This article is very confusing and mixes up several things.
Yes, you can't charge your phone with 45 Watts if it's not rated for that, the charger is not rated for that and the cable is not rated for that.
Why bring in data speeds and start with charging?
I can basically charge my laptop, phone, Nintendo Switch, Bluetooth headphones and vacuum with the same charger (I do use several, but you get the point). And of course a 10 W charger only outputs 10 W but if this confuses people, then it's not USB-C's fault.
to be fair wattage for usb c is usually a footnote on product packaging, whereas usb 2.0 and 3.0 were standardized, usually emphasized and more people knew the difference
Idk my small chargers have "20W" impressed in their case, the Lenovo charger has "65W" in bold letters on it. My no name charger has "max output: 60W" fairly large on the cable. I think the problem is that most people are idiots who are proud to have skipped physics in high school and have no idea what a Watt is what it would have to do with the energy going through the cable
The problem there is that the output power is not actually the whole story. USB PD supports multiple voltage levels and the fact that a PD power supply has a certain output power in big letters on the case doesn't mean it can actually supply that output power at all voltage levels. Now I wouldn't expect something to provide 5V 20A for 100W, but far more reasonable expectations don't always match with reality either.
For instance you could have a 60W PD adapter that can supply 20V at 3A, but cannot actually output more than 3A of current no matter the voltage. Now if you plug it into a device which wants 60W of power, but it actually wants 15V at 4A, then your 60W power supply can suddenly not deliver 60W, it will only do 15V 3A so 45W instead. Alternatively, you could have a 60W power supply that cannot provide 20V at all as it only does 15V 4A max. Now if you plug this max 15V power supply into a 60W device that ONLY accepts 20V input, then you won't even get 15V and slightly reduced power, you'll instead get bog-standard USB 5V and barely a trickle going through. It really is a complete shitshow, without even going into cables. The specific information about all the different voltage levels may not even be easy to find, if you're lucky you may find it buried in a manual page somewhere, but sometimes it's omitted entirely as well and all you get is a label with the max power output. It's a fucking mess.
Same shit really applies with data-related features, where it's never clear which of the many optional features and bandwidth and alt modes a port does or does not support. Back in the USB-A only days you mostly had the guarantee that if the plug and socket match, then it should be fine, but with USB-C it's RTFM all the way, every time.
You can't. Using a different USB-C cable can brick a Nintendo Switch since it's cable is not standard. Maybe the OLED version changed that, but the original Switch had that issue.
Idk my small chargers have "20W" impressed in their case, the Lenovo charger has "65W" in bold letters on it. My no name charger has "max output: 60W" fairly large on the cable. I think the problem is that most people are idiots who are proud to have skipped physics in high school and have no idea what a Watt is what it would have to do with the energy going through the cable
Anon, if a user plugs a USB 3.0 with 60 watts to a device that can take those watts, the device will use 60 watts. If the user connects it to a device that requests 40 or 20 watts instead, the device will receive 40 or 20 watts respectively from that same cable.
With USB C you can plug a 60 watt cable to a device that takes 60 watt and the device may not get those 60 watts because there's like 30 different standards of "fast charging" that are incompatible between them and there's virtually no indication to which cable/devices are compatible with them.
So you can plug a fast charging cable to a fast charging phone and get a slow charge, you can plug USB C headphones to a USB C port with audio out and still receive no audio, plug a USB C monitor to a device that can output video and still get no video etcetera.
With USB C both devices and the cable must use the same standard or it won't work. There's a lot of different standards that are not compatible between them and the end user can't know which devices/cables are compatible between them.
>You can't. Using a different USB-C cable can brick a Nintendo Switch since it's cable is not standard. Maybe the OLED version changed that, but the original Switch had that issue.
it won't brick the console, but it refuses to be charged with a couple of my cables
> >With USB C you can plug a 60 watt cable to a device that takes 60 watt and the device may not get those 60 watts because there's like 30 different standards of "fast charging" that are incompatible between them
Everything is being phased out for usb PD the only proprietary charging systems being made currently are a handful of Chinese cellphones that charge at high wattage, and those wont past since the newest USB pd spec goes up to 240w.
The various proprietary charging standards were a problem years ago, mostly before usb c was widely adopted but it quite standardized going forward
no it's not, it has always been standard. some use a different thing like the Switch to try to make you buy their own dock, but that's a conscious choice by the maker.
To this day USB-C headphones and microphones don't work on all devices with audio out. Same with video.
Ironically enough the only people who think USB-C is perfect and works flawlessly are those that use only the cable that came with their device or those that use devices so common that manufacturers consciously make their shit compatible with them, like Samsung.
Also USB-C has higher latency so USB-C controllers for videogames is a stupid idea.
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How could it have higher latency? Can't you run bog-standard USB2 through the physical type-C connector anyway?
>You can't. Using a different USB-C cable can brick a Nintendo Switch
That is a very old problem that was fixed on some firmware update.
I've charged my Switch with 10 different chargers and never had a problem.
>article is a complete miss written by an idiot >"that just proves USB C is the problem!"
no, if you're too retarded to understand something, it's you who is the problem.
>USB 3.0 aka 3.1 Gen1 aka USB 3.2 Gen1 >USB4 2.0 >Cables and ports never describe full range of capabilities, especially if bundled or on motherboard
Does it support outputting more than 0.5A? Who the fuck knows. DP alt mode? Maybe, maybe not.
>Yes, you can't charge your phone with 45 Watts if >the cable is not rated for that.
All USB Type-C cables are rated for 60W, retard. Don't use uncertified Chinese junk.
There are no clear standards.
And guess who is responsible for it?
Who is the one who is scared about cheap cables replacing his premium special snowflake brand peripherals?
USB-D, Lightning-style form factor, with ENFORCED STANDARDS (emphasis on ENFORCED STANDARDS so israelite like Tim Cook can't fuck off and do their own thing)
pass laws that force open source standards, for everything, that includes all source code ever created by man. fuck your feelings, all computers should be open source period, hands down, no excuses. computers are tools and as such they should be usable by all and available to all. if you want to make money, make hardware and sell it.
yeah well I will be pushing hard for this in the coming years, I will write every congressman on the planet over and over, I will reach out to all media corporations, and I won't stop pushing until I get my way of all source code being open source. you won't be able to write code without it being public domain. that will be my contribution to humanity.
it needs standardized power supplies and cables so literally any cable and power brick can output 100w at least but the problem is anything past 18w is prohibitively expensive for broke retards that dont understand voltages, watts and other magic. they just want to go to a gas station and buy a cable for 4 dollars because all they know how to do is charge they phone, eat hot chip and lie.
this isnt really possible just due to the nature of wanting to keep things chepa as shit. so we are left with a mish mash of color coding the plugs, having to decipher what the charger can do based of the power specs printed on it and etc.
The usb C situation is fine >fags on LULZ cry and complain that different usb C cables are rated for different uses >every usb c cable going forward is mandated to support the full usb 4 spec and 220w power delivery >every usb 4 cable now costs $45 or more >LULZ whines and complains, "i would never pay more than $7 for a usb cable"
By forcing normies to understand what is watt voltage and bandwidth.
By enforcing manufacturers to put correct metrics on packaging.
And by crucifying anyone who doesn't comply along via Apia.
It's just gonna get worse with iphone as a bunch of retards soon find out only the apple homosexual x USB-C will bother charging them and any old other cables won't do shit and they get mad at trying to find the one special snowflake apple cable in a sea of USB-C trash ones
They'll beg for portless iphones and fast wireless charging
As is everyone else, some of the most common USB devices like standard peripherals (mouse, keyboard, etc.) have no need for higher bandwidth or fancy features.
We unironically need a new standard that has same features that c has but which will behave in a predictable way
Like USB D, its like usb c except not shit
Never gonna happen, the problems we're seeing are intrinsic to the "one port does everything" design decision. The way to solve it is to make every port and every device support everything, but that would obviously drive costs way up for all the shit which doesn't actually have any use for the whole feature set so it's not going to happen.
Then brand the cables depending on spec >heres shittiest tier : does 10w charging and 10gb speeds or something. 10w10gb reads on the cable because of standardization >then theres higher tier that does 40 and it reads clearly on the cable
If cable breaks spec it doesnt get to be sold under usb c branding
It's not just the cables. If you buy a laptop with multiple USB-C ports then not all of them may support video output, or not all of them may support charging, or not all of them support the same USB data transfer modes and so on. It's going to be a shitshow anyway, this is just one of those ideas which is good in theory but sucks due to practical considerations.
Nothing really, as far as I can see at least. In theoretical la-la-land utopia you could grab literally and cable and connect any port from one device to any port on any other device and it would all just work, but we know this is absolutely not the case with USB-C so you still have to pay attention to what ports you're using while also paying attention to which cable you're using. The only difference is that the cables used to have different plugs in order to make it perfectly clear what each is used for, now we still have different cables and different sockets, except they all look physically identical so you need to pay a lot more attention to them than you used to.
>tfw they thought that standardizing all cables will solve all their cable nightmares >tfw they thought that normies with an attention span of 5 seconds will even have the slightest amount of sense about wattage, voltage and currents
>Fire the entirety of the USB consortium and blacklist them so they can never find work again >leave the shambles they’ve already fucked up >Release USB4 as the new backwards compatible standards >enforce coloured bands around the headers which represent power capability, bandwidth, audio/video, etc. Standardise this and enforce it so you can quickly and easily know capabilities of cables and ports. >begin removing USB audio capability from the standard and slowly begin to force hardware manufacturers to re-adopt 3.5mm jacks
This article is very confusing and mixes up several things.
Yes, you can't charge your phone with 45 Watts if it's not rated for that, the charger is not rated for that and the cable is not rated for that.
Why bring in data speeds and start with charging?
I can basically charge my laptop, phone, Nintendo Switch, Bluetooth headphones and vacuum with the same charger (I do use several, but you get the point). And of course a 10 W charger only outputs 10 W but if this confuses people, then it's not USB-C's fault.
to be fair wattage for usb c is usually a footnote on product packaging, whereas usb 2.0 and 3.0 were standardized, usually emphasized and more people knew the difference
Idk my small chargers have "20W" impressed in their case, the Lenovo charger has "65W" in bold letters on it. My no name charger has "max output: 60W" fairly large on the cable. I think the problem is that most people are idiots who are proud to have skipped physics in high school and have no idea what a Watt is what it would have to do with the energy going through the cable
The problem there is that the output power is not actually the whole story. USB PD supports multiple voltage levels and the fact that a PD power supply has a certain output power in big letters on the case doesn't mean it can actually supply that output power at all voltage levels. Now I wouldn't expect something to provide 5V 20A for 100W, but far more reasonable expectations don't always match with reality either.
For instance you could have a 60W PD adapter that can supply 20V at 3A, but cannot actually output more than 3A of current no matter the voltage. Now if you plug it into a device which wants 60W of power, but it actually wants 15V at 4A, then your 60W power supply can suddenly not deliver 60W, it will only do 15V 3A so 45W instead. Alternatively, you could have a 60W power supply that cannot provide 20V at all as it only does 15V 4A max. Now if you plug this max 15V power supply into a 60W device that ONLY accepts 20V input, then you won't even get 15V and slightly reduced power, you'll instead get bog-standard USB 5V and barely a trickle going through. It really is a complete shitshow, without even going into cables. The specific information about all the different voltage levels may not even be easy to find, if you're lucky you may find it buried in a manual page somewhere, but sometimes it's omitted entirely as well and all you get is a label with the max power output. It's a fucking mess.
Same shit really applies with data-related features, where it's never clear which of the many optional features and bandwidth and alt modes a port does or does not support. Back in the USB-A only days you mostly had the guarantee that if the plug and socket match, then it should be fine, but with USB-C it's RTFM all the way, every time.
You can't. Using a different USB-C cable can brick a Nintendo Switch since it's cable is not standard. Maybe the OLED version changed that, but the original Switch had that issue.
Anon, if a user plugs a USB 3.0 with 60 watts to a device that can take those watts, the device will use 60 watts. If the user connects it to a device that requests 40 or 20 watts instead, the device will receive 40 or 20 watts respectively from that same cable.
With USB C you can plug a 60 watt cable to a device that takes 60 watt and the device may not get those 60 watts because there's like 30 different standards of "fast charging" that are incompatible between them and there's virtually no indication to which cable/devices are compatible with them.
So you can plug a fast charging cable to a fast charging phone and get a slow charge, you can plug USB C headphones to a USB C port with audio out and still receive no audio, plug a USB C monitor to a device that can output video and still get no video etcetera.
With USB C both devices and the cable must use the same standard or it won't work. There's a lot of different standards that are not compatible between them and the end user can't know which devices/cables are compatible between them.
Works on my machine. Had zero problems switching between variety of devices and cables.
>You can't. Using a different USB-C cable can brick a Nintendo Switch since it's cable is not standard. Maybe the OLED version changed that, but the original Switch had that issue.
it won't brick the console, but it refuses to be charged with a couple of my cables
>
>With USB C you can plug a 60 watt cable to a device that takes 60 watt and the device may not get those 60 watts because there's like 30 different standards of "fast charging" that are incompatible between them
Everything is being phased out for usb PD the only proprietary charging systems being made currently are a handful of Chinese cellphones that charge at high wattage, and those wont past since the newest USB pd spec goes up to 240w.
The various proprietary charging standards were a problem years ago, mostly before usb c was widely adopted but it quite standardized going forward
It only took them 6 years to figure it out. Is audio and video being standardized too? That's another clusterfukt entirely.
no it's not, it has always been standard. some use a different thing like the Switch to try to make you buy their own dock, but that's a conscious choice by the maker.
To this day USB-C headphones and microphones don't work on all devices with audio out. Same with video.
Ironically enough the only people who think USB-C is perfect and works flawlessly are those that use only the cable that came with their device or those that use devices so common that manufacturers consciously make their shit compatible with them, like Samsung.
Also USB-C has higher latency so USB-C controllers for videogames is a stupid idea.
How could it have higher latency? Can't you run bog-standard USB2 through the physical type-C connector anyway?
>You can't. Using a different USB-C cable can brick a Nintendo Switch
That is a very old problem that was fixed on some firmware update.
I've charged my Switch with 10 different chargers and never had a problem.
>how would you fix the usb-c problem?
Hang everyone in the consortium/ gremium responsible for the current state of usb-c
That just proves the point that usb-c is a fucking mess
>article is a complete miss written by an idiot
>"that just proves USB C is the problem!"
no, if you're too retarded to understand something, it's you who is the problem.
>USB 3.0 aka 3.1 Gen1 aka USB 3.2 Gen1
>USB4 2.0
>Cables and ports never describe full range of capabilities, especially if bundled or on motherboard
Does it support outputting more than 0.5A? Who the fuck knows. DP alt mode? Maybe, maybe not.
>Yes, you can't charge your phone with 45 Watts if
>the cable is not rated for that.
All USB Type-C cables are rated for 60W, retard. Don't use uncertified Chinese junk.
enforce standards and remove chinks from the space
There are no clear standards.
And guess who is responsible for it?
Who is the one who is scared about cheap cables replacing his premium special snowflake brand peripherals?
I wouldn't
My cables work just fine
Maybe quit wanting to charge your shit to full in less than 60 seconds
USB-D, Lightning-style form factor, with ENFORCED STANDARDS (emphasis on ENFORCED STANDARDS so israelite like Tim Cook can't fuck off and do their own thing)
pass laws that force open source standards, for everything, that includes all source code ever created by man. fuck your feelings, all computers should be open source period, hands down, no excuses. computers are tools and as such they should be usable by all and available to all. if you want to make money, make hardware and sell it.
Your mother should be opensource.
yeah well I will be pushing hard for this in the coming years, I will write every congressman on the planet over and over, I will reach out to all media corporations, and I won't stop pushing until I get my way of all source code being open source. you won't be able to write code without it being public domain. that will be my contribution to humanity.
While I cmpletely agree, I have a feeling that big companies will still circumvent that law somehow
Develop USB-D.
require the connectors or the cord or whatever to be labeled for what it's capable of.
that way I don't need to take one of these lil guys over to my parents every time to determine why X no worky for Y.
it needs standardized power supplies and cables so literally any cable and power brick can output 100w at least but the problem is anything past 18w is prohibitively expensive for broke retards that dont understand voltages, watts and other magic. they just want to go to a gas station and buy a cable for 4 dollars because all they know how to do is charge they phone, eat hot chip and lie.
this isnt really possible just due to the nature of wanting to keep things chepa as shit. so we are left with a mish mash of color coding the plugs, having to decipher what the charger can do based of the power specs printed on it and etc.
Replace with Thunderbolt.
I've never had any issues with USB C
>plug and pray
kek
It's an old joke from the 90's.
Go back to type-b
This is type B.
Your image is mini usb, a miscariage of a plug, with median lifetyme of hundreds of cycles.
It is mini USB type B
The usb C situation is fine
>fags on LULZ cry and complain that different usb C cables are rated for different uses
>every usb c cable going forward is mandated to support the full usb 4 spec and 220w power delivery
>every usb 4 cable now costs $45 or more
>LULZ whines and complains, "i would never pay more than $7 for a usb cable"
They could've just made a small number of color coded standards and made everyone happy
By forcing normies to understand what is watt voltage and bandwidth.
By enforcing manufacturers to put correct metrics on packaging.
And by crucifying anyone who doesn't comply along via Apia.
It's just gonna get worse with iphone as a bunch of retards soon find out only the apple homosexual x USB-C will bother charging them and any old other cables won't do shit and they get mad at trying to find the one special snowflake apple cable in a sea of USB-C trash ones
They'll beg for portless iphones and fast wireless charging
thats the plan anyway. I dont get the whole song and dance, why not just make it portless NOW?
they should make tiers and mark the cables
like usb C-1 does 15W, up to usb C-5 that does 200W or something
Plug fits = must be 100% spec compatible
If 1 incompatible, the spec compliant device can short circuit and destroy the out of spec device device
>how would you fix the usb-c problem?
I fix it by plugging the USB-C cable in (in any orientation) and it just works. Problem solved.
I hate having to use two different chargers
I'm still using usb2
As is everyone else, some of the most common USB devices like standard peripherals (mouse, keyboard, etc.) have no need for higher bandwidth or fancy features.
Color code them depending on their capabilities
We unironically need a new standard that has same features that c has but which will behave in a predictable way
Like USB D, its like usb c except not shit
Never gonna happen, the problems we're seeing are intrinsic to the "one port does everything" design decision. The way to solve it is to make every port and every device support everything, but that would obviously drive costs way up for all the shit which doesn't actually have any use for the whole feature set so it's not going to happen.
Then brand the cables depending on spec
>heres shittiest tier : does 10w charging and 10gb speeds or something. 10w10gb reads on the cable because of standardization
>then theres higher tier that does 40 and it reads clearly on the cable
If cable breaks spec it doesnt get to be sold under usb c branding
It's not just the cables. If you buy a laptop with multiple USB-C ports then not all of them may support video output, or not all of them may support charging, or not all of them support the same USB data transfer modes and so on. It's going to be a shitshow anyway, this is just one of those ideas which is good in theory but sucks due to practical considerations.
I bought 20 of the same high quality cables and threw the rest in the garbage.
Never in my life did I have a problem with USB-C and I am clueless as to what "THE" problem would be.
Go fuck yourself, OP
i wouldn't, let retards plug their 120w macbook charger into their phone
im pretty sure the phone's charger port can request how much power it wants. eg: wont request the full 120W but instead the max it can take
Yeah, it requests a specific voltage setting up to whatever current it requires.
What was wrong with the days of knowing exactly what a cable does when you pick it up
Nothing really, as far as I can see at least. In theoretical la-la-land utopia you could grab literally and cable and connect any port from one device to any port on any other device and it would all just work, but we know this is absolutely not the case with USB-C so you still have to pay attention to what ports you're using while also paying attention to which cable you're using. The only difference is that the cables used to have different plugs in order to make it perfectly clear what each is used for, now we still have different cables and different sockets, except they all look physically identical so you need to pay a lot more attention to them than you used to.
This is horrible I don't wanna have to think about any of that
>tfw they thought that standardizing all cables will solve all their cable nightmares
>tfw they thought that normies with an attention span of 5 seconds will even have the slightest amount of sense about wattage, voltage and currents
bring usb micro back
best connector, cables themselves don't matter to the standard since every usb line you find is made by some different chinesium mine anyway
By changing it to USB-Rust
>Fire the entirety of the USB consortium and blacklist them so they can never find work again
>leave the shambles they’ve already fucked up
>Release USB4 as the new backwards compatible standards
>enforce coloured bands around the headers which represent power capability, bandwidth, audio/video, etc. Standardise this and enforce it so you can quickly and easily know capabilities of cables and ports.
>begin removing USB audio capability from the standard and slowly begin to force hardware manufacturers to re-adopt 3.5mm jacks
>USB audio capability
Why the fuck there's analog audio in serial digital port, anyway?
the problem is already fixed. wireless data transfer and wireless charging have existed for years now. having a port of any kind is pointless.
>wireless meme
Easy. We create an universal usb port.