I don't understand this. For millennia cultures from all over the world have valued beauty and attempted to make their surroundings pleasant and comforting. And then about 60 years the West threw that all out the window. How can people live like this, day after day in such soul-sucking hideous monotony? What's the cause? Is it mass-production? Is it the automobile eliminating the need to experience your environment to get places? Is it TV and vidya, allowing people to stay inside all the time? How can people tolerate such ugliness their entire lives? Perhaps this is part of why suicide and depression rates are skyrocketing.
Looks comfy. You might not like it, but that’s peak performance.
>that’s peak performance.
I mean, suburbs like in the pic aren't efficient either but that's another topic. I'm really curious about the aesthetic perspective... like how do people cope with living in such a sterile environment. Is it just screens 24/7? I find it interesting that architecture went downhill as soon as TV became widespread.
They are entirely efficient, that’s the point.
They cost more to maintain than either cities or rural small towns... they are extremely inefficient. But again, you're missing the point. Cultures all over the world were willing to sacrifice some efficiency for the sake of beauty... until the 50s in America.
They don’t. You are completely 180 degrees from reality.
Still dodging the question but here ya go. Small towns are more similar to the urban costs btw. Suburbs are an immense drain on municipal finances, and directly responsible for our terrible infrastructure.
your infographic is a lie and you are an imbecile.
Nothing is more efficient than a slab grid for water, electricity, gas, and any other amenity for modern life.
>sustainable prosperity
Disregarded
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Who would have thought that having all of the slave goycattle in a centralized highly dense small area of space would be cheaper to run and maintain similar to how it is with animals and industrial farming.
Ok, so since you don't care about efficiency, why not build a neighborhood that's beautiful and appealing? Why that endless plain of identical white boxes?
if people wanted them developers would be happy to oblige
>if people wanted them
Ok, so why do modern people intentionally choose ugliness over beauty, in defiance of 2000 years of history? We've already established it isn't efficiency. Is it cars? TV? Propaganda? That's literally the point of the thread.
because modern houses really arent ugly, tastes change you know
They aren't ugly to you because they're what you're used to you. The reason they are so bland is because that's just the cheapest way to build them. It all centers around real estate garden gnomes trying to maximize profit. They brainwash whites to abandon the cities and live in their cheaply built homes and think it's the pinnacle of civilization. They made us forget our roots, beautiful, organic, welcoming cities surrounded by homely villages. I bet you haven't even been to a real city or village in your entire life.
houses like the one you posted are everywhere in the midwest, ive seen plenty
I hate people and prefer my space
I'm not against beauty. I was just pointing how disingenuous that infographic was as though we don't know what the ulterior motives of people who push for urbanization and centralized living are.
>we don't know what the ulterior motives of people who push for urbanization and centralized living are.
Do you know what happens when the population becomes more concentrated in urban areas? The outlying areas become LESS concentrated. Meaning properties outside the city become much cheaper and more spacious. Traffic improves. n-words (I hate even having to consider them but it's our reality), immigrants and liberals will be contained in one area. Less taxes to pay. Tighter knit communities. There's no downside to it other than a lack of (((business opportunities))).
I completely agree that modern architecture is sterile and ugly. While there are probably regulatory reasons for this, there's an (in)human element as well. Structures built during a time when more people walked were made to be more appealing to look at since passers-by had a longer time to look upon them as a consequence of travelling on foot. There's no such incentive for modern architecture because it's set back 100ft from the road and you drive past it in a matter of seconds. It's just blank, lifeless geometry like a video game failing to load the textures for distant objects.
>Structures built during a time when more people walked were made to be more appealing to look at since passers-by had a longer time to look upon them as a consequence of travelling on foot.
Yeah this was one of my theories. Less effort is put in for appearance, and also just for conveniences like eaves that make a community space more comfortable.
Bro I just love living that close to n-words! Where do I sign up for the urban plan so n-words can steal all my shit and reverberate through my walls with monkey noises and monkey music every day?
This is a shopping district. No one actually lives in these buildings.
OP never played Sim City and doesn't know what commercial, residential, industrial, and mixed zoning are like and why you segregate them.
I've lived in market town/small city centres for the past 10years and I can confirm people live in these buildings
> inb4 city fag
I'll take pic rel over soulless subburbs full of n-words and scum
This is available here, mainly in the west.
All middle class people lived in places like this 200 years ago. We've fallen so far you literally are incapable of even imagining that state of affairs.
looks like shit, no space to do anything
outside the US you can have a home on top of a small business or restaurant. Its actually really nice in japan to have a small family bar a few yards away and a 7/11 across the street.
Everyone I know who lives in these places fills the void with video games and fast cars.
nice brown surroundings
Think of it as an upgraded trailer park. They're in the middle of the desert typically.
from what I have gathered through the grapevine is that is comes down to the culture of architects. they are a very strange bunch of people. interestingly enough Bauhaus shows not just how ugly modern styling is but how utter fucking stagnant the styling is. not only is strip a building down to nothing resembling anything but a utilitarian structure, but it has done so and nothing else for about a hundred years now. I would recommend you read some articles on Le Corbusier. he is a name that comes up over and over again.
>I'm really curious about the aesthetic perspective...
Says the guy who lives in an apartment in an apartment building with 50+ units that are the exact same.
Wow it's almost like the United States, the United Kingdom, China and the USSR won WWII.
Can you elaborate? The Nazis had great aesthetic tastes but generally so did the US and UK in the prewar era.
The allies won through mass production, not by being great warriors. They literally zerg rushed Germany into defeat coupled with their factories being located half a world away in untouchable location. And it still took the whole world a decade to defeat Germany. Was it worth it Tommy? Your transgender half n-word grandchildren will twerk to pedophiles for money at pride parades.
American serial houses were invented by
German immigrants after WW2
>Someone is getting beaten to death and anally raped
>Some big dude comes and pulls the rapist off and beats them up with huge explosive punches
>Rape victim staggers to their feet
>Through their toothless, bloodied mouth they manage to speak
>M...me China, me won WW2
lol good one Chang
I don't know what fate is worse, that of NK and China, or that of Japan and SK.
>If we don't have massive amount of regulation, people will live in plywood sheds
You already live in plywood sheds, in great part because of your regulations.
Russians are used to own a house and a country cabin by default, it'll be hard for a Canadian who cannot own a plot of land to understand how higher are their standards.
NK definitely got the worst of it. Japan ended up a meek vassal state but comfy. China's looking like it'll end up in the best position in the end but I wouldn't want to be an ordinary citizen there.
But the point isn't the ultimate fate today, it's the absurdity of considering China a victor of WW2 because someone forced the Jap boots to stop stomping on their faces
>But the point isn't the ultimate fate today, it's the absurdity of considering China a victor of WW2 because someone forced the Jap boots to stop stomping on their faces
It's only fair after adding the UK and France to the list of victors.
Yes very much like France, but the post didn't mention France. The UK less so, it didn't even get invaded
Also, you should visit NK someday, it's the weirdest country I've seemed. I dare to say it's better than SK, but I don't think Americans, Canadians and similars can understand why.
>I dare to say it's better than SK, but I don't think Americans, Canadians and similars can understand why
Elaborate pls, I'm genuinely interested now. I have a feeling I might know what you mean but I'd like to hear you out.
Life in NK is chill, people are slow and calm, society seem to have very low expectations on people, much like we read in books about pre-industrial societies. It's like people managed to fulfil their, notable few, needs and them were living by idly; instead of alwasy trying to get something more.
Most information from the west doesn't reach, beyond a few SK radios and TV stations, it's really hard for me to describe how life in NK is different.
I'm sorry, I cannot put the right idea in the words.
Then I call you a liar, for no city doesn't require a permit.
>for no city doesn't require a permit
Is this really true or did you learn it from ConfuXius? Because here I just need a permit to increase my sewage outflow but if the average amount of SHIT remains the same the city doesn't care.
Only when my sewer line is pressurized and wearing a hole in the opposite wall of the sewer main will they ever even notice.
>I'm sorry, I cannot put the right idea in the words
I think you summed it up rather perfectly really. I've noticed similar behavior in people who live in places that are more isolated, communities that are undeveloped/developing, "disconnected" and untainted in a way, if that makes sense.
Absolutely gay-tier problem. There are an abundance of beautiful women, and I do not care about how other men look.
Americans are the most arrogant assholes in the world. Most people in the world would love to live in mansions like the ones in pic related.
Bullshit. Medieval peasants would probably consider suicide if forced to live somewhere that ugly instead of pic related.
medieval peasants lived in huts on their lords land
Enjoying space away from other people while still having proximity to services and infrastructure used to be a luxury only afforded to the upper class. Why do you think lords lived in countryside manors away from the peasants?
>Why do you think lords lived in countryside manors away from the peasants?
CONTRYside manors were just that: in the country. They had nothing to do with today's repulsive suburbs. All urban design before the 50s was characterized by a strong urban-rural dichotomy. This makes sense: you want to preserve farmland and beautiful wild areas. A dense town or small city provides access to the country for all its inhabitants within a reasonable walking distance.
They had peasants to literally carry their shit bucket outside and dump it in the woods.
>dump it in the woods.
Are you really so divorced from history that you've never heard of an outhouse?
They pissed behind the curtains At Versailles. Are you so ignorant of history that you think country lords stepped out in the mud to shit.
>They pissed behind the curtains At Versailles.
war... war never changes
>Why do you think lords lived in countryside manors away from the peasants?
Because cities of the past were many times filthier and more disease-ridden than cities today. Even a San Francisco that's crawling with druggie homeless is less of a health risk than the average medieval city. It therefore paid to have a country retreat where they could go and recover. Cities aren't like that anymore thanks to modern sanitation.
>My soul and spirit have rotted to the point I cannot understand a dacha.
I hope you're trolling.
>People here used to be able to build summer retreat cabins out of code here, but they even changed that as time went on, because more and more people were living in them full time. Now even a cabin has to be up to code.
Every day, my disgust with Canada grows. Even in USSR one could build a cabin in a simple manner, without having to kiss 12 bureocracy asses to have a standardized building.
>Every day, my disgust with Canada grows. Even in USSR one could build a cabin in a simple manner, without having to kiss 12 bureocracy asses to have a standardized building.
Would you rather buy a Canadian house, or a Russian house?
Russian, without a doubt. Even on literally commie blocks, I'd have enough freedom to enjoy living there. To not mention most Russians own country cabins that carry the right spirit, of being simple, without urban regulation like in your shithole.
There is freedom here though. They just want you to build your shit properly. With electricals that won't burn your family to death. With a septic system so you're not out shitting in your yard. Things like that.
>There is freedom here though.
Sure, tiny amounts of it where your overgrowing government has not found a way to eliminate.
>They just want you to build your shit properly.
Sorry, you can have freedom, or you can have ranks over ranks of bureaucrats telling you how you should build "your" house to fit their idea of proper.
I guess the idea of freedom is already lost in the Canadian mind.
Say you have a nice property, and the bare lot next door sold. Do you think I want to see somebody living in a plywood shed, shitting out in his yard? Maybe in Russia that's acceptable, but we have higher standards than that.
There are exactly zero residents in this specific town.
potemkin village or just a shopping villa?
Shoppin,restaurants, hotels... tourist trap per excelence. People are living in commieblocks off the photo.
I guess this just highlights the poverty of the world we live in... a village the USED TO be lived in, inhabited by ordinary people, is now so desirable and rare that they are completely priced out. It's so depressing
Something like this, yes. Well thats the freedom and democracy that our parents wanted so badly
that makes a sad sort of sense. can't let the dregs live in a nice area and the rich are above hosting tourists i suppose
Kde to je?
u wat m8?
just need a bunch of trees it would be alright. shoulda made the lanes wider though
everyone wants to, it was just a luxury in the past. rich romans had american style suburbs and rural mansions
>rich romans had american style suburbs
Shameless lie. Nothing even remotely resembling suburbs existed anywhere in the world before they were invented in the 50s. Rich Romans DID have country manors, which were essentially fancy farmhouses.
Peasant "huts" were larger and much more beautiful than a modern home. You've been brainwashed my dude.
>no plumbing
>no sewer
>no ac
>one candle costs a months wage
yeah ill stick with the 21st century where a used car costs me one months pay
Ok so... build a 14th century-style home but with plumbing? What's your point?
a log cabin with a straw roof wont pass building codes, plus i live in a giant pole barn already
Insulation.
Stone, log, and earth construction all have superb insulating properties.
Calling a fact "stupid" doesn't change its truth.
And zero ability to hide electricity, gas, hot water, and are incredibly expensive to repair.
>...incredibly expensive to repair.
Unlike today's plastic boxes, traditional houses don't need to be repaired every 10 years to keep them from collapsing. It is more cost-effective in the long run.
No one is ever going to take you homosexuals seriously if you can't even make arguments based in reality. This is as retarded as pretending half the country only makes minimum wage.
There are stone and adobe houses still standing that haven't been maintained in 200 years. Meanwhile my cousin's modern prefab had structural issues literally 3 years after being built. It's not even close.
You are genuinely fucking retarded.
I have a 100 year old house masonry and timber house which has massive timber, I could probably sell the lumber out of it just from the flooring, sub-flooring, and sub sub flooring (yes I have 3 layers) for the current market price of the home.
My cross beams are 12x12 inches. You simply can't build a new home to last like this. I could take an artillery hit to my wall, it's fucking 18" thick.
>haven't been maintained in 200 years.
They do if you want utilities. Constant maintenance. You are completely delusional.
Just install solar panels and a giant 100 year old style Edison nickel iron battery, they're actually easy to make and a company in Montana is now making them for home service again. Best battery for stationary use, you can't wear it out and the electrolyte is harmless.
solar panels last 15 years max
Nope. After 15 years they will still run at 90% efficiency if you use modern ones. Much of the problem it turns out is micro-abrasion to the cells, this has been solved with sapphire glass overlay.
can you not just polish older cells to bring them back?
Nah they're made of very very thin silicon, same thickness as a CPU wafer.
damn. worth a shot at least
my mom's a garden gnomeeler and I have a cheap solar panel for the front walkway that's shitting out despite a new battery
maybe i'll have her polish it and see if it rejuvenates it
maybe a headlight restorer would work
it's a similar concept, abrasive in some carrier, i'd use garden gnomeeler's rouge, it's super mild
i have used it to totally restore a fucked up rifle barrel before, though it increased the bore a bit it didn't seem to affect accuracy at all, i figure it is still swedging fine and the abrasive took down the pits and lands equally
I mean maybe, never heard of it. I'd hit those bitches with a rotary tool and some garden gnomeeler's rouge before I replaced a home install for sure especially on my dime. But I never heard of anybody trying it.
>shit in a bucket goy
Who said this? Just make your own power so you don't have to be subject to the whims of the Great Resetters.
Make my own plumbing too. Everyone, in the whole country. Shitting in buckets and praying it’s not a cloudy day. Nice society you have worked out.
>just buy everything from globohomo
i got banned here for posting about how owning a high flow vintage shower head is political in this age
You must be drowning in pussy.
I am married to a lovely woman and we literally just had sex this morning.
It scours away any dead skin, it's why in the old days they didn't bald at 30 (globpohomo chemicules and food excepted) because they had a head massage automatically.
didn't know they were illegal now. I can just make one with a drill press and a brass plate
the lever controls the pain setting
drill press, brass plate, petcock valve and some adapters got it.
If you're looking for a simple way to get flow out of a shower head, yank out the restrictor. Did that with my new Moen heads. Makes a big difference.
i figured that out by putting bullion cubes in my shower head when i lived in the barracks.
to get the knife on skin effect though the shower head has to make needle thin spray. So thin they hurt your eyes if theyre closed and you look up. So thin it pressure washes off your scabs and can be used to floss
yes
still low flow compared to a real head
Yank that restrictor out and it's a hollow tube. You'll get full flow. I've done this a few days ago with Moen heads. Can't speak for other brands.
those things don't have restrictors. If anything they have unstrictors
I know. My Moen no longer is restricted either. Works great!
Modern concrete houses are best.
Salt nickel is traditional enough (there are possibly newer variants of that coming). OTOH you might also just have pumped hydro communally.
>Peasant "huts" were larger and much more beautiful than a modern home
That's the stupidest thing I've heard lately
Looks like project zombie.
youre not going to believe this but people cant afford housing at all, this might look souless but it is what some can have
Corporations are the great filter. This race will die out having never left this rock unless you agressively knee cap corporations, corporate rights and corporate power. They are a bigger threat than anything else in the world. Russia, China, Water famines, food shortages, pedophile cults. Its all pointless if you dont put corporations in check before they kill this species.
psychopaths are the real problem
your plan is a game of whack-a-mole
>knee cap corporations
then what?
ban wars?
ban money?
ban everything?
relax
not around blacks
>single family zoning for miles
This is what happens when you let 'property developers' manage your land. This shit will take billions to transform in the future and if you don't want it to grow it will stagnate. They have narrow streets, one side footpaths, culdesacs to fit more houses in. If you've ever wanted a true example of rampant capitalism destroying us it's the suburbs.
>in b4 someone goes 'noo muh n-words!!!'
family zoning for miles
>as if it’s a negative.
>single family housing bad
>you must share walls with your n-word neighbors goy
>goy
Who invented the modern day suburb? oh yea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Levitt
And who is shilling to replace them with commie blocs now moshe?
I dunno, who?
You creatures are insufferable.
saw some video that said the reason for their ugliness is gov regulating that they be built in a certain way
Yeah building codes are bullshit. But who passed them? Something like
is much safer, longer lasting, and more attractive than a typical modern cardboard box house. Is it some nefarious conspiracy?
>Is it some nefarious conspiracy?
most people have no conception of beauty or aesthetics. to them beauty = more stuff and bigger stuff.(more beds/baths/garages). that's why rich people usually end up getting bigger versions of the same ugly houses you see in the suburbs instead of hiring a proper architect. I'm sure there are architects who focus on traditional aesthetics that would love to get more commissions
hiring an architect is almost as expensive as building the house itself
wish we could go back to the mail order variety
They’re called modular homes and are delivered on a truck. Sometimes in one piece.
One of those fuckers took out my neighborhoods' internet a few years back.
you're right
you cl;early don't understand, that's obvious from the second sentence
>cultures valued
cultures do not possess agency, they are not the agents of verbs or doers of actions
you are employing newspeak-garden gnomespeak
you are a linguistically brainwashed golem
n-word, you live in a fucking ghetto.
Put a mask on ugly people. Problem solved.
Explain how this is worse than bugpod towers and being forced to ride the train with stabby drug pushers. I'll wait.
Well you see, goy, those houses are incredibly inefficient. You could squeeze five or six brown families into the space just one of those single family houses takes up. Just imagine, you could collect half a dozen government subsidized rents instead of one mortgage payment.
>Explain how this is worse than bugpod towers
are there only 2 choices in your mind?
>trust me I'm from /v/
Oh those poor rich people in air planes who have to look at those ugly neighborhood layouts. Won't someone think of the frequent flyers?
this is mostly a mutt southwest/california/texas problem. old established america is peak america.
Yeah I generally agree, it is worst in the south and west. There are definitely vintage towns in the NE and rustbelt that are quite pretty. Unfortunately no one seems to be building them anymore.
Suburbs are a direct result of white flight. The early prototypes of it were seen when tracts of cheap housing were built for soldiers returning from the war. This cheap and quick ready-made neighborhood could be built far enough from the city to prevent more blacks moving in and the higher prices charged would keep them out for a long time. With their cities captured and fallen, white people retreated to a safe haven where they could get some measure of safety while doing without the luxuries cities can bring and without the true community of rural living at the time.
In short, suburbs are white refugee camps. You just didn't recognize that because nobody else makes refugee camps that are even semi attractive.
Don't compare them to city or rural living. Compare it to every other refugee camp you've ever seen.
White flight wasn't a thing until the 1968 race riots. Then the suburbs really filled up.
It wasn't as large a movement until then, yes. People were still looking for black free areas in the post war period, though. Enough so that (((business))) could pounce on this new demand and make money.
getting rid of all billboards - make them illegal - would be a great first step to healing
Not this REDDIT a thread again
It isn’t TV and vidya that allow people to stay inside, it’s AC and central heating. But the fact of the matter is you can’t change the temperature of the sun, but you can change your own temperament. The problems in current year are the same as always. It’s up to individuals and good communities to foster creativity, free will, and an ability to make boredom a motivator. You have to be 18 to post here btw
this thing will peel your skin off
those things feel fantastic after a while. Like getting a hot glass massage
I don't care if you dumb fucking mutts want your 2,000 sqft cardboard where you consoom entertainment and junk food inside all day and feel like an english aristocrat because you have a 1/4 acre lawn and your walls are a few yards apart from your neighbor's. But expecting the taxpayers to fund it when it's continually draining city and county budgets while giving barely anything in return is n-word tier. I'm moving to Europe as soon as my parents die anyway, since this country has no future. I only hope Europe isn't completely ruined by judeo-anglo influence by then.
It's a forest and trees issue, same as it's ever been. Negroes in Africa, for example, would be surprised that their villages just resembled simple insect hives, with little dots representing individual huts. Once you're in your own neighborhood, though. every yard and house is unique. Simple as. Still better than fucking British row-housing, though. Britain is a solid disgrace to all of the white tribes, and it wouldn't bother me at all if Putin just straight-up fucking glassed its downtown core.
Lord Sugar and Lord Ahmed indeed.
>It's a forest and trees issue, same as it's ever been.
Nah, these things are just as hideous at street level.
dem 90's early 2000's vibez
Honestly I can see why americans defend them because there is something comfy about the image of suburbs from the ground. I think it's mostly due to nostalgia from childhood. But once I went to Europe I was blown away by how awesome everything is. If it weren't for all the filthy immigrants that israel sent it would be a paradise over there.
Some developments settle in better than others and manage to develop character as they break in.
>25mph
>cardboard boxes
>automatic transmission
How do you not see this as hell?
you should have a nice day. while live-streaming. be an hero this world needs.
>t. Jealous poor
what europe did you go to? ive been there and its a pain in the ass
Try going to Liverpool it's even uglier.
Just junior-sized deano-boxes, that's all, and we've had this architectural shit style up here since the 80s, but as a northern boy, the excessive yards and absence of any trees I find quite disturbing. I don't feel that I would do very well in such an environment.
What many cities do is they'll usually for various reasons whether it be lobbied or by demand will declare an undeveloped area to be residential. When they decide this they'll usually hire or contract out the area to a developer who then to save money will hire one architect to design a small variety of units or houses then use that same design over their entire area.
The city gets development which looks good, the developer gets money from the city, and the homebuyer gets shitty commute times since all commercial centers are only accessible by car.
fix the building codes
allow mixed-use developments in these neighborhoods
don't need factories but stuff like restaurants and corner stores
eventually stuff will sort itself out
These things are now popping up a lot in the US too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-over-1
>apartment but the walls are made of wood
It looks like Soviet never realised project, just add school, kindergarden, club and stolovaya
http://www.marcoinfussi.it/files/scuola_politica.archivio/Sprawl_Repair_Manual_Galina_Tachieva.pdf
The answer for me was to go outside. I dont even know what i am doing outthere most the time. Cleaning my car or walking around.
I have an abandoned pet rat, i take him for buke rides on my shoulder.
I dont have any friends close by and am single.
Going outside as much as i can has saved me. I think it can save most people. That is all i have.
I am lucky for my mother helping me get a sweet car when i was down and out, a 1995 3000gt. So that is the one thing i can keep beautiful, so i always let her know how thankful i am by keeping it look as fresh and clean as possible. I also have been doing good with my jo , from where i was, so i have another vehicle, but always spend my time making the car the best it can.
Tl:dr. Go outside. Do something, even if it is walking alone arou d the block.
>all these boomer brain replies actually defending suburbs
>how can you live in suburb is all the same cookie cutter houses
>REEEEE so ugly
>same cookie cutter house just get rid of grass, remove yard, move houses next to each other and another story or two
>i love my rat utopia commie block
the suicide and depression is because you're a tranny surrounded by metal and concrete
You're so demoralized and brainwashed your entire conception of of a neighborhood has been reduced to two binary choices: commie blocks or suburbs (which are pretty much the same thing). All human civilization before 1945 beckons.
a pretty apartment is still just an apartment
An apartment you own is better than a house you dream about.
>apartment
>own
leaf
nobody wants to live in apartments which is why suburbs exist
It's funny that Americans boast about suburbs while HOA make them worse than literally soviet common habitation.
most neighborhoods dont have HOAs, its only a thing with $300k+ neighborhoods
My experience living in the US unfortunately always had the unpleasant presence of some form of HOA or another. Land of the free my ass, people were trying to tell me how to paint my walls, how to cut my grass, how to park my car. Genuinely less free than Russian. I'm happy to know most of the country is not like this.
I think HOAs are used to give power hunger, petty people a way to exercise their power and virtue signalling drives.
>HOA
just don't move into an HOA property, it's literally a non starter
We have similar housing here, but HOA's for detached homes are far less common. A rarity, in fact, although they do exist. I'm guessing they use them to keep n-words out?
HOAs keep n-words and poos out. Indians are terrible for maintaining homes, but everybody here has seen what that shithole looks like.
this, necessary evil unfortunately
there is one indian family in my area, they have a completely concrete and asphalt yard and drive
it's completely bizarre but at least it looks fine
Concrete makes them feel safe from tiger attacks.
nothing to hide behind or drop from
should check my trees before i go out
They do that so they have lots of parking for stuffing the house full of their extended family.
You can buy an apartment, poor retard.
>$800/month "maintenance fee"
>is totally not rent
>t. poor retard
>$800/month "maintenance fee"
I almost forgot how shitty apartments regulations and fees are in the US.
Sticks and rocks would do the same job without removing all the freedom.
I guess I lack the proper word to describe this, but the amount of regulation one must follow in their "own" houses in the US is just insane, I guess this change from state to state, tho.
Cops won’t let you do their job anymore.
Such a shame, nothing as good and as free as people who take care of themselves, without some government (or non government in the case of the US) bureaucrat and officers saying "you cannot do anything, if you have a problem, tell us, and we'll fix it". Not even PRC was this bad.
>I guess I lack the proper word to describe this, but the amount of regulation one must follow in their "own" houses in the US is just insane, I guess this change from state to state, tho.
Every city has its own by-laws. Moving rural, outside of city limits, is much more permissive.
>Every city has its own by-laws.
In the US, Canada, Western Europe..? Yes.
In most of the world, you've a great degree of freedom on what you can do in your property, I guess the idea of freedom as "you can raise a wall without having to beg a bureaucrat for permission" got out of fashion in the west.
Building codes aren't always a bad thing. You don't want to be the buyer of some piece of shit deathtrap that somebody slapped together on the cheap, yet passing it off as a great buy when an electrical fire is only a few weeks away.
>Building codes aren't always a bad thing.
They are only usually a bad thing, they serve to keep properties prices high for speculation but curb the freedom of anyone who wants a house to live.
But let's me clean I'm not talking about basic (that are probably far below what you consider basic) safety standards, the problem is all the rest.
It's to stop people from slapping together a plywood box and calling it a house. People here used to be able to build summer retreat cabins out of code here, but they even changed that as time went on, because more and more people were living in them full time. Now even a cabin has to be up to code.
>but the amount of regulation one must follow in their "own" houses in the US is just insane
it's pretty minimal, you can let your house literally cave in and live in a trailer camped on the smouldering remains in 95% of the us
>it's pretty minimal
I guess it depends on what you compare with, rural US is indeed free, but urban US is considerably less free than China.
>XAINA
hooooooo
Yes anon, I know you Americans like to pretend China is all that is bad, but people in Chinese cities have more freedom to build and manage their houses than people in urban America.
Also, dynasties have lasted for more time than the US has existed.
You know, the best kinda of mall, at least for me? Those poor old malls, that are almost build at random, with a lot of odd shops and spaces, those closer to what human cities should be.
>thinks americans hate the chinese and not the CCP
>NATO flag
>eurotrash mindset
checks out
You americans don't know shit about neither the Chinese nor their ruling party, and yet you hate one and feel pity for the other. If you want you call "the US is too regulated to be enjoyable" as eurotrash mindset, go ahead, it's the truth.
+25 Social Credit
>people in Chinese cities have more freedom to build and manage their houses than people in urban America.
doubt
Can you describe the process you need to go by if you (or someone living in a city near you, if you live in the countryside) so you can build a new bathroom in your lot of land?
I'll assume you mean renovate an existing bathroom?
No, my dear Canadian friend, I mean what I wrote. Can't you read?
And would you mind telling me where you live, for I'm calling this bullshit. There's not a single city in the US where you don't need at least one, usually far more, permit to build a bathroom.
>And would you mind telling me where you live, for I'm calling this bullshit.
You first, just take the suspicious poster off and we'll start.
Adding a bathroom wouldn't require a permit, as it's considered a minor change/renovation. Here, it's gas and electrical modifications that technically require a permit, but nobody gets them usually. Not even electricians get them when doing minor work.
electrical is bullshit, i had my guy run a bigger breaker box than i needed and another to my bench which has its own 40 amp supply
Yep. I had my guy fix some shit up also, cash job, and as long as it's up to code (for insurance purposes), I'm happy and he's happy for the quick cash job.
So let me try to put it in words you'll understand, by bathroom I mean the whole thing; the walls, the sink, the toilet, the water tubes, the power cables and switches, the lights, the mirror, everything that goes in a minimalist bathroom.
I still call you a liar who claim to live in Neverland, for every single American city requires at least one permit to build a bathroom.
>for every single American city requires at least one permit to build a bathroom
ok show me one which does
they all have their code up free online, which major american city needs a permit for a new bathroom? every city has its city code up online
so go, find me one, three
"every"
>ok show me one which does
Sure thing, liar.
I'll take New York, the big apple:
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/buildings/codes/2014-construction-codes.page
The plumbing code alone has 13 sections, and 8 appendices, I invite you into looking at section 3 - general regulation, start of page 4.
>it has a lot of code
so you claim that every city has the code that would require a permit for a bathroom but you can't find it even in your own single hand picked example? that's typical chinese shoddy work
I'm doing this right now as we speak. Two bathrooms totally gutted down to the studs. No permits. Working with reno dude and plumber, as I want things to code for insurance purposes. Should I get permit for the electrical? Technically yes. But why bother if not necessary?
i just built my house on rural land without permission, get fucked government
I'm rural too. While a complete new build would probably have the inspectors sniffing around, pretty much any other changes to the house isn't a problem at all. I just make sure I'm up to code, so if an electrical fire burns the place down, my insurer can't say it wasn't done right.
>not striking the earth and going underground
they will never find your addition if it's below ground level, even tunneling with a mere 1" deep turf overlay is possible
based
there is a famous house in wyoming that has no code in that country that's like 6000 square feet of just shit nailed on to a central core
why are you guys arguing with eurotrash?
it's fun and my wife is watching so you think you can dance so idk it's something to do
throw something heavy at your wife to keep her on her toes.
no, i like her she's cool
we went to the dealership and they loaned us a car while ours was being repaired because they think we have money and they were like "how did you like it" and she said it was like driving a pig that was driving a boat and the dude was shell shocked
You can do it yourself. Or hire somebody. There is no permitting for adding a bathroom.
Keep proving his point dumbass
It's just an apartment you don't have to live in it. It's for people who want to be able to walk to work and stores. If you want lots of breathing room you can live in the exurbs or countryside that's much cheaper and more spacious because of higher urban density. I don't understand how you keep falling for such gnomish tricks.
he's pretty much screaming "I'm a troll feed me replies" and here you guys are. Nobody is that NPC
you don't worry about the ugliness, you focus on creating and supporting the beautiful.
give everyone the option to choose the style of house they want built for them so you have rows of unique upside down fucked up strange looking houses
never ever going to happen
>Is it mass-production?
In this case it is that simple. The business model is;
Buy land at the edge of town
Develop
Sell developed houses
Repeat
This cycle incentivizes the developers to build cookie-cutter to make things cheaper. They also have no reason to make it beautiful, they're not going to live there. It just has to be profitable and presentable enough that people will buy them.
Beautiful places get made when someone who cares about the specific house and specific community builds the houses and the businesses and the churches. Only that person can choose to give up profit in exchange for beauty. A developer cannot make that choice. Even if a developer wants to build something beautiful, it has to be for the purpose of generating more profit by selling it for more money. They cannot build beautifully for the sake of it.
Good post. Do you have any ideas for a solution? Or is that lack of 'caring' too deeply related to the rootlessness of our society?
It's kind of hard to imagine. Where would profit-obsessed America find the wherewithal to ban profit-seeking in home development? Especially when everyone's shrieking about housing shortages already?
A "Dictator of America" plan, which assumed you could pass whatever you wanted into law, would be two-pronged I think. We need to turn away from whole development, for starters. How it used to work is that cities/towns would build up slowly over time, organically, like a reef, with each new home or business building on the last. It took time but the result was always more particular to the land and community. How we do it now is that they buy a whole plot, build the whole "community" at once, and then move on.
The second prong is figuring out rules for growth. Even planned communities can be good, the problem comes two/three generations later when more people want to move in than the community planned for. So it starts getting cancerous growths on the outskirts of people who abandoned their own towns for a town that's already a success. Eventually the well-placed downtown is 30 minutes by car from the outskirts of the now-city and all the growths suck. It's not enough to plan the initial community, you also have to plan how it can grow without losing its essential character.
No, that's literally the reason. Cities used to be public health hazards and doctors would literally prescribe trips to the countryside as treatment because of how awful cities were for people. Of course the rich just maintained a second house in the country they could run away to whenever they wanted, or stayed close enough to commute every day (something most people couldn't afford); assuming they weren't purely rural and never went into the city at all.
That concern is pretty moot in 2022. Cities are very clean and would be cleaner without the cars that suburbanites drive into the city.
>The only reason someone would every visit or live in teh countryside is because of sanitarization.
Again, I hope this is trolling.
I'm sure they liked riding horses out there too anon. The larger point is that you said they like the isolation, and I pointed out why they liked it; not just for its own sake but for practical purposes, like escaping disease/riots and having productive land to earn more income with. The motivations medieval lords had for rural estates were not the same as the ones modern first-world middle-class workers have for detached suburban homes. The two residence types are not alike in the first place, and the reasons for having them are completely different. The comparison is disingenuous and as far as I can tell an attempt to conflate modern ugly mass-produced stick-houses with old lovingly made rural manses and mansions.
Thanks for the effortpost, I appreciate it. Agree with most of what you said. Bottom-up construction will usually be better than top-down because it begets variety and creativity. But at the same time you do need some mechanism to prevent that one asshole from building something repulsive. It's a tough balance.
Personally I'll take one ugly house over an ugly town.
I recommend giving this blog a read. It covers a lot of the topics we've discussed here including the civil planning conundrum you speak of:
https://wrathofgnon.substack.com/
There's an older and more established blog that also discusses civil engineering on the small scale. It's got a Leftist slant but some of the articles have good insight if you can look past that:
https://www.strongtowns.org
Have a poem:
With usura hath no man a house of good stone
each block cut smooth and well fitting
that design might cover their face,
with usura
hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall
harpes et luz
or where virgin receiveth message
and halo projects from incision,
with usura
seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines
no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly
with usura, sin against nature,
is thy bread ever more of stale rags
is thy bread dry as paper,
with no mountain wheat, no strong flour
with usura the line grows thick
with usura is no clear demarcation
and no man can find site for his dwelling.
Stonecutter is kept from his stone
weaver is kept from his loom
WITH USURA
wool comes not to market
sheep bringeth no gain with usura
Usura is a murrain, usura
blunteth the needle in the maid’s hand
and stoppeth the spinner’s cunning. Pietro Lombardo
came not by usura
Duccio came not by usura
nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin’ not by usura
nor was ‘La Calunnia’ painted.
Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis,
Came no church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit.
Not by usura St. Trophime
Not by usura Saint Hilaire,
Usura rusteth the chisel
It rusteth the craft and the craftsman
It gnaweth the thread in the loom
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern;
Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered
Emerald findeth no Memling
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura.
Tract housing is the modernity you all seek without knowing it. Enjoy your shitty architecture.
If you don’t like suburbs, go live in your liberal roach motel shitholes.
Looks like a very ugly graveyard, creeps me the fuck out.
C'mon man it ain't so bad. We have malls!
You're being ironic but malls did serve to fill our deep-seated human need for a community space once our neighborhoods failed at that. Of course the malls did a piss-poor job... but they made an attempt.
Mall as usually far better than community centers and other crap designed specially for this need.
Yeah, you're not wrong. The issue is they are all (malls, 'community centers,' etc.) artificial, contrived locations. In pre-industrial cities and towns organic community spaces like grew up to actually fit people's needs, and the difference shows.
what are your surroundings each day?
primarily your home
eat shit commie
>Literal basement-dwelling recluse
I was waiting for one of those to show up, honestly surprised it took so long.
I don't fly helicopters over suburbs.
n-words live in cities.
>How do we solve the ugliness problem?
We don't let them breed.
By blinding you.
They are worker bee colonies. There is usually a big room in those houses for television programming after work. If you work hard and behave at work for 30 years, you can "own" one of these babies. And as long as you pay your rent... I mean, property tax, you can stay in "your" house. Afterall, you paid for it right, and you even bought the nice people at the bank a house too for lending you all that money they got out of thin air. It's the American Dream. Everybody's doing it. It's why we live.
>How do we solve the ugliness problem.By ending bussybodies, aka authoritarians, aka leftists, aka women.
>By ending bussybodies
>bussy
>bussy
Making other's life worse is an occupation.
The problem is that even then, housing in the US is insanelly expensive.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bussy
Kek.
I'm sorry, you're below a direct reply. Go get some of your humanity back and we can talk.
>Americans are honestly just retarded.
I guess it's because houses in the US are seem as an investment, not as a place to live. The idea of reducing cost at any cost, trying to speculate the value and ban new constructions are pretty standards in the US.
>I'm sorry, you're below a direct reply. Go get some of your humanity back and we can talk.
Now that's funny.
Yeah not sure why. Maybe regulations preventing construction?
The culture plays a big role. We have come to accept that a house is supposed to be a cardboard box with wires running through it, and that your lawn is for dumping money into so it grows useless grass that you just mow, and to go pick up some veggies you have to fire up a 4000 pound machine and burn petroleum to go to the store to pick up something that is only there because of a large network of trucks—despite being surrounded by fertile land.
Americans are honestly just retarded.
For all the naysayers: OP is right. America definitely has sacrificed beauty for the sake of lower costs. The reason has to do with the fact that america is a new land where people could make big money, and which lacked a natural people and culture.
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>green grass
>room to garden or have a cookout with the (huwhite) neighbors
Yeah, you would find that ugly, wouldn't you?
>>room to garden or have a cookout with the (huwhite) neighbors
not anymore
HOAs won't allow you to have a garden because it'll hurt the value of the other houses
Rural is best. HOA's would go crazy out here. Even the chickens roam free, and they're not even mine!
Yep. One has a chick now, and will charge at me anytime I get close. Such is rural life...
You can't unless you somehow convince normies (who all worship ugliness with a passion) to take a stand which is impossible in the current world state.
>(who all worship ugliness with a passion)
Tell me about it. Exhibit A: this guy
Real solutions:
>reform zoning laws so people's businesses can be next to their homes
>remove the thousands of useless regulations/ordinances that prevent people from building their own homes the way they want to
>build a better infrastructure layout so neighborhoods are walkable to and from all necessary buildings for weekly life
>incentivize the use of bikes and public transport
Unfortunately this shit will take a generation to fix. But it is possible for us to do.
You don't fix that without dismantling the automotive industry and its lobbying power. America looks like it does because it was designed around making sure everyone needs a car.
Do you ever get tired of being retarded?
no u
I guess not.
hardly anyone has a business though. theres only so much demand for faggy hipster beer and vintage bike shops
Can't someone just repair cars or house appliances?
where? these urban buildings dont have garages let alone car shop sized ones
At least not in the US, you guys all the way down when it comes to city, extremely dense and barely unlivable.
But in countries with saner cities, it's not hard to have petty business.
europe is worse
Capital cities in Europe are worse. Paris is packed as hell, most of France, including most cities, are far less packed and unlivable than American cities.
It's not ugly your just a government shill. Trying to kill Americans off and using dumb ass bait as a start. You think this is ugly but you never post Detroit or Chicago. Kys and quit.
>You think this is ugly but you never post Detroit or Chicago.
Your wish is my command. Here's Chicago
OP, i dont know what you and your other pigeon frens are doing up so high in the air but when youre a down to earth human being u can clearly see that this is peak first world society luxury
Those are clearly pre-war houses on the outskirts of the inner city. Where I live it's mostly n-words who inhabit them. We're talking about the post-war white flight era suburban developments which continuously expand into the countryside with copy and paste mcmansions.
i live in a neighborhood with homes currently being built similar to this house, and ours is also similarly designed. was built in McMansion style, but i feel as though the biome and yard has alot to do with your neighborhoods experience. living in new modern upscale suburbs can be like OP's pic if you live in ass fuck midwestern upscale suburbs, but even desert biome houses like in nevada Utah and AZ have nice houses that are copy paste built. if the tacobell houses have it right then idk what the builders in other states are doing to make their neighborhoods aesthetic so piss poor.
There's a million things wrong with McMansions and suburbs but one minor thing that always strikes me is the width-height ratio. These houses are always so fucking FAT. A lot of them, even in richer areas are one-story, and those that aren't still splay out way too much. Older houses always have much better proportions, and they are taller to make better use of space.
cause soccer moms need taller ceiling so that they have enough room for GOD in their home anon.
garden gnomes. The problem is garden gnomes.
Oh look, another thread for retards who don't know what they're talking about.
Well the thing in common with the move to shitty modern architecture is similar to the move society has made broadly speaking since then. Which is that society has begun to increasingly rely on the advice of people with shitty advice. You can see in this thread how many people still cling to the belief that newer is better, and how many dont know how modern architecture is clearly the architecture of autistic people. it shows that even here people still struggle to break free of the shackles imposed on them by their culture. mostly because the path to break free is so well hidden. Things like modern building materials cost more and are less effecient than older ones, it baffles their minds, how can this be? well lead paint and even newer lead free paint are still more toxic than say a traditional plaster. Limestone, brick, clay all cost less than steel. I suppose this is the stage where you are either beginning to or already have broke through third positionism and into traditionalism. You are perhaps starting to see how utterly fucked we are, how much we have truly lost.
Yep, the myth of progress has badly infected even people who claim to be "conservative."
Ironically a literal trailer park might actually be better... it's often small and dense enough that nature, trees or farms, is nearby. And their is usually a sense of community that is lacking in these uncanny upper-middle-class burbs.
Houses are built to break to create repair jobs to stimulate the economy. If you love Capitalism so much them stfu.
>I don't understand this. For millennia cultures from all over the world have valued beauty and attempted to make their surroundings pleasant and comforting. And then about 60 years the West threw that all out the window. How can people live like this, day after day in such soul-sucking hideous monotony? What's the cause? Is it mass-production? Is it the automobile eliminating the need to experience your environment to get places? Is it TV and vidya, allowing people to stay inside all the time? How can people tolerate such ugliness their entire lives? Perhaps this is part of why suicide and depression rates are skyrocketing.
are you retarded? people used to die in wars
most people are brain dead, they don't have logical thoughts, they just exist and follow orders
if the TV or the boss tells them to do something they'll do it
It's because we focus quantity not quality.
If we would have went for quality it would have been more expensive, take more time and we wouldn't be able to trick ourself into thinking that we need economic growth.
GDP would have been worse, but GDP is not a real metric to begin with.
for example i just put a japanese washlet seat on my toilet so i can be immune to toilet paper shortages
i just did it myself, it works great
in some places like singapore you literally have to hire a professional to do this after getting a permit
will they know if you just do it?
yes this
in most places that's the principle the government operates under, also if you sell a property it has to be inspected so they will catch you anyhow
Great. Yet another urbanite living in box in a skyscraper demanding that people who own homes be put in a commieblock just like him. Fuck off OP. We've had this thread 1000000 times and its the same shit.
you're not rural if you live in a suburb
Kill all people living in suburbs
if you nuke the city centers too all our problems will be over
>For millennia cultures from all over the world have valued beauty
Not Barbarians