up a lot by meddling with the army
honestly the civil war could have been over 2 years earlier
doesn't mean that anti-lincoln seethers like neoconfederates are right tho, he's still good for USA, just overrated
A radical republican would have never got elected, let alone kept the border states in 1860, you retarded LARPer.
Who am i larping as? Lincoln is seen as le hecking wholesome abolitionist while he wasn't.
Letting them pass? Cope dixoid, the reconstuction was an attempt to drag you out of the stone age. Unfortunately it failed and now the south is in the opioid age.
>Cope dixoid, the reconstuction was an attempt to drag you out of the stone age.
By stealing their money?
well duh, if you steal somebody's money it's to help them
>set up more profitable enterprises
>locals bitch that they got out competed because they don't get free labor anymore and have to stop being a lazy fuck
Lmao seethe more
Nah, we have the stats about how much was stolen from the South. Fuck out of here with your cope
im sorry but you can't own people
Unless you commit a crime, then the state owns you as a slave.
Read the 13th Amendment.
Sorry for the misinformation: You are only enslaved after you have been convicted.
You are free to commit all of the crimes you want until then.
I'm referring to the looting that took place after emancipation. It's crazy how you have such strong opinions about this but the most shallow discussion gets you out of your depth
>vetoed harsher reconstruction bills
As opposed to doing what? As it is reconstruction was nothing but a mass looting, and it ended costing both parts of the country a lot of their rights.
Would he have actually gone through with sending the blacks back to Liberia if not for his assassination?
He wasn't going to send them to Liberia, but he did ask Benjamin Butler to look into sending some freedmen to Central America a few days before he was assassinated.
homosexual fed tyrant that destroyed america
>t. Cletus Billybob Brown
he suspended habius corpus
he created the first income tax
he instituted conscription
he enslaved the south to the north
he enslaved the north to state
he freed the naggers.
Literally the anti christ in human form
>he suspended habius corpus
>he created the first income tax
>he instituted conscription
>he freed the naggers.
Wait until you hear about Jeff Davis
um sweaty actually you're making him appear more like the second coming of christ
>Saved the Union
>Instilled a nationalistic conception of America
>Modernized the economy and infrastructure
>Ended economic dependence on slavery
>Increased nation's might and prestige
>Abused execute powers
>Adopted increasingly radical abolitionist views, which led to his untimely assassination
I'd give him an 8.5/10. Most people either overrate him (normies and libtards) or underrate him (poltards and dixiefags). He's within the five most important presidents, but not within the five greatest. He did a lot of good, yet his aforementioned increasingly radical views on black suffrage and slavery really destroyed any chance of the South becoming truly invested in the American national identity until the 20th century.
increasingly radical abolitionist views
Such as? Your only example is suffrage and slavery, but he personally believed suffrage should only be granted to freedmen who served in the Union Army or were intelligent.
He literally obliterated State Rights, which is the destruction of the sovereign will of the people.
People think he ended slavery and fail to realize that slavery is still legal if you are convicted of a crime. Read the 13th Amendment, slowly, then ask yourself: what else have I been lied to about?
He obliterated states' rights to have slavery or indentured servitude. That's it.
>He obliterated states' rights to have slavery or indentured servitude
No, basically the old sovereignty of the states was done away with in this war, and to top things off the bill of rights, without which many of the original staes would never acceded to the Union, was tossed overboard.