How did they do basically photography in the 1200s? Is there any other examples of this?

How did they do basically photography in the 1200s? Is there any other examples of this?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There's a lot of theories as to how the image got on the shroud. Picrel is the one I find most logical. The basic theoretical/technological building blocks for photography were already around in those days. People knew how to make a "dark chamber" or camera oscura to project an outside image onto a wall in a dark room, and they also knew that certain substances have their colour changed by exposure to light. These two things hadn't yet been put together in an effective way, though, and focusing the image at any distance would have required a half decent lens which did not yet exist for these purposes. So that's why I think the image just transferred from contact with a dead guy. The tests found a whole big variety of organic pigments in the image.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry forgot the pic.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry forgot the pic.

      lmao

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If half this bullshit were true there would be no atheists.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Well, the part about pollen is bullshit.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          God doesn't give them the grace to believe because they have despised the truth already.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >truth
            No. Christianity is based on blindness and trickery. How can you look at the world and believe a benevolent entity created it. Deep inside you know this is not true.
            And then you preach about some merciful creator who wants us all to suffer for all eternity if we don't believe in him (despite there being no reason to believe in him).

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

            29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

            30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

            31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            What Book and Chapter is that?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Unrelated to what I said. If god is real then he's a cruel deity that enjoys causing suffering. Everything else is just a cope.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's not misalinged though with early christian gnostic conceptions.
            I agree though, contemporary christianity is a slave factory

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            there is a purpose to suffering. Read

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            So you're supposed to love the god who is giving you suffering (for a test) more than, say, your loved ones or pets. Nigh on impossible. If you're honest. You may be terrified of him, but love? Nope. And you know it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >humans are rational beings who follow the truth instead of their hearts

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There's a difference between knowing and still following a lie, and following something you don't know is a lie.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Are you fricking stupid? Look at the figure. It doesn’t have human proportions. Look at the fricking fingers. This is either a painting in a typical exaggerated Gothic style, or Jesus was a fricking ayylmao.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I never said it wasn't genuine I'm just talking about how the image came to be imprinted.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Saying that it was done in the 1200s is pretty much implying it's not genuine..

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Ah well, maybe I includes too much of an excerpt, but my intention was to argue against OP's photography analogy by suggesting that the image on the shroud was transfered by sitting on the ancient dead guy's face and body (potentially Jesus, possibly some other ancient guy) for several years.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Meh, I remember when that anon posted this shit on IQfy. Others started poking holes in it, and the OP was completely unable to debate, he just posted walls of text copied from Christian websites.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    A million moronic Christians have found Jebus in slices of toast and shit. Who fricking cares about some medieval bath towel

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      only the deeply moronic and/or christcuck will care, shame really

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not saying it's Jesus it's just very fascinating that such a clear image can come from something 800+ years old. Please don't turn this thread into religious debates.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm not saying it's Jesus
        Do you understand the whole concept of photography? It's obvious what was being insinuated with this post.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          As the author of the post I will tell you there is no insinuation.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically the only thing that made me afraid of Christianity being real. I wish they tested the DNA or something and proved once and for all it's just a fake.
    No one truly want the Christian God to be real.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's older than that. The piece they carbon dated was from a corner that had been repaired after a fire

      Name a single God you would rather be real instead of Jesus
      >inb4 Bacchus

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want any Gods. Reality contradicts the existence of any god. Especially a benevolent Christian god.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn't. Computer science, simulation theory and basic thoughts experiments conducted as much as 50 years ago tend to show otherwise.

          Getting into fringe territory here but I've yet to read any convincing theories disproving Itzhak Bentov's work so far.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's all just some semantic nonsense. I don't care about your philosophy. I care about natural sciences.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Oh thanks man. Sparing me the trouble. You've no business talking about god, spirituality, or for that matter anything requiring more than what a calculator can do : you aren't able to do so anyway.

            Hylics need not answer this thread.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How is this named? When there's a holier than thou homosexual that tries to deflect with irrelevant drivel, buzzwords and whatnot, lacking any self awareness.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No need to deflect anything, in fact you provided no substance for debate, instead stating that you didnt simply care.

            No need to hide behind an attitude, you simply cower away from a reality you couldnt be bothered to explore, simply because it's hard to do so. But stay thus, you'll fit, just like everyone. Just know that with no ability for philosophy and all it encompases, you are virtually no different from a robot. And in case you didnt realize, we've got harder working ones than you, who for a reasonably cheap price also don't bother shitposting in threads they feel shouldnt be there.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Keep proving me right by being a holier than thou homosexual that tries to deflect with irrelevant drivel, buzzwords and whatnot, lacking any self awareness btw. Doing my job for me.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You fricks always just namedrop a couple of scientists and philosophers and then point and say "look, le smart man agrees with me".

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not that guy, I'm a pneumatic, please tell me

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Nice to meet you, I’m a hydraulic myself

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >he isn't diesel-electric
            ngmi

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not to mention that Itzakh Bentov was a proficient inventor and man of science, but this is probably invalid to you since this doesnt align with your conception of reality. Must really suck for all men and women of science who previously also wrote on mysticism and spirituality, only to be attacked by modern days deboonker whose primary argument is "I don't care about semantic nonsenses". What a progressive attitude, really.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Reality contradicts the existence of any god.
          No, reality contradicts itself proving there must be a God.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            how so?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The universe couldn't have come from nothing and yet couldn't have always existed.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            what's the problem with something always existing?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Entropy.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How does you having an idea of entropy prevent something from always existing?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The universe can't have always existed because it is not in a state of maximum entropy. This means the universe had a beginning.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            how do you know that is true?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well we can always say that maybe we're wrong about the laws that govern reality, causality, entropy, conservation of energy, the speed of light, etc. But if you are willing to do that then you must also discard statements like "Reality contradicts the existence of any God".

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think you really understand those laws to begin with. For one, the "big bang" is merely the statement that by dialing back time far enough you reach a point where all the matter and energy is compressed into incrediblya dense state. You cannot go farther back in time to before whenever the supposed bang is to occur. There is no "something from nothing". Time as we know it is simply a part of the 4D spacetime we live in, and it is not absolute.

            What is south of the south pole? The question isn't very useful, because the globe does not extend any further south. What is "before" the big bang? It is the same question. Time is a property of our universe, and if the big bang were true it would not go farther back than that. In other words, all the matter and energy in the universe was always conserved, it simply has just been pushed around.

            It isn't the most satisfying answer, but it is necessary to understand these things in the proper way.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Do you agree that the big bang was the rapid expansion of spacetime?

            How can you have have time, without spacetime? How can you have entropy without time?
            How you know how this stuff works..

            Why does spacetime exist?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Did you realize the post about entropy was stupid?
            Please, I want a concession before we change topic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Do you agree that the big bang was the rapid expansion of spacetime?

            How can you have have time, without spacetime? How can you have entropy without time?
            How you know how this stuff works..

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            If you reversed the expansion of the universe, would spacetime shrink for infinity becoming smaller and smaller all the way to an infinitesimal point, or would it reach a smallest possible point and stop?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you asking me?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm challenging your claim.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The piece they carbon dated was from a corner that had been repaired after a fire
        No, that's just a story they made up
        why do you think they couldn't see this repair until after they got back a carbon dating results?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ahura Mazda

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        One that doesn't torture me forever, literally anything would be better at that point

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Just don't be an irredeemable piece of shit, it's not that hard

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, do I need to kneel to Yahweh?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You can be an irredeemable piece of shit towards your fellow humans while being a Christian, though. As long as you repent and accept Jesus the Christ as your lord and savior, literally everything, except denying him, is allowed.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but only if you're repentance is genuine and even then you must do penance for your sins

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            So?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ishtar

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Baal

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Atum and Osiris?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Christian God
      israeli god

      are you antisemite to hate the israeli god so much?

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a photo, it's more like an ink print

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    When they took a carbon dating of it at didn't like the result
    why did they make up a story about the sample being from a medieval restoration, instead of doing another carbon dating with a new sample?

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >photography
    It doesn't even looked realistic. It just looks like a painting. Look at how stylized the face and hands are.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty impressive how his hair wasn’t subject to gravity. Must have had amazing hair gel

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I thought the reason we didn't have physical evidence of the resurrection, was because God thought our free will to choose belief or not was so important
    and now you are telling me there is this irrefutable piece of evidence? WTF
    Guess I have no choice, but to become a Christian

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Evolution contradicts Christianity. If there's evolution then the world described in the Bible cannot be real.
    So if all those Christian miracles are real it's a really bizarre situation. The only explanation I can think of is that God wants to trick us to not believe in him just so he could torture us after death.
    I unironically don't understand how Christians think. No matter how I look at it I don't see any love in their God.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Something about the face looks cartoonish and unrealistic to me. Idk.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >it's a "Christian attempts to philosophize about physics" episode

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It looks like no cartoon or drawing I've ever seen.

    It looks like a human face.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Did Jesus suffer from Marfan's ?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Disjointed arms. Try the pose. Wrist over dick. Elbows separated from body. Crucifixion would do that to your arms.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I'm not talking about the joints here. Look at the hands and the total length of the body.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, if you’re some weird monster that looks like a stereotypical Gothic painting.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus did not have long hair lol, Paul Who lived during his time and was a israelite as well said that long hair was for women only

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >It looks like a human face.
      Maybe if you're some kind of alien with a super long face and no forehead.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He would've been very skinny and probably swollen from the beating and being pelted by the mob

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