Realistically, not too fucked. Most of the btc holdings for micro strategy isn't on leverage and he can just pay off debt payments for like 9 years. Btc could literally go to 0 and he'd still be "fine" as long as he makes the debt payments
And I'm telling you he literally can't because I went through the financial statements and he has 2B in net debt if you assume BTC is not worth anything and it's a company making pebbles.
I don't really care what a random anon thinks. If he said he could pay off the debt at 0, I believe him. You probably dob't have a full understanding of how they handle money
>If a grifter tells me something, I'll just believe it
No wonder Trump got elected so easily
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Dunning kruger effect
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hey dude, im open to being wrong if you can explain to me what I've missed. I'm just going off the financial reports. the company makes almost no money, that's for certain. as for the balance sheet, again maybe if there's some off-balance sheet stuff I could see it but I don't think so.
there's no need to be aggressive about it.
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>if you can explain to me what I've missed
You and I don't know their finances in totality. Simple as. There's nothing to discuss as there is not enough information to say if he's lying or not about his capability to make debt payments
can you provide evidence of this? because i cant find any. ive been looking pretty hard. im no expert, but as far as I can tell the book is 400m or so (going lower rn as bitcoin goes down) so currently he can afford to pay the debt off but if it goes below 14k and stays there I think he's in serious trouble.
So at current values of btc his company's book is probably somewhere around 500m. It's not negative, he's fine. But he's burned a huge amount of value for his company, and if it starts going below 15k he's in big trouble IMO.
The problem is, Microstrategy can not make money. They have completely unrealistic goals for revenue. Their last cash flow was around 70m. This is for a company that has 2.2 BILLION in debt.
Also the second largest portion of his debt matures in 2025.
I'd say he'll be find, he's not fucked, but anyone owning stock in Microstrategy should GTFO now.
It's a shame, he's been CEO of the company since it was founded in 1989.
Just more evidence that a company shouldn't have the same CEO for more than 4 or 5 years. IBM cycles thru it's CEOs in 4 or 5 years, and that's one reason why they have continued to survive to this day.
he'll be fucked if btc goes below 14k and stays there for at least 3 years. And his company is kind of worthless right now. He's also gonna be paying a lot of money on interest despite the low rate of 1.5%.
The big problem will be refinancing it.
This was a stupid fucking risk for him. He's already lost a tonne of money. Even if he's fine, which he could be, he's just done another dot com bubble where he's wiped out huge amounts of his net worth.
He's only fucked if clients look at him and say >Wait, this retard develops the software that manages our enterprise authentication?
The bitcoin stuff is treasury management, not the business itself. He's an idiot for not keeping a lower profile... but MicroStrategy has always been a lolcow.
Why is nobody talking about bitch ass musk and TSLA when last year they made most of their profit by holding BTC that means this quarter they’re going to be posting a loss of like 50-70% they would go bankrupt by holding, and if they sell the whole marionette theatre falls with it
musk is sort of old news though isn't he?
he already exposed himself as a fraudster and his boot licker cuck crew as a load of deplorables
saylor on the other hand hid behind a veneer of authenticity that stinky muskrat could only dream of having
He is sweating because the market is built on leverage. If BTC keep dropping, more and more assholes are gonna get liquidated. Its a vicious cycle. He is the biggest whale of them all and could be left holding bags.
The entire crypto space is full of used-car salesmen, scammers, and complete losers who fell upwards in traditional finance and were laughed out of their office. People knew this, why the FUCK did you all still trust these people?
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OPM my friend
other people's money
it's the only way to play the game
yep, he's not losing
Realistically, not too fucked. Most of the btc holdings for micro strategy isn't on leverage and he can just pay off debt payments for like 9 years. Btc could literally go to 0 and he'd still be "fine" as long as he makes the debt payments
He can't make the debt payments if BTC goes to zero and read above post re: debt structure.
He actually totally relies on his BTC holdings not to go too far down from here for his balance sheet to remain okay.
>He can't make the debt payments if BTC goes to zero
He literally said he could in an interview
And I'm telling you he literally can't because I went through the financial statements and he has 2B in net debt if you assume BTC is not worth anything and it's a company making pebbles.
I don't really care what a random anon thinks. If he said he could pay off the debt at 0, I believe him. You probably dob't have a full understanding of how they handle money
>If a grifter tells me something, I'll just believe it
No wonder Trump got elected so easily
Dunning kruger effect
hey dude, im open to being wrong if you can explain to me what I've missed. I'm just going off the financial reports. the company makes almost no money, that's for certain. as for the balance sheet, again maybe if there's some off-balance sheet stuff I could see it but I don't think so.
there's no need to be aggressive about it.
>if you can explain to me what I've missed
You and I don't know their finances in totality. Simple as. There's nothing to discuss as there is not enough information to say if he's lying or not about his capability to make debt payments
maybe that's true, but just in case you didn't know gullible is written on the ceiling.
You realise he lost 99% of his net worth in the dot com bubble right ? do you think he's suddenly trustworthy now
Re-read what I said and you'll get your answer
>not to go too far down from here
3500, he'll be ok
can you provide evidence of this? because i cant find any. ive been looking pretty hard. im no expert, but as far as I can tell the book is 400m or so (going lower rn as bitcoin goes down) so currently he can afford to pay the debt off but if it goes below 14k and stays there I think he's in serious trouble.
as for being margin called, 3.5k might be about right. but the threat isn't really a margin call, it's being unable to pay off the debt long term.
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I read the last report on microstrategy.
So at current values of btc his company's book is probably somewhere around 500m. It's not negative, he's fine. But he's burned a huge amount of value for his company, and if it starts going below 15k he's in big trouble IMO.
The problem is, Microstrategy can not make money. They have completely unrealistic goals for revenue. Their last cash flow was around 70m. This is for a company that has 2.2 BILLION in debt.
Also the second largest portion of his debt matures in 2025.
You tell me how fucked he is.
I'd say he'll be find, he's not fucked, but anyone owning stock in Microstrategy should GTFO now.
It's a shame, he's been CEO of the company since it was founded in 1989.
Just more evidence that a company shouldn't have the same CEO for more than 4 or 5 years. IBM cycles thru it's CEOs in 4 or 5 years, and that's one reason why they have continued to survive to this day.
he'll be fucked if btc goes below 14k and stays there for at least 3 years. And his company is kind of worthless right now. He's also gonna be paying a lot of money on interest despite the low rate of 1.5%.
The big problem will be refinancing it.
This was a stupid fucking risk for him. He's already lost a tonne of money. Even if he's fine, which he could be, he's just done another dot com bubble where he's wiped out huge amounts of his net worth.
He's only fucked if clients look at him and say
>Wait, this retard develops the software that manages our enterprise authentication?
The bitcoin stuff is treasury management, not the business itself. He's an idiot for not keeping a lower profile... but MicroStrategy has always been a lolcow.
Why is nobody talking about bitch ass musk and TSLA when last year they made most of their profit by holding BTC that means this quarter they’re going to be posting a loss of like 50-70% they would go bankrupt by holding, and if they sell the whole marionette theatre falls with it
musk is sort of old news though isn't he?
he already exposed himself as a fraudster and his boot licker cuck crew as a load of deplorables
saylor on the other hand hid behind a veneer of authenticity that stinky muskrat could only dream of having
I nominate this as retard post of the day.
I thought musk sold months back?
so what your saying is to go all in on 3x leveraged shorts a few days before Q2 TSLA earnings
>biggest loser of dotcom bubble
>biggest loser of crypto bubble
checks out
the way he talks about bitcoin is beyond deranged
ayyy i got puts guys lets gooooo. FUCK SAYLOR. Up there with the like of Tom Lee and shit
He is sweating because the market is built on leverage. If BTC keep dropping, more and more assholes are gonna get liquidated. Its a vicious cycle. He is the biggest whale of them all and could be left holding bags.
Where does all the BTC from all these liquidations go to?
the counter party just sells the collateral
that is why we are having now such irrational dumps
Dudes so coked out he doesn’t even realize what’s happening
finally after all these years this smug bastard and his fuckin old timey sailing ship background are getting demolished fuck you dude
let me put it this way, I would be very suprised if he wont commit suicide this night.
The entire crypto space is full of used-car salesmen, scammers, and complete losers who fell upwards in traditional finance and were laughed out of their office. People knew this, why the FUCK did you all still trust these people?