How the fuck is anyone actually fooled into thinking the Abrahamic "God" is the Ultimate Reality?
>Humanlike
>Gendered
>Speaks to people
>Has commandments and priorities that are specific and relevant to our human lives
>Excessively concerned with making sure psychic energy is sent to him in the proper way (Did you just..... slaughter that animal the WRONG WAY???? Did you just draw a PICTURE of me????)
>Literally offers you nothing at all except escaping a punishment which he himself threatens you with
>Your "reward" is that your reincarnative cycle is interrupted and your soul is used as an energy source "forever"
>Absolutely nothing about the worldview makes any sense at all and directly contradicts everything that we discover about the world
>No cognition whatsoever of cyclical time
Come on, seriously, how the fuck is anyone falling for it? It's ridiculous. It's like if I told you my friend Jeff was God and you should worship him. It's just a fucking guy.
fools follow traditions more than they would even think for themselves. brainless zombies is 99.9% of humans
---PREDICTION OF COPES---
>Noooo you don't UNDERSTAND our religion because... you just DON'T okay??
>Ackshually if you read the esoterica/if you study Islam you'll discover that the concept of our god is marginally more abstract than this (but he's still just a big daddy in the sky who's very angry at you for being a bad boy)
>Which translation???
>Heh... if only you'd read Jean Paul de Pierre du Christcuque, eminent ontological scholar of the late 19th century, you'd know that it all makes sense. No I don't have to summate his ideas, go read a 400 page book of nonsense before you reply to this thread (Thread has been pruned or archived)
>You're a satanist!
>You're a redditor!
>You're an atheist!
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
Calm down, trying to ridicule people without even hearing them out is a cheap attempt to put yourself on top.
Personally, I have always seen God, or what i perceive as God, as not a creature, and maybe not even a being, but a truth that exists within the universe, waiting to be perceived, heard, listened. One that guides other creatures despite their origins. Illumination. It guides towards 'salvation' by making one open their eyes and realise about the nature of things.
Even so, the things you mentioned can be discussed with an open mind.
Those more 'human-like' aspects of God might be just the way the humans from that time perceived It, or how they believed it would be a better way to make the message be understood. Same goes for the limitation in knowledge of time and how the universe works. Humans wrote the religious texts, not God himself. There was a limit about how much they understood, even through revelations.
He really wants foreskins
Those were rituals made for the people at the time probably for hygienic reasons, that just sort of sticked due to ritualism and tradition. Same goes for not eating certain types of meats, or food combinations. I believe those were not instructed by God, just health-related practices of the time. Since however the laws and religion wer too closely-tied at the time, things got mixed up.
Unfortunately you have no idea what you're talking about. Everything you wrote is wrong. I'll give you a hint. The Hebrews were always pagan. Never became actual monotheists or against idols. They just tried to hide it rather sloppily.
Hahahahaha I'm glad I got that prediction post in 8 seconds before you said line 1, that's hilarious.
Don't "give me a hint." Spell yourself out. You fucking can't. You're talking shit. Hebrews abandoned their paganism in favour of monotheism. It's the entire reason Jesus shows such disdain for the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15:26-27. It's the reason "Canaanite" is said, to be destinct from Judaism. She's a pagan, so she gets compared to a dog.
You didn't predict anything, crayon eater. I said Hebrews were pagans and they were. Their religion was mostly unchanged, even after their learning from Zoroastrian Magi. It's ok though, because you can't handle reading books.
All that's coming out of your mouth is a bunch of seething garbage. I predicted the first line of argument would be "Nooo you don't UNDERSTAND" and that's literally what you said. Notice how every one of your "assertions" is backed up by nothing more than vague statements, asinine insults, and a refusal to properly explain yourself? That's because what you're saying is nonsense.
Also I think you mean "copying Zoroastrian homework," Zoroastrians were talking about their upcoming messiah (born to a virgin) in Babylon (which was under Persian control at the time) back when the israelites got freed from their captivity there lel.
No magi in his right mind would give a shit about your filthy little fairytales, the story of the three magi coming to see Jesus is intended as a legitimization of his messiah status; it belies a subconscious need to seek Zoroastrian approval.
You sacrifice humans every day, every time you baptize a baby.
I don't buy it bro. A range of other more authentic religions offer both those things too. Taking a brief glance at Dharmic religion, humans are definitely "special" within it (I don't see the gods incarnating into animal avatars) and those who are sufficiently bound together (be it in love or in rivalry) karmically recur together.
I could say the same for any pagan religion (since it all has the same root, Abrahamism is the only thing that doesn't fit.)
Didnt read lol ur a homo
like achilles paradox ,"time" for us may seem infinite in this universe to some extent , now consider the time line the steps achilles takes, for an observer from a higher dimension (enlightened being/archons/god) it looks limited but they want us to keep thinking it is eternal . even though it simply is not , what the gods promised us all throughout history the whole eternal paradise , hell or whatever is just deception, there is indeed a higher being than all of these , and this is the infinite creation contained within a multitude of other infinite creations , this supreme being (which is not a being it is simply the source of creation which idk can't explain further my mind is feeble ) does not interfere with it , since its creation can do whatever it wants, interfering with gods/archons/evil humans etc would take away their free will and that would start a never ending cycle of interference . but this does not mean its creations cannot interfere with your own free will , i am sorry i don't know how to better explain it .
>what the gods promised us all throughout history the whole eternal paradise
I'm going to stop you right there.
Name a single example that isn't Abrahamic (or Egyptian I guess, that religion is a very special boy.)
Also I'm sorry but infinite time doesn't resemble the Achilles paradox at all. It's not academically infinite, or "infinite" with a lot of qualifiers. It's infinite. There seems to have been a point in time that everyone knew this, and only cultures with a sufficiently ancient uninterrupted transmission of religious ideas (e.g. Hindus, Mayans) remembered the cyclical nature of things.
Some cultures (e.g. Greece) seem to have remembered the progression of the Yuga ("things get less magical and more conflict-driven and materialistic over time", reflected in the Greek Ages) but not that the "best" one follows the "worst" one in a new cycle. Others (e.g. Norse, "Yggdrasil dies and drops an acorn") remember the cyclical nature of things but their anatomy of it is less exact than the (admittedly, in themselves allegorical) precise year counts we find in Hinduism or Mayan religion.
You sound like you have very interesting thoughts, I hope you get more practice at explaining them. Some of what you said is hard to interpret.
Beacause it makes people feel special and like they were for a reason and are the top dogs in the universe. And it gives them hope that they may see dead family and friends again.
Not hard to understand anon. Its all one big cope but it is a bittersweet one
This
When you see people react like
it's their psyche panicking to assert their existential importance
Relax, no one cares if your God has Plot holes
Besides with God being omnipotent plot holes (on our end) should be expected and accepted since he be default will be above our mode of existence
They're larping.
Curious that no one can agree on a meaning for a commandment or verse because they mean what the Christian wants.
I just hate christfag so much bro
It's the only branch of religions that worships creation. War, peace, fertility, agriculture, wine, time, etc. All meaningless in the face of what really matters, which is creation. Nothing else is worth worshipping.
Absolute nonsense. Both parts of your statement are false. Every other religion in the world "worships creation" too, they just ordinarily worship everything else at the same time. This is because they aren't at war with the world: They don't have to be, because they aren't expected to deny reality and accept lies. Secondly, "Nothing else is worth worshipping" is a fucking idiotic statement that only makes sense in the mouth of a golem. I'm going to draw the Dharmic comparison again because in this case it's so blindingly obvious: Brahma is reality's creator, Vishnu its maintainer and Shiva its destroyer. This trinity is comprised of figures of equal importance, because all parts of the cycle of creation and destruction are equally necessary and sacred. The only people who take this lopsided view of destruction as simultaneously terrifying and also desired by your god (who allegedly brings about a fire and brimstone type apocalypse with nothing to smile about and no renewal) are, you know, Abrahamists. Obsessed with millennial time.
In responding to your post, I'd like to check the combative tone I use when responding to Christians, since it's obvious your intentions are good. But I'm gonna be honest: It reads a lot like you "don't believe in anything" (put very crudely and in a very normie way,) your response indicates that you view religion more as a set dressing to which we have a human right than as an authentic experience of divinity.
I could say the same for the guy you responded to, to a lesser degree. These are psychological interpretations. Neither of you seem willing to consider the possibility that the Abrahamic god is real (even if he isn't what he claims to be) and that he has the minds of these people in thrall. You're right, these responses they're giving are defense mechanisms, but it's not about asserting personal importance, it's about asserting the importance of their god. In their own words, they are his soldiers.
>Nooo! You can't believe in <X> because.. B-BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T, O-OKAY?!?
lol
lmao, even
and what the fuck are you gonna do about it? storm the Vatican? kek
I'll be sitting with the triple OG upstairs while I oversee your next reincarnation.
Cope, seethe, you will never escape samsara like this, may St. Michael deliver you from delusion and give you clarity.
Amen.
Christ is King.
Oh look, it's a Christcuck with slightly more vril than his lobotomized and castrated colleagues who's capable of actually trying to go on the attack, and who can also read well enough to realize that calling me an atheist or a satanist after what I've said would make him look stupid.
Unfortunately, not only am I not a Buddhist (Samsara is awesome,) but you won't be "overseeing" anything for two reasons: Your god isn't in charge of anything about the cycle of reincarnation, all he can do is divert the souls of worshippers into a prison, (and more importantly;) If you actually read your own dogma you would realise that you will have no autonomy or position of note in heaven, even if you attain the Cope Crowns. You'll just be a battery for the God of Abraham to siphon your worship for as long as he can maintain his artificial palace. You'll be better off than those in Hell being harvested for their suffering, sure. But you'll still be in a state of suspended animation, an undead like your saviour.
>Unfortunately, not only am I not a Buddhist (Samsara is awesome)
Broooooooo what is this version of Buddhism called
tantra
tantras are similar to buddhists but instead of rejecting the world they embrace and enjoy living
How do you distinguish between embracing life and embracing death?
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It's basically just historical accident. In the wake of Alexander, Greek culture spread across the entire Mediterranean. This included the spread of Platonic philosophy, including Plato's idea of "God." This Platonic God got openly fused with the God of the Septuagint by Greek-speaking very Hellenized israelites, and non-Greek speaking or less Hellenized israelites followed suit and fused these ideas with the God of the Tanakh (while pretending they did not and/or claiming that "Plato copied Moses"). The historical Jesus did use the Septuagint to guide his thinking about the Platonic God, but he equally used Hermetic philosophy and probably his own novel ideas.
After Jesus' death, the authors of Mark and especially Matthew tried to tie Jesus more directly to less-Hellenized "Judaism", rather than allowing him to exist as this ideosyncratic syncretist heretic he actually was. Gradually, especially with the Pseudo-Pauline letters and associated forgeries in James and 1/2 Peter (which were not written by James or Peter), more and more of the abstract Greek Platonic God flavor was lost, in favor of emphasizing the God of Commandments as opposed to the God of Reality.
The "Abrahamic God" is incoherent because it is a fusion of multiple very different concepts of God, but unlike with intentional syncretism the fusion is not acknowledged. So whenever someone wants to talk about God in a philosophical way, they talk about the Platonic God, and whenever you ask why the ultimate ground of reality cares about foreskins they just accuse you of not understanding the religion.
>in favor of emphasizing the God of Commandments as opposed to the God of Reality.
This is eloquent phrasing, thank you. Sorry, I might have to steal that. Very nice.
Your grasp of history is very impressive, both geopolitical and theological. However, I would like to agree with your post but append a Cato-esque statement of zeal to (my reading of) it: That it doesn't matter what the state of world religion in the geographical and historical setting of Christianity's emergence was, this god and its followers would have found a way to appropriate ANYTHING they learned about into their twisted and defected tradition, as a hollow simulacra that only fools those who've never seen the original. As evidence of this I present Islam, specifically designed to go into the Indo-Aryan heartland where it would need some better excuses about why big sky foreskin daddy is the God of Reality. Thus, Allah emerges as a more abstract, Brahman-like figure; in reality it's still the same guy (male pronouns give it away, don't let anyone tell you Arabic has no gender-neutral pronouns, that's complete crap, even the Arabic of Mohammed's time had pronouns for referring to people whose gender you did not know) and the abstraction is a carefully maintained illusion perpetuated by asking Muslims not to try depicting Allah in any form and effectively prohibiting thinking about him too hard. (Much like the Christian taboo on examining the Trinity.)
>whenever you ask why the ultimate ground of reality cares about foreskins they just accuse you of not understanding the religion.
Fucking lmao
Don’t harden your heart to the Lord. There will be a day when you’re brought before his throne and he’s gonna remember this gay little post of yours and he may not be so forgiving.
>you have to worship the demon in the sky or he will torture you
Why would I do that? I will instead banish the demon.
>He'd forgive
How a believable Ultimate God would look like, act and interact with its creation in your opinion?
Please answer this question, I am genuinely interested.
they would probably just be like lol
nice feet
mayhaps they aint got the skill for unpacking metaphors to get to the knowledges.
I don't get your point. Since the Absolute has all the possible aspects, than a personal God is part of him, the way he reaveals himself to humans in order to create religions. Just like in Hinduism, it is recognised that the Ultime reality (Brahman) is impersonal but there are still cults round Krishna and Vishnu, personal deities.
yes exactly. but do you realy expect these retards to understand hinduism? lol
I don't believe that one needs to understand fully religious concepts in order to gain something from them. The average religious person probably has a very twisted view of what is reality but I don't think it matters because they can participate to a meaningful myth. I believe the very point of religion is to make metaphysics reachable for everyone, no matter his abilities. Of course, each person goes deepr according to what he is, but at least everyone would be included.
Fear is a hell of a drug, senpai.
Why does any of that preclude him from being the creator of the universe, exactly? That just reads like a list of personal gripes you have, not contradictions.
Lord means Baal in Hebrew by the way.
I think abrahamic religions are purposefully made this way so only npcs fall for it. No real human possibly could.
In Salt and Sanctuary, a pretty good game, the main twist is that the gods you've been hearing about for the entire game that supposedly rule the world are actually all dead and a human wizard had restructured their worship to go to him instead making him, ironically, a functional god.
You end up killing him and then are left with a world without any gods at all
I think it's important to remember that even the earth was created
Congratulations, you have successfully debunked christianity. You have not demonstrated a greater awareness of, let alone refuted, abrahamic religion generally. Now do Judaism.
OP finds out that Abrahamic religions are devil worship.
Spark of life
How does a lie survive 2000+ years? Don't you think perhaps people failed to live up what the bibles asks us of? Or if the vast majority of people don't have a clue what the bible is about?
Like you're talking about some punishment when it's the only religion on earth that's willing to say that humans are shit, and if we would be judged by our morals we would be fucked like you said. But in reality all the lord asks of is to believe in him and sin (miss the point) no more, I don't get why you keep making these threads instead of seeking the truth cause it's clearly out there for you to reach if you so wish
The more I discover the more I feel like everybody was lied to in different languages over time. How do you blame the creator of the life giving organism for the misdeeds of the dead, after God gave us the rainbow to signify to not intervene again? Asking for a friend
>GENDERED!!11
Ok tranny
rent free
People are fooled or play the fool because life is suffering. Personally, I am tired and no longer believe in anything except for myself. I'm going to be free of existence itself. I am TIRED.
You do you
They made a covenant, pact with the demon, to deliver them from Egypt they offered blood sacrifices and worship.
Yeah that was fucked up, glad that doesn't happen anymore. Oh wait
He appeared to them as destructive fire and lightning and they worshiped the strength that they lacked. They were his chosen people, the people who were tainted first by his demonic influence.
Don't assume how he appeared to me.
burning bush
kill them johnny, kill them all..
is actually what to do with witch animals fyi
Oh, thanks.
>AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHGHHHHHHHHH NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOD *MUST* BE AN UNSPEAKING TRANNY THAT REINCARNATES SOULS FOREVER AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
KWAB
Western theology did a number on you. Orthodoxy holds the truth you seek.
Take semetic religion only from semites.
God: The world will hate me
You: Fuck god! Why would you believe in him?
huh..
>literally murder the entire world except eight people
>"predict" this will cause some controversy
What a miracle. The prophecy, foretold!
God giveth life and he alone has the right to taketh away.
Besides, you're weeping for murderers, thieves, and rapists.
>the Abrahamic God
>the x God
Religions are many, but God is one.
Man is the measure of all things.
Ok.
to people
Yes. Why would the Creator not speak to His creations.
>>Has commandments and priorities that are specific and relevant to our human lives
Yes, why would He not have commandments that pertain to his creation?
concerned with making sure psychic energy is sent to him in the proper way (Did you just..... slaughter that animal the WRONG WAY???? Did you just draw a PICTURE of me????)
See above.
offers you nothing at all except escaping a punishment which he himself threatens you with
You do not understand the nature of evil or hell, please read a book. There is only God's Will. Going against the only thing that truly is (I Am That I Am, Truth Himself) turns you into nothing, a lie. A lie cannot abide with Truth. You chose to become a lie.
>>Your "reward" is that your reincarnative cycle is interrupted and your soul is used as an energy source "forever"
There is no reincarnation, you have one soul and once you enter eternity the state of your soul will be amplified unto forever.
nothing about the worldview makes any sense at all and directly contradicts everything that we discover about the world
How so?
>>No cognition whatsoever of cyclical time
???
This
You can't argue with christcucks due to the tautological nature of the belief
The entire belief structure is based on a book that IS true, and it's true because it came from GOD, and they know it came from GOD because GOD said so in the book that IS true.