How do you refute the Muslim claim that everyone is born a Muslim?

Everyone is born in a default state of pure monotheism. Muslims often back it up with studies done from prominent universities. What's your reply to that? I've never seen it refuted

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Authorities then moved her into the first of what would become a series of institutions for disabled adults, and the people running it cut her off from almost everyone she knew and subjected her to extreme physical and emotional abuse.
      >As a result, her physical and mental health severely deteriorated, and her newly acquired language and behavioral skills very rapidly regressed.

      >Be feral child
      >come in contact with society
      >stop being feral
      >be subjected to american "healthcare"
      >become feral again
      Do they really?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So what? Is this some weird materialist cope claiming that language generates inner experience?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Muslim by definition means 'one who submits to God' in Arabic. Newborn babies have no concept of God.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How do you refute the Muslim claim that everyone is born a Muslim?
      Simple, it's presented without evidence or argument and therefore can be dismissed without either of those.

      Muslims cite studies done at places like Oxford and Cambridge which show belief in One God in children.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        post them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >which show belief in One God in children.
        Yeah, God. Not whatever heresy demon the sand """""people""""" worship.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We worship God

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jehovah is God and you don't worship Jehovah. Muslims are atheists

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is no God but God, and Muhammed (pbuh) is his messenger.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isaiah 45:5 - "I am JEHOVAH and beside Me, there is no god.

                You are atheist and so was muhammad

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There only one God. You can call him whatever name you'd like, as long as it is respectful

                reminder to make these your final words if possible

                Inshallah I will

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                “You, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18

                Those who do not serve God are atheists. Muslims do not serve Jehovah God. Muslims are atheists

                Christianity is the perfect, most absolute monotheistic devotion to the Majestic.

                You dedicate yourself to the wind

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What is 'Jehovah' God and how is he different from Allah?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                JEHOVAH is the most sacred name in existence. The One True God is JEHOVAH and no one else.

                There is no God other than him. Jehovah is eternal, omniscient, and omnipotent.

                Jehovah has always existed and will always exist.

                Jehovah can know everything that can be known.

                Jehovah can do anything that can be done.

                Jehovah has no shape or form.
                Jehovah can't be seen.
                Jehovah can't be heard.
                Jehovah is neither male nor female.
                Jehovah is just.
                Jehovah rewards and punishes fairly.
                But Jehovah is also merciful.

                A believer can approach Jehovah by praying, and by studying the Bible.

                I worship only Jehovah because only Jehovah is worthy of worship.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally all of those attributes are attributes of Allah, except for the Bible part, which has been corrupted. Read the Quran

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Allah is a pagan idol from Muhammad's imagination.

                Allah tortures people in everlasting hellfire. Only heathen characters do this cruel act.

                “Jehovah is a God who requires exclusive devotion.”—NAHUM 1:2

                The prophets of old all sang the praises of JEHOVAH GOD.

                Noah did. Abraham did. Moses did. Jesus did.

                Has Muhammad ? Nowhere is the Holy Name found in his diary.

                You do not sing his praises, you do not believe in the One True God.

                >except for the Bible part, which has been corrupted.

                ASHA LILLAH!!!

                We, human beings, just mud of the earth, altered God's words ?????

                Impossible !!!!!

                People altered their teachings this is true, but the Word of the ALMIGHTY ????

                This is BLASPHEMY

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Allah tortures people in everlasting hellfire
                That's your objection?
                Why should non-believers be granted heaven?
                I don't understand the why the exact word "Jehovah" is so important. It's a Hebrew word; so by your logic, non-Hebrews can't believe in God because they use a different word.

                The word of God hasn't changed, but the originals texts have been corrupted.
                Show me the originals of the Bible

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's your objection?

                Hell doesn't exist, it's a pagan doctrine that already existed in Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Indian and Greek religion. It was then adopted by professed "christians" and later by islam.

                Eternal torment would violate God’s justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4) When the first man, Adam, sinned, God told him that his punishment would simply be to pass out of existence:
                “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)

                God would have been LYING if he were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell !!!

                God does not even contemplate eternal torment !!

                The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is CONTRARY to the Bible’s teaching that “God is LOVE.”—1 John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31.
                >Why should non-believers be granted heaven?

                Who said they were ?

                >I don't understand the why the exact word "Jehovah" is so important. It's a Hebrew word; so by your logic, non-Hebrews can't believe in God because they use a different word.

                Jehovah means "I Will Become What I Choose to Become."—Exodus 3:14.

                Jehovah makes things happen by becoming whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purpose.

                Jehovah can also cause his imperfect human servants to become what is needed in order to serve him and fulfill his purpose. (Isaiah 64:8)

                In these ways, Jehovah causes his will to be carried out. NOTHING can stop him from causing his purposes to be fulfilled. (Isa. 46:10, 11)

                We can build our appreciation for our heavenly Father by meditating on what he has done and what he has enabled us to do.

                For instance, when we meditate on the wonders of creation, we are filled with awe at what Jehovah has accomplished, what he has caused to come into existence. (Ps. 8:3, 4)

                And when we meditate on what Jehovah has caused us to become so that we can do his will, we develop deep respect for him. The name Jehovah really is awe-inspiring! It includes all that our Father is, all that he has done, and all that he will do.—Psalms 89:7, 8

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The word of God hasn't changed, but the originals texts have been corrupted

                The prophet Isaiah stated that God’s word “endures forever.” (Isaiah 40:8)

                We can we be SURE that God’s promises have been preserved accurately.

                The Almighty God has the power to preserve his Word and to prevent it from being corrupted.

                In ancient times, when handwritten copies were made, careful copyists counted every letter of the holy text to be certain nothing was added, changed, or omitted.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can take a pen and change stuff in the Bible.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Read the Quran

                I have.

                This book is absolutely nothing like the Bible

                If I ask you what is the story of the Bible, you can tell me the story of Adam and Eve, the flood, the tower of Babel, the exodus, king David, Jonas and the whale, the conquest of Babylon, the miracles of Jesus,
                the conversion of Paul, the spread of Christianity, the book of Revelation

                You can answer because the book traces the history of mankind, Israel and the Messiah savior of the universe in a connected storyline that tell one unified story: how God will establish his rule over earth !

                The Quran is completely different. Can you tell me the story of the Quran ?

                No you cannot

                It is very disjointed, there is no consistent story, it's just "Allah is great" repeated ad-nauseum with some bits of bible stories badly summarized and plagirized talmudic verses.

                The worst part of all for me is that God is completely absent from this book.

                In the Bible, God is an actual being. He talks to people, he does miracles, he frees the Hebrews, he makes fire come down from heaven, he reassures his worshippers, he sends angels to them, he shares his feelings and what he will do.

                There is nothing of the sort in the Quran because Allah convinently only talks to one person (Muhammad). There are no miracles at all, it is just one man speaking throughout the whole book claiming to receive revelations from Allah. Most of the book is him speaking ABOUT Allah instead of Allah actually DOING something.

                The muslims to whom he speaks have no actual evidence of his prophethood, or that Allah exists. The rest of the book is judicial and legal matters, these were written when Muhammad took control of Medina and was establishing his political power before conquering the otehr cities, again claiming that it is all part of Allah's plan.

                These two books really aren't comparable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stale pasta

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do JEHOVA's Witnesses cope with the fact that JEHOVA is a made up word created by combining the consonants from YHVH with the vowels from Adonai?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jehovah is english for YHWH. It comes from Latin IEHOVAH, which comes from the Tetragrammaton and the vowels of Adonai.

                In English we say Jehovah, because that is how it has been pronounced for centuries.

                In other languages, they ronounce it differently. Yahwa in Arabic, Ehoba in Japanese, Yahweh in Hebrew.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yahweh in Hebrew.
                So you admit you are saying it wrong just because english speakers said it wrong in the past

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There only one God. You can call him whatever name you'd like, as long as it is respectful
                [...]
                Inshallah I will

                >t. literal man worshiper

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                whoopsie

                “You, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18

                Those who do not serve God are atheists. Muslims do not serve Jehovah God. Muslims are atheists

                Christianity is the perfect, most absolute monotheistic devotion to the Majestic.

                You dedicate yourself to the wind

                not

                There only one God. You can call him whatever name you'd like, as long as it is respectful
                [...]
                Inshallah I will

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                reminder to make these your final words if possible

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are these studies replicated? How were they conducted? Who was the sample group? etc, etc, etc

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Big think tanks promote big Islam in Europe to cater to those people and produce epistemic findings out of thin air for confirmation bias

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you keep talking about studies done by prominent universities that prove it but haven't posted a single one so far.
        low tier bait really

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        can you cite studies done at places like Oxford and Cambridge which show that an arab warlord from the 6th century flew on a winged donkey to heaven?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How do you refute the Muslim claim that everyone is born a Muslim?
    Simple, it's presented without evidence or argument and therefore can be dismissed without either of those.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I've never seen it refuted
    I've never seen refutation that all living organisms are in fact Muslim, even pigs and shellfish.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >And we have got proof and evidence that every child, he is born on Deenul Fitr. There were researches done on 2 tribes, the Kapaku tribe and the Australian Aborigine tribe. These 2 tribes did not come in contact with modern civilization till as late as 1950 and later on when researchers went and tried to find out what was their way of life, it was everything of Islam but in name they did not call themselves Muslims but they believed in one God, they believe that God did not have any idols or images, they believe He was not begotten.When they worshipped the God, they did the Sujood, they prostrated, they were following the basics of Islam but they didn’t call themselves Muslims. So if we let a child after he is born if we do not influence him with any of the teachings that child will grow up to be a Muslim. That is the Deenul Fitr, innate religion.
    This is outright fucking lying. preachers and apologists the most dishonest people on earth, no wonder a lot of nations killed them

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheists are pissed but it's true. Whenever anyone goes through a near-death experience they cry out "God help me!", not "Science help me!"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >atheists when they say oh my god instead oh my scientific research

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >everyone is born a Muslim
    >requires book to teach people about Islam

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We are born perfect without sins. We pray to forgive out later sins

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With violence

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If every baby is born a Muslim why do they need to be taught Islam

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We are born perfect without sins. We pray to forgive out later sins

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That doesn't answer the question at all

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah it does. We all eventually sin, so we pray to God to forgive out sins. Of course we need to learn how to pray as well as do other good deeds, like charity and taking care of your parents.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I never asked anything about sin, I asked how can a baby be Muslim if it doesn't know anything about Islam.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because the baby hasn't sinned. There is no such thing as original sin; we are all born perfect.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So if you don't sin you're Muslim

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. We do good deeds to make up for our sins.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So when you sin you cease to be a Muslim until you make up for it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You aren't a Muslim if don't believe that there is no God but God and Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him) is his prophet. Babies are born with this knowledge, but their environment misleads them.
                https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2012/10/06/every-child-born-fitrah-nature/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Babies are born with this knowledge, but their environment misleads them.
                lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's true.

                >Read the Quran

                I have.

                This book is absolutely nothing like the Bible

                If I ask you what is the story of the Bible, you can tell me the story of Adam and Eve, the flood, the tower of Babel, the exodus, king David, Jonas and the whale, the conquest of Babylon, the miracles of Jesus,
                the conversion of Paul, the spread of Christianity, the book of Revelation

                You can answer because the book traces the history of mankind, Israel and the Messiah savior of the universe in a connected storyline that tell one unified story: how God will establish his rule over earth !

                The Quran is completely different. Can you tell me the story of the Quran ?

                No you cannot

                It is very disjointed, there is no consistent story, it's just "Allah is great" repeated ad-nauseum with some bits of bible stories badly summarized and plagirized talmudic verses.

                The worst part of all for me is that God is completely absent from this book.

                In the Bible, God is an actual being. He talks to people, he does miracles, he frees the Hebrews, he makes fire come down from heaven, he reassures his worshippers, he sends angels to them, he shares his feelings and what he will do.

                There is nothing of the sort in the Quran because Allah convinently only talks to one person (Muhammad). There are no miracles at all, it is just one man speaking throughout the whole book claiming to receive revelations from Allah. Most of the book is him speaking ABOUT Allah instead of Allah actually DOING something.

                The muslims to whom he speaks have no actual evidence of his prophethood, or that Allah exists. The rest of the book is judicial and legal matters, these were written when Muhammad took control of Medina and was establishing his political power before conquering the otehr cities, again claiming that it is all part of Allah's plan.

                These two books really aren't comparable.

                >This book is absolutely nothing like the Bible

                Indeed. Unlike the Bible, it's a 100% correct.

                >you can tell me the story of Adam and Eve
                In the Quran
                >exodus
                The correct story of Moses (pbuh) is in the Quran
                > king David
                In the Quran
                >Jonas and the whale
                In the Quran
                >the miracles of Jesus (pbuh)
                In the Quran

                Did you even read it?
                > Allah convinently only talks to one person (Muhammad)
                HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

                Read Surah Maryam
                Read Surah Al-Baqara (the longest chapter)

                The fact that you think other prophets aren't discussed in the Quran proves to me you haven't read it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact that you think other prophets aren't discussed in the Quran proves to me you haven't read it.

                You read without reading. I didn't say such, I said that Muhammad distorts the Bible stories, since he was a merchant incapable of reading. He simply repeated the stories he heard,m (or made them up), no matter how innacurate.

                The incorruptible truth is found in the Holy Bible is the Book of which there is no doubt, it is a divine guide for the righteous and I invite you to read it.

                Free yourself from the superstition of Mecca. And embrace the Holy Word of the True God JEHOVAH.

                There is no Savior except him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The stories were revealed to him by Angel Jibriel

                How many books are in the Bible?

                https://www.ranker.com/list/has-the-bible-changed/jacob-shelton

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The stories were revealed to him by Angel Jibriel

                in the ancient sayings of the desert fathers from the 3rd century (see the picture: https://jwtalk.net/uploads/monthly_2022_07/1648727365269.png.064e0822ab9950bfdb3104b0d9cf1ac1.png ), this exact situation is mentioned in which Satan appears to a monk and identifies himself as Gabriel. But the monk is humble and considers himself unworthy of an angelic visitation and thus Satan leaves him.

                Muhammad was not the first attempt which Satan made to start islam !

                So 300 years before Muhammad, it was already believed that a demon would masquerade himself as an angel.

                The monks didn't fall for it, but Muhammad did. Again, this was 300 years before islam

                source of quotation: https://www.google.fr/books/edition/The_Desert_Fathers/UkbZy7-SqjkC

                >How many books are in the Bible?

                There are 66 books, which again I invite you to read.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >babies all are born with the knowledge of an Arab merchant who lived 1400 years ago and thousands of miles away before they can crawl

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But how come that everyone then feels familiar with the creed of Islam the moment they hear it? As if they already knew it, but forgot it before?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But how come that everyone then feels familiar with the creed of Islam the moment they hear it?
                prove it, you can't just make up claims and then refuse to back them up.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What the fuck is an Islam?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wallah… the true faith…

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For the same reason as they need to be taught gow to walk, run, swim etc

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are isolated tribespeople generally polytheistic/animist with no idea about Allah? Is the excuse that the djinn tricked them?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most polytheists can a concept of an original creator of the universe. But the devil can mislead us

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I… can’t… Wallah… the true faith…

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Allah has no basis for forgiveness. His mercy is entirely whimsical. This betrays how the utter arbitrary nature of Muhammad. He would forgive a criminal of his deeds, and the next prisonner brough to him he would behead despite commiting the exact same crime.

    Allah is as unreliable as Muhammad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Allah is the most merciful.
      What specific actions are you talking about?

      >That's your objection?

      Hell doesn't exist, it's a pagan doctrine that already existed in Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Indian and Greek religion. It was then adopted by professed "christians" and later by islam.

      Eternal torment would violate God’s justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4) When the first man, Adam, sinned, God told him that his punishment would simply be to pass out of existence:
      “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)

      God would have been LYING if he were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell !!!

      God does not even contemplate eternal torment !!

      The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is CONTRARY to the Bible’s teaching that “God is LOVE.”—1 John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31.
      >Why should non-believers be granted heaven?

      Who said they were ?

      >I don't understand the why the exact word "Jehovah" is so important. It's a Hebrew word; so by your logic, non-Hebrews can't believe in God because they use a different word.

      Jehovah means "I Will Become What I Choose to Become."—Exodus 3:14.

      Jehovah makes things happen by becoming whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purpose.

      Jehovah can also cause his imperfect human servants to become what is needed in order to serve him and fulfill his purpose. (Isaiah 64:8)

      In these ways, Jehovah causes his will to be carried out. NOTHING can stop him from causing his purposes to be fulfilled. (Isa. 46:10, 11)

      We can build our appreciation for our heavenly Father by meditating on what he has done and what he has enabled us to do.

      For instance, when we meditate on the wonders of creation, we are filled with awe at what Jehovah has accomplished, what he has caused to come into existence. (Ps. 8:3, 4)

      And when we meditate on what Jehovah has caused us to become so that we can do his will, we develop deep respect for him. The name Jehovah really is awe-inspiring! It includes all that our Father is, all that he has done, and all that he will do.—Psalms 89:7, 8

      >Hell doesn't exist
      Stopped reading. You will know sooner rather than later if hell is real

      >The word of God hasn't changed, but the originals texts have been corrupted

      The prophet Isaiah stated that God’s word “endures forever.” (Isaiah 40:8)

      We can we be SURE that God’s promises have been preserved accurately.

      The Almighty God has the power to preserve his Word and to prevent it from being corrupted.

      In ancient times, when handwritten copies were made, careful copyists counted every letter of the holy text to be certain nothing was added, changed, or omitted.

      You don't understand. God's word hasn't changed, but people have lied and said something is God's word when it isn't.
      >The Almighty God has the power to preserve his Word and to prevent it from being corrupted.
      The preservation of Allah's word is a test for us believers. This is why we have so many Hafiz

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Allah is the most merciful.

        In Islam, there is no guarantee of salvation except in one instance, dying in Jihad.

        Jihad is the struggle – the battle against those who would oppose Islam and what Islam stands for. This is very important because, in the Muslim religion, there is no guarantee of salvation.

        Then, he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) heavy, 7 Will be in a life of good pleasure and satisfaction. 8 But he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) light,– 9 Will have his home in a (bottomless) Pit. (Surah 101:6-9)

        In Islam, there is no assurance that the Muslim will be forgiven of his sins. As you can see, the Quran teaches a system of works’ righteousness.

        Therefore, no Muslim can ever know whether or not he has done enough good in order to please Allah. This is a burden that many Muslims do not like to bear.

        How different it is for the True God Jehovah !

        Those who put faith in his Son and obey his commandments are GUARANTEED to be SAVED !

        Allah does whatever he pleases. Jehovah is bound to his promise, because Jehovah is TRUTH, and in him there is NO lie.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We have all sinned. No one deserves or is entitled to heaven. Only through the mercy of Allah can we go there.

          Jihad is the struggle for Islam. Internal jihad is the greater jihad. External Jihad can mean
          1. Fighting for the Islamic system of governance
          2. Getting people to convert (forced conversions don't count because they don't genuinely mean it)
          3. Debunking non-believers like yourself
          4. Defending another Muslim from violence

          Entitlement is very dangerous. We are non entitled to heaven, but through the mercy of Allah we can reach heaven.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have read the Qu'ran. You believe that all your good actions will be weighed against the bad ones. If you have more good actions than bad ones, you will go to Jannah. (This is exactly what happens in Egyptian mythology btw https://www.worldhistory.org/article/42/the-egyptian-afterlife--the-feather-of-truth/ )

            That is why you have been refuring all the arguments pointing to your religion as fabricated.

            You believe that by defending your prophet like this, Allah will see it and will add to your good actions. Yet you told me that your religion is not work, which is clearly false.

            Muhammad told again and again to his followers that whiever dies in battle during Jihad will attain the highest honnors in Jannah. That is why there are many muslims who believe that killing those they believe disrespected their prophet are doing a good action for Allah and that their balance will be in favor of their fanatism.

            This reminds me of Vikings, who din't fear going to wars because they believed that they would immediately be in Valhallah if they died in battle

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Stopped reading. You will know sooner rather than later if hell is real

        You yave merely adopted a pagan belief of the Babylonians, which they got from a lie of Satan.

        It was Satan, in the garden of Eden, (at Genesis 3:1-5,) who contradicted God outright, saying, "You positively will not die," and that we are "bound to be like God." Thus was born the concept of the immortality of the soul and from it, all manner of guesswork about what happens to this immortal soul was born and developed. As a result, the first destructive religion against God was born, bringing death to its adherents, using the doctrine of the immortality of the soul to control people with intimidation, providing a self-reinforcing dogma that keeps people trapped into the belief out of fear of burning in eternal judgment in an afterlife, and trapped into whatever else the deceiver tells them.

        Of this one, Jesus said, "The Devil was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44)

        Should you listen to even a single word of that liar ?

        >God's word hasn't changed, but people have lied and said something is God's word when it isn't.

        Another blasphemy that comes out of your mouth. We know that God has kept the Holy Scriptures in a pure form for us today. God Almighty can protect his own book. His Word states:
        “The green grass has dried up, the blossom has withered; but as for the word of our God, it will last to time indefinite.”—Isaiah 40:8.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >We know that God has kept the Holy Scriptures in a pure form for us today.
          Again, the word of God is different from the written word of God. We can't move on if you don't understand this

          >The preservation of Allah's word is a test for us believers

          Did you know that today’s Quran, which was not put together by one of the teachers Muhammad named, is but one of multiple Quranic canons, the one that received official approval by the caliphate and became the standard text when the rest were burned ?

          That’s right !

          The first burning of the Quran was actually ordered by Caliph Uthman, who recalled all the variant manuscripts, destroyed them by fire, and issued an official, standardized version according to his reading

          The Quran’s textual transmission is pockmarked by human artifice and intervention, and NONE of the other arguments for the Quran’s inspiration bear the weight of scrutiny !

          Another fact you are ignoring is that given the nature of Arabic during Muhammad’s life, the Quran was not written but orally known, and by memory. Muhammad would recite the same verse multiple ways, and so would his followers. He would also cancel previous texts through so-called abrogation

          Muhammad would tell his followers that certain portions of the Quran he had relayed before were no longer to be recited as part of the Quran.

          Therefore, if Muhammad needed part of the text to go away, he would replace it with another and tell his followers to stop reciting the earlier text and forget it.

          The Bible NEVER underwent this sort of abrogation !!

          Nope. Uthman (r.a) merely compiled a single Quran to standardize pronunciation from different Arabic accents. Quiraat doesn't have different meanings.
          >He would also cancel previous texts through so-called abrogation. >Muhammad would tell his followers that certain portions of the Quran he had relayed before were no longer to be recited as part of the Quran.
          Which verse are you talking about?

          >The stories were revealed to him by Angel Jibriel

          in the ancient sayings of the desert fathers from the 3rd century (see the picture: https://jwtalk.net/uploads/monthly_2022_07/1648727365269.png.064e0822ab9950bfdb3104b0d9cf1ac1.png ), this exact situation is mentioned in which Satan appears to a monk and identifies himself as Gabriel. But the monk is humble and considers himself unworthy of an angelic visitation and thus Satan leaves him.

          Muhammad was not the first attempt which Satan made to start islam !

          So 300 years before Muhammad, it was already believed that a demon would masquerade himself as an angel.

          The monks didn't fall for it, but Muhammad did. Again, this was 300 years before islam

          source of quotation: https://www.google.fr/books/edition/The_Desert_Fathers/UkbZy7-SqjkC

          >How many books are in the Bible?

          There are 66 books, which again I invite you to read.

          How do you know Satan wasn't disguised as an angel when he talked to Paul?
          And the miracles of Muhammed (pbuh) plus the fact that the Quran has no errors, unlike the Bible, proves Islam is true.

          https://www.islamic-awareness.org/bible/text/
          https://www.islamic-awareness.org/bible/text/
          https://www.islamic-awareness.org/bible/sources/
          https://www.islamic-awareness.org/bible/text/canon/

          I have read the Qu'ran. You believe that all your good actions will be weighed against the bad ones. If you have more good actions than bad ones, you will go to Jannah. (This is exactly what happens in Egyptian mythology btw https://www.worldhistory.org/article/42/the-egyptian-afterlife--the-feather-of-truth/ )

          That is why you have been refuring all the arguments pointing to your religion as fabricated.

          You believe that by defending your prophet like this, Allah will see it and will add to your good actions. Yet you told me that your religion is not work, which is clearly false.

          Muhammad told again and again to his followers that whiever dies in battle during Jihad will attain the highest honnors in Jannah. That is why there are many muslims who believe that killing those they believe disrespected their prophet are doing a good action for Allah and that their balance will be in favor of their fanatism.

          This reminds me of Vikings, who din't fear going to wars because they believed that they would immediately be in Valhallah if they died in battle

          > Yet you told me that your religion is not work, which is clearly false.
          What do you mean? Being a pious Muslim means struggling against the devil

          >You believe that all your good actions will be weighed against the bad ones. If you have more good actions than bad ones, you will go to Jannah
          I already explained that we are not entitled to Jannah. You understand that Muslims can be punished in the afterlife?

          I will end this conversation by saying that there is only one religion that can actually save your life.

          Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life" (John 14:6)

          True religion highlights Jesus Christ as the one through whom God grants salvation. (Acts 4:10, 12)

          Its followers obey Jesus’ commands and strive to follow his example.—John 13:15; 15:14.

          We can do this by reading the Holy Scriptures.

          Inspired Scriptures, including the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospels, may be found in the Holy Bible, the most widely translated and distributed book in the world !

          Do you have a copy of these inspired writings ?

          If not, please refer to this presentation of what the Word of God is actually about:

          https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2020-sep-oct/eternal-blessings-from-loving-god/

          I will pray that, if there is one once of sincere piety left in your heart, you will read it and turn to Jehovah.

          Jehovah is our FATHER and our FATHER always keeps his word because he LOVES us

          Our God is reliable and consistent and I am proud to worship the ONE TRUE GOD, the maker of heaven and earth, the Sovereign Lord of the Universe, the One who keeps life and death within his hands !

          >Jehovah is our FATHER
          God is one.
          God is one.
          No father, no mother, no sister, no son
          God is God and there will always be one

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The preservation of Allah's word is a test for us believers

        Did you know that today’s Quran, which was not put together by one of the teachers Muhammad named, is but one of multiple Quranic canons, the one that received official approval by the caliphate and became the standard text when the rest were burned ?

        That’s right !

        The first burning of the Quran was actually ordered by Caliph Uthman, who recalled all the variant manuscripts, destroyed them by fire, and issued an official, standardized version according to his reading

        The Quran’s textual transmission is pockmarked by human artifice and intervention, and NONE of the other arguments for the Quran’s inspiration bear the weight of scrutiny !

        Another fact you are ignoring is that given the nature of Arabic during Muhammad’s life, the Quran was not written but orally known, and by memory. Muhammad would recite the same verse multiple ways, and so would his followers. He would also cancel previous texts through so-called abrogation

        Muhammad would tell his followers that certain portions of the Quran he had relayed before were no longer to be recited as part of the Quran.

        Therefore, if Muhammad needed part of the text to go away, he would replace it with another and tell his followers to stop reciting the earlier text and forget it.

        The Bible NEVER underwent this sort of abrogation !!

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Muslim apologetics is SO cringe

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will end this conversation by saying that there is only one religion that can actually save your life.

    Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life" (John 14:6)

    True religion highlights Jesus Christ as the one through whom God grants salvation. (Acts 4:10, 12)

    Its followers obey Jesus’ commands and strive to follow his example.—John 13:15; 15:14.

    We can do this by reading the Holy Scriptures.

    Inspired Scriptures, including the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospels, may be found in the Holy Bible, the most widely translated and distributed book in the world !

    Do you have a copy of these inspired writings ?

    If not, please refer to this presentation of what the Word of God is actually about:

    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2020-sep-oct/eternal-blessings-from-loving-god/

    I will pray that, if there is one once of sincere piety left in your heart, you will read it and turn to Jehovah.

    Jehovah is our FATHER and our FATHER always keeps his word because he LOVES us

    Our God is reliable and consistent and I am proud to worship the ONE TRUE GOD, the maker of heaven and earth, the Sovereign Lord of the Universe, the One who keeps life and death within his hands !

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Keep in mind that Jesus lived a sinless life and he became the ultimate sacrifice for us, that means there is nothing in our power that we can do to reach God's standard, not if I made 7000 prayers or if I gave money to the poor or saying hamdulillah enough times. None of that matters, There is NOTHING we can NEVER reach God's perfect, amazing standard.

    And so it is thanks to God, NOT because of my doing, my actions, my glory.

    Rather it is because of Jehovah God, for his sacrifice. It is to HIM we give the glory and not our actions. That is why I believe Christianity is a God-glorifying centered religion and not a human-boasting religion.

    That is the meaning of Jesus' death.

    We must look at ourselves and see how we as humans SIN everyday. We commit haram every single day. We will never be able to reach the righteouness that God asks of us, we will never have the power to do so.

    So I not only ask you, I urge you to put your faith in his death, so that you may carry God's righteousness !

    I wish you peace despite our differences, but know that this peace is will not last.

    The Bible teaches that very SOON, the world will end and Judgement Day will come.

    Providing portents of this time will be a terrible "tribulation" -- widespread moral failings, great battles, natural disasters, evil forces, Gog and Magog.

    But also 144,000 kings assisted by the prophet and king ʿĪsā, who returns to earth to defeat the forces of evil and bring PEACE and JUSTICE throughout the world.

    These portents of chaos and corruption abroad the earth are preceded by signs which are unfolding RIGHT NOW !

    All you have to do now is keep trusting in Jehovah and he will guard you under his protection.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a muslim believes there is only one god
    99% of people before jesus christ was born were polytheists or animists
    therefore, for the entirety of human history until Christianity and Islam, tens of billions of people had their natural belief corrupted and never returned to it or thought anything was wrong, and nobody prior to Abraham ever had the idea that there was only one God despite the fact that everyone was born believing it, and even when humans lived in accordance with nature, they still believed things that were against their nature, and nobody in Europe or in Asia or in Africa could come up with the idea of there being one God until Christians and Muslims started spreading it there, even though they were all born muslims

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God does not punish a people until he sends them a prophet.
      17:15

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what does that have to do with anything? if they all originally were muslims at birth, why did literally every single one stop being a muslim so that they all needed a prophet in the first place?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because the devil caused them to sin. We all sin eventually.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you can sin without totally rejecting the belief what apparently is hardwired into your brain at birth. are you saying people who remain muslims don't sin?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nope. I was born a Christian.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Islam is just the Arabian fanfic of Judaism mixed with the pagan traditions of Arabia like the Kaaba made by some pervert who had epilepsy and wanted to bang who ever he wanted

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you are an arab then yes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most Muslims aren't Arabs

      >babies all are born with the knowledge of an Arab merchant who lived 1400 years ago and thousands of miles away before they can crawl

      Yes

      you can sin without totally rejecting the belief what apparently is hardwired into your brain at birth. are you saying people who remain muslims don't sin?

      You need to make up for your sins

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In addition to feral children, children who were born deaf and neglected, learning no proper form of communication during their adolescence but who learned later in life to write/sign do not show signs of a natural belief in one true god

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not true. Every child is born a pagan instead.

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