>can't really compete when your development runs in 900 different opposing directions
FUCKING THIS
>try an update my ROCM >rocm requires the newer version of Ubuntu >surely it can't only be compatible with one specific version of Ubuntu, that was a problem i had with OpenCL 10 years ago, somebody must have fixed it in ten years >install the latest Ubuntu >Rocm is only compatible with one specific version of python >install deadsnakes >there's no deadsnakes release for the newest ubuntu >the newest ubuntu actuallu ISN"T backwards compatible with the newest rocm >rocm actually is exclusive to the Ubuntu LTS >every other available version and distro is bait and if you need to use roicm you must use Ubuntu LTS
This is shit.
Wanna know what Linux needs for large commercial success? Central governance, like Android, Android is popular, successful and has ports of professional software available.
>AMD's software can't even update on the most popular Linux distro in the world
It sucks that Ubuntu updates break shit, but isn't it AMD's job to make sure it continues working?
You tried this 15 years ago, during the window where MS stopped allowing XP preinstalls, but a lot of laptops weren't up to running Vista. So OEMs experimented with preinstalling Linux.
50+% return rates later, they screamed their lungs out at MS to allow XP preinstalls again, and they relented. A year later, Windows 7 and affordable C2Ds arrived, completed the genocide, and preinstalling Linux on normie machines became one of those "look back and laugh" moments in tech history.
They still came preinstalled at all, most likely with Ubuntu. I don't care if it filters the normies, a sentient being should be capable of installing an OS.
>You tried this 15 years ago, during the window where MS stopped allowing XP preinstalls, but a lot of laptops weren't up to running Vista. So OEMs experimented with preinstalling Linux.
Holy shit, is that why the PC my dad bought in 2010 came with Debian pre-installed?
>Wanna know what Linux needs for large commercial success? Central governance
I pray with every fiber of my being this never happens. I want it to filter normies.
Give up on the autistic idea that every distro and every desktop environment is worth investing time into and quit fragmenting the community with a bunch of shitty programs/scripts/rices nobody needs.
>Debian/Fedora/Arch >Systemd >Wayland >BTRFS / EXT4 >KDE / GNOME >SDDM / GDDM >PipeWire >Luks
Everything else is bloat and shouldn't exist and is actively making sure linux can never get a large enough community for devs of products like adobe or vidya to ever care enough to be forced to make compatibility for us if they don't want to lose money.
This is pretty much already the direction the Linux desktop is moving in. Redhat's stuff (systemd, wayland, flatpak, pipewire, etc.) won out. ZFS is still very popular, but BTRFS/EXT4 dominate desktop installs. Everybody has pretty much coalesced around the big 2 DEs again, with XFCE still somewhat popular (albeit much less than it used to be).
My post wasn't an endorsement of any of those things, I'm just pointing out that's the direction things are headed, for better or for worse.
>already lost when XFS and ZFS are both vastly superior.
I specified on the desktop, and I don't think there's a single desktop installer that uses ZFS or XFS by default. It's all BTRFS or EXT4.
It is, it's apparantly to steer people like me out. I have my software often hang around in the status bar, because it doesn't deserve dock space, it's for status bars.
I HATE Xcode and switched to other IDEs.
Look at that response for jumping ship and knowing internals of OS X. Hostile as fffuuuaarrk, I almost feel honoured by his (Tim CЯook) shitty cactus circle. Pff.
Some corporation needs to make a fork that's designed for normal people and give a huge middle finger to FOSS autists without giving a single fuck about any of the retarded things they stand for.
There's zero reason to use linux outside of FOSS principles. It's main attraction is the fact that no company controls your computing device, you have freedom to not update, freedom to check the source code and see if it's trusted and working in your favor, and freedom to edit the code and mold the computer in whatever you want it to be. FOSS autists just need to stop forking. UUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOH IMM GONNA FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKKKKKKKK IM FOOOOOOORKING ALL OVER THE PLACE IM IM IM M GONNA FOOOOOOOOOOOORK.
>FOSS autists just need to stop forking
But they won't, so the only hope is for a corporation to make a fork that doesn't become 2000% hostile to normal non-autistic people as soon as they try to do anything besides installing outdated preset apps from the app store.
isnt that how all these forks spring up? people think they have the solution to all the other forks and end up creating yet another fork
Normal forks happen because every tranny wants to be the center of attention. The only way to truly win is to have a pure profit motive and make something that people actually want and need.
The only way to make a TRULY good OS is for someone with a lot of passion and skill to make one, but Linux is far, FAR too big and bloated for anyone to do that. It can happen if you make an OS from scratch, but then it isn't Linux, thus it isn't a valid way to fix linux.
Unironically Fedora, especially Fedora Silverblue is the future. It's just a shame that GNOME is so fucking confusing and becoming more and more retarded as time passes. It stays relatively up to date, has a big company behind it, is still fully FOSS, has a large package manager, immutable distro, relatively vanilla and "just werks". Perfect mix of Arch's bleeding edge and Debians stability. Only thing I dislike about Fedora is their shit embarassing neckbeard name.
that's pretty much what Canonical was trying to do with Ubuntu, but every time they had tried a move (Ubuntu One, Unity, Mir, Snap) the autistic linux community get mad and boycott them because they don't like changes.
>Gaslighting Canonical employee
no homosexual, the reason why the freetard community hates them (rightly so) is because they try to put spyware and make some parts of their OS proprietary with lame excuses at every corner and chance they think they can get away with.
the whole point of Linux is NOT to use spyware and/or proprietary software, with the exception of maybe some proprietary firmware and driver blobs as those are necessary for 99% of hardware out there.
This, I didn't forget about the amazon spyware they're such slimy israelite >But you'll tolerate spyware that makes you CPU wok, whats one more blob?
Yeah because that benefits ME, how does letting Amazon spy on me benefit ME? >More accurate ads and product recommendations
Fuck off, once compromised always compromised
I buy devices with linux to make sure they don't have some undocumented issue that doesn't play nice with non-windows OS 🙁
Last time I didn't do this, every distro I tried had an issue with the laptop's GPU where it would cause the screen to go black. I had to run everything in software rendering mode using the nomodeset parameter upon booting. Since then I decided not to purchase anything unless I was sure it was supported. Easiest way to verify that besides looking for compatibility lists online is to buy a device that comes installed with a linux distro.
Not even that. Just make it so I don't have to ever type anything into a console ever and make it so programs and games are better organized with their own individual folder instead of shitting the files wherever and you'd be golden. It's absolute garbage when I want to install something and I have to scroll through different install instructions for the various distros and have to settle on debian because it's just the closest. Hell, go ahead and reorganize the system folders so it's not all jumbled in retarded meaningless folders like /etc/ and that would help a lot too.
I guaranfuckingtee you that forcing new users to look up youtube videos to do basic shit and getting greeted with a street shitting punjabi is 90% of the problem.
OpenSUSE is gigabased, and I hope germans buy it back properly and try to get schools/hospitals/government entities to use OpenSUSE enterprise spins. It's retarded that Europe completely relies on America when it comes to operating systems and just runs our entire infrastructure on closed-source OS that pings back to America. Complete total american golem moment
They park their nukes with us. We germans are constantly looking into USAs nuke barrel. And they call Germany the center of EU, for some reason. So there you have it, it's yet another circlejerk.
We need chyner
You don't. At the moment it's almost reduced to the optimal level of suck. Any further and we'll start seeing Linux tiktok thots and the normies will start flooding in.
That's because it isn't mainstream and titok foids use it for attention. Make it as ubiquitous as Android or Windows is and there won't be any attention whoring to be done with Linux.
I tried Ubuntu 23.10, Pop OS 22.04 and Fedora 38 yesterday on my laptop
>Ubuntu 23.10 >freeze when I tried to copy paste a large folder from an USB 3 SSD to my drive >the new TPM encryption feature doesn't work and ask me to enter a key that the Ubuntu installer doesn't show me during or after the installation
>Pop OS 22.04 >freeze when I tried to copy paste a large folder from an USB 3 SSD to my drive >the fractionnal scaling setup reset every time I log out or go to sleep
>Fedora 38 >was actually the best one >didn't try the copy paste bug actually because I gave up when I see that VS code UI is blurred as fuck and every fix that I found on Google didn't work, also I need some blackmagic to make my amd egpu works >I just reinstalled Windows 11 and everything work OOTB
Freetards genocide. I'm quite serious.
Within weeks of removing all the fat, worthless, sweatly, lying autistics, the stench and stigma will wear off, and Desktop Linux will be at 5%. Then suddenly it will be 10%.
Freetards, their terrible presentation, and their even worse "advocacy" has always been what's held Linux back.
Holds Linux back from what exactly?
Remove all the turbo Autism and Linux becomes as shit as Windows.
Unfortunately that's the direction Redhat has been taking us in for the past 10 to 20 years. Especially with shit like gtk, gnome, flatpak, and systemd.
If AMD hadn't disabled ASPM on their newer chipsets it would have much better battery life and Linux would be competitive
For some unknown reason AMD decided to prevent ASPM entirely in all new laptop devices using their chipsets
Why not? There will always be some garbage distro that requires autistic skills supreme to effectively use. You wouldn't miss out on the standard Linux experience.
NTA, I agree that mass appeal would ruin Linux but at the same time if you want to take full advantage of your computer you need the software that comes from giant corpos.
Put Linux on a nice fucking laptop. I'd love a more open equivalent of the MacBook Air I have. Lightweight, fanless, basically runs at room temp for day-to-day tasks, decent screen, good trackpad, reasonable keyboard.
So many windows laptops miss out on the basics because they are cutting those corners to compete on performance.
>Nu-Thinkpads come with a single sodimm slot >It's fucking soldered
Nobody is even making nice fucking laptops anymore, framework, elitebook and uh is that it? Basically, yeah.
They all gave up and Apple cheated and made a phone that looks like a duck and quacks like a duck but is in fact a phone
The dell 2 in 1 I got has no soldered ram and an m.2 slot though it came with an optane drive which I promptly replaced
Thinkpads arent the enterprise machines they used to be, theyre just riding on the name and selling themselves at an insane markup for prosumers and businesses that have contracts with lenovo
Really it's just waiting out apple and Microsoft to fuck up so substantially that they lose market share over screwing their customer base
What were competing on is mostly just market share rather than availability of software or quality of software these days
Chrome OS proved you don't actually need windows for anything unless you're a gamer and macOS is doing fine without any games, so Linux has a huge leg up with proton
a fork where everything just werks (probably using gnome)
a cohesive app store to easily install third party applications
Microsoft Office support
First party hardware distributors selling it at retail
Basically as easy as buying and setting up a Chromebook
Windows is on a slow decline at the moment to Mac OS so it may well happen if MS loose too much market share and the hardware vendors get too irritated
can't really compete when your development runs in 900 different opposing directions
GNOME and KDE already have enough budget, payed devs and users, if there are still trash in 2023 then its not a fragmentation problem
the Linux kernel already won thanks to the server market, probably the most used kernel in the world
KDE Plasma has superior window management, file management, and effects compared to macOS.
>can't really compete when your development runs in 900 different opposing directions
FUCKING THIS
>try an update my ROCM
>rocm requires the newer version of Ubuntu
>surely it can't only be compatible with one specific version of Ubuntu, that was a problem i had with OpenCL 10 years ago, somebody must have fixed it in ten years
>install the latest Ubuntu
>Rocm is only compatible with one specific version of python
>install deadsnakes
>there's no deadsnakes release for the newest ubuntu
>the newest ubuntu actuallu ISN"T backwards compatible with the newest rocm
>rocm actually is exclusive to the Ubuntu LTS
>every other available version and distro is bait and if you need to use roicm you must use Ubuntu LTS
This is shit.
Wanna know what Linux needs for large commercial success? Central governance, like Android, Android is popular, successful and has ports of professional software available.
>AMD's software can't even update on the most popular Linux distro in the world
It sucks that Ubuntu updates break shit, but isn't it AMD's job to make sure it continues working?
Prohibit pre-installed computers, to filter the normalfags who only run default installs.
Ubuntu exists exclusively to scare people off of using Linux.
You tried this 15 years ago, during the window where MS stopped allowing XP preinstalls, but a lot of laptops weren't up to running Vista. So OEMs experimented with preinstalling Linux.
50+% return rates later, they screamed their lungs out at MS to allow XP preinstalls again, and they relented. A year later, Windows 7 and affordable C2Ds arrived, completed the genocide, and preinstalling Linux on normie machines became one of those "look back and laugh" moments in tech history.
They still came preinstalled at all, most likely with Ubuntu. I don't care if it filters the normies, a sentient being should be capable of installing an OS.
>You tried this 15 years ago, during the window where MS stopped allowing XP preinstalls, but a lot of laptops weren't up to running Vista. So OEMs experimented with preinstalling Linux.
Holy shit, is that why the PC my dad bought in 2010 came with Debian pre-installed?
There was also the netbook boom. Those things were too low specced to run anything except linux.
>Wanna know what Linux needs for large commercial success? Central governance
I pray with every fiber of my being this never happens. I want it to filter normies.
>central governance, like android
no
drill a hole on the top of your monitor
kek. i'm a macCOOMER but I will not be buying this generation of mbp, ever. Quite content with my 2015 and 2017
Have a trillion-dollar company going around bullying anyone who doesn't use it.
Give up on the autistic idea that every distro and every desktop environment is worth investing time into and quit fragmenting the community with a bunch of shitty programs/scripts/rices nobody needs.
>Debian/Fedora/Arch
>Systemd
>Wayland
>BTRFS / EXT4
>KDE / GNOME
>SDDM / GDDM
>PipeWire
>Luks
Everything else is bloat and shouldn't exist and is actively making sure linux can never get a large enough community for devs of products like adobe or vidya to ever care enough to be forced to make compatibility for us if they don't want to lose money.
This is pretty much already the direction the Linux desktop is moving in. Redhat's stuff (systemd, wayland, flatpak, pipewire, etc.) won out. ZFS is still very popular, but BTRFS/EXT4 dominate desktop installs. Everybody has pretty much coalesced around the big 2 DEs again, with XFCE still somewhat popular (albeit much less than it used to be).
>I know what Xfce is or does
>BTRFS/EXT4
already lost when XFS and ZFS are both vastly superior.
>gayland
cancer
>flatpak
cancer
>systemd
turbocancer
>gn*me
gigacancer
redhat is clearly out to destroy Linux from within by forging literally the worst options available.
My post wasn't an endorsement of any of those things, I'm just pointing out that's the direction things are headed, for better or for worse.
>already lost when XFS and ZFS are both vastly superior.
I specified on the desktop, and I don't think there's a single desktop installer that uses ZFS or XFS by default. It's all BTRFS or EXT4.
>Btrfs
Deprecated by Bcachefs
No it's not
wow that notch is disgusting. at least it has face id.
It is, it's apparantly to steer people like me out. I have my software often hang around in the status bar, because it doesn't deserve dock space, it's for status bars.
I HATE Xcode and switched to other IDEs.
Look at that response for jumping ship and knowing internals of OS X. Hostile as fffuuuaarrk, I almost feel honoured by his (Tim CЯook) shitty cactus circle. Pff.
Make it closed source
that computer is competitive because you don't understand it or you are profiting from it
Some corporation needs to make a fork that's designed for normal people and give a huge middle finger to FOSS autists without giving a single fuck about any of the retarded things they stand for.
There's zero reason to use linux outside of FOSS principles. It's main attraction is the fact that no company controls your computing device, you have freedom to not update, freedom to check the source code and see if it's trusted and working in your favor, and freedom to edit the code and mold the computer in whatever you want it to be. FOSS autists just need to stop forking. UUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOH IMM GONNA FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKKKKKKKK IM FOOOOOOORKING ALL OVER THE PLACE IM IM IM M GONNA FOOOOOOOOOOOORK.
>FOSS autists just need to stop forking
But they won't, so the only hope is for a corporation to make a fork that doesn't become 2000% hostile to normal non-autistic people as soon as they try to do anything besides installing outdated preset apps from the app store.
Normal forks happen because every tranny wants to be the center of attention. The only way to truly win is to have a pure profit motive and make something that people actually want and need.
The only way to make a TRULY good OS is for someone with a lot of passion and skill to make one, but Linux is far, FAR too big and bloated for anyone to do that. It can happen if you make an OS from scratch, but then it isn't Linux, thus it isn't a valid way to fix linux.
Unironically Fedora, especially Fedora Silverblue is the future. It's just a shame that GNOME is so fucking confusing and becoming more and more retarded as time passes. It stays relatively up to date, has a big company behind it, is still fully FOSS, has a large package manager, immutable distro, relatively vanilla and "just werks". Perfect mix of Arch's bleeding edge and Debians stability. Only thing I dislike about Fedora is their shit embarassing neckbeard name.
isnt that how all these forks spring up? people think they have the solution to all the other forks and end up creating yet another fork
Just like that XKCD comic
that's pretty much what Canonical was trying to do with Ubuntu, but every time they had tried a move (Ubuntu One, Unity, Mir, Snap) the autistic linux community get mad and boycott them because they don't like changes.
>Gaslighting Canonical employee
no homosexual, the reason why the freetard community hates them (rightly so) is because they try to put spyware and make some parts of their OS proprietary with lame excuses at every corner and chance they think they can get away with.
the whole point of Linux is NOT to use spyware and/or proprietary software, with the exception of maybe some proprietary firmware and driver blobs as those are necessary for 99% of hardware out there.
This, I didn't forget about the amazon spyware they're such slimy israelite
>But you'll tolerate spyware that makes you CPU wok, whats one more blob?
Yeah because that benefits ME, how does letting Amazon spy on me benefit ME?
>More accurate ads and product recommendations
Fuck off, once compromised always compromised
Does Tuxedo fall into that category?
Preinstall it on all PCs and laptops.
This is literally the main reason it's not more popular - people don't want to deal with installing an OS.
People buy laptops with Linux because it's simply cheaper to replace it with a pirated Windows than to buy OEM
>install picrel
>PC explodes
tfw
I buy devices with linux to make sure they don't have some undocumented issue that doesn't play nice with non-windows OS 🙁
Last time I didn't do this, every distro I tried had an issue with the laptop's GPU where it would cause the screen to go black. I had to run everything in software rendering mode using the nomodeset parameter upon booting. Since then I decided not to purchase anything unless I was sure it was supported. Easiest way to verify that besides looking for compatibility lists online is to buy a device that comes installed with a linux distro.
consistency
ease of use
comes preinstalled
all things that linux will likely never have due to its very fragmented nature
Not even that. Just make it so I don't have to ever type anything into a console ever and make it so programs and games are better organized with their own individual folder instead of shitting the files wherever and you'd be golden. It's absolute garbage when I want to install something and I have to scroll through different install instructions for the various distros and have to settle on debian because it's just the closest. Hell, go ahead and reorganize the system folders so it's not all jumbled in retarded meaningless folders like /etc/ and that would help a lot too.
I guaranfuckingtee you that forcing new users to look up youtube videos to do basic shit and getting greeted with a street shitting punjabi is 90% of the problem.
ubuntu, SUSE, or arch. You need nothing else.
OpenSUSE is gigabased, and I hope germans buy it back properly and try to get schools/hospitals/government entities to use OpenSUSE enterprise spins. It's retarded that Europe completely relies on America when it comes to operating systems and just runs our entire infrastructure on closed-source OS that pings back to America. Complete total american golem moment
They park their nukes with us. We germans are constantly looking into USAs nuke barrel. And they call Germany the center of EU, for some reason. So there you have it, it's yet another circlejerk.
We need chyner
You don't. At the moment it's almost reduced to the optimal level of suck. Any further and we'll start seeing Linux tiktok thots and the normies will start flooding in.
The worst part is that you are correct
this
keep it niche and out of the public eye
it keeps more security by obscurity that way too
That's because it isn't mainstream and titok foids use it for attention. Make it as ubiquitous as Android or Windows is and there won't be any attention whoring to be done with Linux.
>there won't be any attention whoring to be done with Linux
There also won't be a Linux worth using any more.
we dont
and that's a good thing
It's doing fine. If you want to help, contribute via bug reports or PRs to the software you use every day.
You need design.
You need unified interface standard.
You need quality defaults.
You need minimal consensus.*
You need DESIGN. "it just works"
*At least an agreed upon "here's default distro for everyone" while all the dicklets get off with a 69 different distros.
I tried Ubuntu 23.10, Pop OS 22.04 and Fedora 38 yesterday on my laptop
>Ubuntu 23.10
>freeze when I tried to copy paste a large folder from an USB 3 SSD to my drive
>the new TPM encryption feature doesn't work and ask me to enter a key that the Ubuntu installer doesn't show me during or after the installation
>Pop OS 22.04
>freeze when I tried to copy paste a large folder from an USB 3 SSD to my drive
>the fractionnal scaling setup reset every time I log out or go to sleep
>Fedora 38
>was actually the best one
>didn't try the copy paste bug actually because I gave up when I see that VS code UI is blurred as fuck and every fix that I found on Google didn't work, also I need some blackmagic to make my amd egpu works
>I just reinstalled Windows 11 and everything work OOTB
btrfs or ext4?
>we
>no numpad
not with that garbage
Not a Macfag, but a numpad on a laptop is a waste of time.
>*moves right hand off homerow*
>nothing personelle, kid
>notch
Freetards genocide. I'm quite serious.
Within weeks of removing all the fat, worthless, sweatly, lying autistics, the stench and stigma will wear off, and Desktop Linux will be at 5%. Then suddenly it will be 10%.
Freetards, their terrible presentation, and their even worse "advocacy" has always been what's held Linux back.
Holds Linux back from what exactly?
Remove all the turbo Autism and Linux becomes as shit as Windows.
Unfortunately that's the direction Redhat has been taking us in for the past 10 to 20 years. Especially with shit like gtk, gnome, flatpak, and systemd.
>stigma
stigma balls
you dont
If AMD hadn't disabled ASPM on their newer chipsets it would have much better battery life and Linux would be competitive
For some unknown reason AMD decided to prevent ASPM entirely in all new laptop devices using their chipsets
You don't. Everything normies touch turns to braindead shit.
why would you make linux be filled with even more normies than it already is?
I want big companies to port their proprietary shit to Linux
lol
lmao even
Get a job
Get fucked
It's amazing how easy it is to offend a snowflake like you
stop projecting
stop being a slave and this will stop being a problem
How to stop being a slave to SolidWorks?
FreeCAD
Not even close
Why not? There will always be some garbage distro that requires autistic skills supreme to effectively use. You wouldn't miss out on the standard Linux experience.
normies have nothing they can contribute with, it is just wasted effort
NTA, I agree that mass appeal would ruin Linux but at the same time if you want to take full advantage of your computer you need the software that comes from giant corpos.
By charging money for it.
Put Linux on a nice fucking laptop. I'd love a more open equivalent of the MacBook Air I have. Lightweight, fanless, basically runs at room temp for day-to-day tasks, decent screen, good trackpad, reasonable keyboard.
So many windows laptops miss out on the basics because they are cutting those corners to compete on performance.
>Nu-Thinkpads come with a single sodimm slot
>It's fucking soldered
Nobody is even making nice fucking laptops anymore, framework, elitebook and uh is that it? Basically, yeah.
They all gave up and Apple cheated and made a phone that looks like a duck and quacks like a duck but is in fact a phone
The dell 2 in 1 I got has no soldered ram and an m.2 slot though it came with an optane drive which I promptly replaced
Thinkpads arent the enterprise machines they used to be, theyre just riding on the name and selling themselves at an insane markup for prosumers and businesses that have contracts with lenovo
Really it's just waiting out apple and Microsoft to fuck up so substantially that they lose market share over screwing their customer base
What were competing on is mostly just market share rather than availability of software or quality of software these days
Chrome OS proved you don't actually need windows for anything unless you're a gamer and macOS is doing fine without any games, so Linux has a huge leg up with proton
you cant
bump
a fork where everything just werks (probably using gnome)
a cohesive app store to easily install third party applications
Microsoft Office support
First party hardware distributors selling it at retail
Basically as easy as buying and setting up a Chromebook
Windows is on a slow decline at the moment to Mac OS so it may well happen if MS loose too much market share and the hardware vendors get too irritated
big if though