how do i escape this

im 10 months in (good dose since december) and this my body frick i just want my body too look atleast a touch feminine frick i hate my hips and my waist ughhh frick

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>>/b/
    is time to stop, anon

  2. 10 months ago
    Julie

    work out and eat. Or cut first if you want to lose male belly fat.
    Jelly of your small shoulders and arms tbh

    • 10 months ago
      mcboymoder

      bro i went down a stone and half and regained it while i was on estrogen i hate this so much

      • 10 months ago
        Julie

        regained too early or too fast probably. Repeat the process if your levels are good now. Not much else to do

  3. 10 months ago
    normaIize not voicetraining

    fix your diet, exercise, surgery
    thats ur answer now never post ur body like that again lol

    • 10 months ago
      mcboymoder

      im literally hon body, pooner face, i hate this so much 🙁

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pooner face
        that's not a bad thing

        • 10 months ago
          mcboymoder

          i know but it's literally the question
          >"would you rather have a passoid face and hon body or a hon face but a passoid body"
          ughh i just wanna look like the opposite of a rectangle

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            is better to have a passing face and a hon body otherwise you're gonna end up like that homie: "normalize not voicetraining"

      • 10 months ago
        normaIize not voicetraining

        ur not gonna like this answer but you need to gain like 40-50lbs and get some feminine fat on you
        ur body looks like shit rn bc u have nothing to work with. women have higher bf% dont fall for the ana meme that makes hons

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          if you have huge shoulders, gaining weight won’t work it just makes you a gigahonbeast

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            op can cut after she gains, but rn her body is in a null state where rapid change is necessary

        • 10 months ago
          mcboymoder

          i know i might just chubby mode it honestly if it help with me passing

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ur body looks like shit rn
          homie he/she look fine, the problem here is not working out, trying to avoid hugboxing but you ended being schizo

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            >he/she looks fine
            >he/she

            op is trying to be a she, by virtue of you saying he/she, she does NOT look fine
            moron? you? yes. moron!

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          ana is not a meme unless u have good fat distribution which op clearly doesn't have being fatter is only going to accentuate her abysmal hip to waist ratio

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            i started pio the other day im hoping it does smth

        • 10 months ago
          Julie

          40-50 is a bit much. OP is probably like 130lbs rn. 20-30 would be enough pretty sure

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            yea thats p fair I agree

            is better to have a passing face and a hon body otherwise you're gonna end up like that homie: "normalize not voicetraining"

            kys

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    you're still being hondosed lmao.. I started in January and have better results at full dose. Get your levels checked and switch to injections and exercise.

    • 10 months ago
      mcboymoder

      im on 12mg cypro and 6mg of estrogel to my balls, im getting my levels checked on wednesday

      • 10 months ago
        normaIize not voicetraining

        >that shitty stack
        lmfao get ur self together wtf is that

        • 10 months ago
          mcboymoder

          wdym

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            you need to be on injections, prog, and a dht blocker
            crypo sucks and who tf uses estrogel

            this was me in december, i was about a stone and a half lighter, my waist was a lot thinner but so was my hips, i gained weight as i thought it would go to my hips instead of my stomach but doesnt seem to be the case

            ur on a hon dose do u even know ur levels rn?

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            i litteraly said im getting it checked on wednesday, i cant do injections currently but will do when i move out, my parents dont like that im on hrt, there gonna freak out more if i have some needles stashed, and i onow its doing smth cause my nipples hurt 24/7

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            im referring to the last time you got it checked so if the implication is that within the almost year of you taking hrt that ur first time getting ur levels checked is on le wednesday and given ur current amount of progress id say ur fricking urself over hormonally

            she could be on a hondose or she could have shitty genetics not everyone's biological response to estrogen is the same.

            who tf gets results with estrogel everyone is on injections

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            im scared of needle's alright damn, ive had my blood checked once at the very start just to see if i was healthy enough, then ive tried 3 separate times to do it but they stab me like 7 times and just cant draw any blood from me and by that point im fricking so anxious i just throw up, i hate so badly alright 🙁

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            ngmi im sorry u dont want it bad enough
            transition rlly isnt for everyone

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            shut up i will pass i will pass, i have so much potential, im taking pio, there are anons on here who have never even had there blood checked and have been on it for years, i will pass idc idc your name is litteraly called "im lazy"

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            injections are not necessary they are just cheaper than pills but there's no scientific evidence supporting better results w injections on the long run again if u are scared of needles or think u'll frick it up (as i am) just take pills don't waste ur money on estrogel which clearly you aren't responding to or worse fricking pio which is literally broscience

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            why the hate on estrogel i do t understand?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            not enough e probably the reason u look like a deflated boy w low t
            btw why r u defending it so much like i think it'd be better for us to be right abt u taking a hondose cuz if u arent there's probably no improvement that could be made to ur current body other than losing weight.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            as i said before im not even on e rn just planning on taking pills in a few months i look kind of similar to u (at least in bf distribution) that's why im saying ur body fat distribution is clearly that of a male

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            hahahahah homie u got filtered by needles and are taking a one a day women's multivitamin tier dose, we arent on the same level

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            >using the nword
            very fembrained

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            im black u ugly frick also wtf do u know about fembrained homie do u even wear makeup? have u ever even girlmoded before? kys moronic boy"moder" ( its not a mode when u just look like a boy btw)
            also posting my fat fem ass just to mog ur nasty rectangle moid body

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            i will get ass

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            based tbh but u gotta fix ur dose and get over your fear of needles u are fricked until then

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            its not needles its more the blood leaving my body

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            theres gonna be more blood coming from ur body if u ACK from turning into a hon from never fixing ur levels

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            im not gonna turn into a hon, i know its working somewaht my face is clear as frick and my eyes have gotten bigger, my skin is completely different, i am getting fat disribution its just slow as frick, i used to have and even worser body than this, i wouldnt call myself a hon im more like an amab pooner

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            do u have pre hrt pics?

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            i only have face

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >shut up i will pass i will pass
            jesus christ calm down
            >i have so much potential
            a literal potato has infinitely more potential than you, potential means jack shit if you're gonna do something like
            >pio
            you need a reality check. There is no miracle drug that'll cheat force a fem distribution besides estrogen. You are going to frick your bone density, frick your blood sugar levels, risk anemia and worse, risk breaking bones, all because a couple of hons on here are convinced that piog will fix their hon bodies? No, you fricking idiot. You need proper diet and exercise, and you need to get your levels checked. You haven't even been on hrt for a year. Not only that, you're on meme dosages, cypro and fricking gel. The only reason you're getting some chest growth is because cypro is good at supressing T. I doubt you have any E in your system. Get on injections ASAP and stop experimenting with drugs that have serious side effects. You're young, don't be a dumbshit

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            try to get pills/patches then everything's better than fricking estrogel

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            patches suck ass actually

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >who tf gets results with estrogel everyone is on injections
            oh ok i didn't read that yeah i guess that explains her deflated boy appearance as she's basically only taking anti androgens

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            she could be on a hondose or she could have shitty genetics not everyone's biological response to estrogen is the same.

      • 10 months ago
        Julie

        >12mg cypro daily
        damn 10 of that shit makes me highkey depressed and mental. Hope it’s better for you

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    and yeah this. the most obvious path looking at ur bf% would be leaning down but you cant given ur probably underweight and lets be honest metabolically obese so ur only path from here is gaining some muscle and then leaning down. ur body has not been treated correctly for many years, that's what creates a skinny fat look and undoing that is going to take some time, i'm currently on the cutting phase and im not remotely close to my goal, it is a mentally draining and tedious process but it's better to start now than never.

  6. 10 months ago
    mcboymoder

    this was me in december, i was about a stone and a half lighter, my waist was a lot thinner but so was my hips, i gained weight as i thought it would go to my hips instead of my stomach but doesnt seem to be the case

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      the only way to look girlish with a typically male fat distribution is being really lean, that's why u'll never see a fat femboy twink cuz all of their fat goes directly to their tummy as with most males and some females.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you fricked up, thats a cute girl tummy.

      It's cool though lose the weight again. Then, when you've done that, regain it as ass muscle doing hip thrusts and glute bridges at the gym.

      Your goal is ass hypertrophy, for which you should do those exercises with the heaviest weight you can manage - your muscles should fail on the 8-12th rep. If you can do 13 reps of a weight you aren't lifting heavy enough. Get a barbell if you need to.

      You should do 8 sets of that, with some other cardio in between. it'll take an hour and a half with rest periods and all. Do it 3 times a week and REST on the days after you do it. Get good sleep. Eat protein. Don't be afraid of the protein powder shakes and stuff, this makes it easier to build muscle. Creatine can help too. Don't worry, you won't look like a bodybuilder because you're limiting it to your ass muscles. Women with extremely muscular asses just look hyper feminine, not like bodybuilders (that's mostly limbs/shoulders stuff)

      You can also take domperidone for the breasts if yours refuse to grow. Massage 4 times a day and you'll start to make milk. It's inconvenient to deal with all the milk but it does consume body fat SUPER fast when you're making milk, plus you get giant breasts until you stop. A friend of mine is on it permanently just because her breasts look spectacular when full of milk. No joke best breasts I've ever seen. Just do realize then when you go OFF of domp you'll be a complete psycho for 3 weeks, the withdrawal symptoms make you very mean. If you can't handle the time commitment of domp/massage you can always just pay for breast implants.

      Finally you can get body sculpting procedures at a plastic surgeon or dermasthetic clinic. BBL or fat transfer kind of thing. Coolsculpting also works and is real, same with the laser one. You basically nuke the fat cells in the belly, and fat cells don't come back they just expand. So you can freely gain weight then and none will go to your belly.

      You have options.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >i was about a stone and a half lighter,
      Are you a caveman? What kind of goofy ass unti of measurement is that?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      When I first looked at this, i thought the bed was your shirt and underwear, and was confused why you had hair growing on the side of your body.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    flexing none existing ass, couldn't be me

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      you look like shit despite the angles lol you shouldnt be giving advice

      that armor looks like a former fatty with an inflated ego. He indeed doesn't have an ass, but I mean he doesn't look bad. I agree though, shouldn't be giving advice at all, or have such a smug attitude when he doesn't look all that good

      i started pio the other day im hoping it does smth

      >hasn't even been on hrt for a year
      >wants to start pio
      don't be a fricking moron
      don't take diabetic meds, it's not gonna work and it's just gonna frick your metabolism
      wait for the hrt to work first before delving into pseuoscience, dumbshit

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >pio
        >don't take diabetic meds, it's not gonna work and it's just gonna frick your metabolism
        source: this crack pipe

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >crack pipe
          >me
          >for refusing to partake in hon experiments
          are you serious right now? There is absolutely no proof that shit works, it's not accepted in any trans regiments, just a crazy russian living in thailand posting his so called 'results'
          all anecdotes I've seen on other forums, from people using it for weight gain purposes, have left them completely sabotaged in regards to their energy levels, their bone density, swelling, metabolism
          it's a diabetic drug that even diabetics hate. You morons taking piog and metfor as miracle drugs are completely fricking yourselves over and you don't even know it

          PROPER LEVELS, EXERCISE, DIET. That's all you need

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            sry it didn't work for u
            t. 2.5 months in with no sides

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree with them too and am on team Pio.
            But come on. For passing Voice training is far more important than Pio.
            If you're gonna do Pio for min-maxing purposes, you absolutely should be doing voice-training.

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            im not on my adhd meds rn its too hard to voicetrain consistently irl i just want to stim and make moronic voices to my gf and all my music i like singing to has moid vocals its just hard rn

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >im not on my adhd meds rn its too hard to voicetrain consistently irl i just want to stim and make moronic voices to my gf and all my music i like singing to has moid vocals its just hard rn
            I hear ya and understandable. Taking a med is easy but voice training is trickier
            Seems like getting your meds would be the main thing to work on

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Taking a med is easy but voice training is trickier
            this is why I can't understand you piog pushing tards. Literally just hit the gym and eat right, that's all you have to do. Don't delve into taking some risky untested drugs that will frick you over in the long term. Stop trying to take shortcuts and just stop being lazy
            even assuming it does work (it doesn't), you're just trying to take shortcuts, and you'll bounce back harder than a fatty on ozempic or a fatty getting gastric bypass surgery. Just stop being lazy

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >believe gym is the key to feminization
            >also anti weight loss surgery
            Ah well. I guess it's true that gym cultists can't be reasoned with.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            most people start to get bone aches after the 3 month mark
            besides the horrible side effects, you're also putting more of a strain on your liver for no gain whatsoever. Piog doesn't give fem fat distribution, despite whatever honscience you heard on here

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            works on my machine

            >im not on my adhd meds rn its too hard to voicetrain consistently irl i just want to stim and make moronic voices to my gf and all my music i like singing to has moid vocals its just hard rn
            I hear ya and understandable. Taking a med is easy but voice training is trickier
            Seems like getting your meds would be the main thing to work on

            im trying ok?

            >Taking a med is easy but voice training is trickier
            this is why I can't understand you piog pushing tards. Literally just hit the gym and eat right, that's all you have to do. Don't delve into taking some risky untested drugs that will frick you over in the long term. Stop trying to take shortcuts and just stop being lazy
            even assuming it does work (it doesn't), you're just trying to take shortcuts, and you'll bounce back harder than a fatty on ozempic or a fatty getting gastric bypass surgery. Just stop being lazy

            i hip thrust 4pl8s for reps and can squat 2pl8 for 4x12 dont talk to me about the gym plz

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            your gainz can be attributed to the gym, not this meme drug

            >besides the horrible side effects, you're also putting more of a strain on your liver for no gain whatsoever. Piog doesn't give fem fat distribution, despite whatever honscience you heard on here
            Baseless fearmongering.
            Oh well.
            There's quite a few studies such as this one on PCOS patients demonstrating Pio is useful for lower body fat distribution.
            https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/92/5/1710/2598363
            >Combined Low-Dose Pioglitazone, Flutamide, and Metformin for Women with Androgen Excess
            >PioFluMet treatment was followed by a leaner body composition and a loss of visceral fat (both P < 0.001). In the total group, the changes included not only decreases in waist to hip ratio, hirsutism score, and testosterone (all P < 0.001) but also minor drops in alanine aminotransferase, aspartate aminotransferase, γ-glutamyl transpeptidase, and lactate dehydrogenase (all P < 0.005), indicating absence of hepatotoxicity; BMI remained unchanged. Clinical side effects were not detected.
            They treated PCOS with metformin + flutamida and used that as the control. Then they gave the Pio group metformin + flutamide + Pio.
            The Pio group experienced a larger drop in visc fat and gain in subc fat.
            >Pio addition to FluMet was followed by additional benefits such as a leaner body composition and a loss of visceral fat (baseline vs. 6 months; P < 0.001 for both), a further reduction of IMT and body adiposity (PioFluMet vs. FluMet; P < 0.05 for 0- to 6-month changes in both markers). Other effects of Pio addition were a lowering of fasting glycemia and LDL to HDL ratio as well as further reductions of circulating IGF-I and inflammatory markers such as CRP and neutrophil to lymphocyte ratio

            Also the sample:
            >In this proof-of-concept study, the population consisted of 38 young women with hyperinsulinemic hyperandrogenism [mean ± SEM; age 19.6 ± 0.3 yr; range 18–24 yr; body mass index (BMI) 23.7 ± 0.5 kg/m2, range 19.5–29.0 kg/m2; 5–12 yr after menarche; Table 1].

            >l-look!!! one study where people mixed a wienertail of diabetic drugs with terrible side effects and they got SOME loss of bad fat!!
            yeah, enjoy being an anemic idiot with weak bones and no energy or gainz, because that's what metformin and piog will do, as well as gastrointestinal issues. Jesus Christ you old hons are delusional. Worst of all you drag youngshits like OP into your delusions where they will perma frick their bodies before turning 30

            >believe gym is the key to feminization
            >also anti weight loss surgery
            Ah well. I guess it's true that gym cultists can't be reasoned with.

            ozempic is a cheat code drug that causes more problems than it fixes, and people on it tend to rebound and still eat like shit, they don't fix the root issue
            gastric bypass fatties inevitably rebound, and it's incredibly dangerous as well
            stop being lazy, true change comes from within, not a fricking pill. Stop being lazy and motivate yourself instead of relying on miracle methods that will frick you up. Dumbass

          • 10 months ago
            normaIize not voicetraining

            >your gainz can be attributed to the gym, not this meme drug
            the two arent mutually exclusive buddy

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >besides the horrible side effects, you're also putting more of a strain on your liver for no gain whatsoever. Piog doesn't give fem fat distribution, despite whatever honscience you heard on here
            Baseless fearmongering.
            Oh well.
            There's quite a few studies such as this one on PCOS patients demonstrating Pio is useful for lower body fat distribution.
            https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/92/5/1710/2598363
            >Combined Low-Dose Pioglitazone, Flutamide, and Metformin for Women with Androgen Excess
            >PioFluMet treatment was followed by a leaner body composition and a loss of visceral fat (both P < 0.001). In the total group, the changes included not only decreases in waist to hip ratio, hirsutism score, and testosterone (all P < 0.001) but also minor drops in alanine aminotransferase, aspartate aminotransferase, γ-glutamyl transpeptidase, and lactate dehydrogenase (all P < 0.005), indicating absence of hepatotoxicity; BMI remained unchanged. Clinical side effects were not detected.
            They treated PCOS with metformin + flutamida and used that as the control. Then they gave the Pio group metformin + flutamide + Pio.
            The Pio group experienced a larger drop in visc fat and gain in subc fat.
            >Pio addition to FluMet was followed by additional benefits such as a leaner body composition and a loss of visceral fat (baseline vs. 6 months; P < 0.001 for both), a further reduction of IMT and body adiposity (PioFluMet vs. FluMet; P < 0.05 for 0- to 6-month changes in both markers). Other effects of Pio addition were a lowering of fasting glycemia and LDL to HDL ratio as well as further reductions of circulating IGF-I and inflammatory markers such as CRP and neutrophil to lymphocyte ratio

            Also the sample:
            >In this proof-of-concept study, the population consisted of 38 young women with hyperinsulinemic hyperandrogenism [mean ± SEM; age 19.6 ± 0.3 yr; range 18–24 yr; body mass index (BMI) 23.7 ± 0.5 kg/m2, range 19.5–29.0 kg/m2; 5–12 yr after menarche; Table 1].

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Here's a 3 year Pio follow-up study. Like that one it also uses a combo-therapy. Again in PCOS:
            https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.3109/09513590.2010.487589
            >Low-dose polytherapy for 30 months was not accompanied by a change in body weight or bone-mineral density but it was associated with a marked rise of insulin sensitvity, with a loss of visceral fat (mean -27%)
            >Low-dose polytherapy with pioglitazone[7.5mg], flutamide, metformin, and estro-progestagen was found to improve, without changing weight, a spectrum of long-term health markers in young-women with hyperinsulinemic androgen excess

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you look like shit despite the angles lol you shouldnt be giving advice

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you look like shit
      another moron exaggerating cuz they want to avoid hugboxing

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        head on you look like an average dude though its onvious

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're literally 10 months god every bdd youngshit is so impatient grow tf up
    Most don't see real distribution for years, i didn't see much of anything until year 2
    Also eat more

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      i started in november of last year and i already have b***h breasts what does that mean?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone gets b***h breasts I'm talking about fat redistribution
        Op isn't even on injections whining about no fat redistribution lol istg y'all are hopeless

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get the flat tummy first, that's the most important part

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    how bad is it?
    it's over or there is hope?
    https://unsee cc/album#d9pQZKwpL2mGCbqs

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      are u on hrt? regardless u look really cute but if ur posting it u clearly aren't satisfied with ur current look.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >are u on hrt?
        yes

        >u clearly aren't satisfied with ur current look.
        want to know what others might think of how i look since i might be delusional

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you drink or smoke?
    What medications are you on?
    Do you have any other health conditions or family history of certain conditions?
    Are you diabetic?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anyways. While I posted the Pio studies and think there's something to it I wouldn't go immediately to Pio to fix OP's issues.
      I think it's likely there's more going on with OP that is actively sabotaging them and if they're being actively sabotaged, then that'll sabotage Pio too.
      So OP, answer the questions in
      Are you smoking? Are you drinking? Are you on any medications such as allergy meds?
      Does your family have a history of any medical conditions?

      • 10 months ago
        mcboymoder

        all no

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >all no
          So you don't drink or smoke at all?
          Have you been to see a doctor and have they run any health panels on you? Like if you're had hrt prescribed they usually run those

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            yeah i said no to all cause i meant it, ive had like 3 drinks since starting hrt if you count that as drinking

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            And your family has never been sick with anything ever?

          • 10 months ago
            mcboymoder

            my grandad and two uncles had cancer but i have like 11 uncles and saying cancer is basically saying your gonna grow old since its so common

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >my grandad and two uncles had cancer but i have like 11 uncles and saying cancer is basically saying your gonna grow old since its so common
            Hmm. Still interesting nothing else.
            I'd get your thyroid and HbA1C checked

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    how tall are you?

    • 10 months ago
      mcboymoder

      174cm

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        i dont speak spanish

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    levels, diet, stressors, exercise, try those first
    go get ur visceral fat area measured, so you know you're not barking up the wrong tree w/pio and the rest of it
    can get it done at a gym or sports health clinic, electrode measurement (not entirely accurate but good enough)
    u on private or the nhs? maybe ask them to swap you to a gnrh analogue, or bica (if u got sensitive ARs), sell ur gel for injections and coast down to 200 for tests (trial an error), if you don't get that right just lie and say u fricked up application lol (I honed mine in w/medichecks beforehand so I know what dose over what period gives me that lvl)

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >sell ur gel for injections
      Oh they're on gel. Makes sense.
      Yea OP, switch to injections.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    you actually don't have a terrible baseline, but you need to start lifting some god damned weights. find a barbell or a big rock and start doing deadlifts, squats, and hip thrusts.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally i have got always values of e between 110 and 200 pg/ml with estrogel which is what defines a good level of e..and yet i got almost no result...bad genetics is bad genetics...egel is effective as long as you absorb it...anyway it's worth to try everything including dht testing and bbl..and well waiting

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    As long as your values from bloodtests of e are good values the estrogel is just as effective as other forms of e....so if your value from blood test is good but no results...it just mean bad genetics

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