>can they get your phone number >that literally all your contacts already have >that your carrier has >that your carrier is selling to third parties >that all telemarketers already have
fucking IDIOT
oh shut up you fag. IF anyone is going to spy on you, Russia or China are objectively better than America. I wouldn't go as far as the other guy and knowingly install CCP spyware, but when choosing a service this is certainly something you could consider as an extra layer of protection.
Did you fall for one of those indian crypto scams or something, retard? >saar we have the videos of you doing the pleasure to the videos >Please send the bitcoins to the address or we send the police to arrest you >You will be behind the bars soon sar please send the bitcoins
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>i'm ok with people spying on me >if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear
>I'm ok with people spying on me, just as long as it's not me own country
Yes, I am. Because I don't live in Russia, I'm not likely to be banned for no reason, i'm not likely to be put on a watch list, and the company can't be subpoenaed.
By all means, it's better to use services not hosted in your own country.
>Are they 100% encrypted
No, they're not end-to-end encrypted. Even normal users can get a lot of information about you.
>Can they get your ip or phone number
Telegram creators obviously can, but so do users in many cases... They can get your phone number via bots that have large DB with user data. If at some point you participated in a group and your phone number was visible, a bot in that group could've easily added you to its DB and sell it to someone else. Why that happens? Some admins are dumbasses and they add 3rd party bots that manage spam,etc. And they don't take into account that these bots might spy or collect data on group's members
Regarding IPs, as long as I know - if you call someone and they have p2p call enable(so do you) - then you can see their IPs.
TLDR: no, telegram groups aren't safe, even if you don't do any crazy shit that can interest authorities.
If you're doing shit that has caught glowies attention then yes they can get your ip and phone number. Doesn't matter how "encrypted" your chats are they have exploits for everything related to electronic devices.
groups are encrypted server-side, not E2EE like secret chats
Telegram is also centralized, meaning there's a middleman between you and recipients in most cases (don't know how this works with secret chats)
ok for normal things you'd share but it's not anonymous or the most secure
if you want anonymity and E2EE there's Session which has none of this issues afaik
I've thought of downloading this app but I've heard when you make the account it automatically notifies everyone in your phone's contacts? Is that true?
it did notify people that had Telegram installed when i signed up years ago, i opted in to it reading my contact list though, it won't if you opt out and do that manually
1 . It only notifies people that have telegram
2. That person obviously gave telegram a contacts list permission
3. I hate you because you're so fucking retarded you couldn't figure this out yourself since it's so obvious an app couldn't possibly get your contacts list unless you explicitly gave it permissions on Android or iOS which has been a thing in both operating systems since 2000 fucking 9
Hang yourself for being so stupid. You're the exact reason why this board is shit now because of brain dead morons like you with zero sapience or ability to look up the most basic shit themselves.
>Are they 100% encrypted
no. use signal or session if privacy is critical. signal requires a phone number but the only data stored alongside that is the time you signed up (source - they got subpoenaed by feds). session requires no phone numbers. take your pick.
Set privacy settings to max and you will be fine in that respect.
The biggest vector for fuckery will be stylometry and poor opsec.
That is of course if you don't break any laws and piss off the israelite. Then everything post on there will be ganked and used against you in a court of humiliation. Even if you don't fedpost, just doing a heckin racism could be used against in court if something untowards goes down.
I think encrypted networks (like TOR) are safe from corporate snooping, but I suspect governments have infiltrated them.
I use TOR to dodge tracking by corporations, but I'm under no illusion that the government isn't watching. I've seen too many busts to believe otherwise.
go to website of each, just by looking at their websites you can easily distinguish which of them is a fed honeypot and which one actually has a solid product
Let's say that hypothetically I have a friend who hypothetically wants to share child porn, will he hypothetically get screwed if he hypothetically uses Telegram for that endevour?
>Can they get your ip or phone number
Yes. > why
Because they're stored on the server. You get its content when you sign in on a new device, meaning they're stored unencrypted.
Safest option is self hosted matrix server with federation turned off, but good luck getting all your friends on it unless they're like-minded schizos.
You shouldn't assume anything is 100% encrypted (whatever that means) on the Internet. Behave as if everything is in cleartext. Only pedos would have a problem here.
>Are they 100% encrypted . Can they get your ip or phone number
Well to be sure something is encrypted one would have to only directly connect IP to IP with the person they want to talk to using a forked and customized encryption. Anyone claiming otherwise is not telling the truth or has been gas-lit. Connecting directly to someone requires exposing an IP address. So you can't have both. If it's an app on a phone it's already game over thanks to proprietary baseband modems and closed code.
No one's gonna answer if telegram is safe
It's safe If you aren't a sexual deviant
>what is the answer to this question that has already been answer 10 trillion times in the archive
gee i wonder
have you considered reading the telegram website
>can they get your phone number
>that literally all your contacts already have
>that your carrier has
>that your carrier is selling to third parties
>that all telemarketers already have
fucking IDIOT
But telegram is Russian. They can't contact American isps if something happens
>i'm ok with people spying on me, just as long as it's not me own country
you are a super fucking retard, kill yourself
I'm OK with china or russia spying on me. They're enemies of America. Your retard if you don't see a difference . They don't cooperate with American
>i'm ok with being spied on
a child's mind everyone
They will just cycle that data through data brokers and it will eventually be bought buy an American company
it isn't that irrational. Russian police aren't gonna kick down your door in America and arrest you for thoughtcrime.
>i'm ok with people spying on me, just as long as it's not me own country
you are a super fucking retard, kill yourself
oh shut up you fag. IF anyone is going to spy on you, Russia or China are objectively better than America. I wouldn't go as far as the other guy and knowingly install CCP spyware, but when choosing a service this is certainly something you could consider as an extra layer of protection.
>i'm ok with people spying on me
hey nsa your bot is broken
Did you fall for one of those indian crypto scams or something, retard?
>saar we have the videos of you doing the pleasure to the videos
>Please send the bitcoins to the address or we send the police to arrest you
>You will be behind the bars soon sar please send the bitcoins
>i'm ok with people spying on me
>if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear
>I'm ok with people spying on me, just as long as it's not me own country
Yes, I am. Because I don't live in Russia, I'm not likely to be banned for no reason, i'm not likely to be put on a watch list, and the company can't be subpoenaed.
By all means, it's better to use services not hosted in your own country.
>i'm ok with people spying on me
Actually Ukrainian (A Russian owns but he left Russia).
100% spyware.
>he left Russia
Why? /misc/ told me russia was winning the war
israelites cut russia off swift now they cant send him money anymore
Durov left Russia in 2014 after the government took over VK, Telegram is registered in the British Virgin Islands and based in Dubai.
>Are they 100% encrypted
No, they're not end-to-end encrypted. Even normal users can get a lot of information about you.
>Can they get your ip or phone number
Telegram creators obviously can, but so do users in many cases... They can get your phone number via bots that have large DB with user data. If at some point you participated in a group and your phone number was visible, a bot in that group could've easily added you to its DB and sell it to someone else. Why that happens? Some admins are dumbasses and they add 3rd party bots that manage spam,etc. And they don't take into account that these bots might spy or collect data on group's members
Regarding IPs, as long as I know - if you call someone and they have p2p call enable(so do you) - then you can see their IPs.
TLDR: no, telegram groups aren't safe, even if you don't do any crazy shit that can interest authorities.
Creator of telegram is a WEF member and I'd bet intelligence services see everything clear text
Who is they?
If you're doing shit that has caught glowies attention then yes they can get your ip and phone number. Doesn't matter how "encrypted" your chats are they have exploits for everything related to electronic devices.
groups are encrypted server-side, not E2EE like secret chats
Telegram is also centralized, meaning there's a middleman between you and recipients in most cases (don't know how this works with secret chats)
ok for normal things you'd share but it's not anonymous or the most secure
if you want anonymity and E2EE there's Session which has none of this issues afaik
I've thought of downloading this app but I've heard when you make the account it automatically notifies everyone in your phone's contacts? Is that true?
it did notify people that had Telegram installed when i signed up years ago, i opted in to it reading my contact list though, it won't if you opt out and do that manually
1 . It only notifies people that have telegram
2. That person obviously gave telegram a contacts list permission
3. I hate you because you're so fucking retarded you couldn't figure this out yourself since it's so obvious an app couldn't possibly get your contacts list unless you explicitly gave it permissions on Android or iOS which has been a thing in both operating systems since 2000 fucking 9
Hang yourself for being so stupid. You're the exact reason why this board is shit now because of brain dead morons like you with zero sapience or ability to look up the most basic shit themselves.
I got work to do and pussy to fuck, dont got time to be on here all day catching up on all the latest news bruh.
You're a brain dead idiot who should kill himself.
>Are they 100% encrypted
no. use signal or session if privacy is critical. signal requires a phone number but the only data stored alongside that is the time you signed up (source - they got subpoenaed by feds). session requires no phone numbers. take your pick.
private communication is only possible between trusted parties. even if telegram was encrypted it wouldn't be safe. use your brain
What is a trusted party?
the police are already on the way. prepare to get fucko'd
I didn't do anything which violates us law
>Can they get your ip or phone number
You really shouldn't be using the internet if you're worried about this.
Nothing is truly encrypted. The only way to truly encrypt something is with keys that you have to manually share with others.
>blocks porn and rightwing memes
FUCKING WHY
porn
Works on my machine.
As long as you download the app/program directly from Telegram you can get around most of that. Dont download via app stores of any kind.
>blocks porn
I did not know that, but that is a huge mark in their favor.
Set privacy settings to max and you will be fine in that respect.
The biggest vector for fuckery will be stylometry and poor opsec.
That is of course if you don't break any laws and piss off the israelite. Then everything post on there will be ganked and used against you in a court of humiliation. Even if you don't fedpost, just doing a heckin racism could be used against in court if something untowards goes down.
Use Briar or Status.
I think encrypted networks (like TOR) are safe from corporate snooping, but I suspect governments have infiltrated them.
I use TOR to dodge tracking by corporations, but I'm under no illusion that the government isn't watching. I've seen too many busts to believe otherwise.
telegram protocol is not even encrypted
signal is better
go to website of each, just by looking at their websites you can easily distinguish which of them is a fed honeypot and which one actually has a solid product
hint: not signal
Only secure one on one chats are e2e encrypted.
Let's say that hypothetically I have a friend who hypothetically wants to share child porn, will he hypothetically get screwed if he hypothetically uses Telegram for that endevour?
Asking for a hypothetically friend.
>Can they get your ip or phone number
Yes.
> why
Because they're stored on the server. You get its content when you sign in on a new device, meaning they're stored unencrypted.
Not at all.
Safest option is self hosted matrix server with federation turned off, but good luck getting all your friends on it unless they're like-minded schizos.
You shouldn't assume anything is 100% encrypted (whatever that means) on the Internet. Behave as if everything is in cleartext. Only pedos would have a problem here.
>Are they 100% encrypted . Can they get your ip or phone number
Well to be sure something is encrypted one would have to only directly connect IP to IP with the person they want to talk to using a forked and customized encryption. Anyone claiming otherwise is not telling the truth or has been gas-lit. Connecting directly to someone requires exposing an IP address. So you can't have both. If it's an app on a phone it's already game over thanks to proprietary baseband modems and closed code.