How subjective is music?
If music is subjective and doesn't have objective quality, then explain why album like pet sound, kind of blues, white album,etc, are considered some of the best albums of all time and stuff like tom mcdonald or shaggs is considered the ultimate shit by everyone.
If McDonald's was really bad for you then why do so many people eat it?
>why album like pet sound, kind of blues, white album,etc, are considered some of the best albums of all time
Well that's the key point isn't it, they are CONSIDERED to be some of the best albums. If they were, it wouldn't be up for consideration, everyone would just like them and nobody would like Tom or the shaggs. But there are people who genuinely do like Tom macdonald. And I genuinely do like the shaggs. I don't think they're good musicians but I get joy out of listening to them, purely because they're so unburdened by concepts of harmony, timing, quality. Maybe the way I enjoy the shaggs is not the same way I enjoy a band I like but the fact remains that I find enjoyment in it. If it were objectively bad, then i would be unable to find anything redeeming or enjoyable about it. If my taste is just bad then that kinda doesn't matter anyway does it? I'm still having fun.
Most of the people who overhype pet sounds or the white album know barely anything about that era.
He said "almost", and by that almost he ment collective.
First post, WORST post.
The success of pop indicate there may be innate musical preferences. Or maybe we are just conditioned for it.
music will improve in overall quality once people stop being social creatures and appreciate sound for sound, rather than the memories and culture and gain attached to sound
that has to happen before the objective quality of music can be gauged
So when music stops being music and becomes just meaningless noise, got it.
Music is almost entirely composed of absolute musical experience or associative experience.
All music is some degree composed of both. The balance varies.
Music like that of Bach's or Bebop jazz like Charlie Parker are almost entirely absolute experiences. These kinds of music aren't accompanied by any aesthetic or visual or storytelling stimuli, it is entirely musical. Music is experienced in relation to the harmonic series. The harmonic series in all humans determines order of consonance and dissonance This applies to every single ear on earth. You do not lack it nor do you lose it. You can leave this to be your only sense of music. The majority of people who attend jazz festivals and classical concerts don't use any sense beyond their hearing to enjoy music.
This absolute experience of music is the undercurrent of all musical experiences. Then you have associative experience. Music that involves, imagery, attitude, time and place. It is basically all genres besides traditional/folk genres (jazz, classical, folk, foreign traditional music). It has an expiry and can be completely based on timbre.
The major trends are
>focus on melody
>focus on harmony
>no storytelling (besides old tales that no longer carry a purpose of meaning or storytelling)
>focus on hook (melody, harmony, or timbre)
retarded american kys
it's only objective when I give my opinion on it
It's very simple. Anything I don't like is objectively bad, but outside of that everything else is subjective.
Art is objectve, only gigamidwits think otherwise
TASTE, however, is subjective
>How subjective is music?
How subjective is your auntie smoking my greasy old pork bong?
Objectively speaking resonance sounds good for all humans
that's about it
In terms of structure it's pretty damn objective. though our associations and metaphors for music are pretty subjective. It's complex
Music is subjective, but subjectivity can also be objectivity. Let me explain.
Certain music can only be understood by certain people. Because in order to have certain music resonate with you, you need to have had certain analogous experiences in life that make the music understandable. Because music is ultimately the abstract representation of the universe. Pop music is like the base material level, and 95% of people on the planet never make it past this, just like how spiritually they never make it beyond this point as well. Whereas the "great music" and "great albums" of the canon can only be enjoyed by a select few, but that doesn't mean they aren't objectively great just because they are only enjoyed by a minority.
Most people wouldn't disagree that rich people live better and more fulfilling lives and have more exciting and enriching experiences, and there is almost an objectivity and a consensus to that opinion. Yet only a minority of people on the planet are able to reap the benefits of being rich and successful and smart and all of the other things that show someone who has ascended beyond the pleb masses who get excited to see Taylor Swift. People who have never experienced being rich still "know" that being rich is objectively better than their current state. They just never make this connection with music and other areas of their life, which is why they never grow as people.
So the highest quality music requires the highest quality transcendent experiences in life. In order to understand some godly beautiful pieces of music, you need to have had an actual life experience on the same level.
To some extent. Great question buddy.
Everything is subjective.
But players may have their own relationship to music often different than non players
You can usually tell what type of person someone is by the music they listen to. I’m not a pretentious snob anymore though, and I think basically your identity around your taste makes you a boring person.
>How subjective is music?
in no way
whoever thinks music is subjective is a midwit-pseud who doesn't how music is being made
i used to think it was purely subjective but after becoming redpilled i find it hard to justify the idea that beethoven's 9th is equally "good," regardless of your definition, as lil pump's "gucci gang" or d4l's "laffy taffy." i'm coming more to believe that it's another post-modern mind virus designed to erode the idea of objective truth
good line of thinking, music is more like architecture than poetry
music is a function of culture. It is judged by how well it conforms with cultural normatives. Compare "genres" of sub cultures. Put rap lyrics in country. put country lyrics in rap.
>*twanging music* bitches, hoes, muh dik
not going to be accepted
>*boom boom clicky clicky* I'm a working man with worn old boots, Gots a pickup truck and I'm prouuuud to be a country boy
not going to be accepted
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