im 10 months in (good dose since december) and this my body fuck i just want my body too look atleast a touch feminine fuck i hate my hips and my waist ughhh fuck
how do i escape this
im 10 months in (good dose since december) and this my body fuck i just want my body too look atleast a touch feminine fuck i hate my hips and my waist ughhh fuck
>>>/b/
is time to stop, anon
work out and eat. Or cut first if you want to lose male belly fat.
Jelly of your small shoulders and arms tbh
bro i went down a stone and half and regained it while i was on estrogen i hate this so much
regained too early or too fast probably. Repeat the process if your levels are good now. Not much else to do
fix your diet, exercise, surgery
thats ur answer now never post ur body like that again lol
im literally hon body, pooner face, i hate this so much 🙁
>pooner face
that's not a bad thing
i know but it's literally the question
>"would you rather have a passoid face and hon body or a hon face but a passoid body"
ughh i just wanna look like the opposite of a rectangle
is better to have a passing face and a hon body otherwise you're gonna end up like that nigga: "normalize not voicetraining"
ur not gonna like this answer but you need to gain like 40-50lbs and get some feminine fat on you
ur body looks like shit rn bc u have nothing to work with. women have higher bf% dont fall for the ana meme that makes hons
if you have huge shoulders, gaining weight won’t work it just makes you a gigahonbeast
op can cut after she gains, but rn her body is in a null state where rapid change is necessary
i know i might just chubby mode it honestly if it help with me passing
>ur body looks like shit rn
nigga he/she look fine, the problem here is not working out, trying to avoid hugboxing but you ended being schizo
>he/she looks fine
>he/she
op is trying to be a she, by virtue of you saying he/she, she does NOT look fine
retard? you? yes. retard!
ana is not a meme unless u have good fat distribution which op clearly doesn't have being fatter is only going to accentuate her abysmal hip to waist ratio
i started pio the other day im hoping it does smth
40-50 is a bit much. OP is probably like 130lbs rn. 20-30 would be enough pretty sure
yea thats p fair I agree
kys
you're still being hondosed lmao.. I started in January and have better results at full dose. Get your levels checked and switch to injections and exercise.
im on 12mg cypro and 6mg of estrogel to my balls, im getting my levels checked on wednesday
>that shitty stack
lmfao get ur self together wtf is that
wdym
you need to be on injections, prog, and a dht blocker
crypo sucks and who tf uses estrogel
ur on a hon dose do u even know ur levels rn?
i litteraly said im getting it checked on wednesday, i cant do injections currently but will do when i move out, my parents dont like that im on hrt, there gonna freak out more if i have some needles stashed, and i onow its doing smth cause my nipples hurt 24/7
im referring to the last time you got it checked so if the implication is that within the almost year of you taking hrt that ur first time getting ur levels checked is on le wednesday and given ur current amount of progress id say ur fucking urself over hormonally
who tf gets results with estrogel everyone is on injections
im scared of needle's alright damn, ive had my blood checked once at the very start just to see if i was healthy enough, then ive tried 3 separate times to do it but they stab me like 7 times and just cant draw any blood from me and by that point im fucking so anxious i just throw up, i hate so badly alright 🙁
ngmi im sorry u dont want it bad enough
transition rlly isnt for everyone
shut up i will pass i will pass, i have so much potential, im taking pio, there are anons on here who have never even had there blood checked and have been on it for years, i will pass idc idc your name is litteraly called "im lazy"
injections are not necessary they are just cheaper than pills but there's no scientific evidence supporting better results w injections on the long run again if u are scared of needles or think u'll fuck it up (as i am) just take pills don't waste ur money on estrogel which clearly you aren't responding to or worse fucking pio which is literally broscience
why the hate on estrogel i do t understand?
not enough e probably the reason u look like a deflated boy w low t
btw why r u defending it so much like i think it'd be better for us to be right abt u taking a hondose cuz if u arent there's probably no improvement that could be made to ur current body other than losing weight.
as i said before im not even on e rn just planning on taking pills in a few months i look kind of similar to u (at least in bf distribution) that's why im saying ur body fat distribution is clearly that of a male
hahahahah nigga u got filtered by needles and are taking a one a day women's multivitamin tier dose, we arent on the same level
>using the nword
very fembrained
im black u ugly fuck also wtf do u know about fembrained nigga do u even wear makeup? have u ever even girlmoded before? kys retarded boy"moder" ( its not a mode when u just look like a boy btw)
also posting my fat fem ass just to mog ur nasty rectangle moid body
i will get ass
based tbh but u gotta fix ur dose and get over your fear of needles u are fucked until then
its not needles its more the blood leaving my body
theres gonna be more blood coming from ur body if u ACK from turning into a hon from never fixing ur levels
im not gonna turn into a hon, i know its working somewaht my face is clear as fuck and my eyes have gotten bigger, my skin is completely different, i am getting fat disribution its just slow as fuck, i used to have and even worser body than this, i wouldnt call myself a hon im more like an amab pooner
do u have pre hrt pics?
i only have face
>shut up i will pass i will pass
jesus christ calm down
>i have so much potential
a literal potato has infinitely more potential than you, potential means jack shit if you're gonna do something like
>pio
you need a reality check. There is no miracle drug that'll cheat force a fem distribution besides estrogen. You are going to fuck your bone density, fuck your blood sugar levels, risk anemia and worse, risk breaking bones, all because a couple of hons on here are convinced that piog will fix their hon bodies? No, you fucking idiot. You need proper diet and exercise, and you need to get your levels checked. You haven't even been on hrt for a year. Not only that, you're on meme dosages, cypro and fucking gel. The only reason you're getting some chest growth is because cypro is good at supressing T. I doubt you have any E in your system. Get on injections ASAP and stop experimenting with drugs that have serious side effects. You're young, don't be a dumbshit
try to get pills/patches then everything's better than fucking estrogel
patches suck ass actually
>who tf gets results with estrogel everyone is on injections
oh ok i didn't read that yeah i guess that explains her deflated boy appearance as she's basically only taking anti androgens
she could be on a hondose or she could have shitty genetics not everyone's biological response to estrogen is the same.
>12mg cypro daily
damn 10 of that shit makes me highkey depressed and mental. Hope it’s better for you
and yeah this. the most obvious path looking at ur bf% would be leaning down but you cant given ur probably underweight and lets be honest metabolically obese so ur only path from here is gaining some muscle and then leaning down. ur body has not been treated correctly for many years, that's what creates a skinny fat look and undoing that is going to take some time, i'm currently on the cutting phase and im not remotely close to my goal, it is a mentally draining and tedious process but it's better to start now than never.
this was me in december, i was about a stone and a half lighter, my waist was a lot thinner but so was my hips, i gained weight as i thought it would go to my hips instead of my stomach but doesnt seem to be the case
the only way to look girlish with a typically male fat distribution is being really lean, that's why u'll never see a fat femboy twink cuz all of their fat goes directly to their tummy as with most males and some females.
Yeah you fucked up, thats a cute girl tummy.
It's cool though lose the weight again. Then, when you've done that, regain it as ass muscle doing hip thrusts and glute bridges at the gym.
Your goal is ass hypertrophy, for which you should do those exercises with the heaviest weight you can manage - your muscles should fail on the 8-12th rep. If you can do 13 reps of a weight you aren't lifting heavy enough. Get a barbell if you need to.
You should do 8 sets of that, with some other cardio in between. it'll take an hour and a half with rest periods and all. Do it 3 times a week and REST on the days after you do it. Get good sleep. Eat protein. Don't be afraid of the protein powder shakes and stuff, this makes it easier to build muscle. Creatine can help too. Don't worry, you won't look like a bodybuilder because you're limiting it to your ass muscles. Women with extremely muscular asses just look hyper feminine, not like bodybuilders (that's mostly limbs/shoulders stuff)
You can also take domperidone for the tits if yours refuse to grow. Massage 4 times a day and you'll start to make milk. It's inconvenient to deal with all the milk but it does consume body fat SUPER fast when you're making milk, plus you get giant tits until you stop. A friend of mine is on it permanently just because her tits look spectacular when full of milk. No joke best tits I've ever seen. Just do realize then when you go OFF of domp you'll be a complete psycho for 3 weeks, the withdrawal symptoms make you very mean. If you can't handle the time commitment of domp/massage you can always just pay for breast implants.
Finally you can get body sculpting procedures at a plastic surgeon or dermasthetic clinic. BBL or fat transfer kind of thing. Coolsculpting also works and is real, same with the laser one. You basically nuke the fat cells in the belly, and fat cells don't come back they just expand. So you can freely gain weight then and none will go to your belly.
You have options.
>i was about a stone and a half lighter,
Are you a caveman? What kind of goofy ass unti of measurement is that?
When I first looked at this, i thought the bed was your shirt and underwear, and was confused why you had hair growing on the side of your body.
flexing none existing ass, couldn't be me
that armor looks like a former fatty with an inflated ego. He indeed doesn't have an ass, but I mean he doesn't look bad. I agree though, shouldn't be giving advice at all, or have such a smug attitude when he doesn't look all that good
>hasn't even been on hrt for a year
>wants to start pio
don't be a fucking retard
don't take diabetic meds, it's not gonna work and it's just gonna fuck your metabolism
wait for the hrt to work first before delving into pseuoscience, dumbshit
>pio
>don't take diabetic meds, it's not gonna work and it's just gonna fuck your metabolism
source: this crack pipe
>crack pipe
>me
>for refusing to partake in hon experiments
are you serious right now? There is absolutely no proof that shit works, it's not accepted in any trans regiments, just a crazy russian living in thailand posting his so called 'results'
all anecdotes I've seen on other forums, from people using it for weight gain purposes, have left them completely sabotaged in regards to their energy levels, their bone density, swelling, metabolism
it's a diabetic drug that even diabetics hate. You retards taking piog and metfor as miracle drugs are completely fucking yourselves over and you don't even know it
PROPER LEVELS, EXERCISE, DIET. That's all you need
sry it didn't work for u
t. 2.5 months in with no sides
I disagree with them too and am on team Pio.
But come on. For passing Voice training is far more important than Pio.
If you're gonna do Pio for min-maxing purposes, you absolutely should be doing voice-training.
im not on my adhd meds rn its too hard to voicetrain consistently irl i just want to stim and make retarded voices to my gf and all my music i like singing to has moid vocals its just hard rn
>im not on my adhd meds rn its too hard to voicetrain consistently irl i just want to stim and make retarded voices to my gf and all my music i like singing to has moid vocals its just hard rn
I hear ya and understandable. Taking a med is easy but voice training is trickier
Seems like getting your meds would be the main thing to work on
>Taking a med is easy but voice training is trickier
this is why I can't understand you piog pushing tards. Literally just hit the gym and eat right, that's all you have to do. Don't delve into taking some risky untested drugs that will fuck you over in the long term. Stop trying to take shortcuts and just stop being lazy
even assuming it does work (it doesn't), you're just trying to take shortcuts, and you'll bounce back harder than a fatty on ozempic or a fatty getting gastric bypass surgery. Just stop being lazy
>believe gym is the key to feminization
>also anti weight loss surgery
Ah well. I guess it's true that gym cultists can't be reasoned with.
most people start to get bone aches after the 3 month mark
besides the horrible side effects, you're also putting more of a strain on your liver for no gain whatsoever. Piog doesn't give fem fat distribution, despite whatever honscience you heard on here
works on my machine
im trying ok?
i hip thrust 4pl8s for reps and can squat 2pl8 for 4x12 dont talk to me about the gym plz
your gainz can be attributed to the gym, not this meme drug
>l-look!!! one study where people mixed a cocktail of diabetic drugs with terrible side effects and they got SOME loss of bad fat!!
yeah, enjoy being an anemic idiot with weak bones and no energy or gainz, because that's what metformin and piog will do, as well as gastrointestinal issues. Jesus Christ you old hons are delusional. Worst of all you drag youngshits like OP into your delusions where they will perma fuck their bodies before turning 30
ozempic is a cheat code drug that causes more problems than it fixes, and people on it tend to rebound and still eat like shit, they don't fix the root issue
gastric bypass fatties inevitably rebound, and it's incredibly dangerous as well
stop being lazy, true change comes from within, not a fucking pill. Stop being lazy and motivate yourself instead of relying on miracle methods that will fuck you up. Dumbass
>your gainz can be attributed to the gym, not this meme drug
the two arent mutually exclusive buddy
>besides the horrible side effects, you're also putting more of a strain on your liver for no gain whatsoever. Piog doesn't give fem fat distribution, despite whatever honscience you heard on here
Baseless fearmongering.
Oh well.
There's quite a few studies such as this one on PCOS patients demonstrating Pio is useful for lower body fat distribution.
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/92/5/1710/2598363
>Combined Low-Dose Pioglitazone, Flutamide, and Metformin for Women with Androgen Excess
>PioFluMet treatment was followed by a leaner body composition and a loss of visceral fat (both P < 0.001). In the total group, the changes included not only decreases in waist to hip ratio, hirsutism score, and testosterone (all P < 0.001) but also minor drops in alanine aminotransferase, aspartate aminotransferase, γ-glutamyl transpeptidase, and lactate dehydrogenase (all P < 0.005), indicating absence of hepatotoxicity; BMI remained unchanged. Clinical side effects were not detected.
They treated PCOS with metformin + flutamida and used that as the control. Then they gave the Pio group metformin + flutamide + Pio.
The Pio group experienced a larger drop in visc fat and gain in subc fat.
>Pio addition to FluMet was followed by additional benefits such as a leaner body composition and a loss of visceral fat (baseline vs. 6 months; P < 0.001 for both), a further reduction of IMT and body adiposity (PioFluMet vs. FluMet; P < 0.05 for 0- to 6-month changes in both markers). Other effects of Pio addition were a lowering of fasting glycemia and LDL to HDL ratio as well as further reductions of circulating IGF-I and inflammatory markers such as CRP and neutrophil to lymphocyte ratio
Also the sample:
>In this proof-of-concept study, the population consisted of 38 young women with hyperinsulinemic hyperandrogenism [mean ± SEM; age 19.6 ± 0.3 yr; range 18–24 yr; body mass index (BMI) 23.7 ± 0.5 kg/m2, range 19.5–29.0 kg/m2; 5–12 yr after menarche; Table 1].
Here's a 3 year Pio follow-up study. Like that one it also uses a combo-therapy. Again in PCOS:
https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.3109/09513590.2010.487589
>Low-dose polytherapy for 30 months was not accompanied by a change in body weight or bone-mineral density but it was associated with a marked rise of insulin sensitvity, with a loss of visceral fat (mean -27%)
>Low-dose polytherapy with pioglitazone[7.5mg], flutamide, metformin, and estro-progestagen was found to improve, without changing weight, a spectrum of long-term health markers in young-women with hyperinsulinemic androgen excess
you look like shit despite the angles lol you shouldnt be giving advice
>you look like shit
another retard exaggerating cuz they want to avoid hugboxing
head on you look like an average dude though its onvious
You're literally 10 months god every bdd youngshit is so impatient grow tf up
Most don't see real distribution for years, i didn't see much of anything until year 2
Also eat more
i started in november of last year and i already have bitch tits what does that mean?
Everyone gets bitch tits I'm talking about fat redistribution
Op isn't even on injections whining about no fat redistribution lol istg y'all are hopeless
Get the flat tummy first, that's the most important part
how bad is it?
it's over or there is hope?
https://unsee cc/album#d9pQZKwpL2mGCbqs
are u on hrt? regardless u look really cute but if ur posting it u clearly aren't satisfied with ur current look.
>are u on hrt?
yes
>u clearly aren't satisfied with ur current look.
want to know what others might think of how i look since i might be delusional
Do you drink or smoke?
What medications are you on?
Do you have any other health conditions or family history of certain conditions?
Are you diabetic?
Anyways. While I posted the Pio studies and think there's something to it I wouldn't go immediately to Pio to fix OP's issues.
I think it's likely there's more going on with OP that is actively sabotaging them and if they're being actively sabotaged, then that'll sabotage Pio too.
So OP, answer the questions in
Are you smoking? Are you drinking? Are you on any medications such as allergy meds?
Does your family have a history of any medical conditions?
all no
>all no
So you don't drink or smoke at all?
Have you been to see a doctor and have they run any health panels on you? Like if you're had hrt prescribed they usually run those
yeah i said no to all cause i meant it, ive had like 3 drinks since starting hrt if you count that as drinking
And your family has never been sick with anything ever?
my grandad and two uncles had cancer but i have like 11 uncles and saying cancer is basically saying your gonna grow old since its so common
>my grandad and two uncles had cancer but i have like 11 uncles and saying cancer is basically saying your gonna grow old since its so common
Hmm. Still interesting nothing else.
I'd get your thyroid and HbA1C checked
how tall are you?
174cm
i dont speak spanish
levels, diet, stressors, exercise, try those first
go get ur visceral fat area measured, so you know you're not barking up the wrong tree w/pio and the rest of it
can get it done at a gym or sports health clinic, electrode measurement (not entirely accurate but good enough)
u on private or the nhs? maybe ask them to swap you to a gnrh analogue, or bica (if u got sensitive ARs), sell ur gel for injections and coast down to 200 for tests (trial an error), if you don't get that right just lie and say u fucked up application lol (I honed mine in w/medichecks beforehand so I know what dose over what period gives me that lvl)
>sell ur gel for injections
Oh they're on gel. Makes sense.
Yea OP, switch to injections.
you actually don't have a terrible baseline, but you need to start lifting some god damned weights. find a barbell or a big rock and start doing deadlifts, squats, and hip thrusts.
Literally i have got always values of e between 110 and 200 pg/ml with estrogel which is what defines a good level of e..and yet i got almost no result...bad genetics is bad genetics...egel is effective as long as you absorb it...anyway it's worth to try everything including dht testing and bbl..and well waiting
As long as your values from bloodtests of e are good values the estrogel is just as effective as other forms of e....so if your value from blood test is good but no results...it just mean bad genetics